PILOT TRAINING COLLEGE(PTC) GOING OUT OF BUSINESS

phoenix999

saspeir wrote: »

Check this out.

Uniforms and all. All bout the image hey. :cool: :rolleyes:[


Don't forget to check out the impressive placards. One deluded individual classed them as 'fantastic'. Lord above!

Delancey

I hope their protest gets ' egged '

bkehoe

Delancey wrote: »

I hope their protest gets ' egged '

In fairness they should be egging PTC lol. I think we should all chip in and hire a bus to go along to the Dail, collect them, give them some advice on how they should be pursuing their dreams, and bring them down to Waterford airport so they can protest in a suitable location.

nuggetclv

"It is finally here ... the day we go out in force and picket the Dail in order to get the government to understand out cause and let us continue our training at no extra cost. A lot of people feel that the government shouldn't have to act as we paid to a private company however what is good to note is that Pilot Training College was regulated but the Irish Aviation Authority which in turn was regulated by the Irish government, so if you follow the chain of command the government hold the overall responsibility !

Anyhow if you are in Dublin today please come support us at Dail Eireann at 12 noon and lets make it happen !

Press and Media will be in attendance"

Quote from this page:
http://www.facebook.com/SupportPtcCashStrappedPilotsCrisis


I'm no expert on what the IAA does and doesn't do, but all that happens as regrards regulation to do with finance is that they check if the company has enough money so they won't cut corners, as someone said. Again, this is because the IAA are responsible for "safety regulation of the civil aviation industry in Ireland" as their website says.

I feel sorry for all of those who are left 85grand out of pocket, but all they can really do is either chase Edgeworth or make noise like they're doing. There seems to be a basic lack of understanding that they lost money in a limited company, and can't just get it back because the IAA gave PTC approval as an FTO. It's not their fault they went bust!

bluecode

Ha ha I commented on their Facebook page, quite politely. Wishing them luck but pointing out that the taxpayer will not be funding their training.
Which is true.

I was called a moron. Kind of proves the point made by one or two others about their attitude.

Good luck beause that is all you have going for you.

jmayo

A320 wrote: »

I can imagine with these peoples names in the public domain causing trouble a job anywhere other than Iraqi Airways is unlikely

I can see them all in Dave's Bushpilots II, trying to get work in Maun and wondering why your wan in Wilderness Air thinks they are a bunch of spanners.

bkehoe wrote: »

In fairness they should be egging PTC lol. I think we should all chip in and hire a bus to go along to the Dail, collect them, give them some advice on how they should be pursuing their dreams, and bring them down to Waterford airport so they can protest in a suitable location.

Fook that they can pay for their own bus and they have all the way through refused to listen to any reason or any alternative arguments.
Otherwise they would probably not be in the mess in the first place.

bluecode wrote: »

Ha ha I commented on their Facebook page, quite politely. Wishing them luck but pointing out that the taxpayer will not be funding their training.
Which is true.

I was called a moron. Kind of proves the point made by one or two others about their attitude.

Good luck beause that is all you have going for you

Seriously did they call you a moron for saying that ?
With an attitude like that they don't deserve any luck.

urajoke

bluecode wrote: »

Ha ha I commented on their Facebook page, quite politely. Wishing them luck but pointing out that the taxpayer will not be funding their training.
Which is true.

I was called a moron. Kind of proves the point made by one or two others about their attitude.

Good luck beause that is all you have going for you.

The shame about FB is they can delete unwanted comments, I think yours is there but the "morons" one is gone.

Seriously why aren't they picketing PTC, any solicitor will tell you they should be their first port of call not the Government. Surely you should exhaust all attempts at getting your money back from them first, technically they are still liquid and haven't filed bankruptcy.

As for you stating

picket the Dail in order to get the government to understand our cause with regard to the continuation of our training at no extra cost

that won't be happening, there is little to......forget that there isn't even little chance of your getting free training on the tax payers back.

If you do get to meet the Minister which I doubt and you take your "entitled" attitude with you he will just smile and maybe laugh and show you the door and remember he will probably only facilitate a meeting as it will make HIM look better in the media.

Yes you lost money in most cases your parents money but many other people got burned bigger than you in recent years.

Recession is when a neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose your career !!!

So out of touch with reality it doesn't deserve further comment.

bluecode

jmayo wrote: »

Seriously did they call you a moron for saying that ?
With an attitude like that they don't deserve any luck.

Seriously and the reply wasn't from some random member but obviously the admin. Who promptly banned me from any other comment. Incidentally there is another similar comment on the same lines there now. That's not me. Somehow he avoided being called a moron although he said essentially the same thing.

I'll remember that. This is a small community.

Xpro

jmayo wrote: »

I can see them all in Dave's Bushpilots II, trying to get work in Maun and wondering why your wan in Wilderness Air thinks they are a bunch of spanners.

For PTC students with that attitude, Bush flying would be the bottom of the barrel.
They are VIP people, real pilots and they will only wear uniforms, request high standards and fly an A380 or a Dreamliner!

saspeir

Seanad seeks intervention by minister over trainee pilots' plight - RTé

Delancey

saspeir wrote: »

Seanad seeks intervention by minister over trainee pilots' plight - RTé

Proof if it were ever required of the urgent need to abolish that bunch of wasters / wannabees / has-beens......

jmayo

Xpro wrote: »

For PTC students with that attitude, Bush flying would be the bottom of the barrel.
They are VIP people, real pilots and they will only wear uniforms, request high standards and fly an A380 or a Dreamliner!

Probably very true.
What was I thinking, maybe some of them would do it for the publicity ?
But I can't see these people staying in a tent in temperatures over 30C for two months. :rolleyes:

Anyone I have known running small operations, (be they passenger, freight, rental, training, tourist, firespotting, etc) would not touch these guys with a barge pole.

Can you imagine one of these guys landing at a dirt strip or a remote lake only to find they were expected to do the loading and unloading.
Oh and the nice clean uniforms would be in rag order after a day and they couldn't be having that.

saspeir wrote: »

Seanad seeks intervention by minister over trainee pilots' plight - RTé

I have said all along that somebody is definetly well connected.

I feel sorry for the likes of SrS123, the PTC would be pilot that posted so eloquently and frankly here, as he will be tarred with the same brush as the spanners with the unbelievable sense of entitlement.

EDIT: the more I look at that facebook page, the more it looks like a bunch of kids.

Deatr

Please don't tarnish all PTC students with the same brush. I'm a former student and am very embarrassed by these people's behaviour. I certainly don't have their attitude, I worked damn hard to get through my training and even harder to get my first job! And there are others that did as well!

jmayo

jmayo wrote: »

Probably very true.

I feel sorry for the likes of SrS123, the PTC would be pilot that posted so eloquently and frankly here, as he will be tarred with the same brush as the spanners with the unbelievable sense of entitlement.

EDIT: the more I look at that facebook page, the more it looks like a bunch of kids.

Deatr wrote: »

Please don't tarnish all PTC students with the same brush. I'm a former student and am very embarrassed by these people's behaviour. I certainly don't have their attitude, I worked damn hard to get through my training and even harder to get my first job! And there are others that did as well!

Please see the second last line of my post above.

Sadly PTC students like the aforementioned SrS123 and ex PTC students like yourself will be tarred with the same brush.

These KIDS are doing themselves no favours in the long run.
Looking at some comments, they and their parents actually think PTC was equivalent to a third level college and not a limited company engaged in commerical training.
Fooking deluded arrogant self entitled bunch.

coylemj

saspeir wrote: »

Seanad seeks intervention by minister over trainee pilots' plight - RTé

From the RTE report above...

Trainee pilots and their families will also meet the minister and gardaí to discuss the collapse of their course.

Could it be that having purchased shirts with epaulettes they've decided on a career change and want to join the Gardai instead?

nuggetclv

PTC now granted examinership by the High Court.
Updated RTÉ story.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0718/trainee-pilots.html

FlyingEye

PTC granted examinership this afternoon. (Same link Saspeir put up earlier has but updated) http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0718/trainee-pilots.html

What will this mean for PTC from a practical point of view? Can't see the IAA restoring their approval until further funding etc is in place (and all those owed money or training sorted as well).

FlyingEye

FlyingEye

Beat me to it nuggetclv! Sorry, didn't see your post up before I replied

Bobinkerry

FlyingEye wrote: »

Beat me to it nuggetclv! Sorry, didn't see your post up before I replied

Yeah i agree with flyingeye,i can't see the iaa just giving an approval back before there is sufficient funding.And also before all the other students are sorted 1st.in the court statement they say most of the students have been sorted out by them with new training etc, that's not true, otherwise why are the students protesting!!!!!

Jesus Nut

Looking at them in the photos, my first reaction was a large cringe and a face palm followed by "OH MY GOD"...!

Never seen one of those at any Fly In around the country through out the years ! Never seen any of them volunteering at the local airstrips !!
Says it all really.

Delancey

There are 2 vital ingredients required for a business to successfully emerge from Examinership - debt write off and fresh investment.
For PTC to survive they will need to screw their creditors and try and get an investor involved .
Relatively few examinerships are succeeding nowadays largely due to the reluctance of investors to get involved , it seems that those with cash are keeping it safe .

Cannot see a long line of investors banging down the doors of PTC.

Su Campu

Something just doesn't sit right with me about the fact that all the students' efforts seem to be focused only on the IAA/Government when they should be on the PTC. All their releases, all their Facebook drivel, etc. don't show any intentions of going after the actual crowd who took their money, and instead seem to focus on hounding someone else to pay it back instead. What are they hiding? Are they afraid of Edgeworth? Is there something there that we don't know about? It's all becoming very suspicious....

FlyingEye

Hmmm.....anyone starting to smell a rat here or isit just me?

Been doing some digging, and this may be a case of 2+2=5 but here goes!..We know that PTC was in the process of stting up a new school in Cambridge, UK under CAA approval. By all accounts, a few million quid was invested. A few (say 50) €85,000 enrolment fees later......(Students - want to know where your money went???). I gather that the approval application was at a relatively advanced stage (until those meddlers at the IAA got wind of financial problems and suspended their approvals, which no doubt alerted the CAA) and if it had, what would have become of the Waterford operation? A 'regional' multi-IR only specialist??? Enter examinership and talk of 3 'interested' investors and a change of tack for the business to concentrate on multi-IR training!! These investors wouldn't have one eye on whatever was invested in at Cambridge by any chance? Could this have been the plan all along?? Stiff FIT in Florida for $1.2M, go for examinership to getthe bulkt written off and start afresh with a nice shiny new school in Cambridge and a small operation in Waterford for multi-IRs! Of course, it could just be poor management that got them in this mess, but maybe there's more to this than meets the eye!

private dick

Has everyone forgotten that this is not the first time edgeworth has carried out this scam.....remember the flight school in Cork in the 90's where the students were ripped off???

And, what about Flight Safety at Vero Beach where he tried the same accusations against the training provider so as not to pay the bill?

Edgeworth is not only an embarrassment to the aviation industry but our country!! This is making the news on both sides of the Atlantic.

This thread needs to get back on track and focus on where is the money!!! Has it been invested into real estate? Different companies? What?? Where?? Where is it?

If a student didn't complete a lesson then shouldn't the money still be in the students account? (Not bullied out of them to pay PTC bills!) We should be asking..'why can't the students get their money back'? Why do they have to pay MORE money to another FTO?? WHERE IS THE MONEY?

Is too easy to bash the PTC students for going to the media and a lot of posts have been critical of them. Whether you agree with their course of action is irrevelant in my opinion. Why are we going after these young, ambitious pilots who are just trying to get their money back or training completed? Why did the question of "where is the money Mr. Edgeworth" die a quick death?

A person like captain edgeworth (HAHAHAHA...think i puked a bit in my mouth while I typed this) should not be allowed to conduct aviation business any further. He is a vain and dangerous embarrassment to our industry!

Delancey

Su Campu wrote: »

Something just doesn't sit right with me about the fact that all the students' efforts seem to be focused only on the IAA/Government when they should be on the PTC. All their releases, all their Facebook drivel, etc. don't show any intentions of going after the actual crowd who took their money, and instead seem to focus on hounding someone else to pay it back instead. What are they hiding? Are they afraid of Edgeworth? Is there something there that we don't know about? It's all becoming very suspicious....

I think they know their money ( parents money to be exact ) has vanished up the arse of PCT and will never be seen again and are just trying to blitz IAA / Government with their sob story ( ably assisted by their pals in RTE ).
I think the IAA made a big mistake paying for their flights home.

Donerkebab

I personally don't feel any remorse for the trainees. I have been interested in flying since a child and carried that through when I joined a local flying club. Initially flying models then getting the odd trip up in a Microlight and eventually on to fly-ins.

Last summer Ptc had an offer for a somewhat reduced aptitude test. Beforehand I researched all over, kept digging and was not entirely sure that the industry was a viable one to find work and what I noticed most of all was from various posters to avoid them.

I went anyway to the test and passed it with flying colours, how i would be the perfect candidate. I was told that after the training I would have no problem finding a job, even though the place seemed littered with just completed training guys. The place was so slick looking and didn't seem right. I decided to leave it for now and get a degree with a view to looking into it in the future.

I was up until recently receiving calls telling me a place was suddenly available and that I could be on the next flight to Florida.

I just ignored them.

Delancey

Was Edgeworth involved in the European College of Aeronautics ?

edgeworthless

A pilot that has no empathy with fellow colleagues or potential colleagues is not someone I would want on my team. As for passing the PTC aptitude tests... as long as you could sign your name on a cheque you were in.....
Many people tried to warn of this Ponzi Pyramid scheme but had the posts or blogs removed or censored by people with vested interests.

Also, PTC IS NOT A COLLEGE, IT NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE. IT IS A BUSINESS AND YOU ARE CUSTOMERS NOT STUDENTS OR GRADUATES.
The WTC affiliation is as false as the honesty of Kieran Byrne (expenses fraud! remember?)

Perhaps 13 houses in waterford is where some of the money is! Perhaps the Irish Transport minister can answer between cocktails and rounds of golf at Faithlegg with Edgeworth?

I have another question. Where is the 2 million dollar grant given to Edgeworth by Florida State?

edgeworthless

Not to my knowledge he wasn't but worth a look

edgeworthless

Delancey wrote: »

Was Edgeworth involved in the European College of Aeronautics ?

not to my knowledge but worth a look