Czech Republic vs Portugal

NIMAN

Good to see the best team win out.

Nuri Sahin

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

people got a bit carried away with messi display again brazil IMO.

This is for the Messi vs Ronaldo thread

But suffice to say that if I could be arsed to find the **** this thread, I'm outta of here gif, I'd have posted it after reading the above.

If Ronaldo had scored a hat trick vs Brazil friendly or not, there'd be a change of tune for sure from you undoubtedly.

Anyway, I'm just happy because I just won a ****load thanks to him

paulieeye

did ronaldo say "messi" into the camera when he scored??

CongoPowers

No. He said 'para ti'. People are obsessed

kryogen

paulieeye wrote: »

did ronaldo say "messi" into the camera when he scored??

Just why?

mufcboy1999

rarnes1 wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

What a player ronaldo is, always catches a bit of flak when he doesn't score while messi pretty much gets away it. Should be on a hat trick again.

Big difference in doing it in frendilys and on a competitive international stage, people got a bit carried away with messi display again brazil IMO.

Why do people need to criticise one of Ronaldo and Messi when praising one of them ? Pathetic

I never criticised messi at all buddy , I'm just saying my opinion which i think is clearly evident that messi seems to get away with having a bad game where as ronaldo doesn't !.

I also said people looked to much into his performance in a frendily game which IMO they did, never once bashed his game. I'm a fan of both of them, they are head and shoulders above everyone in football ATM.

If you would of watched rte tonight you'd know what I'm taking about, giles and dunphy were still critical of ronaldo even though he's put in a great display, they just can't imithe he's either as good as or not far behind messi.

The bottom line is ronaldo deserves so much more credit than he gets, he's done it all in England and Spain.

Mr. Rager

Whatever you wanna say about Ronaldo, you have to admit the guy is an amazing athlete, reminds me of Tiger Woods, LeBron James, Floyd Mayweather etc in this context.

Enjoyed that game.

monkey9

kryogen wrote: »

Just why?

In fairness, the fact he emphasised the importance of himself scoring the goal before acknowledging the relevance of his country going through to the next round says it all about the young man!

mufcboy1999

monkey9 wrote: »

kryogen wrote: »

Just why?

In fairness, the fact he emphasised the importance of himself scoring the goal before acknowledging the relevance of his country going through to the next round says it all about the young man!

You got to love that though, he's an entertainer , his personality on the pitch can be very humerous at times.

kryogen

monkey9 wrote: »

In fairness, the fact he emphasised the importance of himself scoring the goal before acknowledging the relevance of his country going through to the next round says it all about the young man!

How is that any way related to what I asked?

(btw, it does not "say it all about the man")

Jimmy Iovine

Mr. Rager wrote: »

Whatever you wanna say about Ronaldo, you have to admit the guy is an amazing athlete, reminds me of Tiger Woods, LeBron James, Floyd Mayweather etc in this context.

Enjoyed that game.

He's an absolute phenom in that respect. The perfect athlete. Tall, strong as an ox, lightening quick and can out jump everyone else on the pitch. The only other player that I could compare him to would be a younger Brazilian Ronaldo. He was a physical beast, possibly even more so than Cristiano. He had no luck with injuries. Cristiano has had a lot of luck, thankfully, and long may it continue.

I'm not a fan of his petulant side but he's a magical player to watch. He won't be around forever. I'd love to see him play live at the moment. I saw him 5/6 years ago with United. He was great then, and scored a spectacular goal that day, but he's gone to a different level now.

kryogen

Exactly, he will not be around forever and rather then constantly trying to find fault with these amazing players we should actually just be enjoying watching them do what they do best.

Seeing them in the flesh (Ronaldo, Messi, Vidic, Kompany etc) is a joy to behold and it is not something that will always be an option.

mufcboy1999

Messi v ronaldo aside pele thinks neymar is the best so who are we to doubt the great pele !

What Iv seen of neymar is pretty breath taking though, I must say.

BKC

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

What Iv seen of neymar is pretty breath taking though, I must say.

He's not on the same level as Ronaldo and Messi and I don't think he ever will be, as much as I like the kid.

shanered

Neymar still has a bit to do until he can be put in the same respect as ronaldo, even messi but especially pele, whether pele is a football critic to be repected , the jury is still out, but a good footballer he definitely was, maybe one of the best, but Neymar still gots a good bit to do!

kryogen

Pele talks an awful lot of **** to be perfectly honest.

Neymar is excellent, certainly something special already, but not in the same league as the other two yet, will he get there? my bet would be no, but who knows

mufcboy1999

I agree I don't think he's anywhere near the 2 boys level , I think if he moved to Europe we'd see what he's really about.

Is he not meant to be going to Madrid this summer ?

BKC

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I agree I don't think he's anywhere near the 2 boys level , I think if he moved to Europe we'd see what he's really about.

Is he not meant to be going to Madrid this summer ?

Pretty sure he has always maintained that he will stay with Santos until the 2014 World Cup.

kryogen

BKC wrote: »

Pretty sure he has always maintained that he will stay with Santos until the 2014 World Cup.

He keeps saying he is not moving till after the WC alright, both Barca and Madrid will be the two at the head of the queue, one week its Madrid the next its Barca, my guess is Madrid.

Jax Teller

I only caught the end up the analysis on Rte but it was embarrassing what they were saying out Ronaldo .

paulieeye

kryogen wrote: »

Just why?

Just why he said it?? not sure if he did say it but it looked like it. He had a cnutish look on his face too but maybe he just looks like that...you decide:

kryogen

paulieeye wrote: »

Just why he said it?? not sure if he did say it but it looked like it. He had a cnutish look on his face too but maybe he just looks like that...you decide:

So there are people out there who don't actually know what he said?

Wow!

Yeah he said, "para ti" which means for you.

people are actually obsessed to the point where it is possibly a problem

paulieeye

kryogen wrote: »

So there are people out there who don't actually know what he said?

Wow!

Yeah he said, "para ti" which means for you.

people are actually obsessed to the point where it is possibly a problem

yeah looks more like "para ti" alright. Suppose people are obsessed cus its a classic battle of good vs evil. Everybody loves to hate an asshole and this guy plays the role perfectly

kryogen

lol

Certain players just have that arrogance about them on the field, and imho it goes a long way to making them what they are, Cantona had it, Maradona had it, Zidane, Figo, Ibra etc. Ronaldo has it too.

His desire to be the best and to win spills out on the pitch in his emotions at times, and for me, it is a reason I would not have him as my captain just yet, but it is part of what makes him brilliant.

btw, the just why question I asked was in refernece to why someone was bringing Messi into it when this was nothing to do with him and there is now only one direction this thread will be headed

Orando Broom

kryogen wrote: »

So there are people out there who don't actually know what he said?

Wow!

Yeah he said, "para ti" which means for you.

people are actually obsessed to the point where it is possibly a problem

The celebrations are aimed at his son, no?

monkey9

kryogen wrote: »

How is that any way related to what I asked?

(btw, it does not "say it all about the man")

Says it all about the footballer so.

monkey9

kryogen wrote: »

Exactly, he will not be around forever and rather then constantly trying to find fault with these amazing players we should actually just be enjoying watching them do what they do best.

Seeing them in the flesh (Ronaldo, Messi, Vidic, Kompany etc) is a joy to behold and it is not something that will always be an option.

I can't enjoy watching Ronaldo though because of the way he conducts himself on the pitch and of what he comes across as.

Bad Panda

monkey9 wrote: »

I can't enjoy watching Ronaldo though because of the way he conducts himself on the pitch and of what he comes across as.

The holier than thou attitude that magically surfaces when Ronaldo's involved is astonishingly pathetic.

CongoPowers

To be fair to Paulie, a lot of people did think he said Messi to all the fans that have been winding him up lately. He has thrown the toys out of the pram a few times already, but I doubt he could ever take it that badly.

monkey9

Bad Panda wrote: »

The holier than thou attitude that magically surfaces when Ronaldo's involved is astonishingly pathetic.

Holier than thou, hey? I can't stand the bloke. Don't worry yourself about it.

paulieeye

kryogen wrote: »

lol

Certain players just have that arrogance about them on the field, and imho it goes a long way to making them what they are, Cantona had it, Maradona had it, Zidane, Figo, Ibra etc. Ronaldo has it too.

His desire to be the best and to win spills out on the pitch in his emotions at times, and for me, it is a reason I would not have him as my captain just yet, but it is part of what makes him brilliant.

btw, the just why question I asked was in refernece to why someone was bringing Messi into it when this was nothing to do with him and there is now only one direction this thread will be headed

i asked it in this thread cus it happened in the match so people would of seen it.

I love the rivalry between the 2 lads...its great having two players like that content for the title!

Mr Alan

kryogen wrote: »

Certain players just have that arrogance about them on the field, and imho it goes a long way to making them what they are, Cantona had it, Maradona had it, Zidane, Figo, Ibra etc. Ronaldo has it too.

There is a difference between being arrogant & being a petulant brat tbh. Ronaldo's attitude totally stinks at times, I don't get what the issue with people being able to admit that is?

Fans of his & clubs he plays for accept that because he is so good & that is totally fair enough, no issue whatsoever. But don't try pretend he behaves in the exact same way as other former greats. That's just not true. And don't constantly moan at people for pointing out how poor his attitude is at times. The way Ronaldo regularly behaves on the pitch, I've never seen from the likes of Cantona, Zidane or Figo. There is a difference between the way Ronaldo behaves & being somewhat arrogant.

kryogen

The hypocrisy when it comes to Ronaldo is what gets under my skin more so, if Messi has a petulant moment, its not focused on one bit, Ronaldo does, it gets shown on a highlight reel, I dont want to continue with this, all I want to say is the level of hypocrisy irritates me.

You will see fans defending their own players actions all they way, even when it is clear the actions are wrong, yet they get offended by the antics of Ronaldo?

PhlegmyMoses

Mr Alan wrote: »

There is a difference between being arrogant & being a petulant brat tbh. Ronaldo's attitude totally stinks at times, I don't get what the issue with people being able to admit that is?

Fans of his & clubs he plays for accept that because he is so good & that is totally fair enough, no issue whatsoever. But don't try pretend he behaves in the exact same way as other former greats. That's just not true. And don't constantly moan at people for pointing out how poor his attitude is at times. The way Ronaldo regularly behaves on the pitch, I've never seen from the likes of Cantona, Zidane or Figo. There is a difference between the way Ronaldo behaves & being somewhat arrogant.

Yeah, Cantona and Zidane just physically assaulted other people. Not petulant at all. And Figo joined his club's fiercest rivals.

Orando Broom

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Yeah, Cantona and Zidane just physically assaulted other people. Not petulant at all. And Figo joined his club's fiercest rivals.

Garrincha would have rode a sick hen. Fathered the population of Bolivia.

Cryuff - wore two stripes instead of three the brazen pup!

Maradona snorted enough coke to keep a Santa's Kingdom white.

Pele - Shilled his life away

Zidane - Did not use his head/ used his head

Cantona - Cantonaesque

Messi....eeeeeem... He got a girl pregnant and they're NOT married:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

None of them are perfect.

Orando Broom

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Yeah, Cantona and Zidane just physically assaulted other people. Not petulant at all. And Figo joined his club's fiercest rivals.

And had dandruff.

sReq | uTeK

I'm a united fan, I'd have to say that Messi is unreal, but they're two very different player, in every aspect of their game bar the goals they rack up.

I don't see why people can't just appreciate that we have two of the greatest players on the earth pushing each other week in week out , something that's not happened in a very long time.

It is annoying to hear pundits bash Ronnie and turn a blind eye to Messi when he has a bad game (Chelsea in the semi final) springs to mind but, Ronaldo is who he is and acting this way seems to have worked for him thus far as with Messi, I wouldn't want them to change what would be the point, football is full of dull people churning in solid performances week in week out, I for one love a bit of flamboyancy

monkey9

kryogen wrote: »

The hypocrisy when it comes to Ronaldo is what gets under my skin more so, if Messi has a petulant moment, its not focused on one bit, Ronaldo does, it gets shown on a highlight reel, I dont want to continue with this, all I want to say is the level of hypocrisy irritates me.

You will see fans defending their own players actions all they way, even when it is clear the actions are wrong, yet they get offended by the antics of Ronaldo?

Look, yourself like other Utd fans will defend him, fair enough. But he's completely unlikeable and everything has to be about him!

He's not liked! As i said before, don't worry about it. You can continue to enjoy him all you like.

kryogen

monkey9 wrote: »

Look, yourself like other Utd fans will defend him, fair enough. But he's completely unlikeable and everything has to be about him!

He's not liked! As i said before, don't worry about it. You can continue to enjoy him all you like.

I don't worry, it is just the hypocrisy that bugs me, whether I suport United or not has no bearing on this, I dont want to get into all this stuff becasue it will just drag up stuff from the past that I have no desire to drag up again.

Lots of players are completely unlikeable but dont get as much stick, its the success breeds contempt thing I guess

monkey9

kryogen wrote: »

I don't worry, it is just the hypocrisy that bugs me, whether I suport United or not has no bearing on this, I dont want to get into all this stuff becasue it will just drag up stuff from the past that I have no desire to drag up again.

Lots of players are completely unlikeable but dont get as much stick, its the success breeds contempt thing I guess

The hypocrisy of what?

kryogen

monkey9 wrote: »

The hypocrisy of what?

Read my other posts, I really will struggle against dragging up old off topic stuff

Some day when Im in bad form maybe ok?

Hank Scorpio

Didn't Ronaldo play for United? Oh I see

monkey9

nuxxx wrote: »

Didn't Ronaldo play for United? Oh I see

Yeah he did!

monkey9

kryogen wrote: »

The hypocrisy when it comes to Ronaldo is what gets under my skin more so, if Messi has a petulant moment, its not focused on one bit, Ronaldo does, it gets shown on a highlight reel, I dont want to continue with this, all I want to say is the level of hypocrisy irritates me.

You will see fans defending their own players actions all they way, even when it is clear the actions are wrong, yet they get offended by the antics of Ronaldo?

Every player has petulent moments. But the reasons Ronaldo is hated happens in pretty much every game he plays in.

Orando Broom

monkey9 wrote: »

Look, yourself like other Utd fans will defend him, fair enough. But he's completely unlikeable and everything has to be about him!

He's not liked! As i said before, don't worry about it. You can continue to enjoy him all you like.

His mother has come out in the Portuguese papers saying she does like him. A lot.

kryogen

monkey9 wrote: »

Every player has petulent moments. But the reasons Ronaldo is hated happens in pretty much every game he plays in.

Its your opinion and its fair enouugh, Im not trying to change your opinion bud

Adolf Hipster

monkey9 wrote: »

kryogen wrote: »

Exactly, he will not be around forever and rather then constantly trying to find fault with these amazing players we should actually just be enjoying watching them do what they do best.

Seeing them in the flesh (Ronaldo, Messi, Vidic, Kompany etc) is a joy to behold and it is not something that will always be an option.

I can't enjoy watching Ronaldo though because of the way he conducts himself on the pitch and of what he comes across as.

Yet I'm sure you can enjoy Suarez, despite him conducting himself much worse?

kryogen

Adolf Hipster wrote: »

Yet I'm sure you can enjoy Suarez, despite him conducting himself much worse?

You having a pop at me or monkey?

If me, then you misread my post maybe?

If monkey, then thats a perfect example of the hypcrisy I was talking about and a great example of some of the stuff I wouldnt want to drag up now

monkey9

Suarez hasn't played in the Euros and hasn't played in the Champions League since he signed for Liverpool so RTE haven't had a chance to give their highlights reel about him. But the lad gets plenty of stick!

And as for the Liverpool/Utd thing, Drogba has played for neither and he still gets plenty of stick as well.

kryogen

monkey9 wrote: »

Suarez hasn't played in the Euros and hasn't played in the Champions League since he signed for Liverpool so RTE haven't had a chance to give their highlights reel about him. But the lad gets plenty of stick!

And as for the Liverpool/Utd thing, Drogba has played for neither and he still gets plenty of stick as well.

Not really the issue though is it? Certainly not the type of thing I was referring to. I dont care about Rte hypocrisy as much as fan hypocrisy and faux outrage

And just for the record, I love Drogba, think he is a beast.