PILOT TRAINING COLLEGE(PTC) GOING OUT OF BUSINESS

jasonb

I feel sorry for anyone who loses money like this, it must be terrible.

But I've no time for anyone who then starts blaming everyone ( including the Government ) for the problem. That last quote is literally a joke, the Government owes these people nothing. As Delancey says, personal responsibility needs to come into this somewhere ( both for the students, and PTC! ).

But maybe personal responsibilty just isn't a big thing in this country? Slightly off-topic, but yesterday's survey about Alcohol use in Ireland said that 85% believe Alcohol consumption is too high, and 58% believe the Government needs to do more about it. So does the 85% believe that only the other 15% drink all that Alcohol? Maybe those 58% should just drink a little less themselves, and not wait for the Government to stop them? It's a typical attitude here, *someone* else is always responsible. Change is good, as long as it's someone else who is doing the changing...

When it comes down to it, those students took a chance with a company, and that company folded. They have a right to have issues with the company, but not with anyone else...

J.

urajoke

"The least the Irish Government owes us is the rest of our training."

They lost ALL credibility with me when they said that, The Government owe you nothing, WE owe you nothing it's PTC that owe you and I suggest you sue them, but good luck with that I think you will need it. How many people requiring urgent medical treatment would be delayed it so they could train you to be a pilot ? You do realise that the HSE is €300 million over budget with zeros included that looks like this €300,000,000 a lot of money, and you want the government to fund your luxury !

Welcome to being a grown up, you get s**t on every now and then and you get used to it.

Those students press releases look like the ranting and tantrums of a teenager and very difficult to read.

Su Campu

I can't believe it, if the LEAST the government owes them is their training, what then is the most? Give them free personal use of the government jet whenever they need to take it for the weekend? These guys are understandably upset but now they're starting to hallucinate.

AndyC555

My blood is boiling reading this thread

PTC STUDENTS you have some brace necks I tell you.

Quite why you guys handed over €85k UPFRONT is COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY MIND-BOGGLING TO ME.

ANYBODY who is looking at getting into aviation and has done even 5 minutes of online research knows that YOU NEVER EVER EVER PAY UPFRONT FOR FLIGHT TRAINING.

It is an absolute disgrace that you have the nerve to issue these press releases demanding the irish government, that is to say the tax payer, come to your financial aid as if the whole of Ireland owes you something. Your own stupidity has gotten you in the position you are in today.

Nonoperational

I must say I find the "I told you so" almost gloating attitude of some of the posters on the forum horrible, but unfortunately I agree with the sentiment. Regulation, or lack of, doesn't reduce the necessity to be 100% sure of an €80k investment. If you had gone out and bought shares in an Irish bank you'd be in the same situation and that was supposedly a highly regulated industry.

AndyC555

Somebody in PR please get a hold of these children and tell them to keep quiet. As said above your press releases sound like the ranting and ravings of a disgruntled teenager and if you are to salvage even the slightest hope of resuming your training and having a career in aviation may I suggest you try silence or a no comment policy.

yaeger

O I really did'nt want to enter this topic..

Sorry to hear lads and lassies what has happened, but its happened before and will happen again. Get a lawyer and pursue Edgewortless as a group! but I imagine he is as broke as you now, picture pinky wallace with stripes and a haircut and alot less business savvy.
You have made a good job of publicising your plight but careful as you go as I feel emotion and desperation is creeping into your mission and this is pointless and gains nothing.
You are all young, you will bounce back and you are still all potential pilots but your road may now be a different one. I know people that have been there before in similiar situations but you have your health and ability to earn so get on with it.
You have learnt a life lesson the hard way, many will hopefully learn and take it on board the easy way by reading here.

I am sorry for what's happened but you are owed nothing by anyone other then PTC, except that and live with your choice of FTO.

I wish you all the best in your futures.

CharlieOscar

I have posted on this topic already, and following "PTC STUDENT's" post, all I can ask is -

Why do you think "the least the Irish Government can do is pay for the rest of your training"?

What reason do they have to pay for your training. I think you will find that most state sponsered programmes already have financing agreements in place before training commences, no as stated already when it suits your agenda.

I for one will totally object to any state sponsorship of any kind. As stated already, sue the provider of the contract who has failed in their duty to uphold the terms and conditions of the contract.

You can probably see that not even the mildly sympathisers on here have much patients for your plight. You engaged in a contract, I am sure before signing the contract you read it and by signing it, you were happy with the content of same, and I am sure if in doubt you took legal advise on your investment......or at least thats what we would all do if we were paying for a promise of a service up front!!!

Su Campu

I see the PTC website is still business as usual. My favourite page is this one, where even they themselves warn of the importace of "careful consideration" when paying fees to any FTO.

http://www.pilottrainingcollege.com/finance.aspx

Xpro

With that sort of childish carrying on and blaming everyone for your own mistake of not researching the place, unfortunately i can tell you,yous wont be getting too far with your employment in an airline.
That sort of behavior is expressing your immaturity unfortunately, and i can gurantee you this is not what airlines will want in first place.

You need to take it up with PTC and PTC only! and get someone to give you some good advice, because at this stage you`r sounding desperate and very inmature with this sort of press scandal and hype.

Why not get on to the US goverment aswell since you were training in Florida?
Or ring Obama and blame the FIT?

It slowly time to wake up lads, this is a tough game,nothing comes free in this world especially in the Aviation industry.

cocoshovel

I have only been vaguely following this thread, but one comment mentioned that anybody with a bit of brains would know PTC is a bad school, only people who joined it are those who know nothing about flying and never read magazines/hung around at the local airfield blah blah etc.

I did all of those things, subscribed to flying in Ireland, read internet forums, hung around at the airfield and snapped pictures whenever I could, I even managed to get 6 or 7 flying lessons before I stopped it, and even then I always thought PTC was a great school. Nobody told me otherwise, and tbh I only started hearing bad things about it once I joined boards.ie

I could have easily been one of those students who joined PTC to train to be a pilot without knowing it had a bad record or that I shouldnt have given 85k upfront. Cut them a little bit of slack in that regards. Not everybody follows every little comment/thread on boards.ie to know about PTC.

You would see the big A4 adverts in every flyingIreland edition saying how great it was and that they needed more pilots that ever, and on the W.I.T opening days and Dublin college exbo's for leaving cert students they were there with a booth and handing out leaflets. Easy to be mislead and falsey informed is all I guess.

Thats all I wanted to say in regards to a previous few comments a few pages back.

jmayo

I think these posts shows the delusion amongst some of the PTC students.

Firstly they were deluded enough to think the marketing spiel of PTC, even though a cursory check on the internet would have brought up the fact that PTC and it's marketing had been slapped on the wrist for false and untruthful advertising in Oct 2010.

Secondly it appears that they did not even understand the role of the IAA and the fact that they have no responsibility or jurisdiction over the financial stability of organisations working in the aviation industry in Ireland.
A cursory check in IAAs website would have shown what they actually do and are responsible for.

The Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) is a commercial semi state company employing approximately 700 people at six locations around Ireland. The IAA has two main functions; the provision of air traffic management & related services in Irish controlled airspace and the safety regulation of the civil aviation industry in ireland. The safety regulatory functions inlcude;

The Times BuildingCertifying and registering aircraft airworthiness
Licensing personnel and organisations involved in aircraft maintenance
Licensing pilots, air traffic controllers and aerodromes
Approving and monitoring air carrier operating standards.

Safety is our business and underlines everything we do

Thirdly they coughed up over 80 grand upfront to an aviation organisation.

Fourthly the students now are deluded in believing that the Irish state bears responsibility for this mess and thus "owes" them.
There is waffle about the state and government failing them.

Irish governments are now renowned for their failure towards young Irish people. The decision of Fine Gael and Labour to refuse a Senate or Dail debate about this complete debacle is more of the same. The State through its failures is part of this catastrophe that has befallen us. The government through its agency, the IAA, licensed the Pilot Training College as a fit and proper organisation to provide us with the education we were seeking, and so it should publicly admit and accept its failures and its responsibility.

Well PTC students you should also take a look in the mirror if you are looking for some of those responsible for the mess you are in.

I don't care if this sounds cruel, but if this is the level of common sense displayed and lack of maning up to their responsibility by these would be pilots then maybe the aviation world is better off if they don't become commerical pilots.

Leftbase got a lot of stick around here for his comments about some PTC students.
I think his impression of them has been borne out and maybe a few posters need to apologise for lambasting him for his viewpoint.

saspeir

jmayo wrote: »

Leftbase got a lot of stick around here for his comments about some PTC students.
I think his impression of them has been borne out and maybe a few posters need to apologise for lambasting him for his viewpoint.

You're referring to me there I take it?

I won't apologise. I stick by what I said. Revelling in their misfortune is not nice. I think it's a bad trait in anyone.

I've been consistent in all that I've said. I'm not for making fun of PTC students or a way of seeing this as revenge for what some individuals may or may not have said in the past. But I'm certainly not for paying for their mistakes, which I do think there are a few...

jmayo

saspeir wrote: »

You're referring to me there I take it?

I won't apologise. I stick by what I said. Revelling in their misfortune is not nice. I think it's a bad trait in anyone.

I am not on about revelling in their misfortune, but his/her statements about some of them being a bunch of spoilt arrogant childish twats which I believe he/she did say somewhere along the lines.
The statements being released by them reeks of that attitude.
They now want, actually see it as their right, to have the government (i.e. the taxpayers) step in and pay for the rest of their training, because they are owed it.
We owe them fook all.

I will admit have never had much sympathy for them because I just think they were crazy to fork out that amount of cash up front, for something they will recieve sometime down the line.
What make sit even worse is you are dealing with aviation companies which are notorious for closing overnight.
Jeeze they didn't even get to fly for months.

I don't think one should gloat and say "we told you so", but there is a lot of truth to the fact that people were warned.

saspeir wrote: »

I've been consistent in all that I've said. I'm not for making fun of PTC students or a way of seeing this as revenge for what some individuals may or may not have said in the past. But I'm certainly not for paying for their mistakes, which I do think there are a few...

I think we all agree that everyone else should not be made responsible for their losses.
There has been too much of that cr** in this society over the last few years.

Su Campu

cocoshovel wrote: »

I have only been vaguely following this thread, but one comment mentioned that anybody with a bit of brains would know PTC is a bad school, only people who joined it are those who know nothing about flying and never read magazines/hung around at the local airfield blah blah etc.

I did all of those things, subscribed to flying in Ireland, read internet forums, hung around at the airfield and snapped pictures whenever I could, I even managed to get 6 or 7 flying lessons before I stopped it, and even then I always thought PTC was a great school. Nobody told me otherwise, and tbh I only started hearing bad things about it once I joined boards.ie

I could have easily been one of those students who joined PTC to train to be a pilot without knowing it had a bad record or that I shouldnt have given 85k upfront. Cut them a little bit of slack in that regards. Not everybody follows every little comment/thread on boards.ie to know about PTC.

You would see the big A4 adverts in every flyingIreland edition saying how great it was and that they needed more pilots that ever, and on the W.I.T opening days and Dublin college exbo's for leaving cert students they were there with a booth and handing out leaflets. Easy to be mislead and falsey informed is all I guess.

Thats all I wanted to say in regards to a previous few comments a few pages back.

But if you were going to fork out 85 grand then you would have made it your business to search a little deeper. I would hope so anyway. A Google search would bring up several references and a trawl through the first couple of pages of hits would soon form an opinion for you.
Anyway, where's Edgeworth at the moment? Has he done a runner? Despite the ridiculous antics of the students he is the one responsible.

pegasus88

Hi all

I am new to pprune but joined especially because of the horrible situation the ptc students have been left in and hopefully i can help a few of you out with finding a new school. I myself had a bad experience with them approx 3 years ago and lost a large sum of money which only recently after hard work could i start my flight training again. Currently i am training in poland and have nothing but positives to say about the place. The level of instruction is high with most instructors coming from an ex military backround. The prices are very reasonable and the equipment is modern with a new full motion redbird simulator and a g950 equiped technam p2006. I had a uk ppl when i came here and the process of changing my license to polish was very simple. The main reason i changed to a polish license is because i then avoid paying tax on my training If anybody has any questions about where i am feel free to ask and i hope i can be of some assistance. I will give my email address to any1 thats interested.

by the way i am still a student of the school and do not work for them i am just recommending them as a less expensive option :-)

bombs away

Well if the government are paying for your continued training then they can damn well pay for my modular training aswell, oh and a new house too as I dont like the one I'm in.

Maybe a ferrari too if that's not too much trouble

jmayo

pegasus88 wrote: »

Hi all

I am new to pprune but joined especially because of the horrible situation the ptc students have been left in and hopefully i can help a few of you out with finding a new school. I myself had a bad experience with them approx 3 years ago and lost a large sum of money which only recently after hard work could i start my flight training again. Currently i am training in poland and have nothing but positives to say about the place. The level of instruction is high with most instructors coming from an ex military backround. The prices are very reasonable and the equipment is modern with a new full motion redbird simulator and a g950 equiped technam p2006. I had a uk ppl when i came here and the process of changing my license to polish was very simple. The main reason i changed to a polish license is because i then avoid paying tax on my training If anybody has any questions about where i am feel free to ask and i hope i can be of some assistance. I will give my email address to any1 thats interested.

by the way i am still a student of the school and do not work for them i am just recommending them as a less expensive option :-)

I just hope you didn't post I am new to boards over on pprune.
They won't have a fecking idea what your on about.

If you are over in Poland get some flight time in a wilga.
Great piece of kit with a mad flap lever.

McNulty737

To the PTC students,

You will get the exact response to anyone experienced in aviation whether its here or pprune or anywhere else: We feel bad and understand you are in a horrible situation. However you handed over a colossal sum of money to a flying school and you either didnt do any research in the first place, or else you did research, saw all the negativity towards PTC and still decided to go with them. In both scenarios it was poor judgement and a huge gamble - there are far more reputable schools out there such as Oxford or Jerez for similar prices. You have to live with the consequences and you have my sympathy.

However it is unrealistic and delusional to expect the taxpayer to bail you out, you are responsible for your own decisions. Face the reality and move on.

PS.

I hope you focus all your attentions now towards taking PTC to court and I sincerely hope you take them and in particular the CEO for all they are worth (if anything). Hopefully someone goes to jail for Giving free hugs.

andy_g

McNulty737 wrote: »

To the PTC students,

You will get the exact response to anyone experienced in aviation whether its here or pprune or anywhere else: We feel bad and understand you are in a horrible situation. However you handed over a colossal sum of money to a flying school and you either didnt do any research in the first place, or else you did research, saw all the negativity towards PTC and still decided to go with them. In both scenarios it was poor judgement and a huge gamble - there are far more reputable schools out there such as Oxford or Jerez for similar prices. You have to live with the consequences and you have my sympathy.

However it is unrealistic and delusional to expect the taxpayer to bail you out, you are responsible for your own decisions. Face the reality and move on.

PS.

I hope you focus all your attentions now towards taking PTC to court and I sincerely hope you take them and in particular the CEO for all they are worth (if anything). Hopefully someone goes to jail for Giving free hugs.

Mcnulty737.

Careful what you say please next time its a ban not a snip.

saspeir

some people really are living on the moon lol

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I see they're trying to get on The Late Late tonight. Will be interesting to see if that transpires. I took out the names and some details of those above to be fair but PTC 2 is Conor, the P.R. chap.

saspeir

Just noticed, the Late Late is finished up for the summer. He must be trying to get on with Miriam (she could fund them all on her wage) O'Callaghan. I'd say RTé 'd only love to have them to fill some air time...

donkey balls

Is the Late Late Show not on its summer break after the 50th year celebration show a few weeks ago?

Su Campu

So yet again the students' research is top class!

Milan Cobian

Very sensible to broadcast your plans via a public FB page :roll eyes:

Some of the traits on display here include:
piss-poor planning and research,
gullibility,
dodging responsibility,
a well developed blame everyone else syndrome,
an equally well developed entitlement culture.

An FO displaying such traits would be less than welcome in most cockpits. Furthermore, persons displaying such traits would be very unlikely to be able to cope with the rigors of the industry in general. A rude awakening would surely have awaited them, it just looks like the awakening came earlier rather than later.

Delancey

I am increasingly coming to the view that these PTC students are teenagers who were easily seduced by the idea that they would all be flying 747's and being swooned over by dishy Cabin Crew while they earned fortunes in their ' glamorous ' careers.

I have serious doubts about their true level of interest or knowledge of aviation matters , they saw a glossy brochure and asked daddy to stump up and the rest is history.

I now have zero sympathy for the whole lot of them.

Milan Cobian

I agree with you there Delancey. I have to say that if I were of the unfortunates in this situation, I'd be distancing myself in a big hurry from their "spokespersons" and I'd be encouraging same to shut their mouths right now. Trying to get something from the government is not gonna happen, so for those who are interested and able to continue training, I'd stop this current nonsense right now before you're all permanently tarred by this carry on. Aviation is a small game and people have long memories. Being part of the whining cohort will do you no favours...

Jesus Nut

Did anyone meet any of the students at Fly In's at grass strips through out the years ?

Delancey

Jesus Nut wrote: »

Did anyone meet any of the students at Fly In's at grass strips through out the years ?

Doubt if any of them even knew aircraft could use grass strips

Reminds so much of the wannabee '' Airline Pilot '' on the forum last year who asked '' What does RAF mean ? '' ....FFS !

SrS123

I would like to start off by saying that I am one of the current students caught up in the mess with PTC. The first point I wish to raise is would you all kindly not tarnish us with the same brush as the few students who are writing under the name "PTCSTUDENTS" and contacting the government for help. There are almost 200 students out here, over 80 of which are self-sponsored - it is very naive of you to believe that the majority of us are immature, did not do research, are rich kids, or have not held lifelong dreams (like many of you) to become pilots, due to the actions of the few.

Like many of the other students here, I do not blame the government for what has happened, and do not believe they are responsible for the continuation of our training. I admit I do place some blame at the feet of the IAA, as this has happened at least twice before to large Irish schools and by now measures should be in place to prevent it. The system must be changed for the future. Again, let me reiterate, I do not believe that the IAA or Government are responsible to pay for our training to continue.

I take some of the blame for this situation, for agreeing to PTC's payment plan (not 80k entirely up front, but made in instalments. In retrospect that was the biggest mistake however). Unlike some are claiming on here, I did do research into PTC before I accepted with them, and while I found many negative comments, the majority of the claims I found out to not be true. The quality of the instructors was fantastic, both with FIT and PTC, and ground instruction could not have been better. Many students achieved over 90% if not 95% in ATPLs. There was perhaps a sense a naivety that would not come from someone with experience in the industry already, but remember that you were all rookies once - you may not have made the same mistakes, but many have. I for one happened to have some scepticism basing my decision on nameless, faceless comments from someone I have never met sitting behind a keyboard.

I would also like abolish this ridiculous assumption that everyone here was born with a silver spoon in their mouth. It is true that there are individuals who are from a wealthy background, as there are at any flight school, but the vast majority, myself included, are not. Houses have been remortgaged, family life saving have been spent, and loans have been taken out to finance most of the courses here. Many will not be able to continue flying, so the image that we are all privileged rich kids is absurd. I will personally be going home to work my ass off to build up enough funds to finish the last part of my course if no funds are retrieved from PTC. But trust me, it is PTC who I will be going after, not the IAA, not the government, not the media.

Again I ask, please do not base your opinions on us from the few who are publicly voicing theirs. The majority have been seeking guidance from the IAA and their respective government officials, not repayment. We are seeking information on the accreditation of hours, continuation of training with other schools and other matters. I am extremely grateful that we have our flights paid for (regardless of your opinion, I do not believe anyone here would reject that if offered).

For most out here dreams have been shattered, and the only thing they are guilty of is paying for the entire course before being half way through. Your hurtful comments do not help the matter, and simply rub salt into the wounds of many of us reading forums like this. I ask for a bit of decorum please ladies and gentlemen.

Delancey

@SrS123

You certainly would make a far better spokesperson for your group than any of the others.
An eloquent post in all fairness. Thanks for posting .

king2

Best of luck, I hope You and your mates get sorted out and can continue your training. This thread and threads in general are full of people blowing hot air, hiding behind anonymity and saying things they wouldnt dare say otherwise. I wouldnt take much notice

Jesus Nut

SrS123 wrote: »

I admit I do place some blame at the feet of the IAA, as this has happened at least twice before to large Irish schools and by now measures should be in place to prevent it. The system must be changed for the future.

The IAA wont do a darn thing.
Flight Schools go bust every day. Statistically, more than 365 FTO's go out of business around the world each year flight international have stated.

I feel sorry for you lads but remember this! There are other Irish people who are in the very same position or worse in some cases, but you don't hear those student pilots on RTE!

Cessna_Pilot

You shouldn't have paid up front. Plain and simple.

Milan Cobian

Good post Srs123. A voice of sense to counteract the hysterical ravings of (a small group?) your peers is to be welcomed. It can only, in the long run, be beneficial to you all to accept that the government, and by extension, the taxpayers, can not, should not and will not bail you out.
I hope it works out for you and I equally hope that the egotistical nonsense purveyed by some of your cohort doesn't negatively tar the rest of you. It's in your own hands to ensure that that's not the case.

troposphere

Okay we can all agree that statements like ""The least the Irish Government owes us is the rest of our training" is all a bunch of **** but do we really need to keep pointing out to these people that they should not have paid up front? I doubt even the most immature arrogant one of these people is sitting there thinking they have not messed up. I personally was a complete screw up trouble maker when I was 18 before I completely turned my life around. That is basically the same age as far as I can tell that the main spokesperson is (at least of one group of the students) I don't think these people need to be made whole by the government but lets take into consideration that there appears to be really young people who are trying to deal with this. My advice would be to try to renegotiate the loans with the banks and be thankful that you live in a country where 3rd level education does not require you to take out massive loans like here in the US.

happy_head

SrS123 wrote: »

I would like to start off by saying that I am one of the current students caught up in the mess with PTC. The first point I wish to raise is would you all kindly not tarnish us with the same brush as the few students who are writing under the name "PTCSTUDENTS" and contacting the government for help. There are almost 200 students out here, over 80 of which are self-sponsored - it is very naive of you to believe that the majority of us are immature, did not do research, are rich kids, or have not held lifelong dreams (like many of you) to become pilots, due to the actions of the few.

Like many of the other students here, I do not blame the government for what has happened, and do not believe they are responsible for the continuation of our training. I admit I do place some blame at the feet of the IAA, as this has happened at least twice before to large Irish schools and by now measures should be in place to prevent it. The system must be changed for the future. Again, let me reiterate, I do not believe that the IAA or Government are responsible to pay for our training to continue.

I take some of the blame for this situation, for agreeing to PTC's payment plan (not 80k entirely up front, but made in instalments. In retrospect that was the biggest mistake however). Unlike some are claiming on here, I did do research into PTC before I accepted with them, and while I found many negative comments, the majority of the claims I found out to not be true. The quality of the instructors was fantastic, both with FIT and PTC, and ground instruction could not have been better. Many students achieved over 90% if not 95% in ATPLs. There was perhaps a sense a naivety that would not come from someone with experience in the industry already, but remember that you were all rookies once - you may not have made the same mistakes, but many have. I for one happened to have some scepticism basing my decision on nameless, faceless comments from someone I have never met sitting behind a keyboard.

I would also like abolish this ridiculous assumption that everyone here was born with a silver spoon in their mouth. It is true that there are individuals who are from a wealthy background, as there are at any flight school, but the vast majority, myself included, are not. Houses have been remortgaged, family life saving have been spent, and loans have been taken out to finance most of the courses here. Many will not be able to continue flying, so the image that we are all privileged rich kids is absurd. I will personally be going home to work my ass off to build up enough funds to finish the last part of my course if no funds are retrieved from PTC. But trust me, it is PTC who I will be going after, not the IAA, not the government, not the media.

Again I ask, please do not base your opinions on us from the few who are publicly voicing theirs. The majority have been seeking guidance from the IAA and their respective government officials, not repayment. We are seeking information on the accreditation of hours, continuation of training with other schools and other matters. I am extremely grateful that we have our flights paid for (regardless of your opinion, I do not believe anyone here would reject that if offered).

For most out here dreams have been shattered, and the only thing they are guilty of is paying for the entire course before being half way through. Your hurtful comments do not help the matter, and simply rub salt into the wounds of many of us reading forums like this. I ask for a bit of decorum please ladies and gentlemen.

Very good post! Where were you when they were electing a spokesperson? You really should try get in touch with whatever muppet is currently writing statements on behalf of PTC students and tell him to keep his little rich mouth shut! He is the reason people are loosing sympathy for you in this situation!

Best of luck in your quest to retrieve your money, but somehow i think YOU will do alright! Better chance than the other plonkers calling on the government! You're best distancing yourself from these, and getting a few like-minded students to form their own little group get your best solicitors to repesent the few of you, and keep your campaign a little less public.

Xpro

When you see this sort of attitude from some of the PTC students:eek:
This was just when the $hit hit the fan, they were probably unaware that everybody in Ireland already knew the story

Quote PTC1:
ok people i have personally been onto the evening herald in ireland..its about time this went public..he said if we get a photo in our uniforms the story will be published..my parents are also in contact with them..

anyone tat dosents no the evening herald is the biggest paper published in ireland..

Quote PTC2:
i honestly wouldn't advise that, any money coming in from poor bastards still signing up is the only chance of us getting any money back. honestly hold back a few days

What does this tell you??

saspeir

Xpro wrote:

Quote PTC2:
i honestly wouldn't advise that, any money coming in from poor bastards still signing up is the only chance of us getting any money back. honestly hold back a few days

Speechless. I hope that PTC2 was one of the students that paid up fully. If that's the way you think you deserve to get fully hit.

Edit to say: If it were me quoting those people, I would have named and shamed PTC 2.

Su Campu

That guy is every bit as bad as the head of PTC himself!!

Anyway, I note that this morning the PTC site is gone.

www.pilottrainingcollege.com

Cessna_Pilot

Xpro wrote: »

When you see this sort of attitude from some of the PTC students:eek:
This was just when the $hit hit the fan, they were probably unaware that everybody in Ireland already knew the story

Quote PTC1:
ok people i have personally been onto the evening herald in ireland..its about time this went public..he said if we get a photo in our uniforms the story will be published..my parents are also in contact with them..

anyone tat dosents no the evening herald is the biggest paper published in ireland..

Quote PTC2:
i honestly wouldn't advise that, any money coming in from poor bastards still signing up is the only chance of us getting any money back. honestly hold back a few days

What does this tell you??

I wonder could someone link the original source of this to RTE and the Papers!

Xpro

On the news today again, ptc students are seeking to meet up with Minister of transport on wenesday in the dail!
What a joke, what i cant understand who in the media is entertaining this bull$hit?

Shamrock231

Maybe there's something to be admired about doing all they can to try and get their training finished. It can't hurt to ask, and they really have no better options other than to try to do what ever will get them at least some of their money back. Keeping it in the media spotlight may well be their best chance at getting some of their money back which is what has to be their aim...

coylemj

They're going to picket the Dail on Wednesday. Let's hope that if they do get media coverage, there will also be people in the same camera shot protesting about cuts in special needs assistants and other real and worthy causes.

Expecting the taxpayer to cough up to compensate them for their crass stupidity is beyond a joke at this stage.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0714/trainee-pilots-to-picket-dail-on-wednesday.html

saspeir

Shamrock231 wrote: »

Maybe there's something to be admired about doing all they can to try and get their training finished. It can't hurt to ask, and they really have no better options other than to try to do what ever will get them at least some of their money back. Keeping it in the media spotlight may well be their best chance at getting some of their money back which is what has to be their aim...

What would be admired is if they manage to create new rules for FTOs through the Minister for Transport in the future. Whereas, if they do manage to get anything out of the government it should be given to all others affected by similar circumstances retrospectively. You can't have rules for those in groups that can shout loudest.

So, no I'm not an admirer of their strategy. Direct it at PTC, administrators and Gardaí if necessary.

bluecode

Oh dear God, just watching the news now on the subject. I called them naive, now I know it. They are incredibly naive.

Varadkar the FG rottweiller will properly tell them they will get nothing more from the government than sympathy.

Srs123, fair enough. Actually you're right, PTCs training was alway quite good. They had good staff, personal friends among them. But they were always overpriced for what they offered. Plus they were past masters at marketing which is good if they actually delivered. This failure was inevitable. The whole 'Pilot Training College' was an illusion. The attempt was to give the impression that it was something like going to Trinity or whatever. That's the market they sold to and we can see it in the attitude of some of the students. It's as if they were attending a pilot university and somehow they had passed some test to attain this elite status.

Meanwhile back in the real world, we have the likes of NFC and Atlantic in Ireland and plenty of others in the UK and elsewhere who been around for years. Short on marketing they just deliver training for pilots.

One thing though, even if the government coughed up to finish their training. They will simply join the ranks of the other unemployed flight school graduates. Ryanair won't touch them, neither will Aer Arann.

I would suggest it's time to let go the 'dream'. Go and get a real job.

Delancey

Any chance there might be a counter-demonstration on behalf of the poor beleaguered taxpayer ?
These folks are a pain in the hole , they have plenty of support in RTE thats for sure.
They are going to keep the issue in the '' spotlight '' - God help us all.

Fxxking sick of this crap now.:mad:

clown2brown

These PTC folk are flogging a dead horse at this stage!
Just call it a day and learn from your mistake in enrolling in the scam. I am going to be furious if they succeed in getting any sort of hand out at the tax payers expense.

donkey balls

If only RTE could do some real journalism and track down edgeworth&co after all there the people responsible for the mess the students find them selves in,On another note I was out at Weston yesterday and noticed that Sky Trace office was closed .yt the website is still up have they closed down as well.

Su Campu

Skytrace has been closed for over a month now. A new independent school East Coast Flight Training has set up in its place.