Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

Dyr

CptSternn wrote: »

Is talking about MCD still forbidden on this site?

Sure is, yet this thread is 61 pages long

There's gotta be some red faced mods out there right now

R019912

Vinta81 wrote: »

As MCD in their statement the VAST majority of the crowd were fine, it was a very, very minor amount of people that caused hassle. It's awful what happened to those people but not everyone who went to the gig should be labelled in the same manor as the people who caused the trouble.

I'm far from a low life.

Yup same here. But it's easy for other people who weren't there to jump on the bandwagon and assume that those of us who went just to enjoy ourselves (and there were many) as scumbags like the select few fools that caused trouble.

Brain Stroking

R019912 wrote: »

Same here, the level of ignorance being shown by some people is pathetic. Basically just because SHM are a dance act, according to some people the only people who enjoy dance music are lowlife scumbags.

Agree with you to a certain extent. I too like dance music and know that there would have been thousands and thousands at the gig who were there to have a good time. However dance music seems to be the genre that gets the scumbag crowd. There are none of these issues at Leonard Cohen in Vicar Street (exaggerating to make a point).

sarabroderick

yeah but that was obviously after he got in?

What about posting a link to the new story about the nine stabbings and three people who died of drug overdoses?

This makes me laugh. I was at the gig and hundreds of people were drinking outside like lunatics. I saw people collapsed / fighting / pissing / puking for miles outside the gig. This idea that the very second they get inside the door with their ticket the promoter is wholly responsible is flipping typical in this country. Clearly something needs to change here but people need to be logical.

Like they are responsible for people taking drugs and deciding to go mental?

I was searched metal detector etc saw a guy punch someone in the pit and security removed him in a flash?

R019912

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Agree with you to a certain extent. I too like dance music and know that there would have been thousands and thousands at the gig who were there to have a good time. However dance music seems to be the genre that gets the scumbag crowd. There are none of these issues at Leonard Cohen in Vicar Street (exaggerating to make a point).

I'd agree with the point you're making - dance music does attract more people of a scumbag nature. It's just annoying when you see comments labelling basically everyone who went as "skobes/scumbags"

CptSternn

Heh, say what you want, but the music does play a part in this ordeal. You don't see this kind of behaviour at a Barry Manilow concert.

But seriously, Snoop Dog brings out the real scangers wearing track suits tucked into their socks. How did anyone NOT see this coming?

I'm not saying ban the music, that would be wrong, but be SMART like they are in America. You have to treat events like this with an army of security, run them through metal detectors, pat them down TWICE, and basically pretend it's a prison instead of a concert venue.

Go to a Snoop Dog concert in America and see how the security there is setup. They don't take chances and it feels a bit like you are entering a prison BUT that is the trade off for security. Events like this, or any 'gangsta rap' artists need to be locked down properly, else, there will be a body count. It's part of the culture. Hell, listen to the lyrics to the music and watch a few videos. They aren't selling drugs and shooting each other in America while listening to New Order.

Ash.J.Williams

batistuta9 wrote: »

the majority of this thread is BS from people who haven't the slightest idea or any experience of what their talking about, but think they know it all - pretty much like any thread in here that goes beyond a certain number of pages.

see below



bit of an exaggeration

i don;t think so...i doubt more than a few were carrying weapons?

criticalcritic

Im perplexed at all the comments that everything was fine at that concert

It was clear living beside the park and witnessing the sheer madness happening outside the gates and rough element gearing up for trouble
Something nasty was bound to happen

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

Sure is, yet this thread is 61 pages long

There's gotta be some red faced mods out there right now

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055578947

it hasnt been banned for a long time

sarabroderick

they need to stop / control the drinking, it is too much, the level of drinking was ****ing out of control. I mean like completely out of control.

I dont have a proposed comprehensive solution but if people cant control their drinking legislate

Laneyh

Vinta81 wrote: »

It's not a lack of sensitivity, I said earlier in this thread that I was at the gig, had a fantastic time but I just didn't see any of what was reported (obviously not saying it didn't happen, I just wasn't around any trouble). It was a pure shock to all of us to wake up yesterday and hear the news. Don't generalize, not everyone was off their heads and engaging in violence.

Yeah to be fair 45,000 people is a large volume of people so I'm sure lots of people didn't see any trouble
The stabbings are definitely out of the ordinary but people have died at Electric Picnic and other events before. People who were there would be shocked to learn this but I don't think it's insensitive for them to say they'd a good time at the gig
Assuming they are not saying the enjoyed it because of the violence

A woman died at a Britney Spears concert last year - no assumptions were made about her at the time nor was anyone berated for saying they enjoyed the gig.
It would still have been shocking to learn someone died at / outside the gig

Ash.J.Williams

CptSternn wrote: »

Heh, say what you want, but the music does play a part in this ordeal. You don't see this kind of behaviour at a Barry Manilow concert.

But seriously, Snoop Dog brings out the real scangers wearing track suits tucked into their socks. How did anyone NOT see this coming?

I'm not saying ban the music, that would be wrong, but be SMART like they are in America. You have to treat events like this with an army of security, run them through metal detectors, pat them down TWICE, and basically pretend it's a prison instead of a concert venue.

Go to a Snoop Dog concert in America and see how the security there is setup. They don't take chances and it feels a bit like you are entering a prison BUT that is the trade off for security. Events like this, or any 'gangsta rap' artists need to be locked down properly, else, there will be a body count. It's part of the culture. Hell, listen to the lyrics to the music and watch a few videos. They aren't selling drugs and shooting each other in America while listening to New Order.

ah go away....cannibal corpse have tunes about rape and pounding skulls in with hammers and their gigs are great crack

davet82

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/irishsun/irishsunnews/4418443/Horror-in-the-park.html

There were also unconfirmed reports that an off-duty garda was given a vicious beating after he was recognised by a brutal drugs gang.

If that turns out to be true ^^^, well what can you do with people that have no fear of police. You cant blame anything or anyone other the idividuals that did the stabbings/assaults ect.


I was outside the gig (got let down with tickets) and everyone coming and going were having a good time, I was talking to a few people leaving the gig early and saying the craic was better outside and i was lucky i didnt waste my money getting in

Savman

Vinta81 wrote: »

As MCD in their statement the VAST majority of the crowd were fine

If MCD say it, then it must be true.











What?

Lollipops23

Zascar wrote: »

Being off your face does not make you do something like this. Being a filthy scumbag does.

I completely agree, plenty of people use recreational drugs and have a few drinks at a gig and don't hurt anyone. This guy is a scummer and should be dealt with as such.

I was merely pointing out the lack of clear reasoning behind the attacks.

batistuta9

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i don;t think so...i doubt more than a few were carrying weapons?

the organised gang & they were probably/solely responsible bit i was on about

yeah obviously not everyone of them would've been carrying a knife & all the stabbing mightn't have been with knifes either, they report getting stuck with a bottle as a stabbing just usually so people most likely assume knife.

but the guy in court today is said to have done 3/4 of these, at random too, which is worse

Vinta81

Savman wrote: »

If MCD say it, then it must be true.











What?

:rolleyes:

Ash.J.Williams

batistuta9 wrote: »

the organised gang & they were probably/solely responsible bit i was on about

yeah obviously not everyone of them would've been carrying a knife & all the stabbing mightn't have been with knifes either, they report getting stuck with a bottle as a stabbing just usually so people most likely assume knife.

but the guy in court today is said to have done 3/4 of these, at random too, which is worse

What i meant by organised was the fact they went to the trouble of carrying weapons,..."wallet...check....ticket...check....blade..."

kabar

I live in the Ashtown area and things started to get ugly in the early afternoon well before the concert. Usual scenes: large groups of drunken teenagers harassing the people on the streets, a lot of verbal violence, trash everywhere. Two teenagers stole a couple of cases of beer from the local liquor store but the owner couldn't catch them. Not a single Garda around.
This is usually a very quiet area, it is a shame to see it being 'raped' by such scumbags.

Sleepy

The quick solution to this kind of thing is incredibly unpalatable: lots of cops, appropriately armed and with the mandate to use as much force as they deem necessary in the situation they're facing.

i.e. let the cops beat seven shades of ****e out of any scumbags they see causing trouble.

Unfortunately in our attempts to create/maintain a civil society we've created a system of law that only really works for those who respect it.

Feel sorry for Michael D.
Must have been tossing and turning all night, either that or off his face raving at the window.

Monty Burnz

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I completely agree, plenty of people use recreational drugs and have a few drinks at a gig and don't hurt anyone. This guy is a scummer and should be dealt with as such.

I was merely pointing out the lack of clear reasoning behind the attacks.

But every time you take (some) drugs, there's a chance you're going to do something that doesn't make a lot of logical sense. Like stab people.

O'Doodle

I'm not against having concerts in the park because in London they can manage events like Hard Rock Calling and just yesterday the Wireless festival in Hyde Park. But in Dublin, a concert in the park turns into an absolute knacker fest.

In my opinion if other cities and countries can host similar concerts (with similar acts) without stabbing and deaths then in my opinion MCD and the authorities are completely at fault for not ensuring public safety at this concert.

I'd love to know how many police officers were tasked to this concert, I'd love to know how many marshals and contract security were employed at this concert and then compare to similar concerts (Wireless festival, Hard Rock Calling, T in the Park etc).

giggle84

I was there on Saturday and had a great day, despite the mild sense of shame at being from Dublin and surrounded by knackers all day. People were openly doing drugs all over the place, security was tight outside the gates but once inside was practically non-existant.. from the time I got inside at about 4pm to the time I left at 9.30pm (didn't fancy facing the crush to get out later) I saw a grand total of TWO Gardai!!! Also saw two seperate fights between girls while queuing for the toilets, that was really classy, not to mention the orange bum cheeks everywhere. But maybe, at 27, I was just too old to be there.

I didn't hear any of the horror stories until yesterday and I am disgusted and mortified that people around the world and at home will read about this and think that this is all the youth of Ireland has to offer.. drunken, drugged-up, anti-social behaviour and stabbing people for the craic.

Forcible sterilisation anyone?

sureitsgrand

If we find out that the guy who did all these stabbings is from "a leafy south Dublin suburb" I'd say this thread will probably break the internet.

Bruce7

It's strange that football matches bring just as many of these people out as concerts, and confine them in similar sized spaces, but they pride themselves on their behaviour at matches - the best fans in the world, etc.

Is it something to do with the music that brings out the worst in them?

cournioni

sureitsgrand wrote: »

If we find out that the guy who did all these stabbings is from "a leafy south Dublin suburb" I'd say this thread will probably break the internet.

I believe the accused is from Clondalkin, so no. :pac:

Bruce7

Bruce7 wrote: »

Is it something to do with the music that brings out the worst in them?

Yes, hidden frequencies, that older generation cannot hear.
boom, boom, boom, tshhhh, boooom, booom, tishhhhhhh

Monty Burnz

sureitsgrand wrote: »

If we find out that the guy who did all these stabbings is from "a leafy south Dublin suburb" I'd say this thread will probably break the internet.

I think that the drugs probably had a lot to do with the stabbings: even if he was the ultimate scobe, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to go on a stabbing rampage at a concert.

Intensive Care Bear

Bruce7 wrote: »

It's strange that football matches bring just as many of these people out as concerts, and confine them in similar sized spaces, but they pride themselves on their behaviour at matches - the best fans in the world, etc.

Is it something to do with the music that brings out the worst in them?

Yeah its the music, if you listen to some of them beats backwards they give instructions on how to stab people.

cournioni

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I think that the drugs probably had a lot to do with the stabbings: even if he was the ultimate scobe, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to go on a stabbing rampage at a concert.

Right, so why did he bring a knife with him if it wasn't premeditated?

davet82

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I think that the drugs probably had a lot to do with the stabbings: even if he was the ultimate scobe, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to go on a stabbing rampage at a concert.

i dont blame drugs or drink, i'd say half the people at the concert had taken something illegal (from weed to xtc) and they dont turn into derranged scumbags stabbing people. I'm pretty sure when the identity of the guy is exposed, i bet he has previous for assault or carrying a weapon. No excuses imo

People keeping saying that this type of music attracts "scum" but as much as I hate the genre I think it's the fact that this was an outside gig that attracted them. Thinking back over the two AC/DC concerts a few years back I was struck by the contrast in the crowds.

The O2 crowd was made up of fans and people there for the music, as such there were no fights and very few people falling all over themselves drukenly and trying to start trouble. A couple of months later and the crowd at the outdoor gig was much different, there were drunken idiots everywhere and I saw a number of fights. A lot of the audience seemed to be there solely to get as drunk as possible, they certainly didn't seem to be there for the music.

Monty Burnz

cournioni wrote: »

Right, so why did he bring a knife with him if it wasn't premeditated?

I bring my credit card to the shops every day but rarely use it.

BunShopVoyeur

sureitsgrand wrote: »

If we find out that the guy who did all these stabbings is from "a leafy south Dublin suburb" I'd say this thread will probably break the internet.

Clondalkin apparently.

*whoops, too late*

Naid23

Laneyh wrote: »

A woman died at a Britney Spears concert last year - no assumptions were made about her at the time nor was anyone berated for saying they enjoyed the gig.
It would still have been shocking to learn someone died at / outside the gig

She got thrown from an amusement ride. Not really in the same class as this really.

ShelTomato

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I think that the drugs probably had a lot to do with the stabbings: even if he was the ultimate scobe, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to go on a stabbing rampage at a concert.

It's far more likely it was just the drink. Alcohol seems to promote the worst behaviour from what I've witnessed over the years.

RTE reports that the man who died after being taken ill at the concert has been identified (but not named), he was from Clonsilla in Dublin, very sad indeed

Lollipops23

giggle84 wrote: »

Also saw two seperate fights between girls while queuing for the toilets, that was really classy, not to mention the orange bum cheeks everywhere. But maybe, at 27, I was just too old to be there.

Same yesterday for Florence/Snow Patrol- we went to the loo between the acts and there was NO stewarding of the poraloo area- normally there are barriers and queues etc, but this was a free for all. Luckily we got talking to various other women in the line during the 40mins it took us to get to the toilets and whenever random knackers tried to cut in line they were brought up short by the 20 or so of us. We prob had a bit of mob mentality going on, but it worked.

Nailz

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I bring my credit card to the shops every day but rarely use it.

Do you bring a knife with you too?

cournioni

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I bring my credit card to the shops every day but rarely use it.

Yes, but you don't get searched for your credit card on the way to the shops with the possibility of being prosecuted for it.

Monty Burnz

Nailz wrote: »

Do you bring a knife with you too?

Nope, but I don't habitually carry a knife. I do habitually carry a credit card.

Some scummers habitually carry knives.

Tusky

Deleted User wrote: »

People keeping saying that this type of music attracts "scum" but as much as I hate the genre I think it's the fact that this was an outside gig that attracted them. Thinking back over the two AC/DC concerts a few years back I was struck by the contrast in the crowds.

The O2 crowd was made up of fans and people there for the music, as such there were no fights and very few people falling all over themselves drukenly and trying to start trouble. A couple of months later and the crowd at the outdoor gig was much different, there were drunken idiots everywhere and I saw a number of fights. A lot of the audience seemed to be there solely to get as drunk as possible, they certainly didn't seem to be there for the music.

Your argument is flawed though because the crowds at the gigs yesterday and on Friday were fine and there was no trouble.

Commercial dance and commercial hip-hop have extremely questionable elements to their fanbases. Combine the two - Swedish House Mafia and Snoop Dog - and you have a recipe for disaster. I took one look at the lineup when it was announced and knew there would be trouble.

The problem was not the fact that the gig was outdoors,and equally drink and drugs are not to be blamed. The scummy individuals who went there purely to cause trouble are the ones at fault. One guy was randomly stabbed in the back while enjoying the gig - that's just thuggery and blaming drink, drugs or anything else is just silly.

davet82

ShelTomato wrote: »

RTE reports that the man who died after being taken ill at the concert has been identified (but not named), he was from Clonsilla in Dublin, very sad indeed

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/irishsun/irishsunnews/4418416/Shane-left-after-gig-hours-later-hes-dead.html

Shane Brophy (21) from Laois, he was staying with a friend in west dublin

Laneyh

1210m5g wrote: »

I have spent the last 12 years attending dance music events in Ireland, the UK and other parts of Europe and in my opinion nowhere else attracts as many scumbags as the Irish events, i'd love to know why its so different.

I lived in England for 6 years and went to a variety of events over that time
Firstly, you just wouldn't see real chavs at any of the events I presume because they couldn't afford the tickets. Also the security is pretty tight so they'd have no opportunity to go mental.
The people that go ape here should not really be considered music fans as the music is just background noise for them. It is obvious that they'll go to a rap or dance act over a rock or pop gig but their motivation is different to ours - they're going there to get wrecked and cause havoc.
I suppose a UK equivalent might be football hooligans - this isn't as bad as in their hayday but the police don't take any chances.(mounted police outside some of the cheap pubs near the football stadiums)

I've been to see Tiesto in London and there were police at the nearest tube station with sniffer dogs. There was a thorough security check at the gig gates - bags checked, people frisked, more police with sniffer dogs circulating the queue
People still managed to get in with drugs or had consumed them in advance but there was zero trouble.. The first hint of it and they'd have been thrown out.

I went to see Tiesto here in the 02 and there was a noticeably rougher crowd, probably lots of normal people too but people barging through the crowd being a bit aggressive. I saw one guy peeing on a pile of jackets I don't think he knew where he was

I'm not actually a Tiesto fan but my English friends are but they were pretty surprised by the difference in crowd / atmosphere between Dublin and London

Skangers here seem to have the money to go to these things, the security at the 02 would be fairly good but I think once you get in unless you do something outrageous you won't get thrown out.
I also think one of the main differences is that in Europe and England if people are taking drugs they'll drink water , people here still drink alcohol so it's a different effect altogether.

I don't think there is a solution to the troublemakers other than tightening security to the extent that the events will be in unappealing to them
You can't stop people acting like idiots.

Whilst you don't see this element at festivals / concerts there were definitely London clubs particularly urban clubs in the suburbs that were quite scary where stabbings and shootings have occurred . So I suppose my very long winded answer is that if scumbags have the opportunity to cause trouble they will take it

ShelTomato

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Nope, but I don't habitually carry a knife. I do habitually carry a credit card.

Some scummers habitually carry knives.

Not just scummers. My bf told me he used to carry a knife and I flipped, and he is not a "scummer" he was someone who was hopped on a lot by scummers with knives, people carry them for protection from people that carry them to stab people and it all escalates into a stabathon. Should be a mandatory jail sentence just to be found carrying a knife, no excuses.

Vanderbilt

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I bring my credit card to the shops every day but rarely use it.

Often respect your posts, but no merit in being facetious.

coolhandluke

Sleepy wrote: »

The quick solution to this kind of thing is incredibly unpalatable: lots of cops, appropriately armed and with the mandate to use as much force as they deem necessary in the situation they're facing.

i.e. let the cops beat seven shades of ****e out of any scumbags they see causing trouble.

Unfortunately in our attempts to create/maintain a civil society we've created a system of law that only really works for those who respect it.

That is about the size of it unfortunately, any guard who gives a fella a smack of a baton these days is a fool, because the likely outcome is the loss of his job.
Fill out the forms, process the prisoner and release him, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.
The scumbags know the score, when enough pressure comes on politicans from the public, things will change just like the gloves were taken off when veronica guerin was shot.

My own personal opinion is that a certain breed of skanger only understand one thing, and it is not neatly joined handwriting on forms.

But people must understand, if you want to make an omlette you have to break a few eggs, ruari going mad in templebar on saturday night is no different to anto going mental after a tray of cider, but at the moment people only want "tough" policing for anto, how dare they arrest little ruari sure he was just a little under the weather.

Nailz

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Nope, but I don't habitually carry a knife. I do habitually carry a credit card.

Some scummers habitually carry knives.

Then why did you compare it to a fecking knife? You're right there, though, scummers do habitually carry knives, and scumbags carry those knives for scumbag reasons. It has nothing to do with drugs and everything to do with them being total knackers.

ShelTomato

davet82 wrote: »

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/irishsun/irishsunnews/4418416/Shane-left-after-gig-hours-later-hes-dead.html

Shane Brophy (21) from Laois, he was staying with a friend in west dublin

Different guy, one was taken to hospital by the stewards and died there, was only identified this morning. 3 lads dead from drugs at one concert? WTF Ireland...

Monty Burnz

Vanderbilt wrote: »

Often respect your posts, but no merit in being facetious.

That was a serious post. The point is that, because it depends on whether he habitually carries a knife, you can't state definitively whether his possession of a knife indicates that the stabbings were premeditated.