Pornography to blame for girls rape in todays society?Change of culture?Your thoughts

christmas2012

gang rape porn is all over the internet,torture porn etc,its everywhere..

Haelium

I think this is more to do with the fact that adolescent males are horny ****s with low levels of empathy than it is to do with culture.

Intensive Care Bear

Well if watching porn can lead to rape i must be a rape bomb waiting to go off.

Brain Stroking

christmas2012 wrote: »

gang rape porn is all over the internet,torture porn etc,its everywhere..

Really? I thought you had to go looking for it

christmas2012

Its easy to find on the internet,there is all types of porn obviously :pac:

starviewadams

So that judge is basically saying that it was porns/the modern worlds fault that the 14yo lad committed such a disgusting crime and not the fact that that there is something majorly wrong with the boy himselff?

Bull****!

christmas2012

Personally myself,i think its a combination of both,yes i think the boy should take full criminal respsibility,but i also think that porn played a huge part in the boys attitude towards sex,and just decided as a result to try it out on a 5 year old..

What would stop most boys from doing that i think is a conscience,put a guy with low empathy in front of a computer filled with all sorts of porn,and you might have such a result..

Chuck Stone

Porn is to rape as flapping your arms is to flying.

rossie1977

if its not porn to blame its violent movies, if its not violent movies its pro-wrestling, if its not wrestling its hard rock music, if its not hard rock music its videogames....

ffs will this crap ever end, stop looking for a scapegoat and look at the individual(s) in question

michael moore summed it up perfectly, why didn't people blame bowling for those whackjobs going on a murder rampage?? it was the last thing they did that day before heading off to the school

Daveysil15

christmas2012 wrote: »

Porn though is sexualising our children and young teenagers,there is a pressure out there to have sex at an early age,and to be seen as the one who scores a lot,i know a lot of this you could say has been around,but porn does change our behaviour to sex..

And do movies and video games change our behaviour to violence and drug use? A lot of rapists were abused themselves when they were younger.

christmas2012

A lot of rapists allege they were abused when they were younger,its the sob story they want to get them off on a lighter more lenient sentence by an understanding judge..

If you are naive as to believe most rapists were abused,then you gotta wake up,the average rapist is a domineering aggressor,and could you imagine a dominant little shoite being fiddled with?Dont think so.

Logical Fallacy

christmas2012 wrote: »

A lot of rapists allege they were abused when they were younger,its the sob story they want to get them off on a lighter more lenient sentence by an understanding judge..

If you are naive as to believe most rapists were abused,then you gotta wake up,the average rapist is a domineering aggressor,and could you imagine a dominant little shoite being fiddled with?Dont think so.

So someone saying they were abused, so raped = sob story.

Someone saying they saw some porn, so raped = spot on?

Me arse.

mattjack

christmas2012 wrote: »

A lot of rapists allege they were abused when they were younger,its the sob story they want to get them off on a lighter more lenient sentence by an understanding judge..

If you are naive as to believe most rapists were abused,then you gotta wake up,the average rapist is a domineering aggressor,and could you imagine a dominant little shoite being fiddled with?Dont think so.

How do you define an average rapist ? are all rapists not the same ?

christmas2012

a lot of rapists profiled are dominant,aggressive,and have anger issues toward women and their mothers in general..

Jaxxy

christmas2012 wrote: »

a lot of rapists profiled are dominant,aggressive,and have anger issues toward women and their mothers in general..

Yeah, usually as a result of abuse...

leggo

christmas2012 wrote: »

a lot of rapists profiled are dominant,aggressive,and have anger issues toward women and their mothers in general..

A lot of statements on boards are sweeping and have nothing substantial to back them up.

christmas2012

where are your sources on that jaxxy?

IM0

christmas2012 wrote: »

gang rape porn is all over the internet,torture porn etc,its everywhere..

yeah but its all fake, like POV porn. Ive yet to see an actual rape video on the net, can find tonnes of fake stuff like all porn but no real stuff or again am I missing something. find me one thats real, good look with that. anyway even if the kids watch the rape porn and dont realise it isnt fake like all porn, there should be something in their brain to say "as much as I find this a turn on, rape is wrong"

basically the old "if someone told you to stick your finger in the fire would you?" lesson lots of us learned/were thought

sick people are sick people it doesnt matter a **** if they are exposed to things its the following their desires which makes them sick not watching violent video games, porn or whatever other HARMLESSLY CONSUMED BY THE MASSES media you want to point your finger at.

mikom

Porn influences you alright.

I watched some Asian porn this morning..
Tonight I am having sweet and sour chicken balls for tea.
Beware folks, beware.

Jaxxy

christmas2012 wrote: »

where are your sources on that jaxxy?

So you're telling me that babies are born with anger issues toward their mothers and women. That those issues aren't developed and learned over time?

That no rapist has developed these tendencies due to a history of abuse, that anyone who claims such a history is making up a sob story?

Where are your sources, Christmas?

I think you don't approve of porn. I think you also enjoy reading sensationalist material and jumping on the melo-dramatic bandwagon without any realistic evidence to back up the kind of claims the bored, middle-aged listeners of Joe Duffy make.

My source for these assumptions is this thread.

It's the porn Joe! Those blue movies made those people gangrape!

christmas2012

Its not that im against porn,but i think there is overconsumption of it in our society i admit to holding that viewpoint.

I think if you put someone whos brain has not fully devloped in front of a computer with hoards of porn on it,i think it could become a problem especailly if that kid has a low moral bar..

IM0

christmas2012 wrote: »

gang rape porn is all over the internet,torture porn etc,its everywhere..

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its not that im against porn,but i think there is overconsumption of it in our society i admit to holding that viewpoint.

I think if you put someone whos brain has not fully devloped in front of a computer with hoards of porn on it,i think it could become a problem especailly if that kid has a low moral bar..

well its the internet not a computer so

Jaxxy

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its not that im against porn,but i think there is overconsumption of it in our society i admit to holding that viewpoint.

I think if you put someone whos brain has not fully devloped in front of a computer with hoards of porn on it,i think it could become a problem especailly if that kid has a low moral bar..

Why are you blaming porn. Why not the obviously absent parent who is allowing this underdeveloped mind to consume it.

mikom

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its not that im against porn,but i think there is overconsumption of it in our society i admit to holding that viewpoint.

I think if you put someone whos brain has not fully devloped in front of a computer with hoards of porn on it,i think it could become a problem especailly if that kid has a low moral bar..

what if you put someone whos brain has not fully devloped in a a co-ed school with hoards of girls with tits in it,i think it could become a problem especailly if that kid has a low moral bar..

christmas2012

<----ya but its not a porn set and there all not naked having cocks stuffed in them etc..:pac:

bhamsteve

This thread seems to have put all the boards fap-oholics on the defensive about their porn rather than having any intelligent debate on how porn can affect the mind of a young person.
I can see no doubt that exposure to large amounts of porn where women are treated as sexual object and dominated/ mistreated can have a negative effect on the psychological development of a young person. In 99.999% of cases this wouldn't be significant enough to over-ride their morality but in a minority of cases it could combine with other issues and lead to trouble.

Pacing Mule

christmas2012 wrote: »

A lot of rapists allege they were abused when they were younger,its the sob story they want to get them off on a lighter more lenient sentence by an understanding judge..

If you are naive as to believe most rapists were abused,then you gotta wake up,the average rapist is a domineering aggressor,and could you imagine a dominant little shoite being fiddled with?Dont think so.

Childhood sexual abuse normally takes place long before any personallity traits come into it. Toddlers, kids too young to understand what is happening etc. If anything the domineering agressor is more often than not borne from and as a result of being abused at an early age - a kind of over compensating. It's that issue / influence on the development of that person that is cited as a mitigating factor.

Not that I think for a second that it should be used as an excuse. There are plenty of people (me included) who suffered sexual abuse as a child and who do not go on to repeat history with kids or engage in sexual violence with women.

Scioch

Yes the little shít did something he alone takes responsibility for but you cannot ignore the reasons why.

If a kid is exposed to hardcore porn then of course its going to influence him to some degree, it would be insane to suggest it wouldnt.

Difficulty is in knowing what this kid was like. 14 year olds probably vary in maturity and awareness of what they are doing sexually. If its deemed to be an impulsive thing influenced by porn then I find it hard to call for the kids head. Wouldnt the trial be enough of a fright for the lad rather than putting him in some institution with worse people and instilling in him the thought he was sexually attracted to kids when he probably isnt ?

I know what he did was disgusting but sending him down the whole juvy route would probably turn him out to be worse than he actually is.

mikom

I heard Jack the Ripper liked to watch reverse anal gangbangs on his iPad.
True story.

Scanlas The 2nd

christmas2012 wrote: »

<----ya but its not a porn set and there all not naked having cocks stuffed in them etc..:pac:

What's wrong with women having cocks "stuffed" in them? It's a natural healthy form of pleasure.

christmas2012

ok i know there were jack the ripper rapists about,but what im saying is that the way porn is peddled now,everyone seems to be getting in on videotaping it and it changes our attitudes to sex..

christmas2012

What's wrong with women having cocks "stuffed" in them? It's a natural healthy form of pleasure.

mikom wrote: »

what if you put someone whos brain has not fully devloped in a a co-ed school with hoards of girls with tits in it,i think it could become a problem especailly if that kid has a low moral bar..

scroll back to page 5,it was in reply to this above:

Nodin

christmas2012 wrote: »

also another piece which you might find interesting,is that there is a rise in gang rape in ireland,is this a new phenomenon or is it just more reported?and is porn to blame for all this,should the individual take criminal responsiblity?

A heartening amount of commonsense replies to your bizzarre notion have thakfully made any comment I might make redundant.

christmas2012

there have been reports on the rise in gang rape incidents in ireland over the last ten years

FairytaleGirl

The disturbing thing is that it was a 5 year old girl.

A 14 year old boy - should not only know better than to rape but even if his little brain was corrupted I doubt he was watching porn with 5year old girls in it.

If he raped an older girl (11,12,13) maybe the rapist thing could stick but i think his issues go far more into child abuse and being mentally disturbed than being sexually curious to a horrific extent.

Scioch

FairytaleGirl wrote: »

The disturbing thing is that it was a 5 year old girl.

A 14 year old boy - should not only know better than to rape but even if his little brain was corrupted I doubt he was watching porn with 5year old girls in it.

If he raped an older girl (11,12,13) maybe the rapist thing could stick but i think his issues go far more into child abuse and being mentally disturbed than being sexually curious to a horrific extent.

He didnt seek out a victim. So there was no "Who will I rape, 13 year old or 5 year old?" thought process. He found himself in a position where he could satisfy a sexual urge and he acted on it. Utterly wrong and worrying that he would do that but its nonsense to claim he chose to do it because he's more attracted to 5 year olds than older girls.

Shenshen

bhamsteve wrote: »

This thread seems to have put all the boards fap-oholics on the defensive about their porn rather than having any intelligent debate on how porn can affect the mind of a young person.
I can see no doubt that exposure to large amounts of porn where women are treated as sexual object and dominated/ mistreated can have a negative effect on the psychological development of a young person. In 99.999% of cases this wouldn't be significant enough to over-ride their morality but in a minority of cases it could combine with other issues and lead to trouble.

I would have to politely disagree.
As a female, I've enjoyed porn since I found a stack of magazines my dad had hidden in the basement, I was 14 at the time.
And ever since then I can honestly say I never understood the "women are treated as sexual objects". I mean, maybe the people claiming this are watching different porn from what I watch, but so far most of what I've seen focuses entirely on the woman. She's the centrepiece, and the whole aim of most films is to show how much she enjoys it (if she does or doesn't would be for another debatte).
The male participants on the other hand are potrayed as nothing but disembodied cocks and balls, with no other purpose than pleasuring the female.
If anything, it's men who are objectified by mainstream porn, not the women.

christmas2012

I would disagree with that the man is not identified in the shot,making him have more power,while she is identifiable(ie the object)..

Shenshen

christmas2012 wrote: »

there have been reports on the rise in gang rape incidents in ireland over the last ten years

You keep saying that, yet all the figures I cam find online seem to indicate that rape incidents are decreasing...

Shenshen

christmas2012 wrote: »

I would disagree with that the man is not identified in the shot,making him have more power,while she is identifiable(ie the object)..

More power as a disembodied cock? You'll have to explain that one to me.
And how does being identifiable make her an object? Does Facebook turn us all into objects, then?

christmas2012

not according to irish central,i think our perceptions on who is the object are different,but i think porn as a whole objectifies the act of sex..

K-9

LordSmeg wrote: »

Yes the little shít did something he alone takes responsibility for but you cannot ignore the reasons why.

If a kid is exposed to hardcore porn then of course its going to influence him to some degree, it would be insane to suggest it wouldnt.

Difficulty is in knowing what this kid was like. 14 year olds probably vary in maturity and awareness of what they are doing sexually. If its deemed to be an impulsive thing influenced by porn then I find it hard to call for the kids head. Wouldnt the trial be enough of a fright for the lad rather than putting him in some institution with worse people and instilling in him the thought he was sexually attracted to kids when he probably isnt ?

I know what he did was disgusting but sending him down the whole juvy route would probably turn him out to be worse than he actually is.

There's a nonchalance from many about the easy accessibility to it and some even get defensive over the notion of any restrictions on the net. I don't side with the "in my day" point, what's available on the net is far from playboy or a blue movie on Sky!

I don't know if it has that much effect, if any, but I think just dismissing any possible effects as very naive ironically!

Scioch

Shenshen wrote: »

I would have to politely disagree.
As a female, I've enjoyed porn since I found a stack of magazines my dad had hidden in the basement, I was 14 at the time.
And ever since then I can honestly say I never understood the "women are treated as sexual objects". I mean, maybe the people claiming this are watching different porn from what I watch, but so far most of what I've seen focuses entirely on the woman. She's the centrepiece, and the whole aim of most films is to show how much she enjoys it (if she does or doesn't would be for another debatte).
The male participants on the other hand are potrayed as nothing but disembodied cocks and balls, with no other purpose than pleasuring the female.
If anything, it's men who are objectified by mainstream porn, not the women.

Yeah it depends entirely on the type of porn and the actresses/actors. A regular guy on girl scene swings in the way of the more expressive performer. With famous actresses its usually them as you say they are the centerpiece.

What your into really defines how you view it really.

Shenshen

christmas2012 wrote: »

not according to irish central,i think our perceptions on who is the object are different,but i think porn as a whole objectifies the act of sex..

It portrays sex. Nothing more, nothing less.
Everything else you think and feel while watching is you projecting your thoughts and emotions. Essentially, you see what you want to see.

RainMaker

I would suspect that lenient sentencing and the general sense among certain sections of society that the gardai, etc are powerless to stop them doing what they want are more to blame.

I would agree with the family mentioned in the OP criticizing the judge for trying to relate the crime with pornography, it seems like an easy way to pass the buck and rather than accept that we have a serious problem with elements of society, it just gets dismissed as a sort of "look what too much porn does",exactly the way "look what violet video games produces" sort of reasoning.

It seems obvious to me that not enough people are willing to accept responsibility for their own actions, probably because they know there will always be somebody there to defend them i.e. it's not his fault, society failed him or some B.S.

We've created a whole generation of people who have an unrealistic sense of entitlement, and i think the sort of people who try to blame video games, pornography, tv, movies, whatever are actually part of the problem.

mikom

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Shenshen

LordSmeg wrote: »

Yeah it depends entirely on the type of porn and the actresses/actors. A regular guy on girl scene swings in the way of the more expressive performer. With famous actresses its usually them as you say they are the centerpiece.

What your into really defines how you view it really.

True, but no matter what you watch, it's rare to see his face. I've sometimes gone for gay porn, simply because you will see the guys faces more often.

Tomk1

Pornography to blame for girls rape in todays society?Change of culture?Your thoughts

Here's my thoughts:
Maybe there is a change of culture, (a victim told m) it use tobe initiation rape of some 9-year old boys, into the scouts 'Club' by a Christian Brother which he video taped, this went on for well over 15 yrs, but wait this was before the internet.
Why did it go on for so long, close door, hush hush, wisphers.

Thanks to the internet, these things today can be known worldwide not pretented away. Yes that was an adult and many minors and I know it was not an isolated event.

So did things like the article also happen a few decades ago, don't know we didn't have the internet to inform us. But if an adult and many minors was ignored and kept silent, then it would seem likely things like this could have of happened without the world knowing.

Point is, can we say this wouldn't have of happened if that Kid never seen porn, maybe/maybe not, I'm not qualified to know, but as an internet nobody, I'm with the parents on this, the Judge scapgoating it, is wrong, and worse is the MP and whoever using this case for their own quest.

So in answer to your question, I don't think so, it happend before, at least today people are more aware, I think a proper academic study should be done.

Scioch

Shenshen wrote: »

True, but no matter what you watch, it's rare to see his face. I've sometimes gone for gay porn, simply because you will see the guys faces more often.

I suppose its divided between closeups on the business, closeup of the woman and wide shots with that being the most the guys face is featured.

christmas2012

Shenshen wrote: »

It portrays sex. Nothing more, nothing less.
Everything else you think and feel while watching is you projecting your thoughts and emotions. Essentially, you see what you want to see.

Tell that to the fourteen year old boy who was watching whatever type of porn he was watching before he raped that five year old..

Im not saying the two are directly linked but i think his consumption of porn does play a role in it,he was young full of hormones,had a low moral code,and decided to go for it on a five year old..