Orange Order official asks for permission for Dublin parade on visit to Seanad

twinytwo

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/orange-order-official-asks-for-permission-for-dublin-parade-on-visit-to-seanad-3158115.html


..... are they seriously that deranged???

cometogether

Morons. Surely this won't go ahead?

Iwasfrozen

twinytwo wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/orange-order-official-asks-for-permission-for-dublin-parade-on-visit-to-seanad-3158115.html


..... are they seriously that deranged???

Asking to parade is deranged now?

chin_grin

At least he had the decency to ask! :pac:

Chuck Stone

Trolling the Island again.

I wonder what fuckhead of a politician will think entertaining these dinosaurs is a good idea.

He also suggested the State had failed to look after Protestant communities in the border counties compared to the way the British Government looked after Catholics in Northern Ireland.

Listen to this bullshit.

Varied

Tell them to **** off, in general, not just about this.

HazDanz

Bangs head against wall repeatedly*

fran17

the orange order sound like a real nice bunch of fella's.dont see why they cant be trusted:rolleyes:

Dangerous Man

I'll never forget how I felt when I found out that the 'Love Ulster' (or whatever the fuck it was called) Parade was going ahead. It was just sheer and utter bewilderment. It didn't make any sense. Why would anybody, anybody, invite what is essentially an openly racist, bigoted orgnisation such as the satsuma brigade to their home town? I knew it was going to mean things getting smashed, and probably fire as well.

I hope this second one happens too and that the rioters decide to head up to Leinster House...

MrReynholm

The only reason I'm opposed to this is because it would have the moronic Irish underclass out in Dublin City Centre for the day again causing trouble.

If the Gardai were a little more forceful and shot the protestors with rubber bullets or something then I'd certainly encourage it for the entertainment value alone.

Gummy Panda

Does the orange order still have rules against associating with catholics?

FinnLizzy

Dublin would be a little more hostile to them.

Have they considered having their wee parade in Knock?

Benny_Cake

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Trolling the Island again.

I wonder what fuckhead of a politician will think entertaining these dinosaurs is a good idea.

He also suggested the State had failed to look after Protestant communities in the border counties compared to the way the British Government looked after Catholics in Northern Ireland.

Listen to this bullshit.

He must know something good we don't - I can't help but note the absence of any mass movement of oppressed Anglicans and Presbyterians from Donegal, Cavan, Leitrim and Monaghan. There's no doubt that the Catholic church had too much influence on government policy in this country but I'm calling BS on this particular notion.

twinytwo

FinnLizzy wrote: »

Dublin would be a little more hostile to them.

Have they considered having their wee parade in Knock?

here is an idea, rather than trying to prance around dublin, rubbing peoples face in it and starting trouble.... why not march in london.

My name is URL

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Asking to parade is deranged now?

Expecting people to welcome a load of bigoted and sectarian fools parading around a city and country they hold such contempt for, is deranged.

Nodin

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Does the orange order still have rules against associating with catholics?

You can't attend any catholic ceremonies - weddings, funerals, baptisms....

christmas2012

let them and see what happens it will go down like the last time..nobody will be ready for it or like it..

Patrick Cleburne

Would be great if it can happen. A great chance for Irish men to express their culture.

twinytwo

Patrick Cleburne wrote: »

Would be great if it can happen. A great chance for Irish men to express their culture.

are you having a laugh or am i missing something?

My name is URL

Patrick Cleburne wrote: »

Would be great if it can happen. A great chance for Irish men to express their culture.

Will you be attending it yourself, Keith?

Chuck Stone

twinytwo wrote: »

are you having a laugh or am i missing something?

KeithAFC's re-reg after being 'perma-banned' from AH.

christmas2012 wrote: »

let them and see what happens it will go down like the last time..nobody will be ready for it or like it..

There's a lot more pent up anger at the establishment now too. I think this is one hornets nest those in charge will be careful not to kick.

Patrick Cleburne

twinytwo wrote: »

are you having a laugh or am i missing something?

No I am not having a laugh. Times have changed and they will march down O'Connell street sooner or later. These Irish patriots are entitled to march if given permission.

twinytwo

Patrick Cleburne wrote: »

No I am not having a laugh. Times have changed and they will march down O'Connell street sooner or later. These Irish patriots are entitled to march if given permission.

LOL maybe in your own little dream world buddy;)

christmas2012

but they dont seem themselves as irish

Patrick Cleburne

twinytwo wrote: »

LOL maybe in your own little dream world buddy;)

Why is it a dream world? It seems certain to happen and as long as the peace process keeps a steady pace, this will happen. Now just embrace your Irish Orange brothers and sisters and everything will be fine.

Riddle101

Patrick Cleburne wrote: »

No I am not having a laugh. Times have changed and they will march down O'Connell street sooner or later. These Irish patriots are entitled to march if given permission.

In what way? There are still plenty of people who hold on to their old fasioned views, ready and willing to disrupt this parade if they go through with it. There could be another riot. I don't think times have changed all over Ireland tbh.

votecounts

Chuck Stone wrote: »

KeithAFC's re-reg after being 'perma-banned' from AH.

why was keith perma banned?
back on topic, utter madness to even ask that these bigots be allowed march in dublin, let them march in london so that the british taxpayer can pick up the bill.
NEVER,NEVER,IRELAND SAYS NO.

Hrududu

Jesus, stop feeding the troll and he might die.

I saw this on the news today. They also brought up an Orange Lodge getting burned in the north. Which had me scratching my head. It was said as if we had something to do with it.

Patrick Cleburne

christmas2012 wrote: »

but they dont seem themselves as irish

They are reclaiming what was denied to them by IRA terrorists who thought all Irish men and women should be Republican.

Nodin

Patrick Cleburne wrote: »

They are reclaiming what was denied to them by IRA terrorists who thought all Irish men and women should be Republican.

...well generally what pissed the IRA off was the whole "sectarian statelet" thing yez had going on up the north.

Lumbo

I hope Shamrock Rovers have an away fixture when this happens.



















:pac:

kumate_champ07

votecounts wrote: »

why was keith perma banned?
back on topic, utter madness to even ask that these bigots be allowed march in dublin, let them march in london so that the british taxpayer can pick up the bill.
NEVER,NEVER,IRELAND SAYS NO.

probably for his perma trolling

woodoo

A bigoted racist supremacist organisation like the OO has no business walking through our capital city. I don't buy the crap they spout about not appreciating the Northern Protestant. Protestants are welcome, bigoted orangemen are not as far as i'm concerned.

Varied

Patrick Cleburne wrote: »

They are reclaiming what was denied to them by IRA terrorists who thought all Irish men and women should be Republican.

Do you agree that the orange order are a bigoted organisation?

Iwasfrozen

My name is URL wrote: »

Expecting people to welcome a load of bigoted and sectarian fools parading around a city and country they hold such contempt for, is deranged.

The freedom of speech of a minority shouldn't be curtailed by the majority because they don't like what they have to say. If you don't want an orange parade that's fine don't go to it.

FishBowel

Dangerous Man wrote: »

I hope this second one happens too and that the rioters decide to head up to Leinster House...

And half the road is dug up again with lots of bricks lying about.

woodoo

Varied wrote: »

Do you agree that the orange order are a bigoted organisation?

If he doesn't answer this question clearly then we will know its the return of Kieth

Where To

Benny_Cake wrote: »

He must know something good we don't - I can't help but note the absence of any mass movement of oppressed Anglicans and Presbyterians from Donegal, Cavan, Leitrim and Monaghan. There's no doubt that the Catholic church had too much influence on government policy in this country but I'm calling BS on this particular notion.

Yeah I think he was attempting to stir the pot here to be honest. I can't imagine the OO being too enamoured with the fact that religious bitterness and divisions are miniscule at most in border areas. As the are in rural areas such as Fermanagh and west Tyrone also, for example.

Patrick Cleburne

Varied wrote: »

Do you agree that the orange order are a bigoted organisation?

No I don't. I think a organisation which represents hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants is not bigoted. They are just Pro Protestant.

I actually like to give people the liberty of thought and freedom to express the cultural background they come from which these Irish Protestants do.

twinytwo

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The freedom of speech of a minority shouldn't be curtailed by the majority because they don't like what they have to say. If you don't want an orange parade that's fine don't go to it.

or they could march in London, by all means lets change our country to suit the needs of all the minorities.

kumate_champ07

"Ireland would be a poorer place if the order's cultural heritage disappeared"

hmmm not so sure about that. whats your cultural heritage, hating Catholics and banging drums really loud while marching provocatively down areas where you are unwelcome?

DublinWriter

Republicanism's greatest folly in the past fifty years has been the assumption that all Orangemen are just a wee bit misguided and that with a little TLC will come out of the closet and embrace the orange third of the flag of the Republic of Ireland.

Nothing could be further from the truth. These people are far more complex than you could ever even begin to imagine.

Let's take the old Republican cant of 'Brits Out'. These people are, for better or worse British. So are we proposing a ethnic cleaning of the Province? Let's hope not.

I've worked and known a lot of Ulster Loyalists over the past twenty years. If anything, they will be as straight up with you as they can be from the start and to the average Irish person coming from the South their direct language can be at odds to our sense of natural diplomacy. Personally I'd rather their straight-up honesty than most of the double-think speech of our own self-serving politicians.

christmas2012

there are absolute bigots in them though..you cant just ignore that im not saying all of them are but there are a few prominent ones there though..

Benny_Cake

Patrick Cleburne wrote: »

No I don't. I think a organisation which represents hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants is not bigoted. They are just Pro Protestant.

I actually like to give people the liberty of thought and freedom to express the cultural background they come from which these Irish Protestants do.

Hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants?! They represent themselves and their own members, no one else.

Nodin

Patrick Cleburne wrote: »

No I don't. I think a organisation which represents hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants is not bigoted. They are just Pro Protestant.

I actually like to give people the liberty of thought and freedom to express the cultural background they come from which these Irish Protestants do.

....but not to attend catholic funerals, weddings or baptisms.

TiGeR KiNgS

Patrick Cleburne wrote: »

No I don't. I think a organisation which represents hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants is not bigoted. They are just Pro Protestant.

I actually like to give people the liberty of thought and freedom to express the cultural background they come from which these Irish Protestants do.

Isn't it more like 30,000 and falling ?

Chucken

Patrick Cleburne wrote: »

I actually like to give people the liberty of thought and freedom to express the cultural background they come from .

:pac: Sure!

fasttalkerchat

Yous missed out on recreational rioting for years. Enjoy!

Richard Hillman

Wouldnt be arsed if they walked down my road as long as they didnt use their drums and instruments (Noise pollution).

I think its just a fishing/trolling excersise. The best thing is to ignore them. They have zero reason to march in Dublin anyway. Has William of Orange even been to Dublin?

Patrick Cleburne

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants?! They represent themselves and their own members, no one else.

Sorry, I can't change the religion of these Irish people who are in the Orange Order. Not to mention the thousands who aren't in the Orange Order itself who march with them in bands.

Perhaps this idea of scaremongering against these Irish people will stop soon when they witness what great music they can produce down O'Connell street.

woodoo

This was posted on the independent website:

I wonder would an anti protestant organisation which doesn't allow any of it's members attend a Protestant mass even if it's a funeral. Who's history is steeped in racism and bigotry towards Protestants would be allowed to march down the Shankill road??

Or how about a deal where Republicans can march down the Shankill if the orange order are allowed down the most historically important street to Irish Republican's. After all fairs fair!!

I don't understand how any organisation like the Orange order is allowed to exist in today's world. I wonder how the Orange order would be perceived if they had as much hatred towards Jews as they do Catholics. Would they then be outlawed?

Someone should remind Mr Nelson that many Protestants in Ireland see the Orange order as a pathetic, bigoted and outdated organisation and don't want anything to do with it. Let's stop pretending that this is in any way a tradition but more about triumphalism, intimidation, bullying and hatred. For too long, this sick and twisted organisation has been tolerated and should now be outlawed.