When will global population start to be controlled ??

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

Next Census is due in 2014. Instead of spending millions conducting it, we should have you roam the streets of Dublin for a few hours and then have you fill in your guestimations.

Evidently, your assumptions are much better than any officially announced government figures.

Assuming you're correct about the numbers, whats to stop the children growing up Irish?

hardCopy

IrishAm wrote: »

A pure European is someone wholly of European descent.

No such thing as a pure Irish person. I would use the term indigenous Irish person. In 2001 a study showed us that some 90% of Irish people were direct descendants of the first original inhabitants of this island, so I would go with that.

Hope this helps.

Humans didn't evolve in Europe, we are all descended from "immigrants", there is no such thing as an indigenous European or indigenous Irish, the typical Irish person born in the 50's would have been a mix of Celtic, Norse and French, the typical irish in 50 years time will probably similar with more Central European, Eastern European, African, Asian and probably a hell of a lot better looking and healthier.

The fact that 90% of people on the Island are descended from the original inhabitants is meaningless (anyone alive today would have had about 1 trillion ancestors alive in 800AD), all humans have millions of "direct" ancestors, in fact all Europeans are almost certainly descended from King Charlemagne, does that mean we are all German?

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

Let's say for the sake of argument you're bang on.

I am bang on. Ive produced these figures for you on other occasions. You are deliberately being dishonest.

The number of Irish residents who were born outside Ireland continues to increase and stood at 766,770 in 2011 an increase of 25 per cent on 2006, and accounting for 17 per cent of the population.

http://cso.ie/en/newsandevents/pressreleases/2012pressreleases/pressreleasethisisireland-highlightsfromcensus2011part1/

fryup

When will global population start to be controlled ??

when the catholic church wises up and allows catholics to use contraceptives, not an issue in this country anymore (thank god) but in poor third world countries i.e. Philippines and south america where the church still has power it is

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

I am bang on. .......

And whats to stop the children growing up Irish...?

blatantrereg

Golobal population, resource consumption, and greenhouse gas emissions are increasing quite fast. Western countries have pretty stable levels for all three in general, though consumption rates are very high. Levels of all three are increasing quite rapidly in many developing countries. It is a serious concern.

Population control in South Asia [especially India] and Southeast Asian countries would be a very good idea, because of existing population densities and pollution levels, coupled with increasing consumption as they get richer/less poor. These regions along with China make up more than half the world's population as a whole. These regions are probably much more problematic than Africa as regards environmental concerns [rather than social or humanitarian ones] - or at least much more immediately problematic.

The total population of Europe, North America, Australia and Japan makes up less than a fifth of the world's population on the other hand. It would seem a better idea for countries in these regions [especially the USA] to focus on reducing consumption and emissions per capita, rather than reducing the population.

The preservation of rainforests is also a major concern. South America, Tropical Africa and Southeast Asia are key regions in that regard, and it would be intelligent to focus strongly on this in those regions also.

Mance Rayder

fryup wrote: »

When will global population start to be controlled ??

when the catholic church wises up and allows catholics to use contraceptives, not an issue in this country anymore (thank god) but in poor third world countries i.e. Philippines and south america where the church still has power it is

You can't blame the catholic church on everything now. Most of the overpopulated areas are Muslim, Buddhist and Hindu.

fryup

Mance Rayder wrote: »

You can't blame the catholic church on everything now. Most of the overpopulated areas are Muslim, Buddhist and Hindu.

true, but in areas like south america and the philippines the c c is culpable

af_thefragile

IrishAm wrote: »

I am bang on. Ive produced these figures for you on other occasions. You are deliberately being dishonest.




http://cso.ie/en/newsandevents/pressreleases/2012pressreleases/pressreleasethisisireland-highlightsfromcensus2011part1/

What about the Irish who are leaving the country. Should you stop the Irish from emigrating? Force all the Irish in USA, Australia and Canada to get back to Ireland to save the population? As pretty sure that's contributing to the decline in the indigenous Irish too...

IrishAm

hardCopy wrote: »

The fact that 90% of people on the Island are descended from the original inhabitants is meaningless

Indigenous populations are composed of the existing descendants of the peoples who inhabited the present territory of a country wholly or partially at the time when persons of a different culture or ethnic origin arrived there from other parts of the world

Part of the UN's definition of the word "Indigenous". If you have a problem with the term Indigenous Irish/European, take it up with them.

Sound.

IrishAm

af_thefragile wrote: »

What about

What about, what about , what about.

If I answer these questions, you will ignore my answers, then go of on another tangent with more equally inane questions.

Lets just nip this in the bud now.

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

Part of the UN's definition of the word "Indigenous". If you have a problem with the term Indigenous Irish/European, take it up with them.

Sound.

For the fourth time - whats to stop the children growing up Irish?

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

For the fourth time - whats to stop the children growing up Irish?

Nothing. The balls in the kids court on that one. Up to the individual.

Who am I to say?

WhatNowForUs?

IrishAm wrote: »

A pure European is someone wholly of European descent.

No such thing as a pure Irish person. I would use the term indigenous Irish person. In 2001 a study showed us that some 90% of Irish people were direct descendants of the first original inhabitants of this island, so I would go with that.

Hope this helps.

Link to Study please

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

Nothing. The balls in the kids court on that one. Up to the individual.

Who am I to say?

So if they grow up Irish or Irish/whatever, whats the problem?

Red Hand

If only me aunty had b0llocks, she'd be me uncle.

Nodin

Red Hand wrote: »

If only me aunty had b0llocks, she'd be me uncle.

???

IrishAm

It was a study conducted by Dr. Emmeline Hill, who works in the Department of Genetics, Trinity College, Dublin.

christmas2012

never it will keep continuing as long as there is disgusting over kill greed to be the next billionaire it will keep going,more production,more production,more production,at the expense of the very planet and ecology that keeps us alive..all the waste being burned in the islands off india and in china and russia is collossal and puts out so much pollution,but it will keep happening all because we are breeding too much its insane..

Red21

IrishAm wrote: »

Its simple maths really. By the time we are grandparents, indigenous Europeans will be a minority in our own continent.

Sad, but true.

what's sad about it?

IrishAm

Red21 wrote: »

what's sad about it?

As mad as this may seem, some don't welcome the idea of becoming a minority in their own land.

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

As mad as this may seem, some don't welcome the idea of becoming a minority in their own land.

...which brings us back to the question - if they grow up Irish or Irish/whatever, whats the problem?

christmas2012

there are some who hold the view overbreeding will win out the vote,which is true to a large extent which is why it happens,very cynical i know,but people should protect the fouding political identity of their said countries instead of turning it into downtown bagdad or somewhere,its such a pity nothings being done,and its almost outlawed to have an opinion on it somethings got to change otherwise we are manning a complete disaster..dont get me wrong im all ofr multiculuralism just within reason of the founding laws of the land and cultural identity of the land,there should be a limit on the amount they breed,most of it is off the scale..its scandalous and whos picking up the tab?

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

...which brings us back to the question - if they grow up Irish or Irish/whatever, whats the problem?

A Chinese couple have a child in China, move to Ireland. The child is brought up in Ireland, speaks with an Irish accent, does all the things an Irish kid does.

You may view that kid as Irish, but when he grows up, the world will view him as a China man.

Nodin

christmas2012 wrote: »

there are some who hold the view overbreeding will win out the vote,which is true to a large extent which is why it happens,very cynical i know,but people should protect the fouding political identity of their said countries instead of turning it into downtown bagdad or somewhere,its such a pity nothings being done,and its almost outlawed to have an opinion on it somethings got to change otherwise we are manning a complete disaster..

....ye wha?

I take it from 'downtown bagdad or somewhere' you're on about muslims....you might want to read these
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/07/10/why-fears-of-a-muslim-takeover-are-all-wrong.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8189231.stm

christmas2012

I think any group of people with an ideaology that is more like a dictatorship is not a good thing to have in any country,i have nothing against the individual just what they follow and seek to impose,but i dont want to bang on about it too much,its dishonest of our government to completely ignore this,and i think future generations will suffer the 'misunderstandings' that occur between segregated communities because that is what will happen for sure..

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

A Chinese couple have a child in China, move to Ireland. The child is brought up in Ireland, speaks with an Irish accent, does all the things an Irish kid does.

You may view that kid as Irish, but when he grows up, the world will view him as a China man.

No, people like you will. However your lot are in the minority.

America has people from every part of the globe in it, in its politics, institutions and society and they're very much American. Theres no reason we can't do likewise.

Nodin

christmas2012 wrote: »

I think any group of people with an ideaology that is more like a dictatorship is not a good thing to have in any country,i have nothing against the individual just what they follow and seek to impose,..

What group? What ideology? What do they seek to impose?

Poor Uncle Tom

Stiffler2 wrote: »

When do you think global population control will hit every continent, not just China :

When Koni goes global.....

christmas2012

As i said i dont want to bang on about it too much but there is one group that follow the quaran and i heard off a few sources that they intend to impose it everywhere they go..That in itself is an alarm call..

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

No, people like you will. However your lot are in the minority.

I am sure a lad like you has many friends from a multicultural background.

Ask your Chinese friends if they view an Irish child born in China to Irish parents as a "real Chinese" person.

Ditto for any African of your acquaintance. And so on and so forth.

Nodin

christmas2012 wrote: »

As i said i dont want to bang on about it too much but there is one group that follow the quaran and i heard off a few sources that they intend to impose it everywhere they go..That in itself is an alarm call..

So you're judging 1 Billion or so people on a minority group?

Who are these "sources".....?

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

I am sure a lad like you has many friends from a multicultural background.

Ask your Chinese friends if they view an Irish child born in China to Irish parents as a "real Chinese" person.

Ditto for any African of your acquaintance. And so on and so forth.

My "lad" days are long gone.

So I should search for people with the same hangups as you to confirm you're right - By jaysus, thats the scientific method at its finest. Did you get an invite to the Higgs-Boson conference?

SocSocPol

IrishAm wrote: »

As mad as this may seem, some don't welcome the idea of becoming a minority in their own land.

As mad as it may seen not all of us are virulent and smallminded racists, and welcome diversity.:cool:

christmas2012

media on youtube,certain newspapers and online newspapers,friends and that..theyve all said pretty much the same thing when they talked about (when you know 7/7 happened or 911 happened)they said aswell that there was a terrorist plot for those who followed the quaran fanatically and alqaeda,planned to blow up boats,and take passengers hostage on a passenger ship in europe,england and ireland etc,to cut their heads off and make demands to realease guantanamo bay prisoners..fortunately they found the guy who had the plans in austria he hid the file in a porn file called ''kick ass''..
just to make my point with the irish terrorists we had ways of dealing with them but with these guys we dont really,ireland wont be ready for such things if stuff like that does happen,and the quaran does teach resentment of those who are kuffar etc..so its only a matter of time really..anyway thats my spoke on it for now..

SocSocPol

christmas2012 wrote: »

media on youtube,certain newspapers and online newspapers,friends and that..theyve all said pretty much the same thing when they talked about (when you know 7/7 happened or 911 happened)they said aswell that there was a terrorist plot for those who followed the quaran fanatically and alqaeda,planned to blow up boats,and take passengers hostage on a passenger ship in europe,england and ireland etc,to cut their heads off and make demands to realease guantanamo bay prisoners..fortunately they found the guy who had the plans in austria he hid the file in a porn file called ''kick ass''..
just to make my point with the irish terrorists we had ways of dealing with them but with these guys we dont really,ireland wont be ready for such things if stuff like that does happen,and the quaran does teach resentment of those who are kuffar etc..so its only a matter of time really..anyway thats my spoke on it for now..

What are you on?

christmas2012

fresh air ,coffee and a cigarette for now..

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

So I should search for people with the same hangups as you to confirm you're right -

Its near impossible to become Chinese. They don't allow dual citizenship. They only give indefinite leave to remain to 0.5% of people who apply. The Chinese, as a whole, would laugh at a Paddy claiming to be Chinese.

christmas2012

and rightly so they would,i think diversity can be a good thing if managed properly but we dont ..and that will be our downfall in the future,just alienated communities that dont talk to each other

sheesh

the_syco wrote: »

Are we due a world war to kill off a few million people?

*looks at calendar

if anything its late. this time last century they were well on their way.

Nodin

christmas2012 wrote: »

media on (........)..so its only a matter of time really..anyway thats my spoke on it for now..

So a load of shite, backed up by cherry picked news articles and stereotyping. Grand.

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

America has people from every part of the globe in it, in its politics, institutions and society and they're very much American. .

Have you spent much time there, Nodin?

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

Its near impossible to become Chinese. They don't allow dual citizenship. They only give indefinite leave to remain to 0.5% of people who apply. The Chinese, as a whole, would laugh at a Paddy claiming to be Chinese.

You seem to be unable to grasp the concept of "culture". Somebody raised as chinese would be chinese, legalities or no.

You might also note that China is not mono-ethnic.

Red21

IrishAm wrote: »

Its simple maths really. By the time we are grandparents, indigenous Europeans will be a minority in our own continent.

Sad, but true.

IrishAm wrote: »

As mad as this may seem, some don't welcome the idea of becoming a minority in their own land.

I've asked you whats sad about it, because i'm interested in what you personnally find sad about it, i'm not asking what you think some might feel.
Also you seem to be responding as if we were to become a minority on this island in a short period of time. Your original post says that you think it's sad that ireland is slowly changing an there will be a big change in our population in 70 or 80 years time you can't really say how you yourself will feel about it then let alone the rest of the population.

As you can't predict the future i'm asking what you personally find sad about this slow change?

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

Have you spent much time there, Nodin?

Have you a point?

IrishAm

Nodin wrote: »

Have you a point?

You don't seem to like answering questions, love asking them, mind.

Has your views on America stemmed from living there, or from your perception of the place?

Jester252

sheesh wrote: »

*looks at calendar

if anything its late. this time last century they were well on their way.

China and India should go at it

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

You don't seem to like answering questions, love asking them, mind.

Has your views on America stemmed from living there, or from your perception of the place?

From my knowledge of the place. Are you going to get to your (doubtless wonderfully enlightening) anecdote anytime soon?

christmas2012

Your original post says that you think it's sad that ireland is slowly changing an there will be a big change in our population in 70 or 80 years time you can't really say how you yourself will feel about it then let alone the rest of the population.

As you can't predict the future i'm asking what you personally find sad about this slow change?

you can make predictions with the rate of breeding,and why is irisham not entitled to have a say on it,theres free speech isnt there?

IrishAm

Red21 wrote: »

As you can't predict the future i'm asking what you personally find sad about this slow change?

I love Ireland and I love Europe. Europe is the greatest continent on the globe, in my opinion. Great cities, monuments, cultures and people. Once the indigenous European people become a minority in their own continent, Europe will die. What made Europe great was its people.