Internship vacancy, a total piss take

flynnlives

At least 3 years' experience in application and web based development
Excellent knowledge of PHP 5 and MySQL. Strong programming capability and ability to upgrade and maintain back-end functionality
Online experience of customising open source e-commerce platforms - in particular experience of Magento would be a distinct advantage
Experience of front-end web design (page layout, promotional images & banners) with portfolio examples
Strong knowledge of Adobe Creative Suite, especially Photoshop
Understanding of HTML, CSS, especially in respect of web standards and image presentation, image mapping etc
Knowledge of XHTML, JavaScript, Ajax, jQuery, JAVA, & open source content management systems would be beneficial
Web testing experience: usability, security, fixing bugs etc

An outrageous #jobbridge 'vacancy' - http://bit.ly/NtO4wr - equivalent in qualifications 2 mid-range (salary 40-50K) web developer.

a tweet i saw on tweeter about it


http://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1184398


too misery to pay a professional to do it so they are looking for an intern.


shocking stuff that this is aloud to happen


il be boycotting this crowd should i ever come across them

Deliverance XXV

I am just finished college and I was hoping to go straight into an IT job - even a graduate position but around my area in the South East there is nothing (even in surrounding counties) but intern/FAS jobs and jobs on recruitment company websites where once you apply you don't even get a reply even though you meet the initial requirements. You might think they were 'made up positions' just to get CVs and people's skills on files so they can charge more when companies come looking.

While there will be genuine companies offering intern positions with a view to full employment there is also bound to be companies who will exploit this to further their margins.
The above position looks like the latter.

Kavrocks

Report them, a lot of companies who have been seen to exploit the Jobsbridge program have been reported and their job offer taken down of the website.

Freddio

Unfortunately it doesn't get much better in the "paying" jobs market.

I did an interview this week for an Irish household name. The interview was for a front end developer with mobile experience. In the interview they asked me to look at their mobile site and ask me to make recommendations. I should have recommended they fix all the broken links on their home page but I was more diplomatic.

I heard back that I didn't have enough experience. (even though Ive been programming for 30 years)


Don't you just love it when recruiters can't even tell you the truth.

smash

Yea it's a joke but at the same time so is this comment:

"equivalent in qualifications 2 mid-range (salary 40-50K) web developer."

3 years experience isn't worth 40-50k.

Freddio

smash wrote: »

Yea it's a joke but at the same time so is this comment:

"equivalent in qualifications 2 mid-range (salary 40-50K) web developer."

3 years experience isn't worth 40-50k.

You won't have much change from 40K with a family and a mortgage.

smash

Freddio wrote: »

You won't have much change from 40K with a family and a mortgage.

What's that got to do with anything? With 3 years experience you wont be getting 40-50k as a developer.

Freddio

smash wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything? With 3 years experience you wont be getting 40-50k as a developer.

Enda Kenny has less than 3 years experience in his job and he gets 200K. You'd have more intelligence with 3 years developing iOS

smash

Again, you're not making a decent point.

Dave!

Freddio wrote: »

smash wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything? With 3 years experience you wont be getting 40-50k as a developer.

Enda Kenny has less than 3 years experience in his job and he gets 200K. You'd have more intelligence with 3 years developing iOS

Whether they deserve 50k is a different question. In reality that's not the going rate (unfortunately...)

Freddio

Also apprenticeships are four years and then you would be earning that sort of money. And how much does a junior Doctor make straight out of college?

smash

Freddio wrote: »

Also apprenticeships are four years

Not all of them.

Freddio wrote: »

and then you would be earning that sort of money.

Not always.

Freddio wrote: »

And how much does a junior Doctor make straight out of college?

Totally irrelevant.

Freddio

I'm not saying that 50K is what is paid, but I am saying if someone with that experience is managing to get that wage, then it is entirely fair. It would be different if they had 3 months experience as opposed to 3 years

Freddio

smash wrote: »

Not all of them.


Not always.


Totally irrelevant.

I'd say you'd be great to work for

smash

Freddio wrote: »

I'm not saying that 50K is what is paid, but I am saying if someone with that experience is managing to get that wage, then it is entirely fair.

That's different than what you've been saying.

Dave!

You're going off on a pointless tangent mate...

The topic at hand is whether someone with the appropriate skills and experience should be on salary for a position like this. I think they should. They'd probably have little trouble finding a paying position anyway.

Freddio

That's different than what you've been saying.

No its not. The inference from the start is that someone with all those skills is worth 40 to 50 k, and they are.

smash

Freddio wrote: »

No its not. The inference from the start is that someone with all those skills is worth 40 to 50 k, and they are.

No, someone with those skills and is good at what they do, is worth that money.

Freddio

smash wrote: »

No, someone with those skills and is good at what they do, is worth that money.

Being good at it should be taken for granted if you got the gig

Dave!

I'd say the suggestion is that, worth it or not, a person with that experience would be earning 40 - 50k. As someone around that level in terms of experience, I can tell you there's little chance of getting that salary!

Personally I'm not interested in discussing whether or not it's an appropriate salary.

smash

To be honest, they'll never find someone. They're merging a few different jobs all together into one.

Freddio

Dave! wrote: »

Personally I'm not interested in discussing whether or not it's an appropriate salary.

Is it appropriate that the sector be strangled to the point that you are expected to work for free until you have a pHd worth of knowledge?

smash

Freddio wrote: »

Is it appropriate that the sector be strangled to the point that you are expected to work for free until to have a pHd worth of knowledge?

One silly job spec will not strangle the industry. Have a look at the creativeireland.com job's forum, these kind of jobs pop up all the time.

Freddio

There is a lot of internship stuff going on and its a downward force. I worked with a company before who took on interns before it was fashionable and it was pure exploitation.

smash

Freddio wrote: »

There is a lot of internship stuff going on and its a downward force. I worked with a company before who took on interns before it was fashionable and it was pure exploitation.

Why?

Someone with 3 years experience is not an intern and will not apply for an intern position. They're living in the clouds!

Dave!

Freddio wrote: »

Dave! wrote: »

Personally I'm not interested in discussing whether or not it's an appropriate salary.

Is it appropriate that the sector be strangled to the point that you are expected to work for free until you have a pHd worth of knowledge?

Mate I think that employer is just a chancer, and the ad will hopefully come down. There are plenty of paying positions for someone of that experience, the industry isn't being strangled. It's a pretty good time to be involved in IT in Ireland. Salaries have come down since the boom, but the vacancies are still there.

Freddio

People get desperate and get told things like this will get your foot in the door. But you are right most people with 3 years experience wont go for an internship, they'll go for a junior role because people tell them they aren't worth 40k

Freddio

Dave! wrote: »

Mate I think that employer is just a chancer, and the ad will hopefully come down. There are plenty of paying positions for someone of that experience, the industry isn't being strangled. It's a pretty good time to be involved in IT in Ireland. Salaries have come down since the boom, but the vacancies are still there.

Thats my point entirely - stop this rot before it takes hold

Dave!

Easier said than done! If I asked for 40k in my next job application I don't think I'd get very far.

You're right though - I have about 2 years' work experience (and however many years learning independently), and my next job I'll still be looking for a junior position. Not sure if that's just a personal thing (I have my reasons), or a widespread trend.

Kavrocks

smash wrote: »

Again, you're not making a decent point.

You haven't made any.