Saturday 23rd (final Ascot dart throws)

Colonel Sanders

Shane732 wrote: »

Did you just hear Carson - there's a horse in Newmarket who won't be that worried.

I'd love to shoot that man.

I'm watching ATR

Gave up on BBC a LONG time ago

DDC1990

No wonder so many jockeys are alcoholics at some stage of their careers. Just look at the reaction to a mistake by the jockey.
They must be under so much pressure, there was millions riding on that race.

I feel really sorry for him tbh! 22 straight wins. He's been on board for most of them, but still gets so much stick.

I know he made a huge mistake, but he's won a huge race, and still can't enjoy it.

wonderfullife

Shane732 wrote: »

Did you just hear Carson - there's a horse in Newmarket who won't be that worried.

I'd love to shoot that man.

he's right though Frankel would have blitzed her on that showing, even allowing for the jockey and not pushing her out she never had the race put to bed at any stage. Even the time was distinctly average on the ground nearly 2 seconds outside the record compared to Frankel getting 0.4 seconds from the track record same ground.

Shane732

DDC1990 wrote: »

No wonder so many jockeys are alcoholics at some stage of their careers. Just look at the reaction to a mistake by the jockey.
They must be under so much pressure, there was millions riding on that race.

I feel really sorry for him tbh! 22 straight wins. He's been on board for most of them, but still gets so much stick.

I know he made a huge mistake, but he's won a huge race, and still can't enjoy it.

And rightly so. There was no reason not to give her a proper race today and for him to make such a stupid mistake is appalling.

If she's going to Hong Kong or Japan she has until the 30th Sept at a minimum to recover. Why didn't they open her up?

Panrich

I'm not sure that there was too much left in the locker at the end. He probably felt her tiring and was just trying to keep her balanced and going forward. The jockey will get a lot of abuse for his ride but she certainly didn't enhance her stellar reputation today either. Preparations may not have gone perfectly with all the travelling.

HigginsJ

Panrich wrote: »

Preparations may not have gone perfectly with all the travelling.

Ah no

Rte.ie quote

The trainer is to touch down in Britain fairly shortly with a week and a half to go until Black Caviar's date with destiny.
"Tony (Hayden, assistant) is very pleased with her and said her general well-being is unbelievable," Moody told RSN's Racing Ahead podcast.
"She's bouncing out of her skin and he said to me please get over here quick-smart and start doing a bit more work with the horse.
"I'd rather it be that way than him saying we're struggling and I'm not happy with her.
"There's a beautiful artificial track called the Al Bahathri that is about nine furlongs, a slight dogleg track that goes up the middle of the grass gallops.
"You could even gallop on it but I'm anticipating on Saturday that if I'm as happy with her condition as the boys are reporting that she'll probably go a bit of evens on that.
"Then probably next Tuesday she would have a gallop on the grass. If I think she needs a bit more, then she can have a working gallop on the artificial on Saturday leading into a gallop on the grass on Tuesday."

Shane732

Not running in the July Cup.

TheMilkyPirate

Black caviar to go into quarantine and go straight back to Australia.

Panrich

HigginsJ wrote: »

Ah no

Rte.ie quote

The trainer is to touch down in Britain fairly shortly with a week and a half to go until Black Caviar's date with destiny.
"Tony (Hayden, assistant) is very pleased with her and said her general well-being is unbelievable," Moody told RSN's Racing Ahead podcast.
"She's bouncing out of her skin and he said to me please get over here quick-smart and start doing a bit more work with the horse.
"I'd rather it be that way than him saying we're struggling and I'm not happy with her.
"There's a beautiful artificial track called the Al Bahathri that is about nine furlongs, a slight dogleg track that goes up the middle of the grass gallops.
"You could even gallop on it but I'm anticipating on Saturday that if I'm as happy with her condition as the boys are reporting that she'll probably go a bit of evens on that.
"Then probably next Tuesday she would have a gallop on the grass. If I think she needs a bit more, then she can have a working gallop on the artificial on Saturday leading into a gallop on the grass on Tuesday."

They're like babies though. They can't tell you if they are in good form or not. Travelling that distance and unfamiliar surroundings may have had an effect on the wellbeing of the horse that didn't show up in any blood test or piece of work.

Shane732

Jesus the boards.ie money is seriously pushing Maarek in!

HigginsJ

baraca wrote: »

Black caviar to go into quarantine and go straight back to Australia.

She didnt really leave a lasting impression, thank god for Frankel.

Shane732

Talking about retiring her now.....

MoscowFlyer

Colonel Mak is my pick

Shane732

Ahhh.... he didn't get the place!

3ndahalfof6

Would BA of won by much more if it had not been eased down? and does it mean that what she was running against at home might not be all that?

no she is a top animal, under ten seconds for a furlong, massive stride, 22 wins out of 22

the jokey jockey should be shot with balls of BAs sheit.

ArmaniJeanss

Shane732 wrote: »

Talking about retiring her now.....

Pity, her v Bullet Train would have been an interesting match-up.

MoscowFlyer

Would love to see Overturn win this, such a fun horse.

Have a few quid on American Trilogy E/W

andyman

Simenon looks like a great horse! Well done to Ryan Moore as well.

mdwexford

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Did she actually have that much in hand at the end (even allowing for the jockey easing her)

I feel somewhat underwhelmed tbh.....

Was tempted to lay her small at under 1.2 but when I opened Betfair she was 1.26

Me too.

Didn't look to have much of a turn of foot, didn't look all that to me.

UrbanSea

mdwexford wrote: »

Me too.

Didn't look to have much of a turn of foot, didn't look all that to me.

I was really disappointed. I thought about 2 out when she went to kick from Soul that she would have bolted. It took her an eternity to get from him, there was no superstar acceleration there.

mr.jingle

A little bit disappointed but with the ground the way it was i'm not suprised. She never was one to trounce the fields or be pushed right out and Nolen got lucky. Job done 22 out of 22 and back home now. Think Frankel may have made the hype of this horse become even greater and people expected a 10 length hammering of the field that was nothing more than a dream

Shane732

Who finished top trainer?

If Willie had run Simenon another couple of times he would have been in with a good shout!

UrbanSea

Shane732 wrote: »

Who finished top trainer?

If Willie had run Simenon another couple of times he would have been in with a good shout!

He should have ran him in the Golden Jubilee, think he could have won it

mr.jingle

Shane732 wrote: »

Who finished top trainer?

If Willie had run Simenon another couple of times he would have been in with a good shout!

I'd imagine John Gosden he'd a few winners all i know is Ryan Moore won the jockey title after winning the last and Buick finishing 4th if he was 3rd he might have won it on countback

RichieLawlor

2nd year in a row that Moore stole the top jockey prize in the very last race

barney4001

and some bookies were laying by how far Black Cavair would win they must have cleaned up

RichieLawlor

barney4001 wrote: »

and some bookies were laying by how far Black Cavair would win they must have cleaned up

She won. And the most popular distance was under 3 lengths.

hucklebuck

I think it just Aussies getting carried away again, she is a very good horse, I remember hearing so much about So You Think and that hasn't panned out as well as it sounded like it was going to.

I don't know what to make of it, she never looked like scooting away from them but the jockey did not look in a proper drive and then dropping his hands when he did was criminal.

Simenon was class again.

tryfix

Black Caviar was an unbelievable let down. A 132 rated horse only beating 118 and 110 rated horses by a nose and a neck. The Aussie sprinters are usually well on top of the Europeans and she's supposed to be the best they've had. Even if the Jockey had pushed her out she'd have been hard pushed to win by 1 1/2 lengths.

Her reputation has been badly damaged by this race.

mr.jingle

tryfix wrote: »

Black Caviar was an unbelievable let down. A 132 rated horse only beating 118 and 110 rated horses by a nose and a neck. The Aussie sprinters are usually well on top of the Europeans and she's supposed to be the best they've had. Even if the Jockey had pushed her out she'd have been hard pushed to win by 1 1/2 lengths.

Her reputation has been badly damaged by this race.

Only over here by some people, back home in Oz she'll be lauded more than ever now

mdwexford

Meh, I dont watch many flat races and today I expected to see a superstar doing a demolition job, it didnt happen.

wonderfullife

hucklebuck wrote: »

I think it just Aussies getting carried away again, she is a very good horse, I remember hearing so much about So You Think and that hasn't panned out as well as it sounded like it was going to.

I don't know what to make of it, she never looked like scooting away from them but the jockey did not look in a proper drive and then dropping his hands when he did was criminal.

Simenon was class again.

He's just so used to beating everything back home on the bridle on flat tracks, never even dawned on him a stiff 6f against better opposition he might need to push him to the line. Over-confidence and arrogance.

bellybuster12

tryfix wrote: »

Black Caviar was an unbelievable let down. A 132 rated horse only beating 118 and 110 rated horses by a nose and a neck. The Aussie sprinters are usually well on top of the Europeans and she's supposed to be the best they've had. Even if the Jockey had pushed her out she'd have been hard pushed to win by 1 1/2 lengths.

Her reputation has been badly damaged by this race.

Agree with this,

Also if society rock had not have totally blown the start(costing him several lenghts) would have dare i say it beaten Black caviar imho.

andyman

Fact of the matter is, she won today without showing much at all. Anyone who suggests that there was more to it than Luke Nolen's idiocy is lying to themselves. Nolen sat up towards the end thinking he had it won, then had to shake her up again when he realised this wasn't the case.

I believe she's a super horse. All the stats about her suggest that she is a top animal. If Frankel was to produce a poor showing tomorrow, he'd still be a super horse. Black Caviar is no different.

RichieLawlor

Kinda reminds me of Frankels St James Palace win, we were all left wondering after that hound of Aidan O Briens nearly mugged him.

First time out of her home country, all the travelling, a stiffer track than she's used too. I'll forgive her. Just glad she won

tryfix

hucklebuck wrote: »

I think it just Aussies getting carried away again, she is a very good horse, I remember hearing so much about So You Think and that hasn't panned out as well as it sounded like it was going to.

I don't know what to make of it, she never looked like scooting away from them but the jockey did not look in a proper drive and then dropping his hands when he did was criminal.

Simenon was class again.

Forget the hype, So You Think has run to his Aussie rating of 126, + or - 1lb most times with O'Brien. The only times he's run below form is when he's run on Dirt in the BC and the Dubai WC.

Black Caviar has run nearly a stone below her rating, she may have had another pound or two in reserve. Whether it was the track, the going, or she was just having an off day it was still a sub 120 performance.

Before Ascot there was a very slight doubt as to whether Frankel was better than her, after Ascot all doubt has been removed

barney4001

mdwexford wrote: »

Meh, I dont watch many flat races and today I expected to see a superstar doing a demolition job, it didnt happen.

seems horse and jock had am off day maybe im sure the guy who had 100k at 1/5 had dirty underwear going to the line

andyman

tryfix wrote: »

Forget the hype, So You Think has run to his Aussie rating of 126, + or - 1lb most times with O'Brien. The only times he's run below form is when he's run on Dirt in the BC and the Dubai WC.

Black Caviar has run nearly a stone below her rating, she may have had another pound or two in reserve. Whether it was the track, the going, or she was just having an off day it was still a sub 120 performance.

Before Ascot there was a very slight doubt as to whether Frankel was better than her, after Ascot all doubt has been removed

I think anyone to base their opinion on Black Caviar on one performence is being ridiculous, but that's only my opinion.

aidan24326

tryfix wrote: »

Before Ascot there was a very slight doubt as to whether Frankel was better than her, after Ascot all doubt has been removed

To be fair though Frankel didn't have to travel 10,000 miles for his race.

People seriously underestimate the effect that can have on the horse. Travelling to the other side of the world, different air, different surroundings, different weather etc etc. A horse is an animal not a machine. And she still won the race and would likely have won it a shade more comfortably had the jockey not had a brain fart. While clearly not at her best.

I think people were expecting a Frankel-esque performance and it didn't happen so I can understand that there was an air of disappointment, and yes Frankel is likely the better horse but he's a freak of a horse really, running 5F fractional times through a mile.