Halal Butcher

Zagato

Hi was just wondering if anyone knew of a Halal Butcher in Drogheda?
Cheers

positron

The ethnic shop north of the hospital (Crushford Avenue according to google maps) might do halal meat.

PS: Halal meat as it's unnecessarily cruel to animals. Why not try normal meat?

Carra23

positron wrote: »

The ethnic shop north of the hospital (Crushford Avenue according to google maps) might do halal meat.

PS: Halal meat as it's unnecessarily cruel to animals. Why not try normal meat?

What do you know about Halal meat ? and I'd love to know how to kill any animal with out it being a cruel act, especially when the animal is killed just so you can eat it ! ! !

Mr Magnolia

Carra23 wrote: »

What do you know about Halal meat ? and I'd love to know how to kill any animal with out it being a cruel act, especially when the animal is killed just so you can eat it ! ! !

What do you know of halal meat? How does the dispatching of an halal animal differ to a standard slaughter?

Carra23

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

What do you know of halal meat? How does the dispatching of an halal animal differ to a standard slaughter?

I probably don't know much more than you do but I know that the animal's throat is cut and they are left to hang and bleed to death.

I respect everyones beliefs and cultures, there is no right or wrong unless you are the perfect being.

I replied to positron who said ' why not try normal meat '

What is normal meat ?

Do you eat chicken, beef, pork, fish ? Do you know how every piece of meat you eat is killed ? I doubt it.

I watched a documentary before and cannot remember the name but if I do I will post the link for you. One of the main points of the docemnetary was that if the average human being who eats meat on a regular basis, had to catch and slaughter all of the meat that they eat, a high percentage of us would be vegetarian !

I believe its true because I love chicken, especially KFC but I could not and would not catch a live chicken, break its neck and then proceed to pluck all its feathers, cut its internal organs out, chop it into legs, wings, drums, breast etc, season it and throw it in the oven.

So what is normal meat ?

positron

Carra23, I respect your opinion, but you may have missed a crucial point in my comment - I said halal meat is 'unnecessarily cruel', and by 'normal meat', I mean non-halal meat, butchered according to the normal butchering methods here in Western Europe.

I am no expert, but I understand that the 'bolt' type thing that's used to knock down and kill larger animals are supposedly very instantaneous, and quicker than the halal method - in which the butcher slits the animals jugular vein and hang the animals upside down for it to bleed to death. There's an argument that cutting the jugular and sudden blood loss causes the animal to faint or feel no pain etc - but I find it hard to believe that argument since I have seen a large number of truly horribly gut-wrenching videos of what happens when the jugular is slit.

And as far as I know, the whole reasoning for halal meat is religious and has no proven scientific benefit. Blood is not somehow poisonous, especially for a meat eater. There are also other ways to drain blood after the animal is dead too. So, over all I feel halal meat is more cruel than non-halal meat.

PS: I agree with you that all meat is cruel - (unless it's the lab grown variety, which I hope becomes commercialized real soon).

Carra23

Positron that's all fine I respect your views but I think its unfair to judge anothers culture especially when our own is far from perfect.

Just thinking of two dishes off the top of my head, lobster and foi gras. You probably haven't tried them but I have and love them both and they are extremely popular in the west.

As far as I know lobster is cooked alive, either boiled or steamed ! I'd have my throat cut over that any day. And to produce foi gras, geese are force fed through a tube so that their livers expand at an unnatural rate.

I'm sure there are many more inhumane and disturbing methods for cooking or producing food that are used in the western world, that could be considered worse than halal.

I feel that aslong as an animal is not tortured like the poor lobsters are ! then any method for slaughter is fair game because at the end of the day the result is the same, the animal dies and you eat it !

Onesimus

positron wrote: »

The ethnic shop north of the hospital (Crushford Avenue according to google maps) might do halal meat.

PS: Halal meat as it's unnecessarily cruel to animals. Why not try normal meat?

The poster asked a simple question. He was not looking for your off topic philosophical questions/opinions on his choice of desired meat.

positron

Onesimus wrote: »

The poster asked a simple question. He was not looking for your off topic philosophical questions/opinions on his choice of desired meat.

I answered his simple question (which is more than what you have done :rolleyes: ) and 'PS'ed my opinion which is an alternate option. If OP has a problem with it, he/she can speak up, and I can respond.

Onesimus

I answered his simple question

I never said you did not answer his question

and 'PS'ed my opinion which is an alternate option.

Exactly what he wasn't asking for.

Zagato

Well I was just trying to get some Halal meat that guests I was entertaining over the weekend would be comfortable eating. I appreciate the reply.

I would point out that non-halal methods of killing animals are not necessarily that nice either. The main problem however is that over the last 50yrs, animals being killed for meat has become more and more distant from the consumer, and consumers want to be less and less associated with it.

This then makes us less accepting of the methods used to kill animals.

I have seen a wide number of species of animals killed for food, and it is never particularly pleasant for the animal (but obviously that's me speaking as a human, and we tend to place human emotions on these things)

Anyways, long story short I respect the fact that certain religions have a specific practice for obtaining their meat, and I don't believe it involves a significantly worse experience for the animal, in fact there is a requirement for the animal to be shown a great deal of respect in the process.

MugMugs

Onesimus wrote: »

Exactly what he wasn't asking for.

This is a discussion board where we tend to discuss topics. Funny that, isn't it?

DagneyTaggart

The halal method is immediate once done by someone trained in that procedure.

'Normal' meat is also immediate. I would also add that pain is not the issue; the fact that it is an 'unnatural' death, is what the general public find repugnant.

But no, I'm not aware of any butcher that specialises in Halal meat.

Lord TSC

the fact that it is an 'unnatural' death, is what the general public find repugnant.

Tbh, I don't like the use of the word "unnatural', since it's not like others only eat the meat of animals who die of old age. :rolleyes:

Zagato

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Tbh, I don't like the use of the word "unnatural', since it's not like others only eat the meat of animals who die of old age. :rolleyes:

I agree, we're not vultures

positron

Carra23 wrote: »

As far as I know lobster is cooked alive, either boiled or steamed ! I'd have my throat cut over that any day. And to produce foi gras, geese are force fed through a tube so that their livers expand at an unnatural rate.

Sounds awful alright, just as well I can't afford fancy food, and after reading this I wouldn't go for it even if someone else is buying. However, one act of cruelty is no justification of another act of cruelty - so halal butchering should be looked at own it's own.

Carra23 wrote: »

I respect everyones beliefs and cultures, there is no right or wrong unless you are the perfect being.

What if I proclaim my pagan routes and that every animals must be chased for hours and killed with spears and stones - since that's our true tradition (we did that millions of years in the wild). I would hope you wouldn't just put up with it because it's my belief / culture or whatever. Sorry about the cheeky example, but my point is that respect for a different religion / tradition should never come in the way of challenging the logic and practicality of their practices. I challenge, with a lot of respect!

Carra23 wrote: »

One of the main points of the docemnetary was that if the average human being who eats meat on a regular basis, had to catch and slaughter all of the meat that they eat, a high percentage of us would be vegetarian !

And a carnivorous friend of mine once told me that if every vegetarian out there had to go out and make their own potatoes, cabbages and bananas, most of them would turn non-vegetarian! Which is true when you think about it. (I personally prefer vegetarian food myself, and would only eat meat to not to be anti-social, and generally avoid fish altogether).

DagneyTaggart wrote: »

The halal method is immediate once done by someone trained in that procedure.

I was surprised Carra23 and others didn't bring up this point. I did some googling and read some research paper, stating halal slaughter, although less appealing to the eye, is the kinder way to kill animals, compared to the bolt or electric shock methods etc. But in this world of consumerism, lobbyists and huge commercial entities funding universities and what not, I am not sure if I should trust my eyes, or if I should trust some ECG charts.

Zagato wrote: »

I agree, we're not vultures

True that, we are much worse!

Zagato

positron wrote: »

or if I should trust some ECG charts.

I reckon EEG might be the one to look at and even then it's difficult to know how reliable that would even be.

cavanman112

Halal butcher on Crushford Avenue in Drogheda or you could try the Halal store on Clanbrassil Dundalk as they also have a Halal butcher. Both shops carry beef, lamb and chicken all Halal.