2012-13 UEFA Champions League

IncognitoMan

Melion wrote: »

First is first, second is nothing. They have made 1 final in those 16 years.

I agree and the competition we are talking about city finished 3rd in the group stage

AdamD

Melion wrote: »

First is first, second is nothing. They have made 1 final in those 16 years.

That's just a god awful opinion that has to be immediately disregarded when trying to come up with a way of getting fair and balanced seedings.

Magill

Just an unlucky draw for city (And everyone else in the group).. **** happens.. they've got a good enough squad to get out of it. Hopefully they don't crumble like they did last year. If any team in the group has reason to complain its Dortmund !

Sanity_Saviour

Melion wrote: »

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

and then you could still have got Barca, Bayern and Milan and you still complain.

If your good enough to win CL then you should get out of Group. Simple.

I just think it would make for much better games to watch and it would mean different teams making the semi-finals rather than the usual few.

The idea of the Champions League is to have the 8 best teams reach the quarter finals, 4 in the semi finals etc. and so keep the best games for the final stages.

Your idea cheapens this concept for "good group games" and "different semi-finalists"? If this were to happen, teams would make the final stages unfairly. It is a stupid idea.

Melion

Sanity_Saviour wrote: »

The idea of the Champions League is to have the 8 best teams reach the quarter finals, 4 in the semi finals etc. and so keep the best games for the final stages.

Your idea cheapens this concept for "good group games" and "different semi-finalists"? If this were to happen, teams would make the final stages unfairly. It is a stupid idea.

How would a team make the final stage unfairly? If a team is good enough they will make it as far as they possibly can.

Sanity_Saviour

Melion wrote: »

Sanity_Saviour wrote: »

The idea of the Champions League is to have the 8 best teams reach the quarter finals, 4 in the semi finals etc. and so keep the best games for the final stages.

Your idea cheapens this concept for "good group games" and "different semi-finalists"? If this were to happen, teams would make the final stages unfairly. It is a stupid idea.

How would a team make the final stage unfairly? If a team is good enough they will make it as far as they possibly can.

Because if your idea goes ahead, ie. Barca Bayern United and Milan(all for example) are put in the one group, 2 teams that should be making the latter stages will be knocked out too early, being replaced by teams that haven't had to play 3 teams of that calibre.

The method that is there means the best teams are playing each other at the right times, and also make runs like APOEL and Monaco's even more impressive.

Melion

Sanity_Saviour wrote: »

Because if your idea goes ahead, ie. Barca Bayern United and Milan(all for example) are put in the one group, 2 teams that should be making the latter stages will be knocked out too early, being replaced by teams that haven't had to play 3 teams of that calibre.

The method that is there means the best teams are playing each other at the right times, and also make runs like APOEL and Monaco's even more impressive.

Sorry but if they SHOULD be making the latter stages, they will make the latter stages.

Sanity_Saviour

Melion wrote: »

Sanity_Saviour wrote: »

Because if your idea goes ahead, ie. Barca Bayern United and Milan(all for example) are put in the one group, 2 teams that should be making the latter stages will be knocked out too early, being replaced by teams that haven't had to play 3 teams of that calibre.

The method that is there means the best teams are playing each other at the right times, and also make runs like APOEL and Monaco's even more impressive.

Sorry but if they SHOULD be making the latter stages, they will make the latter stages.

If the best 16 teams are all in 4 groups(for example), 8 teams that "should be" making the last 16, going by UEFA co-efficients, will not.
Seedings mean the best teams have earnt themselves an easier(on paper) route past the group stages.

ironingbored

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Could the French not argue then that they're stronger than the italian, or German leagues.

Not in a million years.

Juventus being in pot 3 was a bit of a joke.

Mr.Nice Guy

Looking forward to seeing Cristiano go back to Manchester.

Xavi6

Buzzing for the Champions League now. Tough group but sure that's the way it goes, and as Joleon Lescott says, it's a proper group of champions.

Madrid away up first, does not get much better than that in terms of stature. Bring it on!

citytillidie

Match day 1 fixtures

Tonight
19:45 AC Milan (ITA) V RSC Anderlecht (BEL)
19:45 Borussia Dortrmund (GER) V Ajax Amesterdam (NED)
19:45 GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO) V FC Porto (POR)
19:45 Málaga CF (ESP) V Zenit St Petersburg (RUS)
19:45 Montpellier (FRA) V Arsenal (ENG)
19:45 Olympiacos (GRE) V Shalke 04 (GER)
19:45 Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) V FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)
19:45 Real Madrid (ESP) V Man City (ENG)

Tomorrow
19:45 Barcelona (ESP) V FC Spartak Moskva (RUS)
19:45 Bayern Muchen (GER) V Valencia (ESP)
19:45 Celtic FC (SCO) V Benfica (POR)
19:45 Chelsea (ENG) V Juventus (ITA)
19:45 LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA) V FC BATE Borisov (BLR)
19:45 Man United (ENG) V Galatasaray (TUR)
19:45 Shakhtat Donetsk (UKR) V Nordsjaellan (DEN)
19:45 SC Braga (POR) V CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU)

Lawrence1895

Borussia Dortmund vs Ajax tonight. The police in Dortmund is on high alert, because Ajax supporters have some reputation. Both sets of supporters will be segregated all the way, for example the Dutch guys will only be allowed into one part of the city centre.

I don't know, it's football, nothing more. And I remember different occasions, where both sets of supporters had a party in the city centre before the match with music acts and food from both countries. No riots at all, but certain people in Germany seem to know better :mad:

citytillidie

Results
AC Milan (ITA) 0 V 0 RSC Anderlecht (BEL)
Borussia Dortrmund (GER) 1 V 0 Ajax Amesterdam (NED)
GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO) 0 V 2 FC Porto (POR)
Málaga CF (ESP) 3 V 0 Zenit St Petersburg (RUS)
Montpellier (FRA) 1 V 2 Arsenal (ENG)
Olympiacos (GRE) 1 V 2 Shalke 04 (GER)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) 4 V 1 FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)
Real Madrid (ESP) 3 V 2 Man City (ENG)

Lawrence1895

Great stuff, Borussia Dortmund won the match, but it was some hard day's work, so I heard. Never mind, three points are three points.

Hopefully, all stays peaceful after the match, since there were 47 arrests before the match, so called 'fans' from the Netherlands smashing a subway train and causing trouble in the city centre

Seaneh

Ibra ****ing loves scoring goals...

citytillidie

Tonights results

Barcelona (ESP) 3 V 2 FC Spartak Moskva (RUS)
Bayern Muchen (GER) 2 V 1 Valencia (ESP)
Celtic FC (SCO) 0 V 0 Benfica (POR)
Chelsea (ENG) 2 V 2 Juventus (ITA)
LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA) 1 V 3 FC BATE Borisov (BLR)
Man United (ENG) 1 V 0 Galatasaray (TUR)
Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) 2 V 0 Nordsjaellan (DEN)
SC Braga (POR) 0 V 2 CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU)

Davaeo09

citytillidie wrote: »

Tonights results

Barcelona (ESP) 3 V 2 FC Spartak Moskva (RUS)
Bayern Muchen (GER) 2 V 1 Valencia (ESP)
Celtic FC (SCO) 0 V 0 Benfica (POR)
Chelsea (ENG) 2 V 2 Juventus (ITA)
LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA) 1 V 3 FC BATE Borisov (BLR)
Man United (ENG) 1 V 0 Galatasaray (TUR)
Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) 2 V 0 Nordsjaellan (DEN)
SC Braga (POR) 0 V 2 CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU)

Barcelona weren't great for 60 odd minutes tonight. Pique was taken off very early on as he looked to have some discomfort in his right knee. Song played CB, distributed well but was a little reckless at times. Tello played a stormer in the second half as space seemed to just open up for him time and time again. He scored the opener and then provided a fantastic assist for Messi to draw level after some poor defending and Romulo in. 3 points are three points and our European home record continues.

Didn't really see much else but having caught the end of the Chelsea game, Mikel and Terry look a little ragged atm. Neither are exactly playing well of late. Very slow in there approach and some times not up to the standards the rest of the team are setting.

citytillidie

Group Stage Match Day 2

Tonights games
FC Spartak Moskva (RUS) V Celtic FC (SCO)
FC BATE Borisov (BLR) V Bayern Muchen (GER)
Benfica (POR) V Barcelona (ESP)
CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) V Man United (ENG)
Nordsjaellan (DEN) V Chelsea (ENG)
Galatasaray (TUR) V SC Braga (POR)
Juventus (ITA) V Shakhtat Donetsk (UKR)
Valencia (ESP) V LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA)

Tomorrows games
Zenit St Petersburg (RUS) V AC Milan (ITA)
Ajax Amesterdam (NED) V Real Madrid (ESP)
RSC Anderlecht (BEL) V Málaga CF (ESP)
Arsenal (ENG) V Olympiacos (GRE)
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) V GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO)
Man City (ENG) V Borussia Dortrmund (GER)
FC Porto (POR) V Paris Saint-Germain (FRA)
Shalke 04 (GER) V Montpellier (FRA)

citytillidie

Tonights Results
FC Spartak Moskva (RUS) 2 V 3 Celtic FC (SCO)
FC BATE Borisov (BLR) 3 V 1 Bayern Muchen (GER)
Benfica (POR) 0 V 2 Barcelona (ESP)
CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) 1 V 2 Man United (ENG)
Nordsjaellan (DEN) 0 V 4 Chelsea (ENG)
Galatasaray (TUR) 0 V 2 SC Braga (POR)
Juventus (ITA) 1 V 1 Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)
Valencia (ESP) 2 V 0 LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA)

Rekop dog

Going by our trasfer policy, burlesconi has probably agreed a winter transfer window sale for El Shaarawy

markie29

Abbiati has just made an unbelievable save from a Hulk free kick...after Milans good start Zenit have had a few chances to score....been a good game.

1mcampo1

markie29 wrote: »

Abbiati has just made an unbelievable save from a Hulk free kick...after Milans good start Zenit have had a few chances to score....been a good game.

was straight outta the top drawer! was excellent, such a powerful shot, and an even better save.

Milans passing has been poor

Hulk scores for zenit!

markie29

1mcampo1 wrote: »

was straight outta the top drawer! was excellent, such a powerful shot, and an even better save.

Milans passing has been poor

Hulk scores for zenit!

Enjoyed that first half...have to credit Zenit for the way they have played since Milan scored 2nd goal,but Milan as you said their passing has been poor.

1mcampo1

anyukov is the spit of glen whelan!

Seaneh

Cristian is an absolute hero.

Rekop dog

Traps on the panel on some random Italian station I was watching the match on, don't have a clue what he's saying(nowts changed there) but he seems to be having a whale of a time people be glad to hear.

citytillidie

Match Day 3 games
Tonight
FC Spartak Moskva (RUS) V Benfica (POR)
FC BATE Borisov (BLR) V Valencia (ESP)
Barcelona (ESP) V Celtic FC (SCO)
Nordsjaellan (DEN) V Juventus (ITA)
Galatasaray (TUR) V CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU)
LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA) V Bayern Muchen (GER)
Man United (ENG) V SC Braga (POR)
Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) V Chelsea (ENG)

Tomorrow night
Zenit St Petersburg (RUS) V RSC Anderlecht (BEL)
Ajax Amesterdam (NED) V Man City (ENG)
Arsenal (ENG) V Shalke 04 (GER)
GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO) V Paris Saint-Germain (FRA)
Borussia Dortrmund (GER) V Real Madrid (ESP)
Málaga CF (ESP) V AC Milan (ITA)
Montpellier (FRA) V Olympiacos (GRE)
FC Porto (POR) V FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)

Rekop dog

Dortmund v Real has the makings of an eipc!

markie29

Spartak Moscow leading Benfica 1-0 after 4 minutes.

Corvo

citytillidie wrote: »

Match Day 3 games
Tonight
FC Spartak Moskva (RUS) V Benfica (POR)
FC BATE Borisov (BLR) V Valencia (ESP)
Barcelona (ESP) V Celtic FC (SCO)
Nordsjaellan (DEN) V Juventus (ITA)
Galatasaray (TUR) V CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU)
LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA) V Bayern Muchen (GER)
Man United (ENG) V SC Braga (POR)
Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) V Chelsea (ENG)

Tomorrow night
Zenit St Petersburg (RUS) V RSC Anderlecht (BEL)
Ajax Amesterdam (NED) V Man City (ENG)
Arsenal (ENG) V Shalke 04 (GER)
GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO) V Paris Saint-Germain (FRA)
Borussia Dortrmund (GER) V Real Madrid (ESP)
Málaga CF (ESP) V AC Milan (ITA)
Montpellier (FRA) V Olympiacos (GRE)
FC Porto (POR) V FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)

Porto vs Kyiv. Nice. Some very promising players at the Ukrainian side

markie29

half time between Spartak and Benfica...Spartak deservedly lead 2-1.

been a good game have enjoyed it.

citytillidie

Tonights scores and group updates

Ground E
Nordsjaellan (DEN) 1 V 1 Juventus (ITA)
Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) 2 V 1 Chelsea (ENG)

Shakhtar Donetsk PL 3 W 2 D 1 L 0 GF 5 GA 2 GD 3 PTS 7
Chelsea PL 3 W 1 D 1 L 1 GF 7 GA 4 GD 3 PTS 4
Juventus PL 3 W 0 D 3 L 0 GF 4 GA 4 GD 0 PTS 3
Nordsjaellan PL 3 W 0 D 1 L0 GF 1 GA 7 GD -6 PTS 1

Group F
FC BATE Borisov (BLR) 0 V 3 Valencia (ESP)
LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA) 0 V 1 Bayern Muchen (GER)

Valencia PL 3 W 2 D 0 L 1 GF 6 GA 2 GD 4 PTS 6
FC BATE Borisov PL 3 W 2 D 0 L 1 GF 6 GA 5 GD 1 PTS 6
Bayern Muchen PL 3 W 2 D 0 L 1 GF 4 GA 4 GD 0 PTS 6
LOSC Lille Métropole PL 3 W 0 D 0 L 3 GF 1 GA 6 GD -5 PTS 0

Group G
FC Spartak Moskva (RUS) 2 V 1 Benfica (POR)
Barcelona (ESP) 2 V 1 Celtic FC (SCO)

Barcelona PL 3 W 3 D 0 L 0 GF 7 GA 3 GD 4 PTS 9
Celtic FC PL 3 W 1 D 1 L 1 GF 4 GA 4 GD 0 PTS 4
FC Spartak Moskva PL 3 W 1 D 0 L 2 GF 6 GA 7 GD -1 PTS 3
Benfica PL 3 W 0 D 1 L 2 GF 1 GA 4 GD -3 PTS 1

Group H
Galatasaray (TUR) 1 V 1 CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU)
Man United (ENG) 3 V 2 SC Braga (POR)

Man United PL 3 W 3 D 0 L 0 GF 6 GA 3 GD 3 PTS 9
CFR 1907 Cluj PL 3 W 1 D 1 L 1 GF 4 GA 3 GD 1 PTS 4
SC Braga PL 3 W 1 D 0 L 2 GF 4 GA 5 GD -1 PTS 3
Galatasaray PL 3 W 0 D 1 L 2 GF 1 GA 4 GD -3 PTS 1

citytillidie

Tonights results

Ground A
GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO) 0 V 2 Paris Saint-Germain (FRA)
FC Porto (POR) 3 V 2 FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)

FC Porto PL 3 W 3 D 0 L 0 GF 6 GA 2 GD 4 PTS 9
Paris Saint-Germain PL 3 W 2 D 0 L 1 GF 6 GA 2 GD 4 PTS 6
FC Dynamo Kyiv PL 3 W 1 D 0 L 2 GF 5 GA 7 GD -2 PTS 3
GNK Dinamo Zagreb PL 3 W 0 D 0 L 3 GF 0 GA 6 GD -6 PTS 0

Group B
Arsenal (ENG) 0 V 2 Shalke 04 (GER)
Montpellier (FRA) 1 V 2 Olympiacos (GRE)

Shalke 04 PL 3 W 2 D 1 L 0 GF 6 GA 3 GD 3 PTS 7
Arsenal PL 3 W 2 D 0 L 1 GF 5 GA 4 GD 1 PTS 6
Olympiacos PL 3 W 1 D 0 L 2 GF 4 GA 6 GD -2 PTS 3
Montpellier PL 3 W 0 D 1 L 2 GF 4 GA 6 GD -2 PTS 1

Group C
Zenit St Petersburg (RUS) 1 V 0 RSC Anderlecht (BEL)
Málaga CF (ESP) 1 V 0 AC Milan (ITA)

Málaga CF PL 3 W 3 D 0 L 0 GF 7 GA 0 GD 7 PTS 9
AC Milan PL 3 W 1 D 1 L 1 GF 3 GA 3 GD 0 PTS 4
Zenit St Petersburg PL 3 W 1 D 0 L 2 GF 3 GA 6 GD -3 PTS 3
RSC Anderlecht PL 3 W 0 D 1 L 2 GF 0 GA 4 GD -4 PTS 1

Group D
Ajax Amesterdam (NED) 3 V 1 Man City (ENG)
Borussia Dortrmund (GER) 2 V 1 Real Madrid (ESP)

Borussia Dortrmund PL 3 W 2 D 1 L 0 GF 4 GA 2 GD 2 PTS 7
Real Madrid PL 3 W 2 D 0 L 1 GF 8 GA 5 GD 3 PTS 6
Ajax Amesterdam PL 3 W 1 D 0 L 2 GF 4 GA 6 GD -2 PTS 3
Man City PL 3 W 0 D 1 L 2 GF 4 GA 7 GD -3 PTS 1

Technique

Ajax Starting XI:

Vermeer - youth product
Van Rhijn - youth product
Alderweireld - youth product
Moisander - 2.5m
Blind - youth product
Eriksen - youth product
Poulsen - free
Schone - free
Sana - 250k
De Jong - youth product
Babel - free (originally a youth product)

Total cost: 2.75m

MD1990

really competitive CL this year
alot of very good teams

Equium

Technique wrote: »

Ajax Starting XI:

Vermeer - youth product
Van Rhijn - youth product
Alderweireld - youth product
Moisander - 2.5m
Blind - youth product
Eriksen - youth product
Poulsen - free
Schone - free
Sana - 250k
De Jong - youth product
Babel - free (originally a youth product)

Total cost: 2.75m

Eriksen actually cost circa €1 million from Odense.

Pedantry aside, it's a hell of achievement to beat a team like City (whose starting line up reportedly set them back approximately €200 million) with such a meagre outlay on playing staff.

citytillidie

Group stage match day 4

Tonights games

Ground A
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) V GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO)
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) V FC Porto (POR)

Group B
Shalke 04 (GER) V Arsenal (ENG)
Olympiacos (GRE) V Montpellier (FRA)

Group C
RSC Anderlecht (BEL) V Zenit St Petersburg (RUS)
AC Milan (ITA) V Málaga CF (ESP)

Group D
Man City (ENG) V Ajax Amesterdam (NED)
Real Madrid (ESP) V Borussia Dortrmund (GER)

Tomorrows games
Ground E
Juventus (ITA) V Nordsjaellan (DEN)
Chelsea (ENG) V Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)

Group F
Valencia (ESP) V FC BATE Borisov (BLR)
Bayern Muchen (GER) V LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA)

Group G
Benfica (POR) V FC Spartak Moskva (RUS)
Celtic FC (SCO) V Barcelona (ESP)

Group H
CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) V Galatasaray (TUR)
SC Braga (POR) V Man United (ENG)

citytillidie

Tonights Results

Ground A
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) 4 V 0 GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO)
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) 0 V 0 FC Porto (POR)

FC Porto PL 4 W 3 D 1 L 0 GF 6 GA 2 GD 4 PTS 10
Paris Saint-Germain PL 4 W 3 D 0 L 1 GF 10 GA 2 GD 8 PTS 9
FC Dynamo Kyiv PL 4 W 1 D 1 L 2 GF 5 GA 7 GD -2 PTS 4
GNK Dinamo Zagreb PL 4 W 0 D 0 L 4 GF 0 GA 10 GD -10 PTS 0

Group B
Shalke 04 (GER) 2 V 2 Arsenal (ENG)
Olympiacos (GRE) 3 V 1 Montpellier (FRA)

Shalke 04 PL 4 W 2 D 2 L 0 GF 8 GA 5 GD 3 PTS 8
Arsenal PL 4 W 2 D 1 L 1 GF 7 GA 6 GD 1 PTS 7
Olympiacos PL 4 W 2 D 0 L 2 GF 7 GA 7 GD 0 PTS 6
Montpellier PL 4 W 0 D 1 L 3 GF 5 GA 9 GD -4 PTS 1

Group C
RSC Anderlecht (BEL) 1 V 0 Zenit St Petersburg (RUS)
AC Milan (ITA) 1 V 1 Málaga CF (ESP)

Málaga CF PL 4 W 3 D 1 L 0 GF 8 GA 1 GD 7 PTS 10
AC Milan PL 4 W 1 D 2 L 1 GF 4 GA 4 GD 0 PTS 5
RSC Anderlecht PL 4 W 1 D 1 L 2 GF 1 GA 4 GD -3 PTS 4
Zenit St Petersburg PL 4 W 1 D 0 L 3 GF 3 GA 7 GD -4 PTS 3

Group D
Man City (ENG) 2 V 2 Ajax Amesterdam (NED)
Real Madrid (ESP) 2 V 2 Borussia Dortrmund (GER)

Borussia Dortrmund PL 4 W 2 D 2 L 0 GF 6 GA 4 GD 2 PTS 8
Real Madrid PL 4 W 2 D 1 L 1 GF 10 GA 7 GD 3 PTS 7
Ajax Amesterdam PL 4 W 1 D 1 L 2 GF 6 GA 8 GD -2 PTS 4
Man City PL 4 W 0 D 2 L 2 GF 6 GA 9 GD -3 PTS 2

citytillidie

Group E
Juventus (ITA) 4 V 0 Nordsjaellan (DEN)
Chelsea (ENG) 3 V 2 Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)

Shakhtar Donetsk PL 4 W 2 D 1 L 1 GF 7 GA 5 GD 2 PTS 7
Chelsea PL 4 W 2 D 1 L 1 GF 10 GA 5 GD 5 PTS 7
Juventus PL 4 W 1 D 3 L 0 GF 8 GA 4 GD 4 PTS 6
Nordsjaellan PL 4 W 0 D 1 L 3 GF 1 GA 11 GD -10 PTS 1

Group F
Valencia (ESP) 4 V 2 FC BATE Borisov (BLR)
Bayern Muchen (GER) 6 V 1 LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA)

Bayern Muchen PL 4 W 3 D 0 L 1 GF 10 GA 5 GD 5 PTS 9
Valencia PL 4 W 3 D 0 L 1 GF 10 GA 4 GD 6 PTS 9
FC BATE Borisov PL 4 W 2 D 0 L 2 GF 8 GA 9 GD -1 PTS 6
LOSC Lille Métropole PL 4 W 0 D 0 L 4 GF 2 GA 12 GD -10 PTS 0

Group G
Benfica (POR) 2 V 0 FC Spartak Moskva (RUS)
Celtic FC (SCO) 2 V 1 Barcelona (ESP)

Barcelona PL 4 W 3 D 0 L 1 GF 8 GA 5 GD 3 PTS 9
Celtic FC PL 4 W 2 D 1 L 1 GF 6 GA 5 GD 1 PTS 7
Benfica PL 4 W 1 D 1 L 2 GF 3 GA 4 GD -1 PTS 4
FC Spartak Moskva PL 4 W 1 D 0 L 3 GF 6 GA 9 GD -3 PTS 3


Group H
CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) 1 V 3 Galatasaray (TUR)
SC Braga (POR) 1 V 3 Man United (ENG)

Man United PL 4 W 4 D 0 L 0 GF 9 GA 4 GD 5 PTS 12
CFR 1907 Cluj PL 4 W 1 D 1 L 2 GF 5 GA 6 GD -1 PTS 4
Galatasaray PL 4 W 1 D 1 L 2 GF 4 GA 5 GD -1 PTS 4
SC Braga PL 4 W 1 D 0 L 3 GF 5 GA 8 GD -3 PTS 3

citytillidie

Match day 4 fixtures

Tonight

Group E
Nordsjaellan (DEN) V Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)
Juventus (ITA) V Chelsea (ENG)

Group F
FC BATE Borisov (BLR) V LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA)
Valencia (ESP) V Bayern Muchen (GER)

Group G
FC Spartak Moskva (RUS) V Barcelona (ESP)
Benfica (POR) V Celtic FC (SCO)

Group H
Galatasaray (TUR) V Man United (ENG)
CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) V SC Braga (POR)

Tomorrow
Group A
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) V Paris Saint-Germain (FRA)
FC Porto (POR) V GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO)

Group B
Arsenal (ENG) V Montpellier (FRA)
Shalke 04 (GER) V Olympiacos (GRE)

Group C
RSC Anderlecht (BEL) V AC Milan (ITA)
Zenit St Petersburg (RUS) V Málaga CF (ESP)

Group D
Ajax Amesterdam (NED) V Borussia Dortrmund (GER)
Man City (ENG) V Real Madrid (ESP)

dreamers75

Shaktar score controversial goal, player kicks it back to goalie for fair play reasons but Adiriano gets on the end of it and rounds the keeper to score.

A lot of angry danish players, Njord just scored again tho so some justice.

citytillidie

Group E
Nordsjaellan (DEN) 2 V 5 Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)
Juventus (ITA) 3 V 0 Chelsea (ENG)

Shakhtar Donetsk PL 5 W 3 D 1 L 1 GF 12 GA 7 GD 5 PTS 10
Juventus PL 5 W 2 D 3 L 0 GF 11 GA 4 GD 7 PTS 9
Chelsea PL 5 W 2 D 1 L 2 GF 10 GA 8 GD 2 PTS 7
Nordsjaellan PL 5 W 0 D 1 L 4 GF 3 GA 16 GD -13 PTS 1

Group F
FC BATE Borisov (BLR) 0 V 2 LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA)
Valencia (ESP) 1 V 1 Bayern Muchen (GER)

Bayern Muchen PL 5 W 3 D 1 L 1 GF 11 GA 6 GD 5 PTS 10
Valencia PL 5 W 3 D 1 L 1 GF 11 GA 5 GD 6 PTS 10
FC BATE Borisov PL 5 W 2 D 0 L 3 GF 8 GA 11 GD -3 PTS 6
LOSC Lille Métropole PL 5 W 1 D 0 L 4 GF 4 GA 12 GD -8 PTS 3

Group G
FC Spartak Moskva (RUS) 0 V 3 Barcelona (ESP)
Benfica (POR) 2 V 1 Celtic FC (SCO)

Barcelona PL 5 W 4 D 0 L 1 GF 11 GA 5 GD 6 PTS 12
Benfica PL 5 W 2 D 1 L 2 GF 5 GA 5 GD 0 PTS 7
Celtic FC PL 5 W 2 D 1 L 2 GF 7 GA 7 GD 0 PTS 7
FC Spartak Moskva PL 5 W 1 D 0 L 4 GF 6 GA 12 GD -6 PTS 3

Group H
Galatasaray (TUR) 1 V 0 Man United (ENG)
CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) 3 V 1 SC Braga (POR)

Man United PL 5 W 4 D 0 L 1 GF 9 GA 5 GD 4 PTS 12
Galatasaray PL 5 W 2 D 1 L 2 GF 5 GA 5 GD 0 PTS 7
CFR 1907 Cluj PL 5 W 2 D 1 L 2 GF 8 GA 7 GD 1 PTS 7
SC Braga PL 5 W 1 D 0 L 4 GF 6 GA 11 GD -5 PTS 3

jacool

dreamers75 wrote: »

Shaktar score controversial goal, player kicks it back to goalie for fair play reasons but Adiriano gets on the end of it and rounds the keeper to score.

A lot of angry danish players, Njord just scored again tho so some justice.

No.
Justice will be when they have a player down injured and the opposition play on and score. He knew what he had done, and none of his team mates congratulated him - then he tried to act surprised. Truly bad form. I know there is no actual rule, but its just players looking out for each other. They can exclude Shaktar from that arrangement now.

eagle eye

Malaga 2-0 up on Zenith already. I'm a big Pellegrini fan and he really has done a job at Malaga.

citytillidie

Tonights scores
Group A
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) 0 V 2 Paris Saint-Germain (FRA)
FC Porto (POR) 3 V 0 GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO)

FC Porto PL 5 W 4 D 1 L 0 GF 9 GA 2 GD 7 PTS 13
Paris Saint-Germain PL 5 W 4 D 0 L 1 GF 12 GA 2 GD 10 PTS 12
FC Dynamo Kyiv PL 5 W 1 D 1 L 3 GF 5 GA 9 GD -4 PTS 4
GNK Dinamo Zagreb PL 5 W 0 D 0 L 5 GF 0 GA 13 GD -13 PTS 0

Group B
Arsenal (ENG) 2 V 0 Montpellier (FRA)
Shalke 04 (GER) 1 V 0 Olympiacos (GRE)

Shalke 04 PL 5 W 3 D 2 L 0 GF 9 GA 5 GD 4 PTS 11
Arsenal PL 5 W 3 D 1 L 1 GF 9 GA 6 GD 3 PTS 10
Olympiacos PL 5 W 2 D 0 L 3 GF 7 GA 8 GD -1 PTS 6
Montpellier PL 5 W 0 D 1 L 4 GF 5 GA 11 GD -6 PTS 1

Group C
RSC Anderlecht (BEL) 1 V 3 AC Milan (ITA)
Zenit St Petersburg (RUS) 2 V 2 Málaga CF (ESP)

Málaga CF PL 5 W 3 D 2 L 0 GF 10 GA 3 GD 7 PTS 11
AC Milan PL 5 W 2 D 2 L 1 GF 7 GA 5 GD 2 PTS 8
Zenit St Petersburg PL 5 W 1 D 1 L 3 GF 5 GA 9 GD -4 PTS 4
RSC Anderlecht PL 5 W 1 D 1 L 3 GF 2 GA 7 GD -5 PTS 4

Group D
Ajax Amesterdam (NED) 1 V 4 Borussia Dortrmund (GER)
Man City (ENG) 1 V 1 Real Madrid (ESP)

Borussia Dortrmund PL 5 W 3 D 2 L 0 GF 10 GA 5 GD 5 PTS 11
Real Madrid PL 5 W 2 D 2 L 1 GF 11 GA 8 GD 3 PTS 8
Ajax Amesterdam PL 5 W 1 D 1 L 3 GF 7 GA 12 GD -5 PTS 4
Man City PL 5 W 0 D 3 L 2 GF 7 GA 10 GD -3 PTS 3

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Games Tonight
Group A
GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO) V FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) V FC Porto (POR)

Group B
Montpellier (FRA) V Shalke 04 (GER)
Olympiacos (GRE) V Arsenal (ENG)

Group C
AC Milan (ITA) V Zenit St Petersburg (RUS)
Málaga CF (ESP) V RSC Anderlecht (BEL)


Group D
Borussia Dortrmund (GER) V Man City (ENG)
Real Madrid (ESP) V Ajax Amesterdam (NED)



Games Tomorrow
Group E
Chelsea (ENG) V Nordsjaellan (DEN)
Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) V Juventus (ITA)

Group F
Bayern Muchen (GER) V FC BATE Borisov (BLR)
LOSC Lille Métropole (FRA) V Valencia (ESP)

Group G
Celtic FC (SCO) V FC Spartak Moskva (RUS)
Barcelona (ESP) V Benfica (POR)

Group H
Man United (ENG) CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU)
SC Braga (POR) V Galatasaray (TUR)

Professional Griefer

Theres a great piece up on UEFAs site, explaining the permutations.

While 13 of the places in the UEFA Champions League round of 16 are filled, including all four Spanish entrants, the remaining three remain up for grabs with holders Chelsea FC among the six teams in contention in the final group games on 4 and 5 December.

First place in four groups, with seeding in the round of 16 draw, will also be decided then as will the identities of five of the eight teams that will transfer to the UEFA Europa League round of 32 by finishing third. UEFA.com talks you through the permutations.

The round of 16 draw will be held in Nyon at 11.30CET on Thursday 20 December. The group winners will be drawn against the group runners-up, though no team can play a club they met in the group stage or from their own association. The away teams will be at home in the first legs on 12/13/19/20 February and away in the second legs on 5/6/12/13 March.

Season calendar

The permutations below are for information only; the official calculations will be made by UEFA after the games finish according to article 7.06 of the Regulations of the UEFA Champions League.

Qualified for the last 16: FC Porto, Paris Saint-Germain FC, FC Schalke 04, Arsenal FC, Málaga CF*, AC Milan, Borussia Dortmund*, Real Madrid CF, FC Shakhtar Dontesk, FC Bayern München, Valencia CF, FC Barcelona*, Manchester United FC*

*group winners

Can still qualify: Juventus or Chelsea FC; SL Benfica or Celtic FC; Galatasaray AŞ or CFR 1907 Cluj (in each case the unsuccessful club will transfer to the UEFA Europa League)

Confirmed in the UEFA Europa League: FC Dynamo Kyiv, Olympiacos FC, FC BATE Borisov

Can qualify for UEFA Europa League: FC Zenit St Petersburg or RSC Anderlecht; AFC Ajax or Manchester City FC (in each case the unsuccessful club will be eliminated from Europe)

Eliminated from Europe: GNK Dinamo Zagreb, Montpellier Hérault SC, FC Nordsjælland, FC Spartak Moskva, LOSC Lille, SC Braga

Tuesday 4 December

Group A

Paris Saint-Germain FC (12pts) v FC Porto (13), GNK Dinamo Zagreb (0) v FC Dynamo Kyiv (4)

• Porto have qualified with the highest points tally of any team after five games and will clinch first place with a win or a draw in Paris.

• PSG are also through but must beat Porto to finish top.

• Dynamo will transfer to the UEFA Europa League.

• Dinamo are out of Europe.

Group B

Olympiacos FC (6pts) v Arsenal FC (10), Montpellier Hérault SC (1) v FC Schalke 04 (11)

• Schalke are through and will win the group if they get three points in France or if Arsenal are denied victory in Greece due to their head-to-head superiority over the English club.

• Arsenal have progressed from their group for the 13th year running but to end in first place must win at Olympiacos and hope Schalke do not beat Montpellier.

• Olympiacos will transfer to the UEFA Europa League.

• Montpellier are out of Europe.

Group C

Málaga CF (11pts) v RSC Anderlecht (4), AC Milan (8) v FC Zenit St Petersburg (4)

• Málaga have qualified as group winners due to their head-to-head superiority over Milan.

• Milan are through as runners-up.

• Zenit lie third on goal difference as they are level on head-to-head with Anderlecht, with whom they are competing for a UEFA Europa League berth. If the two matches in the group end with a draw, Zenit will qualify for the UEFA Europa League due to the superior goal difference from all group matches played.

• Anderlecht will reach the UEFA Europa League if they pick up more points than Zenit or overturn their goal difference deficit (see Article 7.06 of the Regulations)

Group D

Borussia Dortmund (11pts) v Manchester City FC (3), Real Madrid CF (8) v AFC Ajax (4)

• Dortmund have qualified as group winners due to their head-to-head superiority over Madrid.

• Madrid are through as runners-up, the 16th year in a row they have made it out of their group.

• Ajax will qualify for the UEFA Europa League, of which they host the final, if they win in Madrid or if Manchester City fail to gain victory at Dortmund due to the Dutch side's head-to-head superiority over the English club.

• Manchester City will qualify for the UEFA Europa League if they win in Dortmund and Ajax fail to gain victory.

Heres the link.

Paully D

Lawrence1895

Allez Montpellier :P