Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

Heisenberggg

immersive wrote: »

Point is only in Ireland though. Not in other countries and I have first hand experience of this. I could name one ANdrea bocelli track and you know which one! Because I'm not into his stuff. All the scumbags there yesterday could name one or two Swedish house mafia tracks. The ones in the charts or on mainstream radio. But they wouldn't know anything at all above the individual djs, their underground music or their other productions for popstars etc. Point being they don't actually follow this music, they are mainly there to get wasted etc. They are scumbags, that is why. As someone asked above, why do we have so many scumbags in this country?

This is so true. If swedish house mafia weren't as big as they are then you'd only have genuine fans going. The scumbags are more their for a piss up rather than the actual music. I'm quite embarrassed to live in the same city as some of them and it's saddening that one of swedish house mafias last ever shows has been covered in a bad light by absolute scum. You'd never hear about this at other festivals of EDM like tomorrowland or UMF but for some reason Ireland seems to attract the lowest of the low. I was at the concert last night and seen one fight all in all. Even though it was only one fight it was pretty brutal. Girls and Lads both involved with three girls kicking another girl in the face and head whilst she on the ground trying to get back up. Another fella was knocked unconscious and people were trying to get security over to help him. My sister went also but couldnt handle the absolute scum and left early. Someone let off tear gas where she was and she left. It's just ridiculous.

Duggys Housemate

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Regardless of whether it was drugs or alcohol which caused the problems - I go with Alcohol, what we have here is in fact new. Seven stabbings, which could have resulted in seven deaths. The handing of security to a private organisation in its entirely, the non-existence of the Gardai on the local streets, the ceding of the city to a mob for a few hours. Not too different from St. Patrick's day right enough, but we cant keep on with doing nothing. What to do? Maybe remove all concerts from the park, push them out to the Aviva. Have riot police on hand. Stop all drunks from getting in - turnstiles are your friend.

When would you act, Nodin? Ten stabbings? Twenty? Fifty? A few deaths thrown in?

All but one were released from hospital last night so probably a bit much to call them all attempted murders. There was an incident in Drogheda a few years ago where someone went out and slashed half a dozen people on a weekend night, not a huge deal made out of it. Someone being an arsehole isn't new, it happens now and again.

Dangerous Man

Deleted User wrote: »

All but one were released from hospital last night so probably a bit much to call them all attempted murders. There was an incident in Drogheda a few years ago where someone went out and slashed half a dozen people on a weekend night, not a huge deal made out of it. Someone being an arsehole isn't new, it happens now and again.

See my sig.

AnonoBoy

Deleted User wrote: »

All but one were released from hospital last night so probably a bit much to call them all attempted murders. There was an incident in Drogheda a few years ago where someone went out and slashed half a dozen people on a weekend night, not a huge deal made out of it. Someone being an arsehole isn't new, it happens now and again.

If you stab someone then the chances are much higher that they'll die than if you swing a fist at them.

It's a lot worse than 'being an arsehole'.

amacca

amacca wrote: »

brushstrokes are a bit broad there...depends on the type of "crime" you are measuring and what the statisticians consider to be "crime" plus how much of it goes un-noticed/unpunished and never even makes it into those oft quoted precious statistics

In my experience of living and working in this country...........the type of crime I'm talking about (thuggery, unprovoked attacks and general scumbaggishness, physically intimidating behavior leading to fighting on the street etc) is definitely on the increase (over that last 20 -25 years)...unless I'm imagining things, and I dont think its a case of rose tinted glasses...things were not perfect in the past but there was a lid on this type of behaviour to an extent because the punishment would be relatively quick and relatively severe enough to serve as a deterrant...that deterrant does not exist any more

now, even people who can stand up for themselves physically are afraid to because the situation has gotten out of hand....you dont know if its a set up, if you'll lose an eye, your life because the scumbags have no limits and no real consequences...when they are caught they will probably just walk out of court smirking at you

Funny thing is I would've thought it'd gone up in the last 5 years but in my own experience it doesn't seem to have. My dad has loads of war stories from 40-25 years ago that makes several towns come across like warzones.

RichieD

Scumbags tend to like ****e music, especially ****e dance music & ****e rap/hip hop.

Combine that with it being a lovely sunny day, during the summer when they are off from school/fas courses and being a saturday after they have colelcted their dole or childrens allowance on the thursday.

Its a perfect storm

Northern Monkey

Prop Joe wrote: »

If you buy pills the weekend or occasionally or whenever do you not know that the few quid you throw the dealer indirectly ends up in the pockets of the biggest scummers in Ireland who cause so much pain in this county.

I try my best not to break the law in all aspects of life especially not aiding criminals.

Just can't see how someone can justify giving money to these scum in exchange for a bit of a buzz for a few hours.

Prop Joe is against drug dealers?:p

Funkfield

Prop Joe wrote: »

People who do drugs are f**king Gob****es

Prop Joe wrote: »

I Drink and Smoke

:eek:

Dangerous Man

Dangerous Man wrote: »

See my sig.

I'm not fluent in gibberish.

AnonoBoy wrote: »

If you stab someone then the chances are much higher that they'll die than if you swing a fist at them.

It's a lot worse than 'being an arsehole'.

Kneecapping someone is worse than punching them, still isn't attempted murder.

There should be a mandatory sentence for someone caught carrying a knife - 5 years at least imo.

If you carry a knife you must intend to use it at some stage.

Lumbo

immersive wrote: »

Still making great underground music. He does the chart stuff for everybody for the bucks. The GUetta that produces most of the number ones these days is the not the real Guetta. But the real Guetta still exists. He does it all.....because he can.

I've seen him DJ plenty of times over the last 15 years. At one point I would have found his type of house acceptable. He sold out a long time ago and even his so called "underground" stuff is tripe.

tayto lover

rarnes1 wrote: »

There should be a mandatory sentence for someone caught carrying a knife - 5 years at least imo.

If you carry a knife you must intend to use it at some stage.

I read somewhere that there is a 5 year mandatory sentence but some judges not giving it still.

Dangerous Man

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not fluent in gibberish.


Kneecapping someone is worse than punching them, still isn't attempted murder.

Yes you are.

daenerysstormborn3

rarnes1 wrote: »

There should be a mandatory sentence for someone caught carrying a knife - 5 years at least imo.

If you carry a knife you must intend to use it at some stage.

They've become quite severe about carrying knives in the UK since the huge increase in knife crime. I was watching one of those police interceptor shows (something like that anyway) and they found a knife in some young lads car. He ended up in jail for a few years, can't remember exactly what the sentence was though.

Maybe it's time our own laws were looked at if knife crime here is following the same pattern.

leggo

I used to work in security at these events and we were grossly untrained and unprepared for the situations demanded of us. Security has been the dayjob for me since I was 18, so I actually had some training, but most people I worked with were lads looking for a handy few bob and got no training or preparation whatsoever. Just told to stand on a random gate, given no particular instructions, then shouted at for not knowing what they were doing.

I'd imagine that the promoters of these events (are we still not allowed say their names?) rake in the cash with the numbers going. So where's that money going? Is it lining their pockets instead of investing it in the safety of those involved? I get that they're running a business, but profit should not come before safety. If you can't provide the people with adequate safety, you shouldn't be allowed to run these events. But these companies are too big, by now, for an Irish government to make such demands.

PseudoFamous

rarnes1 wrote: »

There should be a mandatory sentence for someone caught carrying a knife - 5 years at least imo.

If you carry a knife you must intend to use it at some stage.

A few of my friends carry knives. One of them is in the army reserves, another is a scout leader. Neither of them regularly kill people.

daenerysstormborn3

PseudoFamous wrote: »

A few of my friends carry knives. One of them is in the army reserves, another is a scout leader. Neither of them regularly kill people.

That's all well and good, I'm sure there are many professions that require carrying a knife, a stanley blade comes to mind for a lot of trades, but your friends (like anyone else) would have no need to carry a knife when out doing their shopping, going to the pub for a drink or to a gig unless they had some intention to use it. Obviously if people are in possession of knives in the course of their work, there would be a level of understanding applied.

AnonoBoy

Deleted User wrote: »

Kneecapping someone is worse than punching them, still isn't attempted murder.

More chance of dying from a stab wound. And it's still very blase to describe it as "being an arsehole".

JohnnyChimpo

PseudoFamous wrote: »

A few of my friends carry knives. One of them is in the army reserves, another is a scout leader. Neither of them regularly kill people.

I brought a big knife and a birthday cake to my friend's house for her birthday once.

To be fair though, I did stab a few lads that night.

RichieD wrote: »

Scumbags tend to like ****e music, especially ****e dance music & ****e rap/hip hop.

Combine that with it being a lovely sunny day, during the summer when they are off from school/fas courses and being a saturday after they have colelcted their dole or childrens allowance on the thursday.

Its a perfect storm

Now now, this is just an absurd generalisation. I, for one, get my dole on a Tuesday :pac:

AnonoBoy

leggo wrote: »

I'd imagine that the promoters of these events (are we still not allowed say their names?) rake in the cash with the numbers going.

Get with the times man. We've been allowed say MCD here for years!

wallpaper12

AnonoBoy wrote: »

You must have some fairly sh*tty nights if a night where you got punched and kicked at random by strangers counts as one of the best in your life.


I already said two seconds of my night is hardly going to ruin the whole thing, some people here are idiots.

The show put on by swedish house mafia was absolutely unbelievable.

Brain Stroking

Prop Joe wrote: »

If you buy pills the weekend or occasionally or whenever do you not know that the few quid you throw the dealer indirectly ends up in the pockets of the biggest scummers in Ireland who cause so much pain in this county.

I try my best not to break the law in all aspects of life especially not aiding criminals.

Just can't see how someone can justify giving money to these scum in exchange for a bit of a buzz for a few hours.

Yes but you are viewing this problem linearly when it is one that is actually tied up in an unnecessary loop. Nobody wants to give their money to scumbags but that is the situation that legislation has created. In Prohibition America you would have been giving your money to scumbags as that is the only place alcohol could be purchased. An issue legislation created and then reversed by legalising alcohol. Same argument could be made for marijuana, ecstasy etc. Regulate the selling and purify the output and you reduce the risk of taking but, more importantly, you remove the criminal element. Hence the reason we all saw Head Shops burning. They were (at the time) legally cornering drug dealers out of the market.

You share the same opinion on this as my parents would (i'm 30 btw) but it is this attitude, while good-hearted, which is ignorantly exacerbating the problem

yoyo

Deleted User wrote: »

Did he take much or just have an odd reaction to it?

He used to tell me at how "safe" these drugs were, and used them regularly enough. I don't know how many he had taken, but I'm sure he had enough. I don't know him that well but was chatting to him after the incident for a bit. Not a "scumbag" either.

Deleted User wrote: »

Alcohol poisoning isn't the same as choking on one's own vomit.

Alcohol poisioning can bring on vomiting, the most common way to die from alcohol I think is choking in your own vomit, not overdosing from the actual substance.

Nick

AnonoBoy

AnonoBoy wrote: »

More chance of dying from a stab wound. And it's still very blase to describe it as "being an arsehole".

It's still not a particularly high chance. And someone who slashes people is an arsehole, I could maybe call them other names, work myself up about it, maybe have a **** but that's just not how I roll.

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

I read somewhere that there is a 5 year mandatory sentence but some judges not giving it still.

I'd well believe that. Some sob stories about broken families or whatever no doubt.

We're too fúcking leniant in this country. Carrying a lethal weapon should be a clear cut case.

AnonoBoy

wallpaper12 wrote: »

I already said two seconds of my night is hardly going to ruin the whole thing, some people here are idiots.

I've got way better night out memories than you apparently.

I hope your life improves dramatically.

yoyo

yoyo wrote: »

He used to tell me at how "safe" these drugs were, and used them regularly enough. I don't know how many he had taken, but I'm sure he had enough. I don't know him that well but was chatting to him after the incident for a bit. Not a "scumbag" either.

One bad experience, sounds safe enough :pac: I know tonnes of people who did it more than regularly without any close calls.

Alcohol poisioning can bring on vomiting, the most common way to die from alcohol I think is choking in your own vomit, not overdosing from the actual substance.

Nick

Exactly, the choking on vomit is more common so it doesn't even take getting to the point of alcohol poisoning for most direct alcohol-related deaths.

AnonoBoy

Deleted User wrote: »

It's still not a particularly high chance.

That really depends where they're stabbed doesn't it?

I could maybe call them other names, work myself up about it, maybe have a **** but that's just not how I roll.

Wow, you don't **** about stabbings? How hip, alternative and unusual are you? :pac:

Brain Stroking

leggo wrote: »

I used to work in security at these events and we were grossly untrained and unprepared for the situations demanded of us. Security has been the dayjob for me since I was 18, so I actually had some training, but most people I worked with were lads looking for a handy few bob and got no training or preparation whatsoever. Just told to stand on a random gate, given no particular instructions, then shouted at for not knowing what they were doing.

I'd imagine that the promoters of these events (are we still not allowed say their names?) rake in the cash with the numbers going. So where's that money going? Is it lining their pockets instead of investing it in the safety of those involved? I get that they're running a business, but profit should not come before safety. If you can't provide the people with adequate safety, you shouldn't be allowed to run these events. But these companies are too big, by now, for an Irish government to make such demands.

Agreed but in commercial practice it is considerations like licensing laws and insurance implications that keep most companies engaging in these events in line

criticalcritic

The druggies on this thread trying to justify their purchasing of their coke and yokes is gas.

They dont want to be lumped in with the heroin zombies you see zonked out on Marlborough Street but your only one step away from them

MagicSean

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Yes but you are viewing this problem linearly when it one that is actually tied up in an unnecessary loop. Nobody wants to give their money to scumbags but that is the situation that legislation has created. In Prohibition America you would have been giving your money to scumbags as that is the only place alcohol could be purchased. An issue legislation created and then reversed by legalising alcohol. Same argument could be made for marijuana, ecstasy etc. Regulate the selling and purify the output and you reduce the risk of taking but, more importantly, you remove the criminal element. Hence the reason we all saw Head Shops burning. They were (at the time) legally cornering drug dealers out of the market.

You share the same opinion on this as my parents would (i'm 30 btw) but it is this attitude, while good-hearted, is ignorantly exacerbating the problem

This is a cop out. Recreational drugs are not a necessity being kept for you. You hand your money to criminals completely of your own free will in exchange for drugs. If you are unhappy with the law you can campaign for it to be changed or move to a jurisdiction which allows drugs. But don't try and relieve your guilty conscience by saying the government made you do it. You make the choice to use the drugs and to buy them from dealers. It's all on you.

PseudoFamous

PseudoFamous wrote: »

A few of my friends carry knives. One of them is in the army reserves, another is a scout leader. Neither of them regularly kill people.

:rolleyes:
Do they bring them to gigs?

Obviously, people like your mates have reason to carry knives and possibly have a licence to carry one at times?*

*Not sure if such a licence exists

AnonoBoy

AnonoBoy wrote: »

That really depends where they're stabbed doesn't it?

Running from person to person, unless you're grabbing them and slicing their necks, it's pretty unlikely. Given the numbers and how quickly they were released I don't think it's Jack The Ripper-type slashings that happened.

Wow, you don't **** about stabbings? How hip, alternative and unusual are you? :pac:

Almost enough to have gone to the gig ironically.

criticalcritic

criticalcritic wrote: »

The druggies on this thread trying to justify their purchasing of their coke and yokes is gas.

They dont want to be lumped in with the heroin zombies you see zonked out on Marlborough Street but there only one step away from them

http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1310480585093.jpg

LeftFull

Solution: Ban this generic, bass-heavy, synth-squealing, cheesy-vocal, hands-in-the-air-like-you-just-don't-care happy crappy fake house music from being made along with their pre-recorded ''DJ'' ''concerts'' and please god, natural selection will take care of the rest.

wallpaper12

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I've got way better night out memories than you apparently.

I hope your life improves dramatically.

ok so your having an unbelievable night out, having a great time with your friends listening and watching some fantastic music. You get kicked in the stomach and are slightly winded for a about 2 seconds and then you forget about it and thus this night automatically becomes the worst night out ever?

Hope my life improves dramatically? Why does my life need to improve? Im not going to run home crying in the middle of concert and start whinging about something so stupid.

Junoesque

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

They are essential in the process of preparing food for cooking, and subsequent eating of that food.

Its clear from this that there are some people who should be sentenced to a life time eating alone using fingers only. Tragic

amacca

Deleted User wrote: »

Funny thing is I would've thought it'd gone up in the last 5 years but in my own experience it doesn't seem to have. My dad has loads of war stories from 40-25 years ago that makes several towns come across like warzones.

funny, my dad has stories too..but none of them involved stabbings, hiv infected needles, unprovoked attacks etc

maybe he just lived a very sheltered life??????

LH Pathe

immersive wrote: »

Lumbo wrote: »

Yeah, his music's terrible.

Still making great underground music. He does the chart stuff for everybody for the bucks. The GUetta that produces most of the number ones these days is the not the real Guetta. But the real Guetta still exists. He does it all.....because he can.

ah.. see. the real guetta exists, somewhere.. underground. just he chooses to go public with embarrassing sell-out David. Where dem girls at?!

When scandinavian nurds up on a podium behind their apple logo are the new rockstars, making a fortune from a veritable prerecording of blips n bleeps it's no wonder the worlds awash with automated music; idiots.. digital air whoosing out of cones. Whooosh.. Can you literally feel it? hardly about the music now, is it.. speaker physics. how low can you go. Low as the sub-bass levels, undiminished. 5miles away.

Why us rave basically a metronome, micmicking a heartbeat? apart from permeating peoples heads with machinery from a great distance like it was downstairs.. it's to try stimulate em back to life.

amacca

tayto lover wrote: »

I read somewhere that there is a 5 year mandatory sentence but some judges not giving it still.

its not a mandatory sentence then is it?....gotta love either the justice system or judges failure to understand the word mandatory

Brain Stroking

MagicSean wrote: »

This is a cop out. Recreational drugs are not a necessity being kept for you. You hand your money to criminals completely of your own free will in exchange for drugs. If you are unhappy with the law you can campaign for it to be changed or move to a jurisdiction which allows drugs. But don't try and relieve your guilty conscience by saying the government made you do it. You make the choice to use the drugs and to buy them from dealers. It's all on you.

I didnt say its the government's fault. There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking recreational drugs in moderation and alcohol is included in that. Those regular people who wanted a drink in 1930s America did so (and there were millions and millions of them) but were they wrong to do so? No, because there was no proper reason to stop people drinking alcohol. And the only difference between alcohol and the likes of marijuana is that one is legal and the other isnt. An administrative/legislative decision that is not based on the effects of the drugs in question. If it was how could alcohol be legal considering the destruction it causes?
If drugs were legal the criminal element would be gone. By agreeing with the criminalisation of drugs you are 100% creating the illegal drug trade. That is all on you.
You arent going to stop people taking drugs. Prohibition does not work and this has been proven time and time again to be the case. It didnt stop Americans boozing during prohibition and it wont stop people now.

amacca

amacca wrote: »

funny, my dad has stories too..but none of them involved stabbings, hiv infected needles, unprovoked attacks etc

maybe he just lived a very sheltered life??????

Could be, my dad has stories of buses getting torched, plenty of unprovoked attacks etc. etc. I've heard a single story about a junkie threatening a mate with a needle and it's about 5 years since someone's started something with me on the street. I thought things would have gotten worse but back when I started going out there was a fight or two every night outside that I'd see, it's been happening less and less as far as I can see. Obviously perception is a funny thing.

AnonoBoy

Deleted User wrote: »

Running from person to person, unless you're grabbing them and slicing their necks, it's pretty unlikely. Given the numbers and how quickly they were released I don't think it's Jack The Ripper-type slashings that happened.

I'm talking about someone stabbing someone in the torso and hitting vital organs. I've seen people die from a single stab wound without any of your fancy 'neck slicings' that you're going on about.

wallpaper12 wrote: »

ok so your having an unbelievable night out, having a great time with your friends listening and watching some fantastic music. You get kicked in the stomach and are slightly winded for a about 2 seconds and then you forget about it and thus this night automatically becomes the worst night out ever?

I don't remember saying about the worst night ever. But being punched and kicked at random would definitely move the night well down below the night I was invited to a free bar, saw a great band and slept with a beautiful woman all without having any physical pain inflicted on me at all. Yup.

Hope my life improves dramatically? Why does my life need to improve?

Well your best night out ever involved getting smacked about by people. Hope your life picks up so you can have a great night some time without being someone's punching bag. Y'know - that'd be nice wouldn't it?

thebaz

i find it strange we can stamp out illegal parking by heavy handed clamping , and yet can not do something similar, to eradicate the rise of knife culture , which I find a much more disturbing part of our society

MagicSean

Brain Stroking wrote: »

I didnt say its the government's fault. There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking recreational drugs in moderation and alcohol is included in that. Those regular people who wanted a drink in 1930s America did so (and there were millions and millions of them) but were they wrong to do so? No, because there was no proper reason to stop people drinking alcohol. And the only difference between alcohol and the likes of marijuana is that one is legal and the other isnt. An administrative/legislative decision that is not based on the effects of the drugs in question. If it was how could alcohol be legal considering the destrction it causes?
If drugs were legal the criminal element would be gone. By agreeing with the criminalisation of drugs you are 100% creating the illegal drug trade. That is all on you.
You arent going to stop people taking drugs. Prohibition does not work and this has been proven time and time again to be the case. It didnt stop Americans boozing during prohibition and it wont stop people now.

Bull****. Alcohol is legal but the criminal element is still there. Cigarettes are legal but the criminal element is still there. DVDs are legal but the criminal element is still there. Cars are legal but the criminal element is still there. Wether prohibition is right or not is not relevent. The fact is you are freely handing money to people who hurt people to get you your drugs. Accept it and live with it.

AnonoBoy

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I'm talking about someone stabbing someone in the torso and hitting vital organs. I've seen people die from a single stab wound without any of your fancy 'neck slicings' that you're going on about.

There's few details about what happened at the gig but any other time someone's gone on a "rampage" it's been slashings rather than stabbings. Since they people were almost all released straighaway it sounds similar to the usual.

MagicSean

thebaz wrote: »

i find it strange we can stamp out illegal parking by heavy handed clamping , and yet can not do something similar, to eradicate the rise of knife culture , which I find a much more disturbing part of our society

It's easy to spot a badly parked car. To find a knife you generally have to invade someones privacy and search them.

yoyo

thebaz wrote: »

I think it is fair, at least a barman can (or should) watch over its customers it serves - supermarkets can afford to sell booze cheaply, and most people in the know will tell you , that much of the problem drink, sourced by problem drinkers is sourced at Supermarkets - meanwhile pubs throughout ireland are dying - yes I know many good citizens purchase the odd bottle of good value wine, and dont cause any problems, but for many the good value, isnt really good value in the long run , or for our society - just my views

It's not fair though. sure you can make the price of drink be so high so that only those that can afford it can drink, but that doesn't realistically solve the problem of alcoholism, we all know even some politicians and well paid people in this country may be alcoholics.
I do know of people who are alcoholics, and can afford to drink 15+ pints daily, and the barmen will happily oblige. They would be the first to criticise cheap booze or can and bottle drinking from the off license. Hypocracy at its finest. But then again the publicans "look after" their patrons, except friday and saterday nights, or even most nights after closing time seemingly! When most drink related anti social behavior occurs...

Nick

daenerysstormborn3

criticalcritic wrote: »

The druggies on this thread trying to justify their purchasing of their coke and yokes is gas.

They dont want to be lumped in with the heroin zombies you see zonked out on Marlborough Street but your only one step away from them

I think you're gas.

AnonoBoy

Deleted User wrote: »

There's few details about what happened at the gig but any other time someone's gone on a "rampage" it's been slashings rather than stabbings. Since they people were almost all released straighaway it sounds similar to the usual.

Except for the three guys who are still in hospital.

That's one third of them still in hospital.