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    #62
    Jnealon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Jnealon


    TakeaBowSon wrote: »
    The Gardai policy states that a dual path fail (PSTN+GSM), (as is the case with anyone with a CSL Dualcom unit) unit will not receive a Garda response.It is not a verified alarm and will only receive a key holder response at best. This policy is different to the UK where such a dual path failure will receive a police response.However such a response in the UK will incur a call out charge to the owner of the premises in the event of it being a false alarm.

    I've said that on here before, 15 mins for an arc to action a dual path fail for the "international" dualcom is too long. Wouldn't want to be a key holder attending a site with a dual path fail.


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    #63
    Thunderbird2
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    Can gsm's not be setup to only stay on the one network ie Vodafone . I thought jammers replicated a network and the gsm unit connected to it?


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    #64
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    It doesn't matter what the network is,or whether it's roaming or fixed. All GSM can be jammed.No exception, no excuses.


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    #65
    Thunderbird2
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    but there has to be a way around it .. Can radio transmit exact alarm events?? Ie alarm z2 back door .


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    #66
    KoolKid
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    Yes radio can send contact Id.


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    #67
    Stephen868
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    Thunderbird2 wrote: »
    Can radio transmit exact alarm events?? Ie alarm z2 back door .

    Contact ID can only send a Zone number but not the Zone Name.


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    #68
    Thunderbird2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Thunderbird2


    Can radio systems be jammed?


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    #69
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Stephen868 wrote: »
    Contact ID can only send a Zone number but not the Zone Name.

    But the central station will have the zone names :confused:
    Radio can not be jammed ,unless you are expecting Enemy of the State types to break into your home.


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    #70
    Thunderbird2
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    How long till it can be ?


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    #71
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    The technology is secure. I am not going to debate unknown future scenarios just for the sake of argument.


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    #72
    Thunderbird2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Thunderbird2


    KoolKid wrote: »
    The technology is secure. I am not going to debate unknown future scenarios just for the sake of argument.
    I'm not trying to argue . I was asking a genuine question. How long did it take before GSMs could be jammed?


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    #73
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Radio is not the same as GSM. That's what we're trying to tell you. GSM is the same the world over (hence it's name) Radio works via a private network. Each network will be individual with its own receivers and relay stations. For that reason alone its unlikely there will ever be a generic unit like there is for GSM.


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    #74
    altor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,719 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Thunderbird2 wrote: »
    Can gsm's not be setup to only stay on the one network ie Vodafone . I thought jammers replicated a network and the gsm unit connected to it?

    The world sim will roam to the strongest network. A standard GSM will just have a sim that is on the one network.

    www.altor.ie



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    #75
    altor
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    Thunderbird2 wrote: »
    Can radio systems be jammed?

    Anything that gives out a signal can be jammed thunderbird2.

    www.altor.ie



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    #76
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    KoolKid wrote: »
    It doesn't matter what the network is,or whether it's roaming or fixed. All rights GSM can be jammed.No exception, no excuses.

    Actually not strictly true. The radio signals can be jammed but good game modules use a combination of detecting jamming on frequency hopping in conjunction with a regular gprs or 3g polling to allow monitoring to detect a jamming situation so you still get a call.


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    #77
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    The one device will still jam all networks. Some devices can be selective to bands & or data etc. As with all GSM it could not be trusted. As already stated polling fail or duel path fail is not verified alarm & will not get Garda repsonse here.


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    #78
    Thunderbird2
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    KoolKid wrote: »
    The one device will still jam all networks. Some devices can be selective to bands & or data etc. As with all GSM it could not be trusted. As already stated polling fail or duel path fail is not verified alarm & will not get Garda repsonse here.

    If a radio poll is not received will it get a Garda response?


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    #79
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Radios don't poll as such .
    No comms failure will get Garda Response regardless of whether its single or duel path. The whole point of the radio is it is more secure. The signals can not be jammed with out very specialist equipment & very specialist knowledge. We are talking about whats the most secure form of monitoring, not James Bond or the CIA breaking into your house.
    In my years in this industry I have seen PSTN dalliers fail & I have seen GSM fail . I have seen GSM jammers working & I can tell you I wouldn't trust one.
    The video on AC24 explains it pretty well.


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