Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread II

PhatPiggins

Dravokivich wrote: »

totallegend wrote: »

Sigh.

Would "not one of the traditional strongholds of rugby in the city" have been more acceptable?

[@ emmet, I didn't say it was "un-rugby" by the way, I said it was "one of the most un-rugby parts of the city", which it is.]

It means the same thing though doesn't it? That is just pushing the stereotype out even more.

So a statement of a fact is now a stereotype!! I don't know who are worse the biggots or the pc warriors who live in the clouds.

cormacjones

padser wrote: »

Absolutely, I'm really looking forward to the day when we convert all the soccer fans to Rugby (let's be fair, Tallaght is a soccer stronghold) and then we have to partition stadiums to keep rival fams apart and have special buses in and out of cities because of all the trouble at games.

I hope that's a joke post? I can't tell.

padser

cormacjones wrote: »

padser wrote: »

Absolutely, I'm really looking forward to the day when we convert all the soccer fans to Rugby (let's be fair, Tallaght is a soccer stronghold) and then we have to partition stadiums to keep rival fams apart and have special buses in and out of cities because of all the trouble at games.

I hope that's a joke post? I can't tell.

Obviously.

I don't really want rugby games to become like soccer games. I was being sarcastic.

cormacjones

padser wrote: »

Obviously.

I don't really want rugby games to become like soccer games. I was being sarcastic.

Yeah I got the sarcasm, I was hoping you were messing with your point about soccer fans.

Fair enough if it's your opinion, but it strikes me as elitist and snobbish. Your stereotypical rugby fan perhaps? :rolleyes:

tolosenc

cormacjones wrote: »

Yeah I got the sarcasm, I was hoping you were messing with your point about soccer fans.

Fair enough if it's your opinion, but it strikes me as elitist and snobbish. Your stereotypical rugby fan perhaps? :rolleyes:

Typical GAA fan talking about stereotypical rugby fans.

:P

Fishooks12

cormacjones wrote: »

Yeah I got the sarcasm, I was hoping you were messing with your point about soccer fans.

Fair enough if it's your opinion, but it strikes me as elitist and snobbish. Your stereotypical rugby fan perhaps? :rolleyes:

I follow both and I'd think most reasonable soccer fans would agree that there is a huge problem with lack of respect in the game, from fans and players

It's nothing to do with elitism, just an element rugby fans don't want creeping into the game

cormacjones

Fishooks12 wrote: »

I follow both and I'd think most reasonable soccer fans would agree that there is a huge problem with lack of respect in the game, from fans and players

It's nothing to do with elitism, just an element rugby fans don't want creeping into the game

I was making a point about stereotyping.

Tefri made the point that he/she hoped that of the 4,000 going to see the game some would be new to rugby and could be converted. Padser response was, to paraphrase, that we'll have to introduce security measures if Tallaght soccer supporters started going to Leinster games.

If that's not snobbery then I'm not sure what is. Snobbery and elitism is what rugby fans are often accused of, especially by football hooligans from working class areas.

I'm a big fan of both sports by the way, I just found Padser's post offensive and thought I should reply.

CatFromHue

You shouldn't stereotype.....that's what they do in China :pac:

.ak

cormacjones wrote: »

I'm a big fan of both sports by the way, I just found Padser's post offensive and thought I should reply.

If you found it offensive then you should've hit the report button, not reply. This is the Leinster gossip forum, so everyone knock off the soccer talk or take it elsewhere.

SportingFun

Morf wrote: »

The open training session has been changed from 12 to 12.45pm tomorrow at Co. Carlow Football Club, Oak Park.

Went to this and there was a massive crowd and the players did there best to get to everyone and most people went home very happy. Great to see these sessions getting such big turn outs every time

danthefan

SportingFun wrote: »

Went to this and there was a massive crowd and the players did there best to get to everyone and most people went home very happy. Great to see these sessions getting such big turn outs every time

Were all the internationals present?

Morf

danthefan wrote: »

Were all the internationals present?

All the fit ones, yes.

David900

Looks like Liberty Insurance are the front runners for the RDS naming rights. RDS looking for reported €15m.

From the article it doesn't look like this will have any benefit for Leinster apart from the extra capacity it will provide.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0806/1224321561775.html

funky penguin

Making it....Liberty Stadium? Em..... :pac:

GerM

funky penguin wrote: »

Making it....Liberty Stadium? Em..... :pac:

If you can't beat them....

danthefan

David900 wrote: »

Looks like Liberty Insurance are the front runners for the RDS naming rights. RDS looking for reported €15m.

From the article it doesn't look like this will have any benefit for Leinster apart from the extra capacity it will provide.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0806/1224321561775.html

Which is a fairly significant benefit.

David900

danthefan wrote: »

Which is a fairly significant benefit.

Which is true, but the draw from these companies is for Leinster Rugby and not the RDS. They still have to pay rent etc. and will never own the asset.

Leinster should be in the position of power on this deal and I hope they use this reduce current payable or something similar.

Of course, we will probably never find out.

danthefan

David900 wrote: »

Which is true, but the draw from these companies is for Leinster Rugby and not the RDS. They still have to pay rent etc. and will never own the asset.

Leinster should be in the position of power on this deal and I hope they use this reduce current payable or something similar.

Of course, we will probably never find out.

I think you've said it yourself tbh. A new stand that they don't have to pay for is a massive benefit to Leinster, it will result in 10s of thousands of extra tickets a season being sold. They can't have their cake and eat it - i.e. get reduced rent and pay nothing for the stand.

David900

danthefan wrote: »

I think you've said it yourself tbh. A new stand that they don't have to pay for is a massive benefit to Leinster, it will result in 10s of thousands of extra tickets a season being sold. They can't have their cake and eat it - i.e. get reduced rent and pay nothing for the stand.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. RDS are effectively getting their cake and eating it too they're getting new stand finance on the back of Leinster, the least we would hope for is they don't increase the rent at next review

OldRio

If you don't mind me asking but whereabouts at the RDS will the new stand be?

Big Nelly

OldRio wrote: »

If you don't mind me asking but whereabouts at the RDS will the new stand be?

It will be the replacement for the Anglsea, its in bad need of repair!!

OldRio

Thanks.

danthefan

David900 wrote: »

I think we will have to agree to disagree. RDS are effectively getting their cake and eating it too they're getting new stand finance on the back of Leinster, the least we would hope for is they don't increase the rent at next review

The RDS has been around since 1731. Long before Leinster came along and I suspect they'll still be there long after Leinster go.

David900

danthefan wrote: »

The RDS has been around since 1731. Long before Leinster came along and I suspect they'll still be there long after Leinster go.

Yeah I realise that, thats not what my point was though?

SportingFun

Big Nelly wrote: »

It will be the replacement for the Anglsea, its in bad need of repair!!

I hope then keep the terraceing as part of the rebuild ok make improvments even steps would be nice but really hope then keep it.

Be interesting to see when then do this work as like others have said RDS is in use a large portion of the year apart for Leinster rugby.

Big Nelly

SportingFun wrote: »

I hope then keep the terraceing as part of the rebuild ok make improvments even steps would be nice but really hope then keep it.

Be interesting to see when then do this work as like others have said RDS is in use a large portion of the year apart for Leinster rugby.

Yes would like to keep the terrace, but make it alot better than current, if you are late for a HC game with current terrace you cannot see half the pitch with the buildings in the way!!!

danthefan

David900 wrote: »

Yeah I realise that, thats not what my point was though?

It's very much relevant to your point, you seem to think the new stand is being built because of Leinster only. That's not the case at all. It'll be used for concerts, the horse show (combined I reckon these attract easily as many people to the RDS a year as Leinster do), and whatever other facilities e.g. conferences/function rooms they can build into it.

As for the RDS having their cake and eating it? They are bearing the cost of the new stand.

David900

danthefan wrote: »

It's very much relevant to your point, you seem to think the new stand is being built because of Leinster only. That's not the case at all. It'll be used for concerts, the horse show (combined I reckon these attract easily as many people to the RDS a year as Leinster do), and whatever other facilities e.g. conferences/function rooms they can build into it.

As for the RDS having their cake and eating it? They are bearing the cost of the new stand.

My point was the Leinster brand is driving the naming rights deal.
I don't think the new stand is being built for Leinster only but I do think the new naming rights deal is being driven by the Leinster brand.

The RDS will be bearing the cost but this cost and risk has been significantly reduced by the naming rights deal brought abut by Leinster.

ongarite

I presume the Anglesea rebuild project is hoping to include some level of corporate boxes to further drive up revenue from season tickets.

molloyjh

Big Nelly wrote: »

SportingFun wrote: »

I hope then keep the terraceing as part of the rebuild ok make improvments even steps would be nice but really hope then keep it.

Be interesting to see when then do this work as like others have said RDS is in use a large portion of the year apart for Leinster rugby.

Yes would like to keep the terrace, but make it alot better than current, if you are late for a HC game with current terrace you cannot see half the pitch with the buildings in the way!!!

Mick Dawson had a Q&A on the redevelopment about 18 months ago and said they had a big input into what changes would be occurring and that from their perspective the terrace is very important and it's not going anywhere.

ormond lad

Saw on connachtclan forum that connacht academy and leinster academy sides will play an american colleges side over the next week. The connacht game is on august 11th and the leinster game is on august 14th.
2 Interesting games.

Casander

danthefan wrote: »

It's very much relevant to your point, you seem to think the new stand is being built because of Leinster only. That's not the case at all. It'll be used for concerts, the horse show (combined I reckon these attract easily as many people to the RDS a year as Leinster do), and whatever other facilities e.g. conferences/function rooms they can build into it.

Ah let's not have this discussion again...

Would be really keen to see plans / drawings for the proposed stand - anything knocking about online?

[Jackass]

I was chatting to one of the staff at Leinster and mentioned it. Plans aren't available to public until funding is secured. The planning application went in just before summer though. They're doing some minor works on the other 3 stands and a whole new Anglesea stand.

Winters

molloyjh wrote: »

Mick Dawson had a Q&A on the redevelopment about 18 months ago and said they had a big input into what changes would be occurring and that from their perspective the terrace is very important and it's not going anywhere.

I asked that question. It came about after I read an article in the Sunday Business Post about the RDS development and the RDS CEO stated 'all-seater' when talking about their plans which would be disastrous for rugby.

phog

[Jackass] wrote: »

I was chatting to one of the staff at Leinster and mentioned it. Plans aren't available to public until funding is secured. The planning application went in just before summer though. They're doing some minor works on the other 3 stands and a whole new Anglesea stand.

Surely, if an application was submitted to the planning authority then they would be available to the public?

totallegend

phog wrote: »

Surely, if an application was submitted to the planning authority then they would be available to the public?

Yeah you'd be able to see the application on the City Council website but there's nothing there, except an application to keep the existing 'temporary' stands on a permanent basis.

phog

totallegend wrote: »

Yeah you'd be able to see the application on the City Council website but there's nothing there, except an application to keep the existing 'temporary' stands on a permanent basis.

Sorry, I thought Jackass was saying the application was for the stand to replace the existing Anglesea stand rather than the existing temporary stands.

totallegend

phog wrote: »

Sorry, I thought Jackass was saying the application was for the stand to replace the existing Anglesea stand rather than the existing temporary stands.

You're right, that's what he was saying, but there's no such application gone in yet (that I can see anyway)

molloyjh

Winters wrote: »

I asked that question. It came about after I read an article in the Sunday Business Post about the RDS development and the RDS CEO stated 'all-seater' when talking about their plans which would be disastrous for rugby.

Well fingers crossed Leinster stick to their guns because I'd be livid if we lost the terrace. :eek:

.ak

The only issue I really have the Anglesea stand is the columns. Other than that it's perfect. I hope they don't mess up the seating angles, and I really hope they keep the terrace.

phog

molloyjh wrote: »

Well fingers crossed Leinster stick to their guns because I'd be livid if we lost the terrace. :eek:

It's been a while since I attended the horseshow but from my memory they use terraces too so I'd be shocked if they did away with the terrace at that side as they have alreadly lost it under the grand stand.

Winters

The Angelsea stand is an ancient relic and probably poses a health risk. If its anything like Lansdowne's old West Stand it probably has some asbestos in the roof too. The toilets are diabolical and both terraces have terrible sightlines.

If they aren't going to rebuilt it at least remove the pavilion in the center and make the terrace full length.

armchaircoach

Winters wrote: »

The Angelsea stand is an ancient relic and probably poses a health risk. If its anything like Lansdowne's old West Stand it probably has some asbestos in the roof too. The toilets are diabolical and both terraces have terrible sightlines.

If they aren't going to rebuilt it at least remove the pavilion in the center and make the terrace full length.

I think the problem is the pavillion in the center is a listed building, and that's why it's taking so long to do anything. I'm not sure when I read this, it was sometime last year when the redevelopment was being discussed

Mr.Applepie

armchaircoach wrote: »

I think the problem is the pavillion in the center is a listed building, and that's why it's taking so long to do anything. I'm not sure when I read this, it was sometime last year when the redevelopment was being discussed

It such a wonderful piece of architecture - it really deserves to stand for the rest of time.

GerM

None of the actual stadium is protected although a large part of the complex is.

Royal Dublin Society complex: (A) main front building,
including central block and east and west wings; (B)
(i) Main Hall; (B) (ii) Wilkinson Building on west side of
Main Hall;(C) Industries Hall; (D) Ashworth Building on
west and south of Industries Hall; (E) Library; (F)
Concert Hall; (G) Pembroke Hall; (H) Judges and
Stewards Building; (I) Showjumping Federation
House; (J) Clock and Clock Tower; (K) Site boundary
wall, railings, gates and gate piers; (L) Hibernia
sculpture (by Edward Smyth) at Anglesea Stand.
Note: the remaining structures in the complex are
excluded from the RPS and are deemed not to have
Protected Status

[Jackass]

phog wrote: »

Surely, if an application was submitted to the planning authority then they would be available to the public?

Sorry, for clarity, yeah they've submitted applications for the works on the ground, but not the entire replaced grandstand. Presumably they'll want the cash secured before they know what exactly they can go with.

This is what has been submitted to planning so far

http://www.billtormey.ie/2012/04/26/rds-development-for-leinster/

Basically perminant permission to keep the 3 other stands as they are and to put encasing around them. Would be nice if they looked to put a roof over north and south but doubt it.

Larbre34

phog wrote: »

Surely, if an application was submitted to the planning authority then they would be available to the public?

Yes it would. The RDS may have had pre-planning discussions with the City Council but no formal planning application has been made. They probably have a draft design and the City Planners would give them a steer on possible issues given the locale and surrounding protected structures

I'd like to see something like the Thomond stands or new stand in Ravenhill where you have Terrace at the bottom with boxes and hospitality next up and tiered seating on top. It would suit all events then but the necessary height for that could well meet stiff resistance in leafy D4.

I wouldnt like to see the arena given naming rights, even though it isnt Leinsters business what they call it. It could get confusing though when Leinster play Ospreys, is the match at the Liberty or the Liberty!

CatFromHue

Larbre34 wrote: »

I wouldnt like to see the arena given naming rights, even though it isnt Leinsters business what they call it. It could get confusing though when Leinster play Ospreys, is the match at the Liberty or the Liberty!

For 15 million you can call me what ever you want!

It's a good piece of business if you ask me and the full title could end up being the Liberty RDS. That 15m could pay for the vast majority of the work done to stadium.

Larbre34

CatFromHue wrote: »

For 15 million you can call me what ever you want!

It's a good piece of business if you ask me and the full title could end up being the Liberty RDS. That 15m could pay for the vast majority of the work done to stadium.

I agree the financial impetus is a no brainer and they could have a lovely venue for the next 100 years out of it, I just despair a bit at the commercialisation of all these venues in Dublin - The Point is still The Point etc!

The RDS is a tired old shed but its very atmospheric and the most social venue ive ever been in. There was some banter going on in Thomond at the league game in April and in anticipation at the time of meeting Leinster in the final in the RDS a Munster lad says, "I wonder where in the old stables we'll have our seats?".

"Old stables", says I "is where they keep the thoroughbreds"

armchaircoach

As far as I am aware we are there for the next 20 or so years, and with the success of the team it makes sense not only to upgrade the amount of seating, but also take the opportunity to put in some good corporate facilities as well as make general facilities such as toilets concession stands and bars for the ordinary fan much nicer.

If liberty insurance want to pay for it then so much the better, some people will call it the rds others liberty stadium, much like some call it landsdown and some call it the aviva. This way leinster gain all the benefit if a new stadium, with none of the costs involved.

Also I don't think much can be done with the south stand as it has to be removed each year to make space for the horseshow.