Leinster SHF – Galway v Kilkenny

RealityCheck

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Take a look at this map...I think it backs up what I said.....

http://www.gaainfo.com/countymap.php?co=galway

Moycullen are west of Galway City and are senior.

Teams like Michael Breathnach's are making great progress in Junior.

By in large your point holds though.

Bridan

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Take a look at this map...I think it backs up what I said.....not one hurling club west of Galway city.

http://www.gaainfo.com/countymap.php?co=galway

Go and have a look at cork, limerick, offaly, clare, antrim, kildare, tipperary, or almost every other county... and show me how they are different to galway in terms of what you are saying!

RealityCheck

Bridan wrote: »

Go and have a look at cork, limerick, offaly, clare, antrim, kildare, tipperary, or almost every other county... and show me how they are different to galway in terms of what you are saying!

He explicitly stated that they aren't any different by in large.

Bridan

RealityCheck wrote: »

He explicitly stated that they aren't any different by in large.

Fair enough...

cgc5483

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Just spotted this.....

Now the interesting thing for me is that its not really a Galway county team that plays, its a bunch of towns that are not too far from the Tipp border.....Portumna, Athenry, Loughrea.....(correct me if I'm wrong)....

So you are as unlikely to get a decent hurling team out of Mayo or Sligo as you are to get a Galway hurling team made up of lads from Connemara.

Same goes everywhere you look....Hurling is played to a high level within a 100 mile radius of Thurles and nowhere else, with the honorable exception of Glens of Antrim. Its not really played much in any coastal areas in the West, or in any Galetachts......which I always found interesting given its image as the essence of Irish sport.

(I might be way out there, correct me if I am).

RealityCheck wrote: »

Moycullen are west of Galway City and are senior.

Teams like Michael Breathnach's are making great progress in Junior.

By in large your point holds though.

Football not hurling

aidan24326

What he said is not far wrong. Galway has always been a bit divided in terms of football and hurling, geographically at least. I'm from the football part of the county and I don't think anyone from my area has ever played for the county hurling team.

RealityCheck

cgc5483 wrote: »

Football not hurling

Come again?

Bridan

aidan24326 wrote: »

What he said is not far wrong. Galway has always been a bit divided in terms of football and hurling, geographically at least. I'm from the football part of the county and I don't think anyone from my area has ever played for the county hurling team.

Yes, but to say that "it's not really a Galway county team that plays" because only part of the county plays hurling is wrong... this is the same in most counties.

Tombo2001

aidan24326 wrote: »

What he said is not far wrong. Galway has always been a bit divided in terms of football and hurling, geographically at least. I'm from the football part of the county and I don't think anyone from my area has ever played for the county hurling team.

My point was that its wishful thinking to think that you'll ever get a healthy Connacht championship in hurling......just as you wont get the likes of Cavan or Down or Louth playing the game to a high level ....you wont get it in Mayo or Leitrim either.

Hurling is for the most part played in just one part of ireland....and that is broadly speaking the midlands south of Athlone.....if you drew a line from Galway city to Dublin, and then from Cork city to Wexford, in between those two lines you've got most of the hurling in Ireland, or 90% of it.

RealityCheck

Bridan wrote: »

Yes, but to say that "it's not really a Galway county team that plays" because only part of the county plays hurling is wrong... this is the same in most counties.

The point still stands. Because its the same or different elsewhere is irrelevant.

Sir Graball

Well done to Galway they made a bit of history yesterday! They played with far more intent and purpose especially by deploying Canning as a lone forward in order to contain Kilkenny in the second half. Hopefully this is not their all ireland as has been the case before and they can take it a step further!
Numerous theories will be advanced about what went wrong with the cats. But basically Galway out hurled and out muscled em all over the pitch. The mid field apart from Rice were out of their depth and Fennelly's loss was obvious. Their first touch was woeful and the likes of Sheffs, Richie and Larkin were struggling throughout the game.
Galway didn't drop balls down on the KK half back line but instead won midfield and played quick ball to great advantage. Even JJ wouldn't have made a big impact. They won little or no first time ball and breaking ball was scooped up by a Galway lad standing off his man. KK marking was terrible also. They just lost their shape and were chasing the game from the start. Galway targetted PAddy Hogan and Killian Buckley ( whos still U21) and their lack of experience was evident. You could argue Cody was slow to make changes and maybe Bergin should have been brought on for Reid instead of Forgarty.
Where to now? Well we'll possiblly have to beat (depending on how their respective games turn out) Tipp and Cork to get another crack at GAlway. But if they play like yesterday I'd be concerned. Still they owe us nothing !
Can they regroup? Of course they can! We're not the great team we are by lying under a defeat despite the margin yesterday!!

Again congrats to GAlway !!!

RealityCheck

Tombo2001 wrote: »

My point was that its wishful thinking to think that you'll ever get a healthy Connacht championship in hurling......just as you wont get the likes of Cavan or Down or Louth playing the game to a high level ....you wont get it in Mayo or Leitrim either.

Hurling is for the most part played in just one part of ireland....and that is broadly speaking the midlands south of Athlone.....if you drew a line from Galway city to Dublin, and then from Cork city to Wexford, in between those two lines you've got most of the hurling in Ireland, or 90% of it.

The question then becomes how do you strengthen it elsewhere? A question for a separate thread I think.

road_high

Sir Graball wrote: »

Well done to Galway they made a bit of history yesterday! They played with far more intent and purpose especially by deploying Canning as a lone forward in order to contain Kilkenny in the second half. Hopefully this is not their all ireland as has been the case before and they can take it a step further!
Numerous theories will be advanced about what went wrong with the cats. But basically Galway out hurled and out muscled em all over the pitch. The mid field apart from Rice were out of their depth and Fennelly's loss was obvious. Their first touch was woeful and the likes of Sheffs, Richie and Larkin were struggling throughout the game.
Galway didn't drop balls down on the KK half back line but instead won midfield and played quick ball to great advantage. Even JJ wouldn't have made a big impact. They won little or no first time ball and breaking ball was scooped up by a Galway lad standing off his man. KK marking was terrible also. They just lost their shape and were chasing the game from the start. Galway targetted PAddy Hogan and Killian Buckley ( whos still U21) and their lack of experience was evident. You could argue Cody was slow to make changes and maybe Bergin should have been brought on for Reid instead of Forgarty.
Where to now? Well we'll possiblly have to beat (depending on how their respective games turn out) Tipp and Cork to get another crack at GAlway. But if they play like yesterday I'd be concerned. Still they owe us nothing !
Can they regroup? Of course they can! We're not the great team we are by lying under a defeat despite the margin yesterday!!

Again congrats to GAlway !!!

Well said, spoken like a true Kilkenny sportsman

Tombo2001

RealityCheck wrote: »

The question then becomes how do you strengthen it elsewhere? A question for a separate thread I think.

This map is interesting.....

Looking at this, I really dont see how you strengthen it elsewhere.....
http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://www.gaainfo.com/articles/gaa_clubs_mini.png&imgrefurl=http://www.gaainfo.com/articles/gaaclubs.php&usg=__Mph0Ou-ls9amcpzuWL6XHQhUEoo=&h=783&w=626&sz=578&hl=en&start=1&zoom=1&tbnid=qXvTAG3Dpp2wJM:&tbnh=143&tbnw=114&ei=8-P6T-H2BoaN8gOCpr22Bw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgaa%2Bhurling%2Bclub%2Bmap%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1

InchicoreDude

A fantastic display by Galway. I didnt fancy them at all yesterday and havent been impressed with Cunningham so far this year; Galway in general have underwhelmed me.

But yesterday's first half was an abasolutely awesome display of hurling. I don't think it was a case of Kilkenny being bad yesterday, it was more a case of Galway being brilliant. It was very near to a perfect half of hurling. When they had the ball, they didnt waste it. When they didnt have the ball, they worked & worked to win it back. I cannot see Galway getting to that standard again [because they were so good]. But they have to put in a good semi-final now, they have to back up this leinster title with a good semi final performance.

Stand out players for me were Regan (Although he did make costly mistakes), Coen (My motm), Smith, D. Burke, Donnellan & Canning.

calvin_zola

what kind of a break do galway have now, 6 weeks?

cgpg5

calvin_zola wrote: »

what kind of a break do galway have now, 6 weeks?

About that, in which time their semi final opponents will have played another big game at least

Bridan

I think it's about 4 weeks

Clareman

Galway are up next on the 12th of August

calvin_zola

cgpg5 wrote: »

About that, in which time their semi final opponents will have played another big game at least

Bridan wrote: »

I think it's about 4 weeks

cool, hopefully they stay sharp

Lapin

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Just spotted this.....

Now the interesting thing for me is that its not really a Galway county team that plays, its a bunch of towns that are not too far from the Tipp border.....Portumna, Athenry, Loughrea.....(correct me if I'm wrong)....

Interesting.

While Hurling in Galway is indeed concentrated in the south and east of the county, I wouldn't use a geograghical proximity to Tipperary as a reason for its popularity here. Perhaps being closer to Munster and Leinster would be more accurate.

After all, last years club champions, Clarinbridge along with Gort, Kinvara, Ballinderreen and a few others are closer to Clare. While Kiltormer, Mullagh, and Meelick/Eyrecourt are closer to Offaly in Leinster.

But then, Athenry, Sarsfields, Rahoon/Newcastle and others are all a relatively good distance from any other bordering county.

As the map shows, there is a clear geographic difference in interest between hurling and football in the county. So much so, that growing up here, I know many people who follow the counties hurlers everywhere but have no interest whatsoever in the footballers (and vice versa).

I support both myself but prefer hurling as a sport.

The division between Hurling and Football in Galway is so marked, that uniquely, we are the only county with different jersys, county crests, sponsors, and county boards for both codes. The hurlers always wear a darker shade of maroon than the footballers. I like the fact that both codes are independent of each other.

Hurling Jersey

Football Jersey

MrJoeSoap

Better quality version of Burke's score from yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RSq1yhkiio

Diabhal Beag

That was a brilliant score. Burke really was outstanding yesterday and I was a critic of his during his midfield days. He is superb at half-forward.

Still is amazing that a team that conceded 7-28 in two games leading up to the match were as good as they were yesterday. Credit to the management but specifically the players too.

Fireball07

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

That was a brilliant score. Burke really was outstanding yesterday and I was a critic of his during his midfield days. He is superb at half-forward.

Still is amazing that a team that conceded 7-28 in two games leading up to the match were as good as they were yesterday. Credit to the management but specifically the players too.

That was the really surprising team imo. I know Kilkenny scored 2 goals in the end but Galway were leaking goals like a sieve in the previous 2 games against much weaker attacks than Kilkenny. Their defensive effort particularly in the first half was phenomenal.

I think that if Kilkenny had scored a couple of goals in the first half, they would have won. Even if they were losing by a good bit...that would have given them the confidence to go on. But Galway swept up everything, Johnny Coen was man-of-the-match imo.

calvin_zola

and they conceded that haul to bad teams

InchicoreDude

That was a brilliant score. Burke really was outstanding yesterday and I was a critic of his during his midfield days. He is superb at half-forward.

He was an outstanding midfielder for the Galway minors. But never seemed a top player when he played there for the seniors. He definitely seems more comfortable in the forwards, he certainly has had better matches in the forwards anyway.

MrJoeSoap

InchicoreDude wrote: »

He was an outstanding midfielder for the Galway minors. But never seemed a top player when he played there for the seniors. He definitely seems more comfortable in the forwards, he certainly has had better matches in the forwards anyway.

He has come on leaps and bounds this year in the forwards. 4-4 from play in his three games this year so far. Three real poachers goals and the one against Kilkenny was a beauty, great catch whilst on the run and a fine finish into the corner.

Think he tallied 1-9 in the league overall also.

Tombo2001

Lapin wrote: »

Interesting.

While Hurling in Galway is indeed concentrated in the south and east of the county, I wouldn't use a geograghical proximity to Tipperary as a reason for its popularity here. Perhaps being closer to Munster and Leinster would be more accurate.

After all, last years club champions, Clarinbridge along with Gort, Kinvara, Ballinderreen and a few others are closer to Clare. While Kiltormer, Mullagh, and Meelick/Eyrecourt are closer to Offaly in Leinster.

But then, Athenry, Sarsfields, Rahoon/Newcastle and others are all a relatively good distance from any other bordering county.

As the map shows, there is a clear geographic difference in interest between hurling and football in the county. So much so, that growing up here, I know many people who follow the counties hurlers everywhere but have no interest whatsoever in the footballers (and vice versa).

I support both myself but prefer hurling as a sport.

The division between Hurling and Football in Galway is so marked, that uniquely, we are the only county with different jersys, county crests, sponsors, and county boards for both codes. The hurlers always wear a darker shade of maroon than the footballers. I like the fact that both codes are independent of each other.

Hurling Jersey

Football Jersey

Interesting about the jerseys....

I suppose where I'm looking at the map from (meath) the parts of Galway that are close to the Tipp border are not too far from the Clare border either.......mightnt seem that way locally obviously.

jossnjuice

Fireball07 wrote: »

But Galway swept up everything, Johnny Coen was man-of-the-match imo.

I genuinely have no idea how any papers or TSG didnt give the MOTM to Coen. Mindblowingly good, and i was sitting right beside his position for the second half. Swept up some amount of loose ball, and distribuition was very accurate too.

jerryg

dastardly00 wrote: »

Eh the weather wasn't that bad.
Bizarre statement imo.

Did you ever play in the wet?I did and I know its a completely different game,my statement is not Bizarre,but then most of the Hurlers on the ditch here dont know anything about Hurling.

premierstone

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Still is amazing that a team that conceded 7-28 in two games leading up to the match were as good as they were yesterday. Credit to the management but specifically the players too.

calvin_zola wrote: »

and they conceded that haul to bad teams

I actually commented on this is one of the previews either here or in the gambling thread, the scores they conceeded were irrelevant they came in games they had won after 15 mins and were really no more than glorified challenge matches, there was zero physicallity and no-one marking anyone.

deisefolife

jossnjuice wrote: »

I genuinely have no idea how any papers or TSG didnt give the MOTM to Coen. Mindblowingly good, and i was sitting right beside his position for the second half. Swept up some amount of loose ball, and distribuition was very accurate too.

i was very surprised he didn't get it tbh,

i keep forgetting his name.great hurler how old is he ?

MrJoeSoap

Born in 1991, so 20/21.

jerryg

jerryg wrote: »

Did you ever play in the wet?I did and I know its a completely different game,my statement is not Bizarre,but then most of the Hurlers on the ditch here dont know anything about Hurling.

But wouldnt rain would hamper the game for both teams and not just Kilkenny? Dont forget the 09 and 10 All Irelands were played in horrible weather yet both provided some of the most intense and entertaining hurling we've arguably seen in the modern era.

dastardly00

I'm confused as to what the point of your original post was.

jerryg wrote: »

Fair play to Galway they hit Kilkenny hard all over the pitch and were really up for it,and deserved their win but you have to remember this is a Leinster final played in terrible weather .

The weather was the same for both teams. I fail to see how that has anything got to do with the result. But you seem to imply that Galway were aided/Kilkenny were hampered by the bad weather. Why?

jerryg wrote: »

Did you ever play in the wet?I did and I know its a completely different game,my statement is not Bizarre,but then most of the Hurlers on the ditch here dont know anything about Hurling.

I played hurling for many years, and plenty were in wet conditions. I also have played soccer, rugby and tag rugby for many years, so I am aware that it can affect sports games, but it is always the same for both teams!!!

The 'hurlers on the ditch' comment is pathetic.

MrJoeSoap

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Born in 1991, so 20/21.

That challenge for me almost summed up the game. Galway were absolutely ravenous.

deisefolife

Deleted User wrote: »

That challenge for me almost summed up the game. Galway were absolutely ravenous.

is that johny coen ??

great hurler he should of getting MOTM imo

RealityCheck

deisefolife wrote: »

is that johny coen ??

great hurler he should of getting MOTM imo

Yes that is he. Plays club hurling with Loughrea. No surprise he's tough!

RealityCheck

RealityCheck wrote: »

Yes that is he. Plays club hurling with Loughrea. No surprise he's tough!

Super perfomance from him. He was unbelievable. MOTM. That shoulder summed up his attitude and hunger on the day. Even Diarmuid O'Sullivan might have done well to stay on his feet after it.

InchicoreDude

InchicoreDude wrote: »

He was an outstanding midfielder for the Galway minors. But never seemed a top player when he played there for the seniors. He definitely seems more comfortable in the forwards, he certainly has had better matches in the forwards anyway.

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

He has come on leaps and bounds this year in the forwards. 4-4 from play in his three games this year so far. Three real poachers goals and the one against Kilkenny was a beauty, great catch whilst on the run and a fine finish into the corner.

Think he tallied 1-9 in the league overall also.

I have hurled with David Burke since he was 8 years old playing for our U-10 sides and there has always been something special about him. He was never well built underage but the games he bossed even at age groups above his level were staggering. To me he's a future midfielder. I think his man problem is his size but he has seriously bulked up in the last year and will continue to do so. I think the main problem was he was maybe thrown in midfield too early. I think the time in the forwards will do him the world of good while he truly adjusts to senior intercounty hurling.

For me, he's the most technically gifted hurler we have after Canning. His workrate and drive are huge. He's a future All-Star and Galway captain and I think will have many more days like Sunday for this county.

deisefolife

imo. coen stood out the most to me the other day, and with out him in the back line cleaning up all the scrapy ball and dirty ball, it might have being different ending

well done galway. its great for the sport, if only we can do it to tipp sunday, i dunno who will win, but we'll give a better count of ourselfs than we did last year

Min

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Born in 1991, so 20/21.

Be nice to see a longer version of that to count the number of steps taken while holding the ball.

Professey Chin

Min wrote: »

Be nice to see a longer version of that to count the number of steps taken while holding the ball.

He released it just after the gif ends.
Although kilkenny counting steps? :pac:

premierstone

Min wrote: »

Be nice to see a longer version of that to count the number of steps taken while holding the ball.

LMFAO I didnt think KK people recognised that particular rule, certainly hasn't looked that way for many years.

adrian522

No Offence but could you elaborate on that a bit? And how it differs from how other counties interpret the rule.

Tombo2001

A small probably irrelevant point.

Kilkenny has won the AI in

2002
1992
1982
1972

Can it continue the run.....

aidan24326

Min wrote: »

Be nice to see a longer version of that to count the number of steps taken while holding the ball.

In all honesty it wouldn't matter if he took a hundred steps, hardly had much bearing on the result.

rasputinscigar

Looking forward to the big match. John Mullane isn't afraid to stick his neck out in the media again after the Davy Fitz moment in the semi-final.
This hurling viral he did for Three is making waves:

http://youtu.be/2QzMZ8zCpTM

Min

premierstone wrote: »

LMFAO I didnt think KK people recognised that particular rule, certainly hasn't looked that way for many years.

We do, that is why I was just asking about that particular clip.

Min

Tombo2001 wrote: »

A small probably irrelevant point.

Kilkenny has won the AI in

2002
1992
1982
1972

Can it continue the run.....

Also won it in

1912
1922
1932


Excluded from championship in 1942 along with Tipperary due to foot and mouth disease which stopped the run till 1972, but now back on track...

Money coming for Kilkenny as odds shortened from 6/4 to 6/5 to win the All Ireland, Tipperary and Galway moved out to 11/4 from 5/2.