Pornography to blame for girls rape in todays society?Change of culture?Your thoughts

christmas2012

The 14 year–old, who was a family friend and neighbour, had been asked to look after the girl. He tied an apron round her face and performed a sex act on her.

The girl later told her father that the teenager led her to believe he was going to feed her a chocolate.

The victim's mother, who said her daugher "knows what happened was something horrible", has now criticised the judge for "making a cheap point about pornography" in sentencing.

She believes the sentence "just isn't enough", adding it sent the "wrong message to people - that you can do something like that a get such a light punishment".

"The judge was more concerned with justifying the sentence by making a cheap point about pornography. It was really cheap to use that as an excuse for what the boy did," she said.

“The sentence isn’t enough. He should be punished. His family were told to expect a three-year custodial sentence so we were shocked when he didn’t get one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9377605/Parents-anger-as-child-rapist-walks-free-as-judge-blames-pornography.html


Here is another link:


http://www.irishcentral.com/news/16-year-old-girl-allegedly-gang-raped-for-6-hours-in-Cork-and-Limerick-139631163.html


also another piece which you might find interesting,is that there is a rise in gang rape in ireland,is this a new phenomenon or is it just more reported?and is porn to blame for all this,should the individual take criminal responsiblity?

Logical Fallacy

The individual should always take responsibility.

listermint

christmas2012 wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9377605/Parents-anger-as-child-rapist-walks-free-as-judge-blames-pornography.html


Here is another link:


http://www.irishcentral.com/news/16-year-old-girl-allegedly-gang-raped-for-6-hours-in-Cork-and-Limerick-139631163.html


also another piece which you might find interesting,is that there is a rise in gang rape in ireland,is this a new phenomenon or is it just more reported?and is porn to blame for all this,should the individual take criminal responsiblity?

I think its more reported, now than it was in the past. And there are more humans on the planet so more chance for weirdos in the world.

We seem to have an obsession with disregarding personal responsibility there is always 'a reason' why some people are broken. Genetics surely has some part to play.

yeah i'm sure rape never existed in the past ever

christmas2012

I do note though there is a change in culture,it seems to produce a lot more shallow people,who only care about media,and porn,years ago it used to be innocent enough reading magazines to get your thrillls now its pornography,video taping sex,which a lot of kids do now,they video tape their gang rapes,is it where they could get their ideas,if they are that way minded?

Jaxxy

Porn has about as much to do with rape as video games do with mass violence IMO.

Watching porn =/= potential rapist.

analucija

And computer games or movies cause violence... I think it is ridiculous to blame porn or similar and has a lot more to do with the fact that sexual education is still very limited.

Duggy747

Porn invented sex.

Mortal Kombat invented rape.

davet82

christmas2012 wrote: »

also another piece which you might find interesting,is that there is a rise in gang rape in ireland,is this a new phenomenon or is it just more reported?and is porn to blame for all this,should the individual take criminal responsiblity?

i dont see anything about gang rape on the rise in that article... not disputing it either just saying is all.

i think porn may desensitise some young adults into treating women badly or give them an expectation of what sex should be but not encourage them to rape people imo. Porn maybe like alcohol most of the users handle it responsibly but some do not, same could be said for violent movies, video games... just a cop out really.

anyways rapists have been around alot longer than the internet porn ect and probably happened more frequently in years gone before too.

leggo

Porn and video games just give sick cnuts different ideas on how to unleash their sickness. They're not a cause so much as an influence along the way.

SEPT 23 1989

I blame Gangsta' Rap for everything

I Heart Internet

christmas2012 wrote: »

.........which a lot of kids do now,they video tape their gang rapes........

So that's what "a lot of kids" are doing these days, huh? Sure you're not over exaggerating there??

christmas2012

Porn though is sexualising our children and young teenagers,there is a pressure out there to have sex at an early age,and to be seen as the one who scores a lot,i know a lot of this you could say has been around,but porn does change our behaviour to sex..

ejmaztec

The case proves that the judge is a dick more than it proves anything else.

KenSwee

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

The individual should always take responsibility.

Absolutely. Do the crime, do the time.
Along with access to porn is massive access on what is right and wrong in this world.
There is no excuse for lack or self control or ignorance in this day and age.

Bobby Baccala

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I blame Gangsta' Rap for everything

Aint nothin to it, gangsta rap made me do it.

christmas2012

I Heart Internet wrote: »

So that's what "a lot of kids" are doing these days, huh? Sure you're not over exaggerating there??

what im saying is that a lot of them THAT PARTICIPATE in gang rape do videotape it on their iphones and mobile cameras,that picture taking seems to be part of the rape initiation..

Logical Fallacy

christmas2012 wrote: »

Porn though is sexualising our children and young teenagers,there is a pressure out there to have sex at an early age,and to be seen as the one who scores a lot,i know a lot of this you could say has been around,but porn does change our behaviour to sex..

Yeah, 20 years ago when I was a boy there was none of this.

Or...there was. Loads of it.

Pushtrak

If there were such a link, I'm sure Japan would have vastly different statistics than it does.

Jaxxy

christmas2012 wrote: »

I Heart Internet wrote: »

So that's what "a lot of kids" are doing these days, huh? Sure you're not over exaggerating there??

what im saying is that a lot of them THAT PARTICIPATE in gang rape do videotape it on their iphones and mobile cameras,that picture taking seems to be part of the rape initiation..

Rapists have initiations now?

Do they have clubs?

PseudoFamous

christmas2012 wrote: »

what im saying is that a lot of them THAT PARTICIPATE in gang rape do videotape it on their iphones and mobile cameras,that picture taking seems to be part of the rape initiation..

How would you know this? In fact, I don't think gang rape is even used as a gang initiation (activity? wtf do you even call it?) in Ireland

christmas2012

Its becoming a lot more common or a lot more reported,but gangbanging seems to be the thing with young teens now..

I Heart Internet

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its becoming a lot more common or a lot more reported,but gangbanging seems to be the thing with young teens now..

And your evidence (apart from the ridiculous Examiner piece a few weeks back)?

Corkfeen

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its becoming a lot more common or a lot more reported,but gangbanging seems to be the thing with young teens now..

You can't make a statement like that without backing it up.....

davet82

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its becoming a lot more common or a lot more reported,but gangbanging seems to be the thing with young teens now..

seriously dude, discussion is one thing and hysteria is another. i'm not disputing its on the rise but back it up with some links or facts just deciding its happening will only lead to piss taking and rightfully so

smash

Jaxxy wrote: »

Do they have clubs?

The first rule of rape club is you're not allows talk about rape club!

Delirium

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its becoming a lot more common or a lot more reported,but gangbanging seems to be the thing with young teens now..

you should have no problem providing plenty of links for this highly reported and common crime then.

FloatingVoter

Irish judges are very aware of pornography (especially of the kiddie kind)....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/irish-government-moves-to-impeach-judge-over-child-porn-allegations-6169403.html

Do google it a little more, but a warning - the case won't cheer you up.

I Heart Internet

davet82 wrote: »

seriously dude, discussion is one thing and hysteria is another. i'm not disputing its on the rise but back it up with some links or facts just deciding its happening will only lead to piss taking and rightfully so

The teens are into that nowadays as well

Duggy747

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its becoming a lot more common or a lot more reported,but gangbanging seems to be the thing with young teens now..

Sources?

prinz

I think it's absolutely idiotic to pretend that the ease of access and proliferation of hardcore porn being consumed by younger people often times in puberty, sometimes before it, on mobile phones, unmonitored computers etc does not have an affect on them.

It doesn't make them all a rapist, or anything of the sort, but it's ridiculous to suggest to doesn't influence attitudes and perceptions. Adults are easily manipulated through the media, yet for some reason many people refuse to accept that young people awash with hormones and oftentimes confused enough about sex and sexuality as it is, could be influenced by porn.

I Heart Internet

I don't think anyone is suggesting it doesn't have an effect Prinz - possibly a large effect but the notion of it turning swarms of kids into rapists is media scaremongering.

recylingbin

bluewolf wrote: »

yeah i'm sure rape never existed in the past ever

Yeah the vikings were hoors for playboy.

christmas2012

it does affect their beahvior to sex moreso though

christmas2012

Duggy747 wrote: »

Sources?

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Gang-rape-becoming-the-norm-for-many-young-girls-in-Ireland--159403845.html

smash

christmas2012 wrote: »

Duggy747 wrote: »

Sources?

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Gang-rape-becoming-the-norm-for-many-young-girls-in-Ireland--159403845.html

that report was discussed ages ago. It's very sensationalist.

I Heart Internet

christmas2012 wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Gang-rape-becoming-the-norm-for-many-young-girls-in-Ireland--159403845.html

That was a silly headline dreamt up by the examiner when they got an Irish "expert" to mutter something vaguely affirmative about a study being carried out in the UK - an entirely different jurisdiction. It was a non story but gave a earth-shattering headline for parents of teens.

That is not evidence.

Scanlas The 2nd

christmas2012 wrote: »

it does affect their beahvior to sex moreso though

Is that the reason you feel the urge to arbitrarily put "cock" into sentences.

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056689457?page=1#post_79521449

Maybe you should watch less porn do.

Corkfeen

christmas2012 wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Gang-rape-becoming-the-norm-for-many-young-girls-in-Ireland--159403845.html

All the findings are British stats... Overblown tabloid trash to be honest (headline in particular), gang rape is not becoming a 'norm' in Ireland....

christmas2012

what about this: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/16-year-old-girl-allegedly-gang-raped-for-6-hours-in-Cork-and-Limerick-139631163.html

EDIT: this was a 16 year old girl gang raped...by...various men in ireland in locations in: cork and limerick.

Duggy747

christmas2012 wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Gang-rape-becoming-the-norm-for-many-young-girls-in-Ireland--159403845.html

Tabloid muck about something that was said in the UK

christmas2012

another case: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/terrified-gang-rape-claim-woman-arrested-during-trial-16117

Duggy747

christmas2012 wrote: »

what about this: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/16-year-old-girl-allegedly-gang-raped-for-6-hours-in-Cork-and-Limerick-139631163.html

Doesn't say anything about kids gang raping kids, rather men allegedly raping a teen girl

I Heart Internet

christmas2012 wrote: »

what about this: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/16-year-old-girl-allegedly-gang-raped-for-6-hours-in-Cork-and-Limerick-139631163.html

EDIT: this was a 16 year old girl gang raped...by...various men in ireland in locations in: cork and limerick.

Seems like a very serious single case. I note the accused are described as "men" not teens or youths....

Tym

Qoute from the judge

The judge said: "You have not shown any sexual interest in children.



"I'm satisfied it was impulsive and I believe you have become sexualised by your exposure to and the corruption of pornography. Your exposure at such a young age has ended in tragedy. It was the fault of the world and society."

The word corruption makes his whole sentencing very, very suspicious. I'd love to know more about his past, religious beliefs, political affiliation, so on so forth.

I don't really give any credence to people who look at the past in rose tinted glasses.

Tarkus

christmas2012 wrote: »

Porn though is sexualising our children and young teenagers,there is a pressure out there to have sex at an early age,and to be seen as the one who scores a lot,i know a lot of this you could say has been around,but porn does change our behaviour to sex..

Or you could say that porn being more readily available than before should have more parent awareness/ involvement than ever before.....which it's not.

Time to work on the solution instead of some finding a particular symptom to point the finger of blame at & being done with it.

Takes a village to raise a child but apparently only one internet to destroy one...

brummytom

Ridiculous.

99% of people watch porn, 99.9999% of people have sexual urges. Most people can control those urges, whether they watch porn or not.

Corkfeen

This topic is reminiscent of the days when Child's Play got blamed for the death of James Bulger... And guess what, it wasn't the movie's fault....

brummytom wrote: »

Ridiculous.

99% of people watch porn, 99.9999% of people have sexual urges. Most people can control those urges, whether they watch porn or not.

You're a young person, Brummy... Can you confirm that gang rape amongst young people is not becoming normal? :eek:

I Heart Internet

On the actual article that the OP refered to - for what it's worth, as 10000% appalling and wrong as the teenagers act was and regardless of the role (or otherwise...I suspect it did have some bearing) of the kids exposure to online porn, I think the judge got it right.

Nothing could be gained by sending the kid to prison.

IM0

Im obviously watching the wrong porn :rolleyes: where can I get some of this gang RAPE porn

Brain Stroking

I stumbled on teens gang raping this morning on my way to work. Thought they were congregating before some exam (forgetting it is July and the year is flying) when i saw one bare teenage arse bobbing up and down between some spindly legs with tights hanging off the end of one foot.
Had gone too far to turn away so slowly made my way past. Big crowd of them taping it on their phones. Shower of scamps. Fourth morning this week i've seen it.