Jamaican Woodbine Sales Man Gets Death Penalty In UAE

saiint

amazing how they mention a 21 year old, whats special about him? i mean their are hundreds of british+ irish in these types of situations as well
theirs a fella in thailand who is waiting to be giving the death penalty, hes in his 40's

the death penalty over their is very common ha, specialy if you dont know what day your going to die, they dont tell you when , cause they only find out on that day that your going to be giving it


its his own fault, he knew the risks involved, if anything hes stupid for even trying to sell it in that country at all, would of been better off trying to sell it in ireland, he would of only got a warning haha

kingtiger

drunkmonkey wrote: »

FFS what planet are you all on.

Modern day heroes

vard

I agree with the death penalty for people who can not be reformed and comit serious crimes. IE, murderers or extremely violent thugs who constantly steal, hurt others and target the weak. The amount of money we spend taking care of the scum of the earth is sickening; did anyone see the Channel4 documentary Lifers? The criminals in there have TV's, playstations, gyms, rec rooms... they have it better than the majority of people on the outside - the taxpayers who fund their cushy new homes.

To sentence someone to death for this, however, is ridiculous; I wonder if he would have received a lesser sentence for murder or rape?

kingtiger

vard wrote: »

I wonder if he would have received a lesser sentence for murder or rape?

probably nothing would happen, but the woman he raped would more than likely be given a number of lashes for enticing him

thomasj

Ouch! Having said that it goes to show you should be studying all this stuff before visiting these countries. He might be lucky,..........

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/courts/drug-death-sentences-overturned-due-to-procedural-errors

Feisar

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

I have edited my post now that I've calmed down but seriously, I can't begin to describe how much I hate you for that comment and all the others who are justifying this sick ****ing situation.

100% **** anybody who thinks this is in any way justified. This is a straight up, government approved murder and it truly saddens me to see anybody defend barbarity like this.


Evil triumphs when good people do nothing.

Hate, a great way to start your campaign to change the world. No justification required, might is right and they are in charge. Simple as that.

Think about the oil barons and the corruption in these countries and then think of a 21 year old making a mistake........
It's a sick ****ing country.

RobbieTheRobber

vard wrote: »

I agree with the death penalty for people who can not be reformed and comit serious crimes. IE, murderers or extremely violent thugs who constantly steal, hurt others and target the weak. The amount of money we spend taking care of the scum of the earth is sickening; did anyone see the Channel4 documentary Lifers? The criminals in there have TV's, playstations, gyms, rec rooms... they have it better than the majority of people on the outside - the taxpayers who fund their cushy new homes.

To sentence someone to death for this, however, is ridiculous; I wonder if he would have received a lesser sentence for murder or rape?

yeah six other crimes get a death sentence in UAE

Drug dealing is one of six serious crimes that carry a maximum penalty of death under federal law. The others are terrorism, rape, espionage and converting from Islam.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/courts/uae-death-sentence-for-briton-and-syrian-to-face-significant-checks

pffffftttttttttt :pac:

Jay D

that's funny, I didn't try sneaking any in, never mind selling some in the UAE!! ffs who was it, Block or someone that got jail time cause he had a bit stuck to his showe (albeit I don't believe that version). That's really stupid.

Like I remember seeing on signs on Malaysia borders, flights into extreme prohibittation of drugs etc - be forewarned, death to drug traffickers.

Eh you knew.

pickarooney

Chuck Stone wrote: »

So execution is the price someone will pay for trying to trade a bit of vegetation that gives people a gentle buzz?

You couldn't make it up.

It would be fitting if he were stoned to death.

bnt

Why are you calling cannabis "woodbine"? That was a brand of cigarette in the UK half a century ago, nothing to do with cannabis at all.

As for the OP - well, that is part of what it means to be a sovereign nation, the authority to determine what are crimes and what the punishments are. In the UK there is already friction with the EU over interference with UK laws. (The UK is not a member of the Eurozone, but it is a member of the EU.)

deisedave

Chuck Stone wrote: »

So execution is the price someone will pay for trying to trade a bit of vegetation that gives people a gentle buzz?

You couldn't make it up.

I am not anti-weed quite the opposite probably but I agree that if he went to this country knowing the laws and broke them then tough siht.

Jester252

He won't die. The British government will get him off.

PhlegmyMoses

I think that the US should become the police of the World and we should all abide by their laws. Then they can go into Abu Dhabi and kill anyone involved in killing someone for selling weed. Or for being Muslim. Or for having long hair. After all, they would then have to abide by the laws of the world.

My point is that ridiculous laws are ridiculous laws. Just because a country is mental enough to kill someone for being gay or selling drugs, it doesn't mean that it serves these people right for not abiding by the law. It will always be wrong to execute somebody for these reasons.

mackeire

its £262 worth of hash. he could probably smoke that himself in a day or two. its not like someone is going to die from it.

Death is just a little harsh in this case. maybe a fine or a couple of weeks in jail would have been punishment enough!

Blazer

kryogen wrote: »

Earth, welcome!

If you can't obey the laws of the land maybe you shouldn't go there? Maybe you don't have to sell drugs to a stranger over there?

It is an incredibly draconian law, but it is the law of the land.

You break a law you have to be willing to accept the potential fallout.

What planet are you from?

Fair enough it's the law of their land.
Yet when it comes to Ireland/Western Countries etc suddenly our rules don't seem to apply to them. It's the double standards I hate.

karma_

southsiderosie wrote: »

Sorry, but I don't buy that. In most of these countries with strict drug laws, it is written on the customs form you fill out to enter the country in BIG BOLD LETTERS that the penalty for selling drugs is the death penalty. When I went to Malaysia last year, not only was it on all of the immigration forms, but the captain of the plane made an announcement about it before we landed.

I am anti-death penalty under any circumstances, but to say that someone who is an international drug trafficker is 'naive' about the stakes is a bit disingenuous.

Ahhh come on now rosie, 20g hardly elevates him to the echelons of the international drug trade, that's less than an Oz. FFS, I've went through that in less than a fortnight before.

TerrorFirmer

whiplashed wrote: »

A good friend of mine is in jail at the moment in the UAE and the Irish media have all but ignored it, despite the fact that he went on hunger strike for over three weeks recently and almost died (the Dubai Government finally promised to review his case and so he began eating again).

He shared a cell with over thirty inmates at one stage and the particular prison is notorious for murders over the smallest of arguments over quite trivial things. It's a hell hole. The prison in Midnight Run looks like paradise in comparison to some of the descriptions that I've heard.

His crime was that he did not know that the Government would hold back payment on construction work that his business had carried out, thereby making cheques the business wrote, bounce and even though the business was/is owed millions by the very Government charging him, it did not matter because signing a bounced cheque in the UAE almost guarantees a six to seven year jail term, which is what he got.

Another English guy from a few years back was imprisoned for "bouncing cheques" and a few weeks ago suffered a stroke:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/hunger-strike-briton-peter-margetts-suffers-stroke-in-dubai-prison-7828083.html

It's all very well saying 'don't do the crime' and 'when in rome' but these places don't give a fair hearing and quite often these people are not guilty of what they are being charged with.

That was actually in all the papers, read about it a week or two ago, they made reference to his hunger strike and appeal. Hope everything works out for him.

Aenaes

He won't even be executed. Of course it takes a death penalty sentencing against a "Westerner" to garner so much attention and horrified judgement against an oppressive way of life.
I'd be more concerned for the 17 year old they are "re-habilitating".

So people are here saying the UAE regime is barbaric and everything else and we also have the people supporting that builder jailed included in that. Which is strange since the drug-dealer and the builder obviously have no problem with the UAE system, wanting to visit/work there. Indeed, the builder was happily enough going to take their money. Since he's been jailed however, it's a totally different system and should be changed for him.

Anyway, think I'll go smuggle some stuff out of Thailand. They can't touch ME, I'm Irish.

mikom

Deleted User wrote: »

Here ya go..

Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Brunei
China
Egypt
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Kuwait
Laos
Malaysia
Oman
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Somalia
Sri Lanka
Taiwan
Thailand
Vietnam
United Arab Emirates
Zimbabwe

Edit: That's dealth penalty countries.. There's dozens of others where the prison time and conditions are so bad that they could be added to the list of places with savage laws. We're lucky in Ireland.

Even moreso if you are a woman, judging by their treatment in these bastions of civilisation...

haminka

JupiterKid wrote: »

I couldn't diasgree more.

I'm of the more enlightened opinion that regimes like UAE and Saudi Arabia are oppressive and wicked and should be pressured to change for the better. These regimes oppress their own people as well as that of the migrant workers who in Dubai build the skyscrapers and are treated worse than animals.

If we say "well, that's just the way it is etc." then nothing will change.

So let's start the revolution for the guys in the country by selling drugs? Come on, let's not pretend those two guys did it in order to protest the oppression of human rights in Saudi Arabia. They were stupid enough to have drugs on them in a country that treats it as a serious crime. They are punished by the laws of the country.
I don't agree with the harsh laws there but were I to live there, I'd have to respect them. Just like an Indian from a rain forest might find our habits of running around fully clothed dressed but they need to respect that being naked in public is a no go in our society - unless you are Jodie Marsh or Katie Price.

Scioch

The guy knew he was risking his life. If he jumped off a cliff because it didnt look that high would you all be saying oh poor old him he doesnt deserve to die for this one little mistake ? Or would ya be saying "Doesnt take a genius to know jumping off a cliff is gonna end badly, dont jump off a fcukin cliff if you dont want to get hurt idiot". ?

He knew the risks and knew the trouble he'd be in if caught and he gambled to make a few quid. Its his own fcukin fault and as much as I'd agree the laws out there are barbaric, he wasnt forced to go there, he didnt have these laws forced upon him. He went voluntarily an broke the laws voluntarily so fcuk him he'll have to answer for his crimes according to the laws he accepted to abide by when he entered the country voluntarily.

Father Damo

In all truth he will not be executed, or even do serious years. They are not idiots. More than likely he will be left in prison for 9 months with a death sentence hanging over him until eventually they release him.

PhlegmyMoses

haminka wrote: »

So let's start the revolution for the guys in the country by selling drugs? Come on, let's not pretend those two guys did it in order to protest the oppression of human rights in Saudi Arabia. They were stupid enough to have drugs on them in a country that treats it as a serious crime. They are punished by the laws of the country.
I don't agree with the harsh laws there but were I to live there, I'd have to respect them. Just like an Indian from a rain forest might find our habits of running around fully clothed dressed but they need to respect that being naked in public is a no go in our society - unless you are Jodie Marsh or Katie Price.

Yes, they do have to abide by our laws. They will not be killed if they do not. I don't think people are grasping the severity of ending somebody's life over a minor drug deal. It is horrific.

christmas2012

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Death Penalty for a young uk chap who sold 20g's of grass to an undercover brother. That's one hell of a penalty. :eek:

"A British man is facing the death penalty in the United Arab Emirates, the Foreign Office has confirmed.

A local news report claimed the unnamed Briton is a 21-year-old.

He was sentenced in Abu Dhabi alongside a 19-year-old Syrian man for selling an undercover police officer 20g of cannabis worth 1,500 UAE Dirhams (£262).

The Foreign Office was unable to confirm the details of the case, but a spokesman confirmed that it had been contacted.

He said: "I can confirm that a British national is facing death penalty in the UAE.

"We remain in close contact with the British national and his legal team and continue to provide consular assistance."

UAE newspaper the National reported that the man's mother collapsed outside the court after the sentence was passed.

It said a Sudanese co-defendant was jailed for a year for taking cannabis, while a 17-year-old Emirati was ordered to undergo rehabilitation."

http://news.sky.com/story/952691/drug-dealing-brit-faces-death-penalty-in-uae

Well that's one place I won't be visiting in a hurry.

i wouldnt say he is completely off the hook yet,lets hope he is it would be awful to see the death penalty imposed on him.but they state he is to face it and the sentence was passed.so it looks like it.i have heard other foreigners from neighbouring countries and beyond getting the death penatly,a malaysian maid got the death penatly in saudi arabia just recently..

haminka

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Yes, they do have to abide by our laws. They will not be killed if they do not. I don't think people are grasping the severity of ending somebody's life over a minor drug deal. It is horrific.

Of course people are. Seems like those two guys didn't. It is horrific, of course but they only have themselves and their own stupidity to blame. I can't understand it. People go over, they deal drugs, get drunk, have sex in public and then cry for western justice.

christmas2012

thats true if you dont understand the laws dont go over there i think is the main lesson people can learn,there are some parts you have to cover etc,or just not have sex in public!!!!:eek:

minidazzler

mishkalucy wrote: »

Have to agree with oppenheimer
When in Rome and all that.

You know the law of the land, do not disrespect it.

Or else face the music

When the law of the land is stupid you have a duty to not respect that law. The death penalty for 20 grammes of cannabis? Fcuk right off with those archaic fcuks.

PhlegmyMoses

haminka wrote: »

Of course people are. Seems like those two guys didn't. It is horrific, of course but they only have themselves and their own stupidity to blame. I can't understand it. People go over, they deal drugs, get drunk, have sex in public and then cry for western justice.

Right, can we get past the fact that they are responsible for their own actions? Let's take it as read. It's a trite observation that has been said many times on this thread.

The problem with this kind of thinking is that it completely absolves the UAE's penal system of the atrocities it commits in the name of the law.

And it's not just about this man. It's about whole populations having to abide by ludicrous laws such as this. Most people are happy with the criminalisation of drugs, which is fine, but death is the most permanent of punishments.

I'm against the death penalty completely but at least there is some kind of skewed, macabre logic to killing murderers and peadophiles. Logic is completely absent in this case.

Aenaes

minidazzler wrote: »

When the law of the land is stupid you have a duty to not respect that law. The death penalty for 20 grammes of cannabis? Fcuk right off with those archaic fcuks.

Does that mean you are getting the next plane to the UAE to sell 20 more grammes, thereby also getting arrested, giving that young man some moral support and increasing the media coverage/moral outrage against the UAE?

It is your duty.

mikom

3rdDegree wrote: »

Inference worked well in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The yanks were hinting?

christmas2012

christmas2012 wrote: »

a malaysian maid got the death penatly in saudi arabia just recently..

For what?
Flashing her knickers?

southsiderosie

minidazzler wrote: »

When the law of the land is stupid you have a duty to not respect that law. The death penalty for 20 grammes of cannabis? Fcuk right off with those archaic fcuks.

A key component of civil disobedience though is willingness to accept punishment for breaking unjust laws. Do people have a duty to risk execution just so people can be free to get high (or can get high with minimal repercussions?).

El Siglo

A relative of mine is working over in the middle east in health care and the amount of drug addicts is staggering, they've massive social problems that they just turn a blind eye to in places like the UAE, Saudi etc... It's not surprising they were so harsh but you'd think they would have just deported him and declared him persona non gratis or something? This business of 'doing the crime, doing the time' is ridiculous. If everyone had that mentality there would be no protest at the possible extradition of Richard O'Dwyer. He was selling drugs fair enough, but 20g of cannabis is worth the death penalty though? That's pretty harsh if you consider the amount of cannabis Howard Marks smuggled all over the world.

nyarlothothep

I find it pathetic that people are defending the death penalty for this guy (really sad states of affairs with jingoism, totalitarianism and so forth are just as likely these days it seems with this kind of herd/backwards mentality). Granted he was stupid but that doesn't justify such an overwhelming response. He should be punished but not with the forfeiting of his life.In any case there are plenty of retarded elements to different cultures. The when in Rome/cultural relativist argument is bollocks in this case.

karma_

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I find it pathetic that people are defending the death penalty for this guy (really sad states of affairs with jingoism, totalitarianism and so forth are just as likely these days it seems with this kind of herd/backwards mentality). Granted he was stupid but that doesn't justify such an overwhelming response. He should be punished but not with the forfeiting of his life.In any case there are plenty of retarded elements to different cultures. The when in Rome/cultural relativist argument is bollocks in this case.

“Just think of how stupid the average person After Hours poster is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!”

George Carlin.

southsiderosie

Well sorry if many of us are unable to feel sympathy for drug dealers.

I'm sick of people trying to justify their drug use by proxy. My family is from an area that has been decimated by gang wars over crack cocaine, and I wonder how cavalier many posters here would be if they had to deal with both the violence and the social fallout that this engenders. I am visiting my family now, and we can't even use the local swimming pool this summer because of regular shootouts in the surrounding areas. And apart from the violence is the human fallout: strung out zombies, crack babies, petty theft, and unemployment are rampant.

I am all for legalization of marijuana, but people who think that the use of hard drugs is 'harmless' are either kidding themselves, or don't live in an area where these drugs are heavily trafficked. So while I think the death penalty is over the top (and I would argue barbaric in any situation), and I understand that the protagonist in this case had a small amount of pot on him, I am sympathetic to governments that take a very hard line on hard drugs because the alternative is much, much worse.

pragmatic1

southsiderosie wrote: »

Well sorry if many of us are unable to feel sympathy for drug dealers.

I'm sick of people trying to justify their drug use by proxy. My family is from an area that has been decimated by gang wars over crack cocaine, and I wonder how cavalier many posters here would be if they had to deal with both the violence and the social fallout that this engenders. I am visiting my family now, and we can't even use the local swimming pool this summer because of regular shootouts in the surrounding areas. And apart from the violence is the human fallout: strung out zombies, crack babies, petty theft, and unemployment are rampant.

I am all for legalization of marijuana, but people who think that the use of hard drugs is 'harmless' are either kidding themselves, or don't live in an area where these drugs are heavily trafficked. So while I think the death penalty is over the top (and I would argue barbaric in any situation), and I understand that the protagonist in this case had a small amount of pot on him, I am sympathetic to governments that take a very hard line on hard drugs because the alternative is much, much worse.

It was a bit of weed ffs. Hardly worthy of the man losing his life over it. Ridiculous, barbaric and plain stupid.

Scioch

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I find it pathetic that people are defending the death penalty for this guy (really sad states of affairs with jingoism, totalitarianism and so forth are just as likely these days it seems with this kind of herd/backwards mentality). Granted he was stupid but that doesn't justify such an overwhelming response. He should be punished but not with the forfeiting of his life.In any case there are plenty of retarded elements to different cultures. The when in Rome/cultural relativist argument is bollocks in this case.

Nobody here is defending the death penalty just drawing the logical conclusion this this chap is an idiot and got himself into this mess. As I said its no different than jumping off a cliff and hoping to not get broke up too bad. He accepted the consequences of those actions when he entered the country.

He accepted the fact he may be put to death for doing this and he did it. Its not a case of "when in rome" its a case of HE agreed to abide by those laws when he went there. Too late to whinge about the barbarity of the laws now, after he went there, accepted them and acted like a complete fcukin idiot anyway.

Scioch

pragmatic1 wrote: »

It was a bit of weed ffs. Hardly worthy of the man losing his life over it. Ridiculous, barbaric and plain stupid.

Stupid is the guy going to the most backwards place on earth to sell the shít knowing he could be put to death for it.

If he does die I say give the man a darwin award.

Guy:Incognito

If you decide to sell drugs, why would you go and do it in a country has the death penalty for even tiny amounts

Its not like theres a shortage of customers elswhere.

Yamanoto

kryogen wrote: »

any Westerner going to the middle east knows the harsh punishments regarding drugs.

Actually, many Westerners are quite understandably unaware of the fact that seemingly innocuous over the counter & prescription medication can land you in serious trouble in the UAE.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/7801410/Dubai-warning-to-travellers-over-prescription-medicine.html#

http://www.fairtrials.net/press/article/list_of_controlled_pharmaceutical_substances_in_uae

Also, travellers can be subject to random urine testing at the discretion of immigration and security officials.

The Emirati authorities count the presence of drugs in the blood stream as possession.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/middle-east-north-africa/united-arab-emirates/

karma_

LordSmeg wrote: »

Nobody here is defending the death penalty just drawing the logical conclusion this this chap is an idiot and got himself into this mess. As I said its no different than jumping off a cliff and hoping to not get broke up too bad. He accepted the consequences of those actions when he entered the country.

He accepted the fact he may be put to death for doing this and he did it. Its not a case of "when in rome" its a case of HE agreed to abide by those laws when he went there. Too late to whinge about the barbarity of the laws now, after he went there, accepted them and acted like a complete fcukin idiot anyway.

And adulterers knew the rules dictate that they'll be stoned to death if caught....

Moronic argument.

mikom

Yamanoto wrote: »

The Emirati authorities count the presence of drugs in the blood stream as possession.

****in' muppets.

Time to spike the drink of my enemy.....

Scioch

karma_ wrote: »

And adulterers knew the rules dictate that they'll be stoned to death if caught....

Moronic argument.

How is it a moronic argument ? He decided to go live there and then decided to sell drugs knowing full well the consequences of his actions. Your saying he should be allowed to break whatever law he wants and not face full penalties just because he and other disagree with it ? How moronic is that ?

Guy:Incognito

karma_ wrote: »

And adulterers knew the rules dictate that they'll be stoned to death if caught....

Moronic argument.

Would you cheat if you knew that was the law? Again, plenty of place you can go and cheat in peace, why risk your life for it?

karma_

LordSmeg wrote: »

How is it a moronic argument ? He decided to go live there and then decided to sell drugs knowing full well the consequences of his actions. Your saying he should be allowed to break whatever law he wants and not face full penalties just because he and other disagree with it ? How moronic is that ?

I don't believe a woman should be buried neck deep and stoned to death for adultery nor do I believe that a man deserves the death penalty for selling less than an ounce of weed.

Guy:Incognito

karma_ wrote: »

I don't believe a woman should be buried neck deep and stoned to death for adultery nor do I believe that a man deserves the death penalty for selling less than an ounce of weed.

Yeah but the people that rule the UAE do.


So the best thing everyone can do is sleep with other peoples wives and do drugs eslwhere.

Scioch

karma_ wrote: »

I don't believe a woman should be buried neck deep and stoned to death for adultery nor do I believe that a man deserves the death penalty for selling less than an ounce of weed.

Neither do I which is why I dont agree to live by those laws by moving to a country that has them.