Abstract Reasoning

Izymunz

Really did not know where to put this thread, sorry.
Anyway I am at a good level but I really need to get at the top. I was wondering if anyone knew any good books from which I could practice, thanks.

Pushtrak

Well, this thread is fairly abstract. Just saying abstract in itself is abstract. Care to be more specific?

D1stant

Try the bible. Its really thick

Izymunz

Pushtrak wrote: »

Well, this thread is fairly abstract. Just saying abstract in itself is abstract. Care to be more specific?

Sorry, I mean, tasks like distinguishing patterns amidst a jumbled row of pictures or something. I do not exactly know how to explain it but let me try and describe it to you...
You are given say 3 boxes that each contain various shapes something different is happening to each shape in the three boxes to reach a conclusion that you must figure out by picking the right shape that fits into the fourth ( you will be given options for this as well!)

Izymunz

D1stant wrote: »

Try the bible. Its really thick

Jesus Christ, cheers for that!

El Weirdo

Izymunz wrote: »

Sorry, I mean, tasks like distinguishing patterns amidst a jumbled row of pictures or something. I do not exactly know how to explain it but let me try and describe it to you...
You are given say 3 boxes that each contain various shapes something different is happening to each shape in the three boxes to reach a conclusion that you must figure out by picking the right shape that fits into the fourth ( you will be given options for this as well!)

What the fucking fuck?

_LilyRose_

Izymunz wrote: »

Sorry, I mean, tasks like distinguishing patterns amidst a jumbled row of pictures or something. I do not exactly know how to explain it but let me try and describe it to you...
You are given say 3 boxes that each contain various shapes something different is happening to each shape in the three boxes to reach a conclusion that you must figure out by picking the right shape that fits into the fourth ( you will be given options for this as well!)

I think the OP means something like those questions in aptitude tests (DATS or HPAT maybe?) where you have finish a sequence of seemingly random images by working out a pattern?

Where To

I can do abstraction

2-1=1
3-1=2
4-1=3

May I suggest buying a sums book OP

I think Easons have them.

southcentralts

Is it like reading something like this

Izymunz wrote: »

Sorry, I mean, tasks like distinguishing patterns amidst a jumbled row of pictures or something. I do not exactly know how to explain it but let me try and describe it to you...
You are given say 3 boxes that each contain various shapes something different is happening to each shape in the three boxes to reach a conclusion that you must figure out by picking the right shape that fits into the fourth ( you will be given options for this as well!)

and making sense of it?

gaffer91

Play chess.

Scioch

Izymunz wrote: »

Sorry, I mean, tasks like distinguishing patterns amidst a jumbled row of pictures or something. I do not exactly know how to explain it but let me try and describe it to you...
You are given say 3 boxes that each contain various shapes something different is happening to each shape in the three boxes to reach a conclusion that you must figure out by picking the right shape that fits into the fourth ( you will be given options for this as well!)

You wanna be autistic is that what ya mean ?

Sinfonia

Here's a toughie :P

Chuck Stone

I can't do sums.

Izymunz

Where To wrote: »

I can do abstraction

2-1=1
3-1=2
4-1=3

May I suggest buying a sums book OP

I think Easons have them.

. Seriously, do you not have anything better to do! Thanks for making me feel like ****. I am sorry for ****ing up the english language.

Where To

Izymunz wrote: »

. Seriously, do you not have anything better to do! Thanks for making me feel like ****. I am sorry for ****ing up the english language.

Are you abstractly hitting on me OP?:pac:

The Radiator

Class

humbert

It sounds like you want to improve your logical reasoning to do better on some sort of aptitude test.

PrincessLola

Izymunz wrote: »

Sorry, I mean, tasks like distinguishing patterns amidst a jumbled row of pictures or something. I do not exactly know how to explain it but let me try and describe it to you...
You are given say 3 boxes that each contain various shapes something different is happening to each shape in the three boxes to reach a conclusion that you must figure out by picking the right shape that fits into the fourth ( you will be given options for this as well!)

There is a lot to be said for clarity and good sentence structure though

Just say'n

Sindri

PrincessLola wrote: »

There is a lot to be said for clarity and good sentence structure though

Just say'n

Well go ahead and start your own to thread to say it.

The Radiator

PrincessLola wrote: »

There is a lot to be said for clarity and good sentence structure though

Just say'n

His/Her post was quite easily understood, you must have comprehending issues

Zillah

Izymunz wrote: »

Sorry, I mean, tasks like distinguishing patterns amidst a jumbled row of pictures or something. I do not exactly know how to explain it but let me try and describe it to you...
You are given say 3 boxes that each contain various shapes something different is happening to each shape in the three boxes to reach a conclusion that you must figure out by picking the right shape that fits into the fourth ( you will be given options for this as well!)

This is remarkable.

humberklog

Izymunz wrote: »

Sorry, I mean, tasks like distinguishing patterns amidst a jumbled row of pictures or something. I do not exactly know how to explain it but let me try and describe it to you...
You are given say 3 boxes that each contain various shapes something different is happening to each shape in the three boxes to reach a conclusion that you must figure out by picking the right shape that fits into the fourth ( you will be given options for this as well!)

Bingo!

Zillah

Here, if you can understand all of this then you've become a master of abstract reasoning.

Also, here is a what a fourth dimensional analogue to the cube looks like as it rotates: Cilck.

Sorry, brains.

Agent Weebley

Izymunz wrote: »

Abstract Reasoning
Really did not know where to put this thread, sorry.
Anyway I am at a good level but I really need to get at the top. I was wondering if anyone knew any good books from which I could practice, thanks.

Top level abstraction is definitely the pinnacle, Izymunz, as all lower levels of abstraction will always lead one to wonder: can anything or anyone be more abstract than this? . . . knowing full well that by just asking the question about deeper abstraction possibilities is proof positive that there must be missed abstraction - just by having those conscious thoughts about there being deeper or higher level abstraction awaiting you, yet invisible to you or beyond you, while you think those thoughts. Not to mention the juxtaposed depth and height of abstraction operating simultaneously is an abstract notion in itself; one wonders can we ever reach the bottom, locate and scratch that itch of abstraction while living, or is total abstraction the stuff of the afterlife, where we will be raised to the highest or lowest abstraction level possible?

Is this the type of abstract thinking you seek?

Even the Dalai Lama needs lessons in abstract thinking, which is really synaptic thinking, much like clicking links on the neural net. Go to YouTube and key in this search string: perth australia dalai lama one with everything

[sorry, but I cannot post the link, as I am on link parole]

My name is URL

Where To wrote: »

I can do abstraction

2-1=1
3-1=2
4-1=3

May I suggest buying a sums book OP

I think Easons have them.

13 x 7 = 28

Abbot and Costello proved it in 1946.. using abstract reasoning =p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLprXHbn19I

Dangerous Man

If you're trying to improve scores for an aptitude / IQ test your best best... is to practice. Most of those tests (particularly online ones, which can't test for memory retention) can be repeated and what you'll notice is the repeating of certain patterns. That's not necessarily because the same patterns are repeating but more because you've trained your brain, through repetition, to seek out patterns.

That's why I thanked the poster earlier who recommended chess. Recognizing patterns is at the heart of Chess. If you doubt that, watch a 5 minute blitz between world class players. Mind-boggling stuff.

Agent Weebley

Dangerous Man wrote: »

If you're trying to improve scores for an aptitude / IQ test your best best... is to practice. Most of those tests (particularly online ones, which can't test for memory retention) can be repeated and what you'll notice is the repeating of certain patterns. That's not necessarily because the same patterns are repeating but more because you've trained your brain, through repetition, to seek out patterns.

That's why I thanked the poster earlier who recommended chess. Recognizing patterns is at the heart of Chess. If you doubt that, watch a 5 minute blitz between world class players. Mind-boggling stuff.

How about Celtic Chess - Fidhcheall style? Invented by Lugh, the Irish god of light?

One King. 49 squares. 21 players . . . random chance - zero.

Do you happen to know the rules for that one?

Mance Rayder

Pointless tread.

PrincessLola

The Radiator wrote: »

His/Her post was quite easily understood, you must have comprehending issues

not cool.

flutterflye

I'm really good at that.
I did some test in 4th year in school and I scored in the top 1 percentile in the country.
I don't know if you can really learn it?
Is it not just something you either have or don't have?
I guess just practice a whole bunch of those type of questions.
Why do you want to get better at it anyway?

mawk

these tests are known as psychometrics. I presume op has a job competency test coming up.

smash

flutterflye wrote: »

I did some test in 4th year in school and I scored in the top 1 percentile in the country.

You don't do any real tests in 4th year so they tell everyone that result to make them feel good.

Tigger

Mance Rayder wrote: »

Pointless tread.

Tyre tread or stair tread

It's a ****ing thread

flutterflye

smash wrote: »

You don't do any real tests in 4th year so they tell everyone that result to make them feel good.

Okay

I am good at it though!
It's one of the only things I'm good at!
Now you've ruined my whole day

smash

flutterflye wrote: »

Okay

I am good at it though!
It's one of the only things I'm good at!
Now you've ruined my whole day

ok I'll let you have it this time then.

Ruire

This the test you were thinking of? http://www.erc.ie/index.php?p=41

I did it in 3rd year, and scored in the top 1% for Abstract Reasoning. I also downright flunked most everything else.

The guidance counsellor thought all this amusing.

flutterflye

Ruire wrote: »

This the test you were thinking of? http://www.erc.ie/index.php?p=41

I did it in 3rd year, and scored in the top 1% for Abstract Reasoning. I also downright flunked most everything else.

The guidance counsellor thought all this amusing.

No idea!
Probably.
And I was the same - shyte at everything else!
I had to do another one of those type tests a few years ago too when they were testing me for dyslexia - and pretty much the same results - very good at abstract reasoning - useless at everything else!

Ruire

flutterflye wrote: »

No idea!
Probably.
And I was the same - shyte at everything else!
I had to do another one of those type tests a few years ago too when they were testing me for dyslexia - and pretty much the same results - very good at abstract reasoning - useless at everything else!

I was recommended to go study maths, and then said guidance counsellor remembered how I'd failed my mock maths exam.

Cee-Jay-Cee

OP could you not have made up something simpler to write about like your kittens have gone missing in your laundry basket or something else that we could retort with witty/smutty remarks.

If you had posted the above I would have asked "when did you last see your pussy?"