BMW (Bad) Service

mickdw

RoverJames wrote: »

1) Surely when buying a 2008 BMW you'd expect it to be serviced at time of sale?

With the condition based servicing and seeing as it was on a free service plan from bmw, it doesnt follow that it would be serviced at time of sale if there were no items needing attention. I dont quite agree with that but thats the way they have gone.

declan_8

bazz26 wrote: »

Afaik it is the quality of the chain itself that is the issue. BMW should be forced to recall these engines.

Yes I think there should be a recall from BMW for this. I too have an N47 engine with 37K on it and if it where to fail it would be gut wrenching to say the least. :eek:

I think there should be some sort of combined compliant to BMW to put pressure on them. Something similiar like this happened with the VW group where they had issues with the injectors in the 2.0 diesels and after so many compliants and even a report on watchdog done they eventually agreed to a recall to replace all injectors on the 2006 to 2008 models with the issue. Maybe something similiar should be done for BMW as this engine is every where on the road, E60, E90, E92 etc

irelandjoe

declan_8 wrote: »

bazz26 wrote: »

Afaik it is the quality of the chain itself that is the issue. BMW should be forced to recall these engines.

Yes I think there should be a recall from BMW for this. I too have an N47 engine with 37K on it and if it where to fail it would be gut wrenching to say the least. :eek:

I think there should be some sort of combined compliant to BMW to put pressure on them. Something similiar like this happened with the VW group where they had issues with the injectors in the 2.0 diesels and after so many compliants and even a report on watchdog done they eventually agreed to a recall to replace all injectors on the 2006 to 2008 models with the issue. Maybe something similiar should be done for BMW as this engine is every where on the road, E60, E90, E92 etc

Get yours checked also. I hear no noise from mine but told by bmw that there is. They didn't spend the time with me to show me exactly what it is. They just expect me to drop 6k without asking questions.

2nd opinions next week and will take it from there.

irelandjoe

mickdw wrote: »

With the condition based servicing and seeing as it was on a free service plan from bmw, it doesnt follow that it would be serviced at time of sale if there were no items needing attention. I dont quite agree with that but thats the way they have gone.

You are right. In fact when I dropped it to the garage first they said it wasn't due even though the Car computer was telling it was. They then checked again and said they would service (Oil / brake fluid / Micro Filters), Car has now completed 3 services with 37K miles (60K Klm)

irelandjoe

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Did your research take place before or after the purchase and the problem?

Just wondering.

No only started researching this problem after I bought it. Again Going to an indy BMW specialist for 2nd opinion.

irelandjoe

Update:
Indy garage looked at car and confirmed an issue. however they would not change the crankshaft as they say at this stage it would be unlikely that that is needed. I also called a BMW Dealer in the North and they said the same thing. the cost would be significantly less with that part omitted.

On another note I may be entitled to a refund of my VRT should I return the car to the UK.

I am waiting to see if garage in UK will take the car back. Will not hold my breathe though.

mickdw

Surely best solution is for seller to have the car repaired or is he refusing?

The Tyre Dude

Not yet another BMW engine design flaw?! Nikasil, Vanos, Swirl flaps, failing Turbos, lousy cooling systems and now this. I used to be the be a big fan of the marque but their engineering seems to be pure junk these days.

irelandjoe

mickdw wrote: »

Surely best solution is for seller to have the car repaired or is he refusing?

not refusing but to willing to pay the 5800 being quoted.

irelandjoe

update: I have now been quoted from 3 other garages all quoting a third LESS then my original quote 2 of the other garages are Authorised BMW dealers. Me thinks the first Garage was trying it on......

I am still waiting to hear if the seller will take the car back but if I get the car repaired at BMW they give a 2 year Parts and Labour warranty on the engine. With this car ony done 37K that might be an option if the seller will not take the car back and agree to pay the lower repair cost.

I think its shocking that a garage can quote 3 times, the other garages where shocked at what I was quoted. I will not name and shame just yet. but I will be reporting this to BMW not that it will make any difference.

I will keep you posted on how I get on.

voteforpedro

How is changing the timing chain so expensive?? circa €4k???

irelandjoe

voteforpedro wrote: »

How is changing the timing chain so expensive?? circa €4k???

I was quoted €5800 by a local BMW dealer. They have to remove the engine ... Charging 2700+vat labour.

They are also priced for changing the crankshaft which they said BMW recommend. All other dealers I have spoken with say that is rubbish.

Is a Joke IMO.

And for the pleasure get bad attitude and rudeness by one of the staff. Not just experience by me if you see my initial post.

Nonoperational

So what's the best price you can get now?

Shows one drawback of buying in the UK I suppose.

If you could get it fixed you'd still have a very nice motor that would in all liklihood give you no more issues in the near future.

If you weren't so such of the FSH I'd say it was a prime candidate for being clocked...

voteforpedro

irelandjoe wrote: »

I was quoted €5800 by a local BMW dealer. They have to remove the engine ... Charging 2700+vat labour.

They are also priced for changing the crankshaft which they said BMW recommend. All other dealers I have spoken with say that is rubbish.

Is a Joke IMO.

And for the pleasure get bad attitude and rudeness by one of the staff. Not just experience by me if you see my initial post.

Bet u i can guess the dealer with the quote/attitude of €5800 too :mad:

irelandjoe

irelandjoe wrote: »

update: I have now been quoted from 3 other garages all quoting a third LESS then my original quote 2 of the other garages are Authorised BMW dealers. .................
I think its shocking that a garage can quote 3 times, the other garages where shocked at what I was quoted. ...............

I'm a bit lost tbh, was the original quote 3 times more or were the latest quotes 1/3 less?

Heroditas

Have you tried ringing Bavaria in Belfast to see if they would offer a quote?
BMW dealers up in NI are quite a bit cheaper for servicing than down here.

AltAccount

irelandjoe wrote: »

I am still waiting to hear if the seller will take the car back...

Have you nailed down whether you can claim back the VRT yet?

irelandjoe

gpf101 wrote: »

So what's the best price you can get now?

Shows one drawback of buying in the UK I suppose.

If you could get it fixed you'd still have a very nice motor that would in all liklihood give you no more issues in the near future.

If you weren't so such of the FSH I'd say it was a prime candidate for being clocked...

I guess. I agree I checked the mileage, verified and saw the FSH with BMW. So was happy to buy. One dealer I spoke with told me he has seen these chain's fail at 20K. BMW should take notice.

ongarite

voteforpedro wrote: »

How is changing the timing chain so expensive?? circa €4k???

Chain is against the bulkhead so it involved removing engine and gearbox and then a lot of the engine has to be stripped down to replace chain and tensioner.
Someone has posted a pic guide of it online.

Arciphel

Why would the "top notch" engineers at BMW design an engine in this way, it beggars belief. Do they do it deliberately or something?

irelandjoe

AltAccount wrote: »

Have you nailed down whether you can claim back the VRT yet?

Shockingly yes I can. Because the fault was found within 7 days of VRT registration, I have a fantastic case and have been told I will.... I have to provide a bunch of evidence etc which would be no problem.

I have a few things I need to think about

1. Will I be happy to get the car repaired... Will every little noise get me wondering something else is wrong (2 year warranty will help me have some piece of mind )

2. If the seller agrees to exchange the car I have the hassle of getting car back to UK, getting VRT refund, Getting a new car in and getting it registered etc etc.

The next few days will tell a lot as I wait for the seller to call me, BMW head office to call be back and one more final quote to come back from another dealer.

What I nightmare this has been.

irelandjoe

ongarite wrote: »

Chain is against the bulkhead so it involved removing engine and gearbox and then a lot of the engine has to be stripped down to replace chain and tensioner.
Someone has posted a pic guide of it online.

If you can point me to that guide I would love to see it!

Nissan doctor

Its listed as a 13 hour job in labour alone so it will be expensive.

Its very unlikely that the crank would need changing and you could probably still get the same job done for close on half the price in a reputable independent garage still using genuine parts.

If BMW are refusing to acknowledged the problem(which is their brief from Germany) then I wouldn't be giving them the money to fix it.

irelandjoe

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Its listed as a 13 hour job in labour alone so it will be expensive.

Its very unlikely that the crank would need changing and you could probably still get the same job done for close on half the price in a reputable independent garage still using genuine parts.

If BMW are refusing to acknowledged the problem(which is their brief from Germany) then I wouldn't be giving them the money to fix it.

I have been quoted €1900 by an indy for the Job with 6 month warranty and about €2300 by an authorised BMW dealer to do it with a 2 year warranty.

I know what you saying about giving BMW the money but would be my preference at that...... I still can't understand the other garage trying to charge me €5800....

irelandjoe

voteforpedro wrote: »

Bet u i can guess the dealer with the quote/attitude of €5800 too :mad:

bet you can too !!!!!

irelandjoe

Heroditas wrote: »

Have you tried ringing Bavaria in Belfast to see if they would offer a quote?
BMW dealers up in NI are quite a bit cheaper for servicing than down here.

Aye. Waiting to get price.

Arciphel

Arciphel wrote: »

Why would the "top notch" engineers at BMW design an engine in this way, it beggars belief. Do they do it deliberately or something?

You can be sure it wasn't deliberate anyway
The design may or may not be fine, the issue could be in the components which no doubt match the design and user specifications.

Depending on the actual occurrence of the issue on these engines the lack of admission that there is an issue by BMW is worse than the actual issue imo.

Things go wrong, how they're dealt with can make up for them going wrong in many cases.

€2300 sounds like a very decent price in fairness, of course it is for work that one wouldn't expect to need doing.

mickdw

Surely there is no issue with posting a list of the garages and the quote they gave?

irelandjoe

mickdw wrote: »

Surely there is no issue with posting a list of the garages and the quote they gave?

I will have to defer that question to a mod. I do not want to Name and shame at this time.

Nissan doctor

irelandjoe wrote: »

I will have to defer that question to a mod. I do not want to Name and shame at this time.

But you aren't naming and shaming, you are simply posting quotes that you've been given.

I can make a fairly safe guess at which BMW dealer is giving you the 5k+ price but having said that, if they are changing the crank in that price(if its needed or not is another question) then its not comparable to the other quotes as a crank alone is likely going to be around 2k on its own.:eek:

irelandjoe

Nissan doctor wrote: »

But you aren't naming and shaming, you are simply posting quotes that you've been given.

I can make a fairly safe guess at which BMW dealer is giving you the 5k+ price but having said that, if they are changing the crank in that price(if its needed or not is another question) then its not comparable to the other quotes as a crank alone is likely going to be around 2k on its own.:eek:

Crank is €1200 I guess extra labour is required.

I am going to request crank quotes also from all garages as from what I am reading not changing the crank will just mean the chains will have to be done again if the crank is not done.

Just found this also

It is a known issue but unofficial.
The crankshaft sprocket has been redesigned since.

"There are 3 "features" with this engine that come together to create a nightmare.
Firstly, they decided to make an unusual choice of putting the timing chain at the back of the engine which means the engine needs to be removed from the car to inspect anything.
Secondly, they have timing chain tensioner issues which can result in a grinding or rubbing sound which is something that is documented.
Thirdly, the cog that drives everything is friction welded onto the crankshaft and they have had a poor finish resulting to excessive wear to the chain, and you can't just replace the cog, the entire crankshaft needs to be replaced which is an expensive part."

ongarite

irelandjoe wrote: »

If you can point me to that guide I would love to see it!

Here you go:
http://www.bmwfaq.com/f151/nuevos-casos-de-rotura-cadena-de-motor-n47-bmw-320d-177-184cv-fotos-ciguenal-578548/

Nonoperational

€2300 with 2 year warranty, get as much as possible from the dealer in the UK and forget about it. That's what I'd do anyway.

irelandjoe

Update:
UK dealer agreed to take car back for Full refund or exchange. Ferry booked for Monday..... For that I am 100% grateful apart from the expensive I have had in transporting the car etc but that is part of the risk / expense when you buy in the UK.

My last 1 hour conversation I had with BMW IRELAND where they admitted to me on the phone that there IS a problem with the Timing Chain / Crankshaft in the N47 engine (I have asked to get a recording of our conversation) but BMW are choosing NOT to do anything about it ! I think this is SHOCKING. I got the impression I was talking to myself and that what I had said was being said to him the 20th time that day. He was well versed in what he had to say. Which was very little.

They are letting drivers get out of warranty and getting hit with massive repair bills. I guess it's win win for BMW.

BTW I was advised by a Garage up north that they did the exact job 3 weeks ago at a cost to the owner of £5500 :eek: So the first Garage I was quoted by was not far off !!!! i just wish their attitude was different and the entire ordeal would have been a little easier to swallow.

At the VERY least BMW should issue FREE inspections for all affected models to see if there is a problem because in most cases drivers do not know they have an issue until the Timing Chain snaps or while in for an inspection it's spotted..

Now Lets hope the car makes it back to UK with no issues. Will update all if I get anything fresh.

mickdw

And vrt refund? Have you confirmed that you can get it back?

The Tyre Dude

Thanks for the update OP. It really is a shocking design flaw to put the chain at the bulkhead side, even if the chain arrangement didn't have a design flaw, odds are it would need to be replaced in the lifetime of the car, so engine out time and €2000+ bill.

I would be looking to get this issue some exposure (media or otherwise) any way you can. BMW's attitude seems very poor. It certainly would put me off buying any car with that engine.

irelandjoe

Tigger wrote: »

this is why i drive a ford

Most likely what I will change to!

irelandjoe

mickdw wrote: »

And vrt refund? Have you confirmed that you can get it back?

Yes because of the timings I will get a full refund once I provide the required evidence. I am very luck in that respect

irelandjoe

The Tyre Dude wrote: »

Thanks for the update OP. It really is a shocking design flaw to put the chain at the bulkhead side, even if the chain arrangement didn't have a design flaw, odds are it would need to be replaced in the lifetime of the car, so engine out time and €2000+ bill.

I would be looking to get this issue some exposure (media or otherwise) any way you can. BMW's attitude seems very poor. It certainly would put me off buying any car with that engine.

I completely intent to. I will be requesting audio of my conversation with BMW where they admitted there is an issue with the engine and sending it to watchdog.

Others will and have been caught out.

The Tyre Dude

My Spanish is not so hot but from the previous link is this not a list of people affected on that Spanish forum alone?


@rrier / 118d Febrero 2008 / Problema distribución Septiembre 2010. Presupuesto 3.000€
Adrilm / 320d / Reparación de distribución en Julio de 2008 con 9.000 kms
agustin22 / e87 Julio 2007 / Problema distribución con 98.000 kms. Presupuesto 1.700€
Aida / 118d / Rotura de cadena en Diciembre de 2011.
aitor_akerdia / 118d del 2010 / Reparación distribución en garantía con 32.000 kms
Akukun / 320d / Problema distribución Diciembre 2011 fuera de garantía. Presupuesto 3.542€
alberlopes / 118d Dic 2008 / Reparación distribución en Sep 2010 con 58.000 kms en garantía. Pagó 80€ por los "fluidos del coche"
alberogu / 120d / Reparación distribución
alfonso77 / 118d Marzo 2008 / Reparación distribución Mayo 2012. Coste 1.280€
AlvaroDim / 118d (en su taller) / Rotura de Cadena de Distribución
AlvaroDim / 118d (en su taller) / Rotura de Cadena de Distribución con 27.000 kms
andytheboss / 118d del 2010 / Reparación distribución a los 42.000 kms
angel72 / 118d del 2008 / Reparación distribución Diciembre 2008
Antonybmw / 118d del 2008 / Reparación distribución Julio 2009
artsaib / 118d Junio 2011 / Reparación distribución en 2012 con 18.500 kms
Baby 83 / 118d 2007 / Rotura Cadena Distribución con 122.000 kms. 5.700€ + IVA
bakito / 118d Julio 2008 / Reparación distribución con 90.000 kms
bayern / e87 Abril 2008 / Reparación distribución Diciembre 2009
bcalleja / 116d (de su mujer) / Reparación distribución Junio 2011
bhc / 120d Noviembre 2007 / Reparación distribución a los 57.000 kms
BlackHorse / 118d Junio 2007 / Reparación distribución Junio 2009 con 19.900 kms
BLACKTEKO / 116d Junio 2009 / Reparación distribución a los 18.000 kms. Vuelta del seseo y cambio de motor a los 29.000 kms
BMW-E39-Alpina / 118d del 2008 / Rotura de Cadena de Distribución en Dic 2011 con 97.000 kms. Motor nuevo, pagó 820€
BNT118d / 118d Junio 2008 / Reparación distribución y luego cambio de motor. Vendió el coche
bonsi / 320d Octubre 2009 / Reparación de distribución en Febrero de 2010
Bugas / 116d Mayo 2011 / Reparación de distribución en Mayo de 2012 con 23.000 kms
cabrilla / 320d del 2010 / 2 Reparaciones de distribución en garantía
cadenadistribucionbmw / 118d Abril 2007 / Rotura Cadena Distribución Julio 2011
CAMESELLE / 118d / Reparación distribución
caremol / 118d Diciembre 2007 / Cambio motor problemas distribución Feb 2011 con 49.000 kms. Garantía Premium Selection
Celaneseop / 320d del 2007 / Reparación distribución a los 27.000 kms
cesaralpin / 118d Noviembre 2009 / Reparación distribución a los 17.000 kms
CHARRO MONTANA / 116d Abril 2009 / Reparación distribución Abril 2011
chem / 118d del 2008 / Reparación distribución Noviembre 2009 con 22.000 kms
chete007 / 118d Agosto 2008 / Reparación distribución a los 20.000 kms
Chus118 / 320d Agosto 2010 / Reparación distribución en 2011
clockwork orange / 118d Enero 2008 / Reparación distribución
confer / 120d 2007 / 2ª Reparación de distribución Septiembre 2011 con 74.000 kms
coper / 116d / Problema distribución Enero 2011
Copyright(c) / 118d Septiembre 2007 / Reparación de distribución en Junio de 2012 con 97.000 kms
cris63 / 320d Abril 2009 / Reparación de Distribución a los 11.000 kms
crOss / e87 del 2010 / Reparación distribución Marzo 2012 con 44.000 kms
damian19 / 120d / Problemas de Distribución. Vendió el coche
Daniel61 / 118d Enero 2008 (de su mujer) / Rotura de distribución en Mayo 2012 con 87.230 kms. Esperando presupuesto
Daroma (ahora es Ro///Ma) / 118d / Reparación distribución Septiembre 2011
david_pitu / 118d Marzo 2008 / Reparación distribución
davidr / e87 / Reparación distribución en garantía (al mes de reparar vuelta del seseo)
Denisserie1 / e87 / Reparación distribución Septiembre 2011 con 38.000 kms
Dfuente / 118d Agosto 2007 / Problema distribución a los 14.000 kms
DiegoLM / 118d del 2007 / Reparación distribución
Dito59 / 116d Diciembre 2009 / Reparación distribución Noviembre 2011
DjMody / 118d Nov 2007/ 2 Rep distribución. Cambio de motor a los 65.000 kms y otra reparación de distribución en ese motor nuevo
dodito831 / 118d / Cambio de motor a los 17.000 kms por problemas distribución. A los 30.000 kms seseo en motor nuevo
Dr. A / 320d Noviembre 2007 / Reparación de distribución en Enero 2009 en garantía
Ducatisnumber1 / 118d 2007 / Rotura de motor con 75.000 kms por desprendimiento de dos tornillos del piñon de la distribución.
el pelicano / 116d / Reparación distribución a los 22.000 kms
ElPutoAmo / 118d Diciembre 2008 / Reparación distribución a los 32.000 kms
EQUANT / 320d / Reparación distribución
er_tyto / 320d Mayo 2007 / 2 Motores Nuevos por problemas de Distribución
erbubo / 120d Enero 2008 / Rotura de Cadena Abril 2012 con 223.000 kms. Pagó 5.300€ por un motor nuevo
eth / 120d Diciembre 2008 / Reparación distribución Junio 2010 con 34.000 kms
Fenoy / 118d Mayo 2008 / Rotura Cadena Distribución Julio 2011 con 81.000 kms
Fenoy /520d 2008 (de su hermano)/ Rotura Cadena 2011 con 140.000 kms. 9.000€
Ferac / 118d del 2007 / Problema de distribución con 130.000 kms. Presupuesto 4.000€
fexpa / 120d Julio 2007 / Reparación de Distribución Enero 2008
fr4n / 118d Febrero del 2009 / Reparación distribución a los 26.000 kms
Fran (Gijón) / 320d Septiembre 2009 / Reparación distribución
galdeano1 / 118d Diciembre 2008 / 2 Reparaciones de distribución
garcas2000 / 320d del 2008 / Reparación distribución a los 130.000 kms
garcas2000 / X3 2.0d / Reparación distribución a los 140.000 kms
garea_88 / 120d del 2008 / Rotura de Cadena en 2011 con 90.000 kms. Presup 4.000€
Giani / 118d Enero 2011 / Reparación de distribución en Mayo de 2012 con 14.500 kms.
gmoris66 / e87 Febrero 2008 / Reparación distribución en 2010 con 26.000 kms
gsm / 318d / Reparación distribución Diciembre 2011 con 30.000 kms
Haruyasu / 116d Marzo 2009 / Reparación distribución Marzo 2011
HECTOR NAVARRO MARRUPE / e87 Julio 2007 / Reparación distribución. Vendió el coche en Septiembre 2009
hi-lock / 320d Septiembre 2008 / Reparación distribución Octubre 2011. Coste 400€
iblackymb / 118d Noviembre 2007 / Rotura Cadena Distribución Octubre 2011 con 158.000 kms. Presupuesto 6.970€
ikany / 118d Abril 2007 / Problema de distribución en Mayo 2012 con 86.000 kms. Presupuesto BMW 5.000€
iPodenco / 116d Julio 2009 / Reparación distribución con 30.000 kms
Ironman5 / 320d Abril 2009 / Reparación distribución Marzo 2011. Nueva reparación de distribución en Abril 2012.
IviSan / 118d Abril 2008 / Reparación distribución Octubre 2008 con 10.000 kms
j_alpin / 118d Marzo 2008 / Reparación distribución Octubre 2008 con 15.000 kms
jaco32 / 118d Octubre 2007 / Reparación distribución Septiembre 2009
jakko1 / 320d Julio 2008 / 3 Reparaciones de distribución
jantgp / 320d / Reparación de Distribución, a los 10.000 kms vuelta del seseo y otra Reparación de distribución en Nov 2009
jash / 318d Diciembre 2010 / Reparación distribución Diciembre 2011
Javi_e87 / 120d Octubre 2007 / Reparación distribución
Javibcn / 118d Noviembre 2007 / Reparación distribución en Julio de 2009
javibravo89 / 118d 2008 / Reparación distribución Abril 2011
javihd / 118d del 2008 / Reparación de distribución en Junio de 2012 con 76.000 kms. Garantía BMW Premium Selection
javito1970 / 320d / 2 Reparaciones de distribución
JCHG / 520d Julio 2008 / Problema distribución Noviembre 2011 con 75.000 kms
JMTime / 116d / Reparación distribución
Jorgemb / X3 2.0d Noviembre 2007 / Problema distribución Abril 2012 con 65.000 kms. Presupuesto 4.681€
JOsa / 320d Mayo 2008 / Reparación distribución con 125.000 kms
Jose Alcalde / X3 2.0d del 2008 / Rotura de Cadena de Distribución
jose_artola / 120d del 2008 / Reparación distribución y luego cambio de motor
JoseDG / 118d del 2007 / Reparación distribución en 2007
Joseterico / 118d Octubre 2007 / Reparación de Distribución
Juancabmw / 120d 2007 / Rotura Cadena Distribución 2011. Presup 6.000€
JuanitoR / X3 2.0d Abril 2008 / Reparación de Distribución Abril 2010 con 28.000 kms en garantía
Juanjotr / 118d Noviembre 2007 / Rotura Cadena Distribución Noviembre 2010
Juenmavi / 320d 2008 / Reparación distribución 2012 con 90.000 kms. Coste 1.000€
Julio128 / 320d Abril 2008 / Reparación distribución
JVMKV / 320d / Problema distribución Julio 2011 con 140.000 kms
King118d / 118d Agosto 2007 / Reparación Distribución, vuelta del seseo, Cambio de motor a los 26.000 kms y vuelta del seseo
Knick / 120d / Reparación distribución con 80.000 kms
Kowalsky / 116d de 2010 / Reparación distribución Diciembre 2011 con 26.000 kms
Kubrynch / 118d / Problema de distribución en Junio de 2012. A la espera de la reparación
limones / 118d Junio 2008 / 2 Reparaciones de distribución
Lindorf / e87 Mar 2010 / Problema distribución en Mayo 2012, 38.000 kms. Presup 3.000€, a la espera de Garantía Premium Selection
lmc / 118d agosto 2009 / Reparación distribución Agosto 2011
lodejoentusmanos / 118d 2007 / Rotura Cadena Distribución 2012 con 106.000 kms
luishj / 118d Enero 2010 / Reparación distribución con 54.000 kms
MAELERO / 118d Mayo 2008 / Reparación distribución con 25.000 kms
manolo320 / 320d Septiembre 2008 / 2 Reparaciones de distribución. Vendió el coche
MantXego / 118d Abril 2008 / Reparación de distribución y posterior cambio de motor
Manuelgarcica / 118d Mayo 2007 / Reparación de Distribución a los 15.000 kms
marcoo / 320d / Reparación distribución
mecapituraca / 116d Abril 2009 / Reparación distribución con 23.000 kms
Mejia / 120d Septiembre 2007 / Reparación distribución
Mi Bebito M / 118d 2008 / Rotura Cadena 2011 con 96.500 kms. Presup 6.500€
Mintzor / 118d Septiembre 2007 / Rotura Cadena Distribución con 104.000 kms. Coste 1.000€
Moltan / 320d Julio 2010 / Reparación distribución Marzo 2011
Mr.Bean / 318d del 2007 / 3 Reparaciones de distribución
nachetex / 116d Julio 2009 / Reparación distribución Diciembre 2010
Nachobriz / 320d / Reparación distribución Febrero 2012 con 7.600 kms
naim / 320d de Septiembre 2010 / Reparación de distribución en Junio de 2012 con 30.000 kms
NARCOBBT / 116d Julio 2009 / Reparación distribución Julio 2010 con 20.415 kms
Navaluenga / e87 / Rotura Cadena 2011 con 145.000 kms. 6.000€+mano de obra
nieblamafia / 320d / Reparación distribución con 60.000 kms. A los 10.000kms volvió el seseo
NikoBellic / 320d 2010 / Reparación distribución Febrero 2011 con 30.000 kms
nune123d / 123d / Reparación de distribución con 118.000 kms
olgui82 / 318d del 2010 / Reparación distribución con 36.000 kms
oscrmt / 118d / Reparación distribución
paco.costas / 318d / Reparación distribución Marzo 2009 con 15.000 kms
Pake / 116d Octubre 2010 / Reparación distribución en Diciembre del 2011 con 20.000 kms
Paco_320i / 118d del 2008 / Reparación distribución con 118.000 kms. Coste 300€
Panchix / 118d / Reparación distribución
paquito001a / 120d Diciembre 2007 / Problema distribución. Presupuesto 3.528€
Pelayo Menendez / 120d Febrero 2008 / Problema Distrib. Mayo 2012, 125.000 kms, al no realizar revisiones en BMW Presup 4.300€
pimpin21 / 118d / Reparación distribución. Vendió el coche
pipe664 / 118d 2008 / Problemas distribución. Presupuesto 5.000€.
Plegue_320D /318d 2011/ Problema distribución. No reparan coche posterior a Marzo 2011
ppanyos / 118d Diciembre 2007 / Problema distribución en Mayo 2012 con 92.000 kms. Presupuesto 4.000€
Primoles / 120d del 2007 / 2 Reparaciones de distribución en garantía. Primera con 87.000 kms y segunda a los 102.000 kms
qwerti / 320d Marzo 2010 / Reparación de distribución en Marzo de 2012 con 26.000 kms en garantía
R0ad / 120d del 2008 / Reparación distribución con 44.000 kms
Rabbitting / 120d Octubre 2008 / Reparación distribución en Junio 2009
Rafael cano / 320d 2007/ Rotura Cadena 2010 con 79.000 kms. Pagó un motor nuevo
raquingi / 118d Agosto 2009 / Reparación distribución Septiembre 2011
raquingi / 116d Agosto 2009 (de su hermana) / Reparación distribución Septiembre 2011
rass /118d 2007 / Reparación distrib. Marzo 2009 en garantía. 6 meses despues problema distrib. fuera garantía Presup 6.000€
ripastur / 320d Diciembre 2008 / Reparación distribución a los 25.000 kms. Otra a los 50.000. A los 75.000 vuelve el seseo
Rodri96 / X3 2.0d Noviembre 2007 / Rotura Cadena Distribución Agosto 2010 con 95.000 kms. Presup 6.500€
Ronald MJ / 320d Enero 2011/ Reparación distribución Junio 2011 con 12.000 kms
RTV / 318d Julio 2011 / Reparación de distribución en Mayo de 2012 con 10.000 kms
RuSeTTe / 118d Noviembre 2008 / 2 Reparaciones de distribución en 2011
Samhayne / 118d Julio 2007 / Problemas de distribución y cambio de motor en Diciembre de 2007
scasado4 / 118d / Reparación distribución
SELOM / 320d Octubre 2010 / Reparación distribución Enero 2012 con 23.000 kms
SergioM81 / 118d Mayo 2008 / Reparación distribución Abril 2009
serie1porlevante / 120d / Reparación distribución a los 32.000 kms. A los 52.000 kms vuelta del seseo
soldier_86 / 118d / Reparación de distribución a los 42.000 kms
SpEugenio / 320d Octubre 2011 / Problema de distribución en Mayo de 2012 con 12.000 kms. Esperando solución de BMW
Splash / 320d Mayo 2008 / Reparación distribución. Coste 1.000€
Ssergio320 / 320d Agosto 2008 / Reparación distribución en garantía
STENT / 118d 2007 / Rotura Cadena Jun 2011 149.000 kms. Motor nuevo y rep. distribución en ese motor nuevo a los 20.000 kms
sufridor / 118d Febrero 2008 / Problemas de distribución. Negociando cambio de motor
SuperS1 / 320d 2010 (de su familia) / 2 Reparaciones de distribución en garantía
Suti / 320d Marzo 2010 / Reparación distribución Febrero 2011
Tito_112 / 116d Junio 2010 / Reparación distribución Sep 2011 con 32.000 kms
TobarBMW / 320d Mayo 2008 / Reparación distribución. Coste 470€+IVA
tonebmw / 320d 2008 / Rotura Cadena 2010 con 110.000 kms. Coste cerca de 10.000€
torito7 / 320d finales 2007 / Reparación de Distribución Marzo 2009
trique / 118d Julio 2008 / Reparación distribución Febrero 2010 con 34.000 kms
Txusut / 118d Enero 2009 / Reparación distribución Noviembre 2009 a los 8.000 kms
upercut / 118d Noviembre 2007 / Reparación distribución Noviembre 2009
Valhan / 118d del 2010 / Reparación distribución Abril 2012 con 15.000 kms
vallekano / 118d Agosto 2007 / Reparación distribución
ventosas / 120d 2007 / Reparación distribución Noviembre 2009 con 21.000 kms
ventu / 118d Julio 2008 / Reparación distribución. Vuelta del seseo y cambio de motor
vichu / 320d Abril 2008 / Reparación distribución
vperez68 / 118d Jun 2007 / Reparación distribución May 2012 85.000 kms. Presup 3.490€, con atenc. comercial se queda en 1.490€
vsanca1 / 320d finales 2007 / Reparación distribución con 40.000 kms
xabige / 116d Enero 2010 / Reparación distribución Septiembre 2011
Xfere / 320d / Reparación Distribución Abril 2009
xico3 / 118d 2009 / Reparación distribución Mayo 2012 con 55.000 kms. Preupuesto casi 5.000€, con atención comercial pagó 1.438€
xpmps / 118d / 2 Reparaciones de distribución
XTeru / 118d Octubre 2010 / Reparación distribución
xWeST / 120d Abril 2008 / Problema distribución Abril 2012
yeray23 / 320d / Reparación de distribución en Octubre del 2008
Yeraytitan / 318d Marzo 2010 / Reparación de distribución en Febrero del 2011 con 15.400 kms
Ykpower / 320d / Reparación distribución a los 100.000 kms
yq50 / 120d del 2008 / Reparación distribución Noviembre 2009 a los 54.000 kms
zamobe / 118d Agosto 2008 / Reparación Distribución Febrero 2010
zagal / 118d Diciembre 2009 / Reparación distribución Diciembre 2011
Zeze / 118d Febrero 2008 / Reparación distribución
zipper / 118d Diciembre 2007 / 2 Reparaciones de distribución

irelandjoe

Shocking .... Every garage I have spoken to in Ireland and Northern Ireland have done at least 3-5 this year.

mickdw

No wonder they had to offer 2 year warranty on used cars.

I'd say the ops car will be off to the auction in the UK.

Leonard Hofstadter

That's absolutely appalling.

BMW should hang their heads in shame.

Jesus their diesels are a disaster - the 320d was blowing turbos and injectors and swirl flaps and DMFs and every God damm thing between 2002 and 2004, then they improved those problems somewhat and these things happened at a slower rate.

Then in 2007 they bring out the N47 engine, which you'd think now that this is their fourth generation of the 2.0 diesel they'd finally have sorted out these basic engineering flaws. And indeed they seem to have sorted out the turbo and swirl flaps at long long last. But, hey presto, they had to make an absolute balls of something as simple as a bloody timing chain instead:mad:!

What's even worse is that the BMW fanboys claim that BMW's diesels are 'class leading' - the only thing they seem to be 'class leading' at is their ability to break down and cost their owners a ridiculous amount of money to fix when they go wrong:mad:!

You can be sure that the new M550d engine will cost an absolute bomb to put right when it goes wrong, and it will, if BMW can't make a single turbo engine work then a tri-turbo yoke is definitely going to give trouble - three turbos means three times as many things to go wrong really!

Not only that, but their 'Efficient Dynamics' non-turbo petrol engines suffer from injector and coil pack failure to beat the band, so basically there is no such thing as a reliable 3 series or 5 series from 2007 onwards.

You really are now just paying for that badge on the bonnet, and quite a handsome price you're paying for it as well!

I used to be a big fan of their engines and engineering and the general concept of a sensible comfortable executive saloon that could put a real smile on a drivers' face if you wanted to have some fun, but really they've gone to hell these days with build quality and reliability, and now all the things they used to stand for, like NA petrols, rear wheel drive, six cylinder engines etc etc are all gone down the toilet as well.

And of course now that Toyota will soon be using their disastrously unreliable diesel engines from next year, Toyota diesel reliability will be going down the tubes too from 2013 onwards!

bazz26

Shameful head in the sand treatment from BMW. I definately would not be giving them or dealers my money to fix their **** up.

I'm seriously thinking about going back to a less complex petrol for my next purchase, I'd rather spend that sort of money on fuel. I'll have to sit on my ticking timebomb (no pun intended) for the time being though..

irelandjoe

bazz26 wrote: »

Shameful head in the sand treatment from BMW. I definately would not be giving them or dealers my money to fix their **** up.

I'm seriously thinking about going back to a less complex petrol for my next purchase, I'd rather spend that sort of money on fuel. I'll have to sit on my ticking timebomb (no pun intended) for the time being though..

100% agree Bazz, has already been described to me as a time bomb. Cant wait to get rid of it now.

Shame on BMW. They have tweeted me after someone I know reached out to them but I expect more of the same.

One of the many words I can use to describe this experience is "disappointment"

Nissan doctor

captainspeed wrote: »

That's absolutely appalling.

BMW should hang their heads in shame.

Jesus their diesels are a disaster - the 320d was blowing turbos and injectors and swirl flaps and DMFs and every God damm thing between 2002 and 2004, then they improved those problems somewhat and these things happened at a slower rate.

Then in 2007 they bring out the N47 engine, which you'd think now that this is their fourth generation of the 2.0 diesel they'd finally have sorted out these basic engineering flaws. And indeed they seem to have sorted out the turbo and swirl flaps at long long last. But, hey presto, they had to make an absolute balls of something as simple as a bloody timing chain instead:mad:!

What's even worse is that the BMW fanboys claim that BMW's diesels are 'class leading' - the only thing they seem to be 'class leading' at is their ability to break down and cost their owners a ridiculous amount of money to fix when they go wrong:mad:!

You can be sure that the new M550d engine will cost an absolute bomb to put right when it goes wrong, and it will, if BMW can't make a single turbo engine work then a tri-turbo yoke is definitely going to give trouble - three turbos means three times as many things to go wrong really!

Not only that, but their 'Efficient Dynamics' non-turbo petrol engines suffer from injector and coil pack failure to beat the band, so basically there is no such thing as a reliable 3 series or 5 series from 2007 onwards.

You really are now just paying for that badge on the bonnet, and quite a handsome price you're paying for it as well!

I used to be a big fan of their engines and engineering and the general concept of a sensible comfortable executive saloon that could put a real smile on a drivers' face if you wanted to have some fun, but really they've gone to hell these days with build quality and reliability, and now all the things they used to stand for, like NA petrols, rear wheel drive, six cylinder engines etc etc are all gone down the toilet as well.

And of course now that Toyota will soon be using their disastrously unreliable diesel engines from next year, Toyota diesel reliability will be going down the tubes too from 2013 onwards!

There is not denying, though, that BMW are undeniable world leaders in one main area.......




Marketing.


They have that down so well and their brand is so ingrained in most people minds that they actually don't have to worry about these type of issues. For every person who says they will never buy a BMW again their are 5 more who 'aspire' to own one:rolleyes:

Blazer

It's very disappointing to hear Joe's story and BMW's response.
I came from a Nissan Primera which I bought back in 2005 brand new and apart from a wheel bearing it's been bulletproof for me.
I bought a 2007 520D which luckily has the M47 engine and was seriously considering upgrading to a 09 M-sport ...however after Joe's story this is not going to happen. I love the car so far and I knew Joe was very impressed with it so I feel sorry that he has this problem.
It's stories like this that put me off brands and I've zero brand loyalty and I would consider Audi/Mercedes etc if and when I'm going to upgrade.

The Tyre Dude

Blazer wrote: »

It's stories like this that put me off brands and I've zero brand loyalty and I would consider Audi/Mercedes etc if and when I'm going to upgrade.

Send an email to that effect to BMW Ireland and UK. This BS from BMW will cost them sales, let them know.

Leonard Hofstadter

The Tyre Dude wrote: »

Send an email to that effect to BMW Ireland and UK. This BS from BMW will cost them sales, let them know.

The ironic thing is that BMW Ireland is a subsidiary of BMW UK - and this has been the case since 2004. BMW Ireland is basically a regional division of BMW GB. The only difference between Irish and UK spec BMWs is kph clocks, and obviously the general tendency of the Irish buyer to go for the poverty spec engine, trim level and order the car with no extras.

irelandjoe

Just got back to Ireland now.

BMW returned to Dealer in UK cargiant who credited the entire amount to me.

I ended up getting a 2010 Avensis T4 which was more loaded then the BMW... I know its no BMW BUT i now have a car that is reliable has a warranty with the manufacturer and a as far as my dealings so far have friendly helpful staff.

I have to say cargiant really looked after me, I had to push to get a few things but they were open minded and did as much as they could.

Found it funny when BMW Ireland called me to ask me how my recent service experience was at BMW garage.... I told her exactly what I thought of BMW service its N47 engine and it's neglect to it's customers with this critical engine design flaw.

Anyway

BMW gone and now waiting to see if BMW HQ respond to my email.
Watchdog is also been contacted, I just want other people to get cars checked before this becomes a bigger issue for people. BMW should IMO offer all affected cars a free inspection for this issue to put drivers of these cars mind at rest.