Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread II

tolosenc

Swiwi wrote: »

But I like your optimism!

I remember posting similar sentiments re the ABs at the World Cup.

Maybe the IRB will tell the ref to hand us the match at all costs too?

Swiwi

tolosenc wrote: »

I remember posting similar sentiments re the ABs at the World Cup.

Maybe the IRB will tell the ref to hand us the match at all costs too?

Ah come on, I was just havin' a bit of fun!

.ak

Swiwi wrote: »

Ah come on, I was just havin' a bit of fun!

The truth hurts, don't it?

finatron

LorMal wrote: »

After the unmentionable, I really do not want Joe to take the Ireland job. Some of the vitriol from our southern brethren was incredible. Leave them to it. Leinster now way more important to me than the national team.

The vitriol is going both ways . Ireland will surely miss your support for your sofa

tolosenc

Swiwi wrote: »

Ah come on, I was just havin' a bit of fun!

Ditto :P

Swiwi

.ak wrote: »

The truth hurts, don't it?

The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable. - Former US President James A. Garfield


I prefer a bubble of happy delusion, .ak :pac:

phog

LorMal wrote: »

After the unmentionable, I really do not want Joe to take the Ireland job. Some of the vitriol from our southern brethren was incredible. Leave them to it. Leinster now way more important to me than the national team.

I'm not sure if you're linking the "vitriol" from the south as to why you don't want Joe to take the job or if you're making a few seperate statements and I'm getting confused. However, if you are then it seems small mindedness to me that you want the best coach in the country to refuse to coach a national team, a job he seems keen to want based on a handful of outbusts in social media.

As for the vitriol from the south comment I think most supporters know it was clearly a two way street and certainly not confined to Munster fans.

No matter who gets the Irish job then surely there's going to be a breath of fresh air about the team and thier first few games, I hope it's going a great time for Irish fans.

ssaye

So Herald saying last night


Les Kiss and Alex King frontrunners for Joe's job.


Dawson almost has someone lined up just in case.


King is an exciting backs coach and Joe would back him so I would take it but Northampton would have to agree as he is due there from Clermont I read.

totallegend

Les Kiss? Really?

ssaye

totallegend wrote: »

Les Kiss? Really?

Honestly and it was by Berry who gets the info as Herald are a sponsor.

I know, I know

molloyjh

ssaye wrote: »

So Herald saying last night


Les Kiss and Alex King frontrunners for Joe's job.


Dawson almost has someone lined up just in case.


King is an exciting backs coach and Joe would back him so I would take it but Northampton would have to agree as he is due there from Clermont I read.

I nearly vomited when I read that.

Quint2010

No way Kiss will get the job. He been around Kidney far too long. Expect another Schmidt style appointment. Is Wayne Smith available?

ambid

I'd be happy with Les Kiss for Leinster. Apparently he is very highly regarded by the international players, he knows most of the players, and he's highly ambitious to be a head coach. I think he deserves a shot at the big job.

ssaye

Quint2010 wrote: »

No way Kiss will get the job. He been around Kidney far too long. Expect another Schmidt style appointment. Is Wayne Smith available?

Only wants International position if moving NH. Said he wont be tempted otherwise at this stage. Who knows.

I'd be okay with Les Kiss taking the reigns.

Could well be a massive shake up between the coaching staff at Ireland / Leinster this season.

Don't want a like-for-like swap at all though!

jamiedav2011

ssaye wrote: »

So Herald saying last night


Les Kiss and Alex King frontrunners for Joe's job.


Dawson almost has someone lined up just in case.


King is an exciting backs coach and Joe would back him so I would take it but Northampton would have to agree as he is due there from Clermont I read.

Yeah King is heading to Northampton alright, but wonder would a shot as a head coach tempt him?

Kiss can fcuk off as far as I'm concerned, wouldn't have him near the team.

Wayne Smith or McKenzie would be great too.

I'd like to see Gibbes get a shot also.

.ak

I'd love King, but can't happen now, can it?

ssaye

.ak wrote: »

I'd love King, but can't happen now, can it?

There are precedents apparently in last nights paper

"t would take a degree of charity from the Saints to release him. It has been done before – Declan Kidney was released by Newport-Gwent Dragons to move to Leinster. It looks like Schmidt is about to do it shortly."

.ak

ssaye wrote: »

There are precedents apparently in last nights paper

"t would take a degree of charity from the Saints to release him. It has been done before – Declan Kidney was released by Newport-Gwent Dragons to move to Leinster. It looks like Schmidt is about to do it shortly."

Ah, can't see it happening then. The Dragons case was a special one, Kidney just didn't want to be there and would've been counterproductive. I imagine King would be a lot more professional than that and honor the contract regardless if he wanted the Leinster job more.

ssaye

http://www.herald.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-ready-if-joe-goes-29200227.html

Link here

"We start training by the first of July, so we would have to have a coach in place for that if Joe does not continue in his role here," said Dawson. "Joe is in situ at least to the end of this season. He has a contract to the end of 2013/2014. But, we are acutely aware of what is going on at the moment."

Killser

Whatever way he goes, the thought of Joe taking the top job and getting a chance to work with the talent that's emerging from all 4 provinces gets me all sorts of fired up!
And, one of his first matches against a major international team, the BNZs ! (No offence to Samoa, who will give us a hell of a game by-the-by). :eek:


My vote goes for Jono for Leinster coach - any chance of a poll?

.ak

Killser wrote: »

Whatever way he goes, the thought of Joe taking the top job and getting a chance to work with the talent that's emerging from all 4 provinces gets me all sorts of fired up!
And, one of his first matches against a major international team, the BNZs ! (No offence to Samoa, who will give us a hell of a game by-the-by). :eek:


My vote goes for Jono for Leinster coach - any chance of a poll?

I'll start a new thread.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Quint2010 wrote: »

No way Kiss will get the job. He been around Kidney far too long. Expect another Schmidt style appointment. Is Wayne Smith available?

Sick parents won't leave NZ

.ak

.ak wrote: »

I'll start a new thread.

Poll/thread here.

ssaye

"Munster have already succeeded in enticing Felix Jones and Andrew Conway (soon to arrive) south, but were they to enlist Kearney they would have the most complete of three full-backs struggling to get opportunities in their preferred position with their home province" Tony Ward, yesterday

So are Munster after DK

The plot thickens...

lemansky

Maybe DK said no to them and so on Saturday they decided to send him a subtle message that this was not the correct answer?






:pac:

thomond2006

Ah ffs, can we stop taking Leinster castoffs and develop our own homegrown backs.

Hype710

I don't think that Ward is implying Munster are interested in DK, rather he is making the point, in an unusual manner, that DK is better than the other Leinstermen (Jones, Conway) that they have signed to play the full back role. At least I hope not.

.ak

Would there be even space for him down there, it's very crowded in the back 3... Or maybe after the Fitzy deal fell through they decided to go for his backup? :P

ssaye

Hype710 wrote: »

I don't think that Ward is implying Munster are interested in DK, rather he is making the point, in an unusual manner, that DK is better than the other Leinstermen (Jones, Conway) that they have signed to play the full back role. At least I hope not.

"Kearney the younger is a hugely under-rated talent and one stifled in his development through lack of regular game-time for his province."

Sounds to me he thinks he should be somewhere else to get more game time.

Yet he has played loads this season already and with Carr/Conway/Isa gone will play more as he is versatile

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/team/results/squad_leinster_first_team.php?player=72808&includeref=dynamic#.UW6FVEpvCFg

totallegend

ssaye wrote: »

"Munster have already succeeded in enticing Felix Jones and Andrew Conway (soon to arrive) south, but were they to enlist Kearney they would have the most complete of three full-backs struggling to get opportunities in their preferred position with their home province" Tony Ward, yesterday

So are Munster after DK

The plot thickens...

No, they're not. That is utter nonsense from Ward, a half-hearted attempt to show that he's concerned not just with POC getting off but also for poor Dave, sure isn't he a great lad all the same.

It's like saying if Connacht were to enlist Dan Carter, they'd have a decent out-half. There's about the same amount of substance in it.

jacothelad

Quint2010 wrote: »

No way Kiss will get the job. He been around Kidney far too long. Expect another Schmidt style appointment. Is Wayne Smith available?

Perhaps Kiss was holding back the flood of Kidneymerde.

yimrsg

John Plumtree is out of contract with the Sharks at the end of the season I think.

ssaye

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Artful_Badger

ssaye wrote: »

"Kearney the younger is a hugely under-rated talent and one stifled in his development through lack of regular game-time for his province."

Sounds to me he thinks he should be somewhere else to get more game time.

Yet he has played loads this season already and with Carr/Conway/Isa gone will play more as he is versatile

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/team/results/squad_leinster_first_team.php?player=72808&includeref=dynamic#.UW6FVEpvCFg

I remember being impressed by Kearney before Zebo and Gilroy shot to fame, he was by far the most rounded young back out of all the contenders at that time. Then he took a back seat while the other two started getting lots of game time. Not sure if injury forced him out or selection or maybe a combination but he definitely missed out on a lot of game time compared to other young Irish backs.

.ak

Nice little insight into pro eating habits before a game.

RuggieBear

he doesn't have zebo's speed nor Gilroy's feet

Tox56

Artful_Badger wrote: »

I remember being impressed by Kearney before Zebo and Gilroy shot to fame, he was by far the most rounded young back out of all the contenders at that time. Then he took a back seat while the other two started getting lots of game time. Not sure if injury forced him out or selection or maybe a combination but he definitely missed out on a lot of game time compared to other young Irish backs.

It's interesting/annoying. Conway was in U20 teams with Zebo and Gilroy and looked the best of them at the time. Again D Kearney was in the Wolfhounds with both and looked a class above everyone, yet while the careers of Zebo/Gilroy have exploded since, Conway/Kearney haven't really gone anywhere. Are Leinster doing something wrong, is there too much competition or were they just unlucky?

opinionatedfan

unlucky in my book.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Luck to a certain degree possibly.

D Kearney and Conway too have had more injuries than Gilroy or Zebo

jamiedav2011

I think one thing to keep in mind aswell is that Leinster do tend to use wingers quite differently to most other teams.

Zebo and Gilroy would both be used in a different manner than they currently are if they were Leinster players I'd wager.

Part of the reason too why Carr didn't fit the puzzle.

molloyjh

thomond2006 wrote: »

Ah ffs, can we stop taking Leinster castoffs and develop our own homegrown backs.

Reminds me of what the English sing to the Welsh; You're only a principality.

You're only a Leinster A side...

RuggieBear wrote: »

he doesn't have zebo's speed nor Gilroy's feet

He is very strong in the contact though. He's been cursed with injury this season. We'd have seen a lot more of him if not for that.

ktulu123

ssaye wrote: »

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haha, the big dirty smile on him when he says it! Yeah he's going!

.ak

Before the 2012 6N he was being heralded for game time. I think this season has skewed our vision of him, but last season he was seriously impressive, superb under high ball, was immense in breaking tackles and was safe as bricks. He has defo regressed a bit, but I wouldn't put it past him if he get an injury free run he'll have a massive season ahead of him.

Artful_Badger

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

I think one thing to keep in mind aswell is that Leinster do tend to use wingers quite differently to most other teams.

Zebo and Gilroy would both be used in a different manner than they currently are if they were Leinster players I'd wager.

Part of the reason too why Carr didn't fit the puzzle.

Would that be down to the freedom they have to play their own game ? Carr at Connacht was kinda of the go to guy, they fed him ball and let him do his thing and he was outstanding for them. At Leinster he struggled big time to fit into what the team was doing.

opinionatedfan

I think he is a far better Fullback than winger.

molloyjh

opinionatedfan wrote: »

I think he is a far better Fullback than winger.

That's our issue at the moment though. 3 FBs in the back 3. We need wingers. All the more reason ZK is a bad buy (assuming it's true).

totallegend

Tox56 wrote: »

It's interesting/annoying. Conway was in U20 teams with Zebo and Gilroy and looked the best of them at the time. Again D Kearney was in the Wolfhounds with both and looked a class above everyone, yet while the careers of Zebo/Gilroy have exploded since, Conway/Kearney haven't really gone anywhere. Are Leinster doing something wrong, is there too much competition or were they just unlucky?

No, Leinster are doing too many things right.

Gilroy got his break at Ulster primarily because he and Trimble were the only wingers of any standard that Ulster had. Let's not forget that since Bowe arrived and all three have been fit, Gilroy has been the one losing out. He is not a first-choice player at Ulster.

Zebo only got his break due to a season-ending injury to Howlett in 2011. Fair play to him, he grabbed his opportunity with both hands, but while Howlett was out his competition for the jersey was Denis Hurley and Johne Murphy, i.e. not much competition at all, so he got a prolonged run of action.

Then there's Dave Kearney; fighting with Isa Nacewa, Luke Fitzgerald and Fergus McFadden for the wing jerseys. When Luke got injured ahead of the 2012 HC final, Leinster had an international winger raring to go in the shape of McFadden, while Isa has been undroppable for four years.

The guys ahead of him in the queue are too good, that's Dave Kearney's problem.

molloyjh

totallegend wrote: »

No, Leinster are doing too many things right.

Gilroy got his break at Ulster primarily because he and Trimble were the only wingers of any standard that Ulster had. Let's not forget that since Bowe arrived and all three have been fit, Gilroy has been the one losing out. He is not a first-choice player at Ulster.

Zebo only got his break due to a season-ending injury to Howlett in 2011. Fair play to him, he grabbed his opportunity with both hands, but while Howlett was out his competition for the jersey was Denis Hurley and Johne Murphy, i.e. not much competition at all, so he got a prolonged run of action.

Then there's Dave Kearney; fighting with Isa Nacewa, Luke Fitzgerald and Fergus McFadden for the wing jerseys. When Luke got injured ahead of the 2012 HC final, Leinster had an international winger raring to go in the shape of McFadden, while Isa has been undroppable for four years.

The guys ahead of him in the queue are too good, that's Dave Kearney's problem.

That and the injuries this season.

[Jackass]

Ulster will not have Ravenhill ready in time to host Pro12 final, and as such, have nominated the RDS as their "home" venue if they make it, meaning that 1st place is irrelivant for Leinster now, as long as Ulster get it, we just need to finish second and we will be in line for two home finals in the RDS this season as long as we can hold on to 2nd in league and win our two home semi finals in RDS.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22180778

It's all falling into place.