Largest on-land seizure of drugs in the history of the state.

csi vegas

I Heart Internet wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0626/drugs-dublin-kildare.html

Fair play to the Gardai on this one.

Middle-classs drug users might have to pay a little more for their fix.

Agree.

France 24 ran a story Sunday night about the special forces in Colombia - these poor guys (and misfortune of a dog) lining up for battle in the jungle, the look of uncertainty and sadness on their faces had me reaching for the kleenex and all before they even deployed. They came under heavy fire with the main 'manufacturers' and several soldiers lives were lost, one of whose death shown on camera. They made it their priority to protect the camera man from harm and one of them stood up and walked out to an open area (while still under fire) to guide the helicopter and get the reporter to safety.

I thought of a girl I know of. Stuck up, violent, wannabe posh bítch who snorts like there's no tomorrow (for her - hopefully not ).
Those men DIED FOR HER and other twats like her. May the wheel turn.

grindle

bohsboy wrote: »

What frequency are batches coming out these days? And as for MDMA levels now? As good as early 90's or a lot of watering down?

High frequency.

MDMA levels are coming back up, but about three out of five pills has speed (yuck) or piperazine (yuckier) instead, or added in.

But if you find a good pill, like that kid in the 'Ecstasy' thread did...
Pure as it ever was..

Shryke

bohsboy wrote: »

Shryke wrote: »

You still haven't done your research.

What are you harping on about now?

You're a magnificent troll. Your second hand, ill informed, anecdotal and circumstantial knowledge of the fundamental facts of drugs and drug use.
You're talking out your back entrance as to the fundamental nature of the subject matter is what I'm driving at.
I do think you're on a wind up from the start so I'll just let you off now. It's getting late.

Chuck Stone

csi vegas wrote: »

Those men DIED FOR HER and other twats like her.

Such an immature understanding.

The US has been wreaking havoc in central and South America for decades and the war on drugs is just another pathetic bogeyman (as if US right wing nut-jobs care about drug users) that allows the US to keep meddling in the affairs of other countries.

grindle

Dexter Spicy Peacock wrote: »

link

yoshi

csi vegas

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The US has been wreaking havoc in central and South America for decades and the war on drugs is just another pathetic bogeyman (as if US right wing nut-jobs care about drug users) that allows the US to keep meddling in the affairs of other countries.

Well this is certainly the one instance I agree with (the financing and operation of soldiers fighting drug cartels funded by the US - as outlined in the France24 report) where the US 'meddle' if you like in other countries' business. Iraq etc? No. But 'meddle' in Colombia? Meddle away. At least they're doing something, regardless of the outcome.

Logical Fallacy

bohsboy wrote: »

What are you harping on about now?

He's politely saying you are full of **** I reckon.

Chuck Stone

csi vegas wrote: »

Well this is certainly the one instance I agree with (the financing and operation of soldiers fighting drug cartels funded by the US - as outlined in the France24 report) where the US 'meddle' if you like in other countries' business. Iraq etc? No. But 'meddle' in Colombia? Meddle away.

So you'd be okay with China meddling in the US if they decided to outlaw tobacco and the US still produced it? Would you be okay with the Chinese funding anti-tobacco militias in US tobacco growing states?

At least they're doing something, regardless of the outcome.

Jesus...

onemorechance

A 42-year-old Nigerian man was arrested in the Tallaght area and 50kg of cocaine and a vehicle were seized.
During a follow-up operation in the west Dublin and Kildare areas, a 31-year-old Irish man was arrested.
Over 300kg of cocaine was seized in the second seizure in Blanchardstown.

Source: RTE

There is often a 'follow-up' operation in these large drug busts. Can we assume that it's typically the person caught in the first operation gives up a larger fish to ease his own situation?

I assume that the cops would have busted the second place at the same time as the first had they known about it before.

Well done to the police on some good work.

bohsboy

Shryke wrote: »

You're a magnificent troll. Your second hand, ill informed, anecdotal and circumstantial knowledge of the fundamental facts of drugs and drug use.
You're talking out your back entrance as to the fundamental nature of the subject matter is what I'm driving at.
I do think you're on a wind up from the start so I'll just let you off now. It's getting late.

epic stuff, typical boards response , the nuclear option, calling someone a troll because you don't agree with what they say. Im pointing out the dangers off drug taking as I've seen the devastating effects it has first hand.
Now ill let you off to take you crap in peace as its obviously doing wonders for your sleep patterns. Is troll calling a banning offence these days here?

Father Damo

Sappa wrote: »

One thing we can verify is that you haven't a clue what's really going on in this country at a street level and I am sure many people here can verify that this is the case.
If it was French people bringing in the majority of the cocaine we would say it as so but it's not it's on fact the Nigerians and a huge way they are doing it is by using mules to bring it in as pellets in their stomachs and through larger shipments with cooperation from the Irish gangsters.

The large shipments generally originate from Irish lads in the South of Spain buying in bulk and shipping it back here by lorry, or from Irish lads in Dutch port cities sourcing it there.

Im not saying it has never happened but the vast majority of Nigerian involvement is low level stuff, a kilo here and there, smuggled by mule. The Irish involvement is more on the multi kilo truck full level. If Nigerians are so involved in it why havent they been getting gunned down/ involved in shooting at the same rate as the Irish have during the cocaine boom years?


Anyone remember that sh1te that went around years ago saying that Moore Street had effectively turned into an open air free for all drugs market? Believe you me back in the summer of 2006 when you couldnt get hash if your life depended on it I paced up and down there many a time and wa disappointed by the lack of anyone approaching me :pac:


I have always been mystified as to how coke, at the quality it is mixed to for retail level, ever even took off in Ireland.

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Shakima Greggs: You rogue mother****ers kill me. Fighting the war on drugs, one brutality case at a time.

Det. Ellis Carver: You can't even call this **** a war.

Det. Thomas Hauk: Why not?

Det. Ellis Carver: Wars end.

The Wire.

Jesus The Wire is some preachy badly written shyte.

Armin_Tamzarian

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Society has to protect itself, and if you compare where we are today with the pre-drug society bliss where people could leave their homes unlocked all day, we're really are in hell at the moment afraid to walk the streets at night and have to barricade ourselves into our homes.

Sounds like you need to move to a better area dude.

Chuck Stone

Father Damo wrote: »

Jesus The Wire is some preachy badly written shyte.

It's only widely accepted by critics and connoisseurs as the greatest drama ever produced.

Immaculate Pasta

Those pictures look like the Gardai seized those blocks of tofu you can buy in the supermarket.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1G1SVEDCENUK430&q=blocks+of+tofu&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=htDqT7W1LZC00QXYseG9BQ&biw=1366&bih=643&sei=jdDqT4rFH5KN0wWwwtDgBQ

That is my thought on the topic. :cool:

Nice seizure for An Garda Siochana.
Good stuff.

Jester252

Glad to see that off our streets.
I don't know how some people are against the garda removing drugs like this from our streets

RayCon

RVP 11 wrote: »

Nice seizure for An Garda Siochana.
Good stuff.

Did You try it ?

I Heart Internet

My thoughts on folk who consume illegal drugs in Ireland:

Most will continue to appeal for legalisation of their drugs of choice and continue to use them illegally in the meantime despite them knowing that the majority is sourced via violent criminal gangs. They hold fast to the notion that they're current support for violent criminal gangs is caused by government and state not legalising these drugs and, presumably, allowing current producers and suppliers to turn legal and get CRO and VAT numbers.

So supporting violent crime is ok, as long as you complain to all who'll listen that you'd prefer not to be doing it.

Unless, of course, you're one of the many, many, many people in Ireland who don't buy drugs from violent criminal gangs. These people buy drugs from friends, buddies, guys they went to school with who a really sound guys. Guys they met down the pub who just lets his close circle of friends buy stuff off him. You know, the good guys.

Paparazzo

bohsboy wrote: »

Ive yet to meet a peaceful, let alone responsible junkie/stoner/crackhead etc.

I noticed you still haven't explained more on this, even though it was called bullshít by about 5 people. If you think a drug user can't lead a normal life, and the people down on the boardwalk is a typical drug user, you don't have a clue what you're talking about no matter now many times you say you do.

bohsboy wrote: »

Not breaking my rules? You should know that. Id lock users and dealers up all day long.

Lets take a look at this. You want to lock up 24% of the population. Where are you going to build this super prison to house over 1m people? At least it will provide jobs, officer to inmate ratio is around 20:1, that's 50,000 prisoner officers. At 3 shifts a day, that's 150,000 new jobs. At €40k a year, that's 6 billion a year in prison officer wages alone.
How many more police do we need to catch these people?
I'd say you'd be surprised how ofted you'd be visiting friends and family that smoked the odd joint too.
Presumable if you're so anti drugs, you don't listen to music that drug users made? Your music collection must be full of chrisitan rap and the odd x-factor winner.

I Heart Internet

I Heart Internet wrote: »

My thoughts on folk who consume illegal drugs in Ireland:

Most will continue to appeal for legalisation of their drugs of choice and continue to use them illegally in the meantime despite them knowing that the majority is sourced via violent criminal gangs. They hold fast to the notion that they're current support for violent criminal gangs is caused by government and state not legalising these drugs and, presumably, allowing current producers and suppliers to turn legal and get CRO and VAT numbers.

So supporting violent crime is ok, as long as you complain to all who'll listen that you'd prefer not to be doing it.

Unless, of course, you're one of the many, many, many people in Ireland who don't buy drugs from violent criminal gangs. These people buy drugs from friends, buddies, guys they went to school with who a really sound guys. Guys they met down the pub who just lets his close circle of friends buy stuff off him. You know, the good guys.

There's very little that doesn't have people getting shot behind some part of the manufacturing process. Olive oil is massively influenced by groups like the Camorra (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/jan/04/olive-oil-real-thing) and a look at where just Italian criminal gangs have got their hands into would blow your mind. Waste disposal from Northen Italy wrecking swathes of Southern Italy, companies like Parmalat becoming basically a branch of the mob a few years back, control of every business in entire towns, control of clothing manufacturing and **** only knows what else they're into. In one region in Italy there's been nearly as many murders over the years due to organised crime as the conflict in NI and if you look at how far these groups' ties reach you could buy very little with a clear conscience.

Thats all before looking at sweatshop labour behind our clothes in the Far East, wars basically started to keep resource prices low, puppet regimes, pollution etc. etc.

I Heart Internet

Deleted User wrote: »

There's very little that doesn't have people getting shot behind some part of the manufacturing process. Olive oil is massively influenced by groups like the Camorra (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/jan/04/olive-oil-real-thing) and a look at where just Italian criminal gangs have got their hands into would blow your mind. Waste disposal from Northen Italy wrecking swathes of Southern Italy, companies like Parmalat becoming basically a branch of the mob a few years back, control of every business in entire towns, control of clothing manufacturing and **** only knows what else they're into. In one region in Italy there's been nearly as many murders over the years due to organised crime as the conflict in NI and if you look at how far these groups' ties reach you could buy very little with a clear conscience.

Thats all before looking at sweatshop labour behind our clothes in the Far East, wars basically started to keep resource prices low, puppet regimes, pollution etc. etc.

All perfectly valid points, I have no doubt.

But my comments still stand - Irish drug users knowingly support criminality while trying to pin the blame on the state.

PucaMama

I Heart Internet wrote: »

My thoughts on folk who consume illegal drugs in Ireland:

Most will continue to appeal for legalisation of their drugs of choice and continue to use them illegally in the meantime despite them knowing that the majority is sourced via violent criminal gangs. They hold fast to the notion that they're current support for violent criminal gangs is caused by government and state not legalising these drugs and, presumably, allowing current producers and suppliers to turn legal and get CRO and VAT numbers.

So supporting violent crime is ok, as long as you complain to all who'll listen that you'd prefer not to be doing it.

Unless, of course, you're one of the many, many, many people in Ireland who don't buy drugs from violent criminal gangs. These people buy drugs from friends, buddies, guys they went to school with who a really sound guys. Guys they met down the pub who just lets his close circle of friends buy stuff off him. You know, the good guys.

where do you think he got his from?? from the criminals!

mikom

I Heart Internet wrote: »

All perfectly valid points, I have no doubt.

But my comments still stand - Irish drug users knowingly support criminality while trying to pin the blame on the state.

How many reading this post will will buy insurance, blocks, radiators, solar panels etc from Sean Quinn in the next few years?

Father Damo

Chuck Stone wrote: »

It's only widely accepted by critics and connoisseurs as the greatest drama ever produced.

Its not even the greatest thing its own writers have come up with, let alone the above pretentious ****. The preaching was cringeworthy, the writing was lazy.

Slumdog Millionaire won 8 or so Oscars. The Matrix is critically acclaimed. It still doesnt get away from the fact they were both shyte. People like them. People also voted for the Nazis and listen to Coldplay. You cant trust people.

Armin_Tamzarian

PucaMama wrote: »

where do you think he got his from?? from the criminals!

You do realise that it's quite easy to grow your own weed at home

gaffer91

onemorechance wrote: »

Well done to the police on some good work.

RVP 11 wrote: »

Nice seizure for An Garda Siochana.
Good stuff.

Jester252 wrote: »

Glad to see that off our streets.
I don't know how some people are against the garda removing drugs like this from our streets

Have any of you actually bothered to read any of the thread?

I Heart Internet

PucaMama wrote: »

where do you think he got his from?? from the criminals!

i had my sarcastic hat on when I wrote that :rolleyes:

Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »

You do realise that it's quite easy to grow your own weed at home

I do. That's why I said that:

the majority is sourced via violent criminal gangs.

plasteritup

christmas2012 wrote: »

Drugs is more of a widespread problem now,it used to be just confined to inner city areas,but its everywhere,you cannot go anywhere without being hassled or nearly robbed, i know a neighbour of mine who had his car hijacked by a junkie and he ordered him to drive to a pub known as brannigans in limerick to meet some buds and do a favour,then he ordered him to drive to an atm at knifepoint..

Its a real problem and the fact there arent enough gards to man this problem has meant it has spiralled out of control to this point..

drugs?? what drugs,coke? weed? ecstacy? heroin? speed? hash? acid?


all of the above bar coke heroin and weed have been widespread,not confined to inner citys for the last 20 years man,wake up.

coke weed and heroin have been for ten easy.

how many times have you being hassled and nearly robbed over the last twenty years,must be a few thousand at this stage,loads of people take drugs all the time and have a great time,some become dependant,much like alcohol,criminal gangs make lots of money and kill for turf,debts,paranoia,peer pressure,but mostly turf and debts.

the guards run around like headless chickens after em,some cops get off on it and some couldnt give a ****.

either way people will continued to be shot,pipe bombs planted,houses burgaled,banks robbed,pensioners robbed in their homes and so on and on it will go.

BECAUSE GANGSTERS ARE MAKING LOADS AND LOADS OF SPONDOOLAKS.

because it illiegal.

plasteritup

plasteritup wrote: »

drugs?? what drugs,coke? weed? ecstacy? heroin? speed? hash? acid?


all of the above bar coke heroin and weed have been widespread,not confined to inner citys for the last 20 years man,wake up.

coke weed and heroin have been for ten easy.

how many times have you being hassled and nearly robbed over the last twenty years,must be a few thousand at this stage,loads of people take drugs all the time and have a great time,some become dependant,much like alcohol,criminal gangs make lots of money and kill for turf,debts,paranoia,peer pressure,but mostly turf and debts.

the guards run around like headless chickens after em,some cops get off on it and some couldnt give a ****.

either way people will continued to be shot,pipe bombs planted,houses burgaled,banks robbed,pensioners robbed in their homes and so on and on it will go.

BECAUSE GANGSTERS ARE MAKING LOADS AND LOADS OF SPONDOOLAKS.

because it illiegal.

Are you trying to burst their bubble?

tayto lover

gaffer91 wrote: »

From cannabis, MDMA or LSD? I don't know that there is "many who have died" for those drugs actually.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfideysnmhkf/rss2/

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0508/breaking32.html

http://www.hrb.ie/uploads/tx_hrbpublications/HRB_Trend_Series_8.pdf

Drugs are a contributory factor in many deaths in Ireland - all drugs from alcohol to heroin have a death rate.

tayto lover

usernamegoes wrote: »

For other people? So you don't care about the person taking it? So we have reached agreement.

If a drug can be shown to cause it's takers to act violently per se then I'd ban it.

I am not aware of any drugs that do.

There you go. This nice man blamed drugs
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/killers_wh_surrender/9.html

plasteritup

RVP 11 wrote: »

Are you trying to burst their bubble?

meaning?

onemorechance

gaffer91 wrote: »

Have any of you actually bothered to read any of the thread?

I have not read much of the thread; seems to have become a pro vs. anti drug use debate. I have only read the article on RTE.

You quoted posts which show appreciation for the work of the guards; did they not do a good job?

gara

onemorechance wrote: »

You quoted posts which show appreciation for the work of the guards; did they not do a good job?

The guards did a bloody great job. As it stands, drugs are illegal in this country and that effectively makes it the job of the Gardaí to get them off the street. In this instance they did their job and they did it well.

Is it going to end the war on drugs? No of course not. Are the Gardaí claiming it will? No of course not. But some people live in the real world and work hard within their limited resources to do their best and people should be appreciative at least some of the time, without always looking for something to whinge about. If the guards are seen to do nothing, they're condmened then too -damned if they do and damned if they don't basically!

plasteritup

plasteritup wrote: »

meaning?

The key is in the question.;)

tayto lover

This is a very good article from someone who worked with drug addicts in the U.S. It is a bit scary and has some pictures which are not nice but which explain the reality of a drug culture better than words can I think. Follow the links on the left-hand side for each drug and ask yourself if you would like any of your children to become involved with any of those substances.

http://deep6inc.com/index.html

gaffer91

tayto lover wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfideysnmhkf/rss2/

This is one extremely isolated incident. I would also wager that it was not the MDMA that killed her (if is really was the pill that was responsible) but the drug it was cut with. Another reason legalisation is the way forward.

tayto lover wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0508/breaking32.html

This provides no link to deaths caused by cannabis. Neither does it suggest cannabis use in adulthood is linked to schizophrenia; it only states it for adolescents.

Most importantly however, there are countless studies suggesting that the cannabis schizophrenia link is extremely tenuous.

tayto lover wrote: »

http://www.hrb.ie/uploads/tx_hrbpublications/HRB_Trend_Series_8.pdf

Drugs are a contributory factor in many deaths in Ireland - all drugs from alcohol to heroin have a death rate.

This link is way too long for me to read. Seeing as how your bias would prevent you from giving an accurate summary, I had a skim through and the point that jumped out at me the most was that alcohol was a leading contributor, a drug that it is accepted is much better off legal.

tayto lover wrote: »

There you go. This nice man blamed drugs
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/killers_wh_surrender/9.html

He is one person, and an unreliable one at that. Cocaine does not cause people to hallucinate.

Ted Bundy blamed porn for his murders? Should that be banned too?

Now that I have busted all your myths- do you think the war on drugs has been a success? What drugs, if any, do you think should be legal?

onemorechance wrote: »

I have not read much of the thread; seems to have become a pro vs. anti drug use debate. I have only read the article on RTE.

You quoted posts which show appreciation for the work of the guards; did they not do a good job?

They did a job, but a completely futile one. It is not addressing the bigger problem of the war on drugs, and patting the guards on the back for every drug seizure distracts from the bigger picture.

gara wrote: »

The guards did a bloody great job. As it stands, drugs are illegal in this country and that effectively makes it the job of the Gardaí to get them off the street. In this instance they did their job and they did it well.

Is it going to end the war on drugs? No of course not. Are the Gardaí claiming it will? No of course not. But some people live in the real world and work hard within their limited resources to do their best and people should be appreciative at least some of the time, without always looking for something to whinge about. If the guards are seen to do nothing, they're condmened then too -damned if they do and damned if they don't basically!

The war on drugs will never end, and will never be won. Resources would be better spent investigating murders, robberies, fraud etc. The war on drugs is a gigantic waste of money. I'm actually surprised you are bothering to still post given how the prohibitionist argument was completely blasted out of the water over the course of the thread.

gaffer91

tayto lover wrote: »

This is a very good article from someone who worked with drug addicts in the U.S. It is a bit scary and has some pictures which are not nice but which explain the reality of a drug culture better than words can I think. Follow the links on the left-hand side for each drug and ask yourself if you would like any of your children to become involved with any of those substances.

http://deep6inc.com/index.html

Most users are not addicts. You must realise this by now.

It is a clearly biased website that makes ludicrous claims such as linking cannabis to teen suicide.

gara

gaffer91 wrote: »

The war on drugs will never end, and will never be won. Resources would be better spent investigating murders, robberies, fraud etc. The war on drugs is a gigantic waste of money. I'm actually surprised you are bothering to still post given how the prohibitionist argument was completely blasted out of the water over the course of the thread.

The one where it was claimed that taking drugs makes you more responsible and is akin to rock-climbing? Would you ever get a grip or come down off that delusional high you're on cos I'm sick of you trying to engage my posts with your nonsensical rubbish

gaffer91

gara wrote: »

The one where it was claimed that taking drugs makes you more responsible and is akin to rock-climbing? Would you ever get a grip or come down off that delusional high you're on cos I'm sick of you trying to engage my posts with your nonsensical rubbish

No every reason the prohibitionists have given has been completely taken apart, not just that one. I provided a link showing that MDMA was as dangerous as horse riding, which you just ignored. The point we were trying to make was if drugs should be illegal because they are harmful, should every activity dangerous to oneself be prohibited as well? The answer is no.

The prohibitionist argument has consisted of lies, hyperbole, strawmen and ignorance of basic facts surrounding drugs and the war on drugs. I would politely advise to give up this argument as you have already been resoundingly defeated and you are just making yourself look worse.

Tym

This link is way too long for me to read.

:rolleyes:

tayto lover

gaffer91 wrote: »

Most users are not addicts. You must realise this by now.

It is a clearly biased website that makes ludicrous claims such as linking cannabis to teen suicide.

Biased because it disagrees with your views obviously.

tayto lover

gara wrote: »

The one where it was claimed that taking drugs makes you more responsible and is akin to rock-climbing? Would you ever get a grip or come down off that delusional high you're on cos I'm sick of you trying to engage my posts with your nonsensical rubbish

He had a habit of doing that. (excuse pun).

gaffer91

Tym wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Great response. FFS it's 20 pages long. I gave it a brief once over and came to the conclusion I detailed in my post.

tayto lover

gaffer91 wrote: »

Most users are not addicts. You must realise this by now.

It is a clearly biased website that makes ludicrous claims such as linking cannabis to teen suicide.

That's amazing because many professionals make that same connection.
Are they all biased who disagree with your views?

gaffer91

tayto lover wrote: »

Biased because it disagrees with your views obviously.

Biased because it cites zero studies and makes laughable claims like the one I pointed out.

Care to respond to my question- do you think the war on drugs has been a success?

gaffer91

tayto lover wrote: »

That's amazing because many professionals make that same connection.
Are they all biased who disagree with your views?

Most studies do not make such a connection. People are biased when they refuse to listen to fact.

Do you think the war on drugs has been a success?

tayto lover

gaffer91 wrote: »

Biased because it cites zero studies and makes laughable claims like the one I pointed out.

Care to respond to my question- do you think the war on drugs has been a success?

The people who write the articles are professionals like that doctor in my last link.

No the war on drugs will never be won but it will help control the problem. Legalizing drugs will not cure the problems they cause either. Many agree that it would add to the problem.

onemorechance

gaffer91 wrote: »

They did a job, but a completely futile one. It is not addressing the bigger problem of the war on drugs, and patting the guards on the back for every drug seizure distracts from the bigger picture.

It is up to the police to enforce the law; it is up to the politicians and judiciary to define the laws. The police did a great job; seizing 350kg of about 80% purity and this guys calls it futile! :pac:

Tym

Biased because it cites zero studies and makes laughable claims like the one I pointed out.

Of course there would be a link.

Any high cuases a low (even in relation) and many teenagers would be using it to cover their own problems, so there would be a proven link regardles.