First Marathon - Training Schedule

moggie4000

Saturday 4th August - 5 miles - 44.33 minutes @ 8.53 min/mile
Sunday 5th August - 4 miles - 35.43 minutes @ 8.54 min/mile
Monday 6th August - 5 miles - 52.54 minutes @ 10.30 min/mile
Friday 10th August - 8 miles - 1.18.57 minutes @ 9.43 min/mile
Saturday 11th August - 5 miles - 48.43 minutes @ 9.42 min/mile
Sunday 12th August - 10 miles - 1.38.38 minutes @ 9.49 min/mile

Here is a run-down of my running over the past week or so. I missed out on 3 days last week due to work/daughter's birthday party so i increased my mileage to catch up which i'm not sure is a good thing or not...

I ran the most miles firstly running 8 miles then yesterday i ran 10 miles. Just looking at my times, i can run 8 miles, 5 miles and 10 miles all around the same pace which i'm happy about.

This weeks schedule is 5,6,8,6,8,10 miles with a rest day on Friday. I am away for the 10 mile frank duffy so i am looking for a 10 mile to replace it with before the half marathon.

-Moggie

moggie4000

After my 10 mile run on Sunday i had some soreness in my left knee which was concerning me slightly. Know and again over the past 5 weeks i would get slight pain in this knee but i was always able to run though it.

Monday 13th August

I started off my 5 mile run in pretty serious pain in my left knee which i was very tempted to abandon ship after the first mile. But after watching a couple of videos yesterday in relation to the correct techniques for running the pain was steadily going away, so from this i would say that the pain in my knee was from a bad running technique and was putting excess pressure on my knees.

5.04 miles - 47.30 minutes @ 9.24 mins/mile.

I did also feel as if i was going much faster than normal but i think i was taking shorter steps than usual because looking at my time i wasn't any quicker than i usually am. I iced my knees when i went home last night and they feel pretty ok today which i'm happy about.

RedRunner

moggie4000 wrote: »

Saturday 4th August - 5 miles - 44.33 minutes @ 8.53 min/mile
Sunday 5th August - 4 miles - 35.43 minutes @ 8.54 min/mile
Monday 6th August - 5 miles - 52.54 minutes @ 10.30 min/mile
Friday 10th August - 8 miles - 1.18.57 minutes @ 9.43 min/mile
Saturday 11th August - 5 miles - 48.43 minutes @ 9.42 min/mile
Sunday 12th August - 10 miles - 1.38.38 minutes @ 9.49 min/mile

Here is a run-down of my running over the past week or so. I missed out on 3 days last week due to work/daughter's birthday party so i increased my mileage to catch up which i'm not sure is a good thing or not...

I ran the most miles firstly running 8 miles then yesterday i ran 10 miles. Just looking at my times, i can run 8 miles, 5 miles and 10 miles all around the same pace which i'm happy about.

This weeks schedule is 5,6,8,6,8,10 miles with a rest day on Friday. I am away for the 10 mile frank duffy so i am looking for a 10 mile to replace it with before the half marathon.

-Moggie

Just curious, but your pacing seems to be a little all over the place. My understanding (from others more knowledgeable than I)is that you should be running your midweek runs at an easy pace(maybe including atempo run) depending on what training plan you are following. If this is your first marathon all the midweek runs should really be at easy pace and the Long runs at weekend should be slower again.

You also seem to be doing a lot of runs. 5,6,8,6,8,10 is a lot for a novice and may account for your knee problems.IMHO you are on road to injury/overtraining if you keep this up.

Looks like from your times you are similar enough standard to me. I try and run my midweek runs at about 9:20min/mile pace and Long runs at weekend at 9:40-10.00 avg pace. Planned marathon pace being 9:09 for a 4hr marathon.

moggie4000

RedRunner wrote: »

Just curious, but your pacing seems to be a little all over the place. My understanding (from others more knowledgeable than I)is that you should be running your midweek runs at an easy pace(maybe including atempo run) depending on what training plan you are following. If this is your first marathon all the midweek runs should really be at easy pace and the Long runs at weekend should be slower again.

You also seem to be doing a lot of runs. 5,6,8,6,8,10 is a lot for a novice and may account for your knee problems.IMHO you are on road to injury/overtraining if you keep this up.

Looks like from your times you are similar enough standard to me. I try and run my midweek runs at about 9:20min/mile pace and Long runs at weekend at 9:40-10.00 avg pace. Planned marathon pace being 9:09 for a 4hr marathon.

Hi redrunner,

Your right my pacing does seem to be all over the place, i tend to run as good as i feel on the day, should i be consistently running at the same pace?

I have been running 6 days per week for the past 5 weeks now and since the start i have wondered whether 6 days was too much but i'm working off the training schedule from the DCM website which is a schedule for 4hr - 4.45hrs marathon?

Our marathon pace is exactly the same, i'm looking to do it under the 4hr mark.

I've just ordered an IT compression band to see if this will help with my knee.

RedRunner

Just had a look at the DCM plan and yeah it looks tough enough. He does mention at the start of the document though to adust it to suit yourself and reduce the mileage appropriately. On the Hal Higdon Inter1 plan which I am following it is 5 days running with one cross training day and I find that more than enough, in fact just recovering from injury after missing weeks 6 and 7 but that is probably down to me doing too much.

Last year I didn't follow any plan just did 3-4 runs per week including a LSR at weekend and just increased LSR by 1 mile or two each weekend. Did the race series too but had only trained 8 miles by time 10 miler came around and only done 10 miles(the ten miler) by time half marathon came around. Also missed about 3 weeks in summer due to illness. I didn't pace any of my runs just went with feel and ran the long ones slow.At the end of all that I managed 4:45. Was struggling from mile 17/18 though and did a fair bit of walking from 21 onwards.

This year I have a lot more mileage in the legs and feel more prepared apart from recent blip injury -wise. I think it is a good idea to define what your pace should be on each run and try stick to it, even if it feels a bit too easy at the time. It is good practice for the big day when pacing will be very important. This is where the GPS watches are very useful.

Hope the knee doesn't cause you too many problems and good luck with the rest of the training. If you can stick to that plan you'll be flying.

moggie4000

RedRunner wrote: »

Just had a look at the DCM plan and yeah it looks tough enough. He does mention at the start of the document though to adust it to suit yourself and reduce the mileage appropriately. On the Hal Higdon Inter1 plan which I am following it is 5 days running with one cross training day and I find that more than enough, in fact just recovering from injury after missing weeks 6 and 7 but that is probably down to me doing too much.

Last year I didn't follow any plan just did 3-4 runs per week including a LSR at weekend and just increased LSR by 1 mile or two each weekend. Did the race series too but had only trained 8 miles by time 10 miler came around and only done 10 miles(the ten miler) by time half marathon came around. Also missed about 3 weeks in summer due to illness. I didn't pace any of my runs just went with feel and ran the long ones slow.At the end of all that I managed 4:45. Was struggling from mile 17/18 though and did a fair bit of walking from 21 onwards.

This year I have a lot more mileage in the legs and feel more prepared apart from recent blip injury -wise. I think it is a good idea to define what your pace should be on each run and try stick to it, even if it feels a bit too easy at the time. It is good practice for the big day when pacing will be very important. This is where the GPS watches are very useful.

Hope the knee doesn't cause you too many problems and good luck with the rest of the training. If you can stick to that plan you'll be flying.

After some conversations here yesterday i have decided to stick with the plan i am currently doing but take one day out for cycling, so i bought myself a exercise bike yesterday and did 20 minutes on it instead of my run. Obviously i will increase the amount of time on it over the next few weeks.

I have looked at the HHN2 and obviously it works but it seems that there is a big leap in mileage like Rest,3,6,3, Rest,12,Cross. I have a 10 mile race this Sunday in Slane so i'll see how i'm fairing out with it.

dazza21ie

moggie4000 wrote: »

After some conversations here yesterday i have decided to stick with the plan i am currently doing but take one day out for cycling, so i bought myself a exercise bike yesterday and did 20 minutes on it instead of my run. Obviously i will increase the amount of time on it over the next few weeks.

I have looked at the HHN2 and obviously it works but it seems that there is a big leap in mileage like Rest,3,6,3, Rest,12,Cross. I have a 10 mile race this Sunday in Slane so i'll see how i'm fairing out with it.

Had thought about doing the same training myself before opting for HHN2. It think the best part of the HHN2 is how it gradually builds up the LSR each week and then has a step back week every three to give your body that chance to recover.

I'm sure your legs will thank you for the introduction of cross training it will feel like a rest for them.

If you have a good race on Sunday you should put your time into the McMillan Calculator which will give you some idea of where your at and more importantly guide training pace for each type of run. Not that I'm one to talk about pacing!

Best of luck on Sunday and with your training.

moggie4000

Did the Slane Castle 10 mile run on Sunday 19th August. The course itself was fairly hilly but i thought it was a good challenge for me me to see where i was at with my training. Last year i did the Frank Duffy 10 mile in 1.36, i did Slane Castle in 1.26.43, so it just shows how far i have come in a year. I will miss the Frank Duffy this weekend as i'm away on holidays but i will definitely be doing the half marathon.

My knee was pretty sore after the 10 mile race so i rested yesterday and i'll do my 10k cross training on my exercise bike this evening and try and get out on Wednesday for a run of 6 miles. My LSR for this Sunday is 12 miles, i'm away for the weekend and back on Sunday afternoon so hopefully i have the energy and will to get out and do it!

RedRunner

moggie4000 wrote: »

Did the Slane Castle 10 mile run on Sunday 19th August. The course itself was fairly hilly but i thought it was a good challenge for me me to see where i was at with my training. Last year i did the Frank Duffy 10 mile in 1.36, i did Slane Castle in 1.26.43, so it just shows how far i have come in a year. I will miss the Frank Duffy this weekend as i'm away on holidays but i will definitely be doing the half marathon.

My knee was pretty sore after the 10 mile race so i rested yesterday and i'll do my 10k cross training on my exercise bike this evening and try and get out on Wednesday for a run of 6 miles. My LSR for this Sunday is 12 miles, i'm away for the weekend and back on Sunday afternoon so hopefully i have the energy and will to get out and do it!

Well done on the new PB !

beeduybe

moggie4000 wrote: »

Did the Slane Castle 10 mile run on Sunday 19th August. The course itself was fairly hilly but i thought it was a good challenge for me me to see where i was at with my training. Last year i did the Frank Duffy 10 mile in 1.36, i did Slane Castle in 1.26.43, so it just shows how far i have come in a year.

Well done. That's a big improvement and considering how hilly the course was you should be able to run 1 or 2 minutes quicker on a flatter course.

moggie4000

beeduybe wrote: »

Well done. That's a big improvement and considering how hilly the course was you should be able to run 1 or 2 minutes quicker on a flatter course.

Thanks Guys, yes I was delighted with my time, some of the hills were a killer! If I can do the DCM in 9.09 min/mile i'll be a very happy man.

Tuesday 21st August

25 minutes on the exercise bike which showed up over 13 kms which I'm not too sure i believe but happy with the 25 minutes and my knee not too sore. I'm going to try and get out and run this evening for 5 miles and see how i am afterwards. I have ordered a compression band which hasn't arrived yet but looking forward to seeing if it helps any.

moggie4000

Ok guys, i haven't been on in a while due to being away on holidays then my knee situation got progressively worse. I went out for an intended 5 mile run only to pull up after 2 miles with the shooting pain in my left knee area.

I got myself to the physio last night generally hoping for a nice massage but instead got absolutely pummelled, stuck some needles in me and sent me off with some new stretching exercises. Feel pretty good today though. It's basically the band the goes from my knee to my backside that's causing the problem, all bones in good nick! He reckons i'll only be out for a week and i can do the charleville half marathon near the end of the month, disappointed not to be doing the half in the park but hey ho...

So my plan has been scuppered slightly but i'll just have to adjust and get on with it. The physio also told me the runners i have are a disaster, so i'm off to buy new runners in the next couple of days.

So the plan is to do my stretching twice a day for the next week and head out for a 4-5 mile run on Monday.

RedRunner

moggie4000 wrote: »

Ok guys, i haven't been on in a while due to being away on holidays then my knee situation got progressively worse. I went out for an intended 5 mile run only to pull up after 2 miles with the shooting pain in my left knee area.

I got myself to the physio last night generally hoping for a nice massage but instead got absolutely pummelled, stuck some needles in me and sent me off with some new stretching exercises. Feel pretty good today though. It's basically the band the goes from my knee to my backside that's causing the problem, all bones in good nick! He reckons i'll only be out for a week and i can do the charleville half marathon near the end of the month, disappointed not to be doing the half in the park but hey ho...

So my plan has been scuppered slightly but i'll just have to adjust and get on with it. The physio also told me the runners i have are a disaster, so i'm off to buy new runners in the next couple of days.

So the plan is to do my stretching twice a day for the next week and head out for a 4-5 mile run on Monday.

Hope the injury doesn't hold you back too much. Make sure you get good advice on the runners by going to running specialists!

moggie4000

RedRunner wrote: »

Hope the injury doesn't hold you back too much. Make sure you get good advice on the runners by going to running specialists!

I'm going to go to amphibian king to get gait analysis and new pair of runners.

RedRunner

moggie4000 wrote: »

I'm going to go to amphibian king to get gait analysis and new pair of runners.

Went there myself too recently for first time and thought they were brilliant.