Rights to British citizenship?

Bonus_Pack

We all know that certain allowances have been made by the Southern Irish government to entitle Northern Irish UK citizens who are nationalists to an Irish passpord should they wish to identify themselves as Irish. Now what i'm asking is thst should the reciprocal arrangement be made where the UK entitles those from Southern Ireland to become UK citizens if they wish to identify themselves as British.
I would say it's only fair that it should work both ways.

I know it's already easier to become a British citizen if you're genuinely Irish to begine with, but is there an arguement to be made for this to be changes to an automatic entitlement on the basis that pre 1922, everyone was automatically a UK citizen.

Would the Irish Government have any beef with this?

Mr_Spaceman

While I'm not too sure about where this might end up, Irish passports for those born in NI are not the sole preserve of nationalist-minded people.

It may surprise some but quite a few unionists in NI possess Irish - along with UK - passports.

RobbieTheRobber

Bonus_Pack wrote: »

We all know that certain allowances have been made by the Southern Irish government to entitle Northern Irish UK citizens who are nationalists to an Irish passpord should they wish to identify themselves as Irish. Now what i'm asking is thst should the reciprocal arrangement be made where the UK entitles those from Southern Ireland to become UK citizens if they wish to identify themselves as British.
I would say it's only fair that it should work both ways.

I know it's already easier to become a British citizen if you're genuinely Irish to begine with, but is there an arguement to be made for this to be changes to an automatic entitlement on the basis that pre 1922, everyone was automatically a UK citizen.

Would the Irish Government have any beef with this?

The Irish Government has no issue with Irish citizens becoming british.
There is a Wiki page about this very topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_and_the_Republic_of_Ireland

Access to British citizenship for Irish citizens
As a result of the above, there is generally no special access to British citizenship for Irish citizens. The facility for those born before 1949 to claim British subject status does not confer British citizenship, although it gives an entitlement to registration as such after 5 years in the UK.

Irish citizens seeking to become British citizens are usually required to live in the UK and become naturalised after meeting the normal residence and other requirements, unless they can claim British citizenship by descent from a UK born or naturalised parent. An Irish citizen who naturalises as a British citizen does not automatically lose their Irish citizenship.

Naturalisation as a British citizen is a discretionary power of the Secretary of State for the Home Department but will generally not be refused if the requirements are met.

Bonus_Pack

Well thats fine but there is some arguement imo for genuinely irish people to be automatically entitled to be a British citizen given that it is still debateable as to whether Ireland ought to be independent. Shure there are a lot of people getting more interested in rejoining the commonwealth for a start.

Kinski

Bonus_Pack wrote: »

I know it's already easier to become a British citizen if you're genuinely Irish to begine with, but is there an arguement to be made for this to be changes to an automatic entitlement on the basis that pre 1922, everyone was automatically a UK citizen.

Sorry, genuinely Irish? As opposed to what, fraudulently Irish?

No, it isn't easier - it depends on when your parents were born (before or after the declaration of a republic). People from the North now have the option of choosing whether they want a UK or Irish passport (or both). There's no reason why Irish from the Republic should have a similar choice; the fact that the country was part of the UK is not a good reason. We left almost a century ago - it's like arguing that Alaskans should have the right to a Russian passport.

Anyhow, Irish citizens have enjoyed many rights with regard to travelling to, and living and working in the UK since independence. Holding a British passport confers few other rights, particularly now we are all EU citizens.

I'm entitled to a full British passport, but I've never taken it up, because there just isn't any significant advantage - I can still live and work there (and AFAIK even vote in elections) on the basis of my Irish citizenship.

RobbieTheRobber

Bonus_Pack wrote: »

Well thats fine but there is some arguement imo for genuinely irish people to be automatically entitled to be a British citizen given that it is still debateable as to whether Ireland ought to be independent. Shure there are a lot of people getting more interested in rejoining the commonwealth for a start.

Im sorry Irish independance is certainly not debateable!
The Irish constitution was Enacted by the People on the 1st July, 1937, and has been In operation from 29th December, 1937.
http://www.constitution.ie/constitution-of-ireland/default.asp

junder

I have met quite a few residents of the republic of Ireland who regard themselves as British and would like the right to have a British passport so yer it's only fair that they should have the right in the same way residents of northern Ireland have the right to Irish passports

RonnieLimerick

" irish people to be automatically entitled to be a British citizen given that it is still debateable as to whether Ireland ought to be independent. Shure there are a lot of people getting more interested in rejoining the commonwealth for a start. "


Keep Dreaming !! there are many in this country who would resort to violence to keep us out of the commonwealth . i also like the way you spelled Irish with a small i and british with a capital B . The issue of Ireland's involvement with the UK is finished over kaput gefallen !

The commonwealth , now there's some real sh******s in that thing i can tell you , why would anybody want a club that included the windsors and mugabe's ! and just looking at the member states , why is Ireland taking in so many asylum seekers from the commonwealth surely that should be the uk's job .

europa11

Bonus_Pack wrote: »

.... the Southern Irish government to entitle Northern .........Southern Ireland to become.....QUOTE]

Where is this place you call "Southern Ireland"? :rolleyes: I know of no such country.

Best you troll over to the Scottish independence thread where an edited version of your OP might have far more relevance in the not so distant future.

Galwayguy35

Bonus_Pack wrote: »

Well thats fine but there is some arguement imo for genuinely irish people to be automatically entitled to be a British citizen given that it is still debateable as to whether Ireland ought to be independent. Shure there are a lot of people getting more interested in rejoining the commonwealth for a start.

Noone has a problem with someone becoming a British citizen if they want to but whats all this about it being "still debateable as to whether Ireland ought to be independent".
I think Lizzie Windsors visit north of the border might have gone to your head a bit.
And secondly very few people would want to go back to the commonwealth.

karma_

junder wrote: »

I have met quite a few residents of the republic of Ireland who regard themselves as British and would like the right to have a British passport so yer it's only fair that they should have the right in the same way residents of northern Ireland have the right to Irish passports

Would that be at an Orange parade by any chance? That wouldn't really an accurate representation of general opinion now would it?

DEFTLEFTHAND

I believe my father is entitled to a British Passport as both his parents were born pre 1922.

Fromthetrees

junder wrote: »

I have met quite a few residents of the republic of Ireland who regard themselves as British and would like the right to have a British passport so yer it's only fair that they should have the right in the same way residents of northern Ireland have the right to Irish passports

:rolleyes:
I have met quite a few residents of the republic of Ireland Britain who regard themselves as British Muslim and would like the right to have a British passport Sharia Law implemented so yer it's only fair that they should have the right in the same way residents of northern Ireland have the right to Irish passports.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16522447

paul71

europa11 wrote: »

Bonus_Pack wrote: »

.... the Southern Irish government to entitle Northern .........Southern Ireland to become.....QUOTE]

Where is this place you call "Southern Ireland"? :rolleyes: I know of no such country.

Best you troll over to the Scottish independence thread where an edited version of your OP might have far more relevance in the not so distant future.

Well said sir.

Southern Ireland to my mind is Munster, which to my knowledge does not have an aspiration to a Government of its own. The official name of this country is "Ireland" not Southern Ireland, The Republic of Ireland or any other troll name people may invent.

southsiderosie

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