Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

Nodin

Atlantis50 wrote: »

Now the ball is in your court to back that claim up with statistics.

http://chs.revues.org/index1031.html

Sappa

Who are the Swedish house mafia,some sort of swedish Ndubz r something similar along the same rubbish?

Tombi!

Onixx wrote: »

Too much alcohol can most definitely make reasonable people rowdy and aggressive though. What that person is saying is: recreational drugs are less likely to do this (with the exception of cocaine I'd think) because they have a "loved up" effect.

I still think it depends on the person. I've been legless and not able to complete a sentence before but I've never dreamt of fighting people.

Sure, too much alcohol makes it likely I might punch someone but by that time we've gone from "drunk" to "needs medical attention to live".

Alcohol might be a problem but scum who use it as a crutch to get away with their violent accents really weren't drunk imo. I used to know a guy who would drink two bottles of WKD (the little ones) and then pick fights and say they were drun and it wasn't theri fault.

I've also known people who got stoned and picked fights when they didn't drink.

Nodin

LH Pathe wrote: »

Point being, such artificial degeneracy in 'music' will bring the degenerates with the artificial personalities. And those who deny this / defend it

Yes Xenu, but you have no power over us now.

LH Pathe

LH Pathe wrote: »

E is the dangerous designer disco-infiltrating drug the tv shows of the 80s predicted. Became a must-take accompiament for most, to enjoy the 'music' what about the guy who has to collect his dole accompanied by his mother, lurching head-down brain- damaged and de-sensitized by one too many. Senses perma-dulled, unable to feel anythhing whatsoever anymore having got so high - that's the price; artificial buzz to artificial music in artificial environment. Robotic music/Robotic poeple. Don't be a sucker - don't be a hipster. Don't take e; don't attend raves. Nobody says you have to, ignore the hip herd majority and do yores own thing

Is that you Gerry Ryan?

criticalcritic

News was on saying it was 'only a small number who went to cause trouble' and mentioned the drunkeness and messing on Navan Road

It was more then small number given the amount of Airmax in attendance

flyswatter

Sappa wrote: »

Who are the Swedish house mafia,some sort of swedish Ndubz r something similar along the same rubbish?

No. They're kind of a DJ supergroup, three big name DJ's all together.

Collie D

criticalcritic wrote: »

It was more then small number given the amount of Airmax in attendance

Oh, FFS

thebaz

Sappa wrote: »

Who are the Swedish house mafia?

I remember lamenting the death of rave music / culture , back in '94 , i think , 20 years later

immersive

BRAIN FEEDs wrote: »

:rolleyes: go to a court for a day mate and see how many of these bullsh1t cases are before the court.

stop your nonsense

Look at the YouTube video of those students surrounding the guards in Galway outside supermacs during rag week a few months ago. Stop my nonsense. I'm talking about real zero tolerance.

Mr. Loverman

Ireland (and the UK) with its scumbag culture... christ what is wrong with us.

df1985

criticalcritic wrote: »

It was more then small number given the amount of Airmax in attendance

pathetic.

Paully D

Vinta81 wrote: »

Same! We were at the gig too and had a fantastic time! A lot of the trouble seemed to happen at the far left of the stage, from what I've heard. We were up the front for Calvin Harris and moved back a bit and we were in an area where people were just dancing and having a laugh, so pushing, shoving, we had space...it was great!

Sad to hear about the injuries and deaths, but honestly I didn't come across any violent behaviour.

Yeah, we were around halfway back in the middle for the first 3 but moved up further to the front for Swedish House Mafia and it was great up there too. It seems most of the people in the centre were fine, but I didn't go to the left or right of the stage at all so maybe it was different over there.

Plenty of sun, beer and craic. Sounds like quite a few had the same good experience as us but obviously others weren't so lucky.

Dunny

Shame on you, Nike.

yoyo

thebaz wrote: »

at a guess , I would say 80% of the alcohol that caused any of the major problem yesterday was bought cheaply in supermarkets - as an ex problem drinker I find the demise of the Irish bar is a bad thing for Irish society , it has simply been replaced by the gluttonous binge drinking of cheap off licence booze

I know alcoholics who never drank at home... Always in the pub, I suppose people are different but blaming cheap booze in supermarkets as a source of alcohol problems is not fair. There are many out there who drink themselves into oblivion in licensed premises, whats worse is the barman who is not supposed to serve intoxicated persons? will continue to do so anyways...
I'm sure the 3 unfortunate people who died yesterday had more than just alcohol in their systems, if even any. Devastating for the family and friends anyway whatever the circumstances.

Nick

steelcityblues

Don't think it is unfair to say that certain musical acts very much attract a certain, less savoury type of person. Would this type of incident(s) have happened after an Andrea Bocelli gig?

Madam_X

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I still think it depends on the person.

Oh it does depend on the person most definitely. You've got the aggressive-no-matter-what types but then you've got the reasonable people who turn nuts on drink and are disgusted with themselves next day when they remember/are told what they did.

criticalcritic wrote: »

News was on saying it was 'only a small number who went to cause trouble' and mentioned the drunkeness and messing on Navan Road

Maybe a small percentage?

Duggys Housemate

I doubt it was E, alcohol is far more dangerous.

O'Doodle

I hope MCD struggle to get a licence for an outdoor concert again.

I hope the government introduce new polices to combat this sort of thuggery. Even it means that MCD have to pay for hundreds/thousands of police officers to marshall these events. Even if it means MCD have to install airport style security at the gates.

Also why haven't local politicians been on the news in outrage about the anti-social behavior that went on inside and outside of the concert. Does nobody give a **** in this country anymore... seems like it.

Atlantis50

Nodin wrote: »

http://chs.revues.org/index1031.html

Did you bother to look through your link?

It shows crime from 1860 to 1914 was much lower than in the previous 7 years in Ireland.

See Figure 3 (Assault in Ireland, 1863-1914) in the link and these assault statistics from 2004 to 2011:

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c13.asp&TableName=Attempts+/+threats+to+murder+,+assaults+,+harassments+and+related+offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

LH Pathe

Onixx wrote: »

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

No, it's not. You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry, but you don't.

I've seen completely sober scumbags beat people within an inch of their lives. I've seen drunk people help others when they fall down.

Alcohol doesn't make timid people violent. It reduces inhibitions. It makes it more likely than violent scumbags will be violent scumbags. Alcohol isn't a common factor. Scumbags are the common factor.

Too much alcohol can most definitely make reasonable people rowdy and aggressive though. What that person is saying is: recreational drugs are less likely to do this (with the exception of cocaine I'd think) because they have a "loved up" effect.

this is why it is a wolf in Sheeps clothing. Have more compassion in me than any artificially adjusted raver despite professing 'hate' - raves remind me of a 'love ulster' parade. Faux banner of 'love' to try and veil the true hate. Went to a rave once; culture shock roo much er - love; from my fellow man. Or is that even his true intention? does he wanna **** me or stab me weird feckin ****e, will stick to my punky reggae rocker parties. **** the concept of one big love-in, won't be touching a techno hipster cum tweenybopper event with a bargepole

Nodin

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

Ireland (and the UK) with its scumbag culture... christ what is wrong with us.

http://www.theboombox.com/2011/03/07/two-men-stabbed-at-lloyd-banks-concert/

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.9910/title.councilman-trying-to-ban-hip-hop-after-stabbing-at-plies-concert-

http://www.koaa.com/news/stabbing-at-rap-concert-in-colorado-springs/

christmas2012

E can make you loved up,but what there mixing it with nowdays can make you into an aggressive arsehole,its mixed in with probably all types of now illegal head shop gear..

Onixx

Onixx wrote: »

Oh it does depend on the person most definitely. You've got the aggressive-no-matter-what types but then you've got the reasonable people who turn nuts on drink and are disgusted with themselves next day when they remember/are told what they did.

Maybe a small percentage?

Still their fault for drinking then.

Madam_X

steelcityblues wrote: »

Don't think it is unfair to say that certain musical acts very much attract a certain, less savoury type of person. Would this type of incident(s) have happened after an Andrea Bocelli gig?

Wouldn't even have to go to that extreme. A Groove Armada concert would attract way less idiots. "Gangsta" rap and chart dance are loved by morons and silly kids.

Nodin

Atlantis50 wrote: »

Did you bother to look through your link?

It shows crime from 1860 to 1914 was much lower than in the previous few decades (1980s on).

See Figure 3 (Assault in Ireland, 1863-1914) in the link and these assault statistics from 2004 to 2011:

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c13.asp&TableName=Attempts+/+threats+to+murder+,+assaults+,+harassments+and+related+offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

...because of emmigration.

Duggys Housemate

christmas2012 wrote: »

E can make you loved up,but what there mixing it with nowdays can make you into an aggressive arsehole,its mixed in with probably all types of now illegal head shop gear..

I see, I never took anything but used to go to dance clubs more than a decade ago. It was a rough element, but very very chilled out. Much more so than the same people on alcohol, i would have run a mile.....

Times change though.

Nodin

O'Doodle wrote: »

I hope MCD struggle to get a licence for an outdoor concert again.

I hope the government introduce new polices to combat this sort of thuggery. Even it means that MCD have to pay for hundreds/thousands of police officers to marshall these events. Even if it means MCD have to install airport style security at the gates.

Also why haven't local politicians been on the news in outrage about the anti-social behavior that went on inside and outside of the concert. Does nobody give a **** in this country anymore... seems like it.

Yep, theres nothin like knee-jerk reactions from politicians to improve a situation.

steelcityblues

Onixx wrote: »

Wouldn't even have to go to that extreme. A Groove Armada concert would attract way less idiots. "Gangsta" rap and chart dance are loved by morons and silly kids.

They very much appeal to a lot of white underclass types, who want to ape the worst aspects of US life.

No music with an intellectual message, or that is aesthetically beautiful, appeal to these types.

Duggys Housemate

Nodin wrote: »

Yep, theres nothin like knee-jerk reactions from politicians to improve a situation.

sometimes knees need jerking.

Lumbo

Onixx wrote: »

Wouldn't even have to go to that extreme. A Groove Armada concert would attract way less idiots. "Gangsta" rap and chart dance are loved by morons and silly kids.

Not exactly true. Fatboy Slim, who I would consider similar to GA played in Marley Park a few years ago. It was a complete scum fest.

criticalcritic

By the way I would hazzard a guess that last night most of those present running amok were not 'scumbags' in true sense of the word, Id say more spoilt middle class wannabe shams doing their utmost to prove how 'swar' they are.
Although their behaviour would warrant them being labeled scumbags.

I find most honest to god scumbags mean, and first port of call with dole pittance would be gargle and drugs

Cant see many logging onto ticket master buying SHM tickets

Id say was case lets head down the park and outdo the real scummers

christmas2012

Its gotten worse over the years,ive noticed even in pubs i see girls fighting and ripping at each others faces and punching and kicking and that,used to only be the fellas,now with fellas its hurleys and such,i was out and about the other week when i noticed one guy tearing down the street near to where i live with a golf ball club :eek: i couldnt believe what i was seeing,and he was half naked his face fully red like he was steamed out on drink and drugs..

Nodin

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

sometimes knees need jerking.

Nope. Thought out responses are whats needed, not emotional reactions and attention whoring.

italodisco

withless wrote: »

What a tune!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tombi!

Onixx wrote: »

Oh it does depend on the person most definitely. You've got the aggressive-no-matter-what types but then you've got the reasonable people who turn nuts on drink and are disgusted with themselves next day when they remember/are told what they did.

Maybe a small percentage?

Ah but here's the issue: let's say I am a violent scumbag when I have a few tinnies.

What would any responsible normal person do? Just not drink as much.

At the end of the day you can blame alcohol but if it's a repeat offender of abusing alcohol, they're the scumbag at fault and not alcohol.

Atlantis50

Nodin wrote: »

...because of emmigration.

But you said crime was much higher in the 1860s than it is now and posted a link to an article showing the opposite. That has nothing to do with emigration.

Lumbo

criticalcritic wrote: »

By the way I would hazzard a guess that last night most of those present running amok were not 'scumbags' in true sense of the word, Id say more spoilt middle class wannabe shams doing their utmost to prove how 'swar' they are.
Although their behaviour would warrant them being labeled scumbags.

I find most honest to god scumbags mean, and first port of call with dole pittance would be gargle and drugs

Cant see many logging onto ticket master buying SHM tickets

Id say was case lets head down the park and outdo the real scummers

Please stop.

RMD

steelcityblues wrote: »

Don't think it is unfair to say that certain musical acts very much attract a certain, less savoury type of person. Would this type of incident(s) have happened after an Andrea Bocelli gig?

It's not the Act but the genre. SHM play commercial house music, many of Dublin's finest knackers like commercial house music. This is why for example gigs like Avicii, Deadmau5 and SHM all had a larger "knacker" content than we'll say Tim Mason and Seth Troxler who've both played Dublin recently. They play a different genre of dance music which doesn't appeal to the average 15-24 year old knacker and as such their gigs didn't receive the same type of crowd. They were all great nights and all went out without a hitch. It's not the act but the genre which draws the scum.

David Guetta is playing Marley park on August 24th, I'm pretty certain it's going to go off exactly like yesterday did as he's also an incredibly big name in commercial house music. I'd like to see 1-2 of his supporting acts but I'm going to avoid that gig because it's going to be ruined by the minority of scum who act out so much they appear to be the majority. Shame.

seanbmc

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

I doubt it was E, alcohol is far more dangerous.

Agreed, alcohol is a big cause of most of the fights that you see happening.

E gives you that "loved up" feeling and reduces your social inhibitions. Worst thing you have to deal with when someone is on it is them talking shíte or being affectionate.

To be honest, most people on here haven't a clue what they're on about and just genarlise. "High as kites, Joe" etc.

Nodin

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its gotten worse over the years,ive noticed even in pubs i see girls fighting and ripping at each others faces and punching and kicking and that,used to only be the fellas,now with fellas its hurleys and such,i was out and about the other week when i noticed one guy tearing down the street near to where i live with a golf ball club :eek: i couldnt believe what i was seeing,and he was half naked his face fully red like he was steamed out on drink and drugs..

Jaysus....thats mad. Going on your last thread I'd have thought they'd be all too busy with the gang rapin.

Madam_X

Oh god a David Guetta gig can only mean disaster.

seanbmc

RMD wrote: »

It's not the Act but the genre. SHM play commercial house music, many of Dublin's finest knackers like commercial house music. This is why for example gigs like Avicii, Deadmau5 and SHM all had a larger "knacker" content than we'll say Tim Mason and Seth Troxler who've both played Dublin recently. They play a different genre of dance music which doesn't appeal to the average 15-24 year old knacker and as such their gigs didn't receive the same type of crowd. They were all great nights and all went out without a hitch. It's not the act but the genre which draws the scum.

David Guetta is playing Marley park on August 24th, I'm pretty certain it's going to go off exactly like yesterday did as he's also an incredibly big name in commercial house music. I'd like to see 1-2 of his supporting acts but I'm going to avoid that gig because it's going to be ruined by the minority of scum who act out so much they appear to be the majority. Shame.

I'll be leaving as soon as Gueta graces the stage, looking forward to seeing Tommy Trash and Wolfgang Gartner.

Nodin

Atlantis50 wrote: »

But you said crime was much higher in the 1860s than it is now and posted a link to an article showing the opposite. That has nothing to do with emigration.

You win. You're absolutely correct. The country has never been worse and we will all be ass raped to death by skangers in our houses. The last words ever heard in this country will be a voice crying "Joeeeeeeee!!!!!!!"

Lumbo

Onixx wrote: »

Oh god a David Guetta gig can only mean disaster.

Yeah, his music's terrible.

mikom

O'Doodle wrote: »

I hope MCD struggle to get a licence for an outdoor concert again.

I hope the government introduce new polices to combat this sort of thuggery. Even it means that MCD have to pay for hundreds/thousands of police officers to marshall these events. Even if it means MCD have to install airport style security at the gates.

Also why haven't local politicians been on the news in outrage about the anti-social behavior that went on inside and outside of the concert. Does nobody give a **** in this country anymore... seems like it.

Concert scumbag tax in the offing.
Expect to pay it if you have either a job and/or a house.

lolo62

i think this is what happens when people dont get enough sunlight..anyone ever seen the documentary on norways death metal murders? same for the drugs..people loose the plot when the sun shines after weeks of deprivation!

Madam_X

Lumbo wrote: »

Yeah, his music's terrible.

Heh, I like some of his tunes.
Ditto Calvin Harris.

I draw the line at NDubz.

Duggys Housemate

seanbmc wrote: »

Agreed, alcohol is a big cause of most of the fights that you see happening.

E gives you that "loved up" feeling and reduces your social inhibitions. Worst thing you have to deal with when someone is on it is them talking shíte or being affectionate.

To be honest, most people on here haven't a clue what they're on about and just genarlise. "High as kites, Joe" etc.

Off the record a guard told me once they used to worry when the heard supplies of E were down in certain Irish cities, it was replaced by alcohol which caused much more trouble.

I used to go to Sir Henrys, when I lived in Cork for 2 years; a place which had a rough crown and student types. I was the latter. They barely sold alcohol all night - lots of water though - I can see why they closed down. I didn't take anything, and they made sure that people came in clean, and no selling onsite. It was a very chilled place, although it had a clearly "scummy" element.

Obviously things have moved on.

Prop Joe

People who do drugs are f**king Gob****es