Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

Cheeky_gal

The amount of boardsies in After Hours that justify taking illegal drugs is mind boggling. You have no case! And that's not a matter of opinion.

Richard Hillman

Deleted User wrote: »

People keeping saying that this type of music attracts "scum" but as much as I hate the genre I think it's the fact that this was an outside gig that attracted them. Thinking back over the two AC/DC concerts a few years back I was struck by the contrast in the crowds.

The O2 crowd was made up of fans and people there for the music, as such there were no fights and very few people falling all over themselves drukenly and trying to start trouble. A couple of months later and the crowd at the outdoor gig was much different, there were drunken idiots everywhere and I saw a number of fights. A lot of the audience seemed to be there solely to get as drunk as possible, they certainly didn't seem to be there for the music.

Was there myself along with 80,000 others. I didnt see a person say an aggresive word to anybody. There were thousands of people sitting in the field outside drinking for hours before the gig and not a peep from anybody. Even the ridiculous queues for the busses after the gig were civilised. Even if you go to a massive festival like Download, you would rarely see trouble from a crowd of 120,000. Its definitely the type of clientele.

And to think the likes of AC/DC and heavy metal in general was tagged as a rough crowd for years :pac:

Tusky

Tusky wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

People keeping saying that this type of music attracts "scum" but as much as I hate the genre I think it's the fact that this was an outside gig that attracted them. Thinking back over the two AC/DC concerts a few years back I was struck by the contrast in the crowds.

The O2 crowd was made up of fans and people there for the music, as such there were no fights and very few people falling all over themselves drukenly and trying to start trouble. A couple of months later and the crowd at the outdoor gig was much different, there were drunken idiots everywhere and I saw a number of fights. A lot of the audience seemed to be there solely to get as drunk as possible, they certainly didn't seem to be there for the music.

Your argument is flawed though because the crowds at the gigs yesterday and on Friday were fine and there was no trouble.

Commercial dance and commercial hip-hop have extremely questionable elements to their fanbases. Combine the two - Swedish House Mafia and Snoop Dog - and you have a recipe for disaster. The problem was not the fact that the gig was outdoor, drink and drugs is not the blame - the scummy individuals who went there purely to cause trouble are the ones at fault. One guy was randomly stabbed in the back while enjoying the gig - that's just thuggery and blaming drink, drugs or anything else is just silly.

I wasn't blaming drink or drugs but rather the less than savoury element that many out door gigs seem to attract. While the other gigs were largely trouble free, friends of mine at both saw fights and a lot of drunken idiots throughout the two days.

At the end of the day there are two elements to blame for all the trouble, the scum who brought weapons to a gig and went out of their way to cause trouble and the organisers. I hope the famines of those affected by the stabbings sue the hell out of them but I fear that this will just be another scandal they weasel their way out of.

Defiler Of The Coffin

According to joe.ie:

Six people were robbed of their tickets at knifepoint outside the Phoenix Park before the show

What factors combined to give us this scum-fest? Time of year, location, line-up, people with too much money for alcohol?

davet82

Monty Burnz wrote: »

That was a serious post. The point is that, because it depends on whether he habitually carries a knife, you can't state definitively whether his possession of a knife indicates that the stabbings were premeditated.

its that sort of bollix talk that has scumbags back out on the streets after a few months instead of a few years!

nobody needs to carry a knife to a fcuking music festival! :mad:

AnonoBoy

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

The amount of boardsies in After Hours that justify taking illegal drugs is mind boggling. You have no case! And that's not a matter of opinion.

Ha! Ha! Yes it is.

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

People keeping saying that this type of music attracts "scum" but as much as I hate the genre I think it's the fact that this was an outside gig that attracted them. Thinking back over the two AC/DC concerts a few years back I was struck by the contrast in the crowds.

The O2 crowd was made up of fans and people there for the music, as such there were no fights and very few people falling all over themselves drukenly and trying to start trouble. A couple of months later and the crowd at the outdoor gig was much different, there were drunken idiots everywhere and I saw a number of fights. A lot of the audience seemed to be there solely to get as drunk as possible, they certainly didn't seem to be there for the music.

Was there myself along with 80,000 others. I didnt see a person say an aggresive word to anybody. There were thousands of people sitting in the field outside drinking for hours before the gig and not a peep from anybody. Even the ridiculous queues for the busses after the gig were civilised. Even if you go to a massive festival like Download, you would rarely see trouble from a crowd of 120,000. Its definitely the type of clientele.

And to think the likes of AC/DC and heavy metal in general was tagged as a rough crowd for years :pac:

It was only a tiny element causing trouble but there were a lot of less than savoury individuals there simply to get as drunk as possible. They weren't there for the music, whereas the O2 gig was made up of fans there to hear a band they loved.

Defiler Of The Coffin

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

The amount of boardsies in After Hours that justify taking illegal drugs is mind boggling. You have no case!

When a drug is unjustly illegal it can of course be justified.

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

And that's not a matter of opinion.

Of course it's a matter of opinion.

I Heart Internet

Someone charged with a stabbing incident at the concert:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0709/man-charged-with-concert-stabbings-due-in-court.html


I'm just going to leave this here (I have no idea if these people are related):

http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/roadrage-driver-smashed-barrier-2403675.html

Cheeky_gal

It's a bit sad that some people need to take drugs to have a good time

And contributing to the sale of illegal drugs is a crime. If that's a matter of opinion then Lol

christmas2012

Raymond donnan from Clondalkin Dublin.

davet82

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Time of year, location, people with too much money for alcohol?

too little money for alcohol maybe?

you could either line up for 20 mins and buy a plastic glass of heiniken for 5 euro a pop

or

you buy a cheap bottle of vodka for 10 euro and down it before you go in...

by the looks of the state of everyone before hand they chose the latter

rKossi

Raymond donnan seems like such a nice guy

sydthebeat

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I'm just going to leave this here (I have no idea if these people are related):

http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/roadrage-driver-smashed-barrier-2403675.html

sums up in one neat little article what is wrong with our country.... scumbags allowed to clock up numerous convictions and STILL get probation...

how many times prior to this did he get "probation" i wonder????

its ****ing sickening

Sleepy

Difference between Irish scumbags and UK scumbags?

We give ours €188 a week. They give theirs a maximum of £65.45

AnonoBoy

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

It's a bit sad that some people need to take drugs to have a good time

Ever had a drink to enjoy yourself a bit more?

And contributing to the sale of illegal drugs is a crime. If that's a matter of opinion then Lol

How about growing your own weed? Who's that hurt?

I Heart Internet

Sleepy wrote: »

Difference between Irish scumbags and UK scumbags?

We give ours €188 a week. They give theirs a maximum of £65.45

True - and this has nothing to do with decent families or single people falling on hard-times and trying to better themselves. It has everything with giving unparented, undereducated, uncivilised wasters plenty of money to live at home and drink and smoke themselves into an even deeper realm of wasterville.

Pighead

AnonoBoy wrote: »

How about growing your own weed? Who's that hurt?

Drug dealers.

dlofnep

I had never heard of this group before this, and I used to go to listen to all kinds of music. Few friends posted about it on facebook, and I thought there was a Swedish mafia living in Waterford going around stabbing people. How the **** did a no-name group get so many people there?

VEN

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

The amount of boardsies in After Hours that justify taking illegal drugs is mind boggling. You have no case! And that's not a matter of opinion.

it was the drink with the coke, was just drink, no it wasn't, it does that to ya, coke doesn't do that, have ya ever tried it? it was the E not the weed, was it? i doubt it was, it was the drink. poly drugs i reckon, what ya sayin? have ya ever tried it? it doesn't do that to ya spa. how do you know? ive taken poppers with cider, it does that to ya. i know cos i'm hard.

Logical Fallacy

Sleepy wrote: »

Difference between Irish scumbags and UK scumbags?

We give ours €188 a week. They give theirs a maximum of £65.45

*yawns*

christmas2012

dont turn this into a dole bashing thread,just because some scumbags abuse it,doesnt mean it should be cut for the rest of us..

if they are found to be abusing it,just cut it on an individual basis not as a whole..

AnonoBoy

Sleepy wrote: »

Difference between Irish scumbags and UK scumbags?

We give ours €188 a week. They give theirs a maximum of £65.45

I have developed a scumbag test that if you fail you get less money from the dole. This is of course easy to implement.

I offered it to the government for half a million but the fools turned me down.

BunShopVoyeur

christmas2012 wrote: »

Raymond donnan from Clondalkin Dublin.

Hopefully he's put in a cell with a big hairy rapist.

The vermin.

AnonoBoy

dlofnep wrote: »

How the **** did a no-name group get so many people there?

Face it dude..... you're getting old!!!! :pac::pac::pac:

Defiler Of The Coffin

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

It's a bit sad that some people need to take drugs to have a good time

People have been taking mood-altering substances for 1000s of years. Nothing wrong with it when done responsibly.

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

And contributing to the sale of illegal drugs is a crime. If that's a matter of opinion then Lol

LOL indeed. It must so nice having such a simplistic view of the world. Governments are always right.

He has history.
22 previous convictions.

christmas2012

see thats the thing past convictions nothing done about it,they should get heavier sentences..zero tolerance

thefly

PseudoFamous wrote: »

You've missed my point a bit. There is no murder in dealing weed in Ireland. There aren't a load of big gangs mass producing and selling, monopolising, it is mostly a few lads growing it themselves. It isn't being imported, it's not like the US and Mexico.

Cocaine is a different story, as it is certainly not produced in Ireland. I don't know about Ecstasy, haven't a breeze where that's produced.

Man, I'm a smoker myself but I have to say, you are talking through your Swiss!!! The marajuanna trade is monopolised over here. It's under control of a Chinese gang. There is a Polish gang too but the Chinese are running the show. What's worse, they are bringing over young Chinese students with the promise of work and study only for them to be forced to look after the grow farms.

Sorry man, but you are way off the mark on this one.

http://www.herald.ie/news/chinese-girls-brought-in-as-slave-workers-to-grow-drugs-2129887.html

giggle84

dlofnep wrote: »

I had never heard of this group before this, and I used to go to listen to all kinds of music. Few friends posted about it on facebook, and I thought there was a Swedish mafia living in Waterford going around stabbing people. How the **** did a no-name group get so many people there?

They're actually really good. If you heard a couple of their songs you'd realise you do know them, they've collaborated with some other big artists and you've probably heard them on the radio.

humanji

People, no linking to people's personal information.

Zulu

Yea see? No books! People need to be reading.

christmas2012

on his fb page it says everybody feels like mike tyson after a couple of drinks..i mean ffs

gcgirl

giggle84 wrote: »

dlofnep wrote: »

I had never heard of this group before this, and I used to go to listen to all kinds of music. Few friends posted about it on facebook, and I thought there was a Swedish mafia living in Waterford going around stabbing people. How the **** did a no-name group get so many people there?

They're actually really good. If you heard a couple of their songs you'd realise you do know them, they've collaborated with some other big artists and you've probably heard them on the radio.

My 6 yr old is mad into SHM I would of loved to bring her to see them but the knackfest put me off

SEPT 23 1989

christmas2012 wrote: »

see thats the thing past convictions nothing done about it,they should get heavier sentences..zero tolerance

Chickens coming home to roost for this society

it will only get much worse

christmas2012

christmas2012 wrote: »

on his fb page it says everybody feels like mike tyson after a couple of drinks..i mean ffs

I think he meant Dahmer.

BunShopVoyeur

Zulu wrote: »

Yea see? No books! People need to be reading.

"Bukz R 4 faggitz bud"

gcgirl

christmas2012 wrote: »

on his fb page it says everybody feels like mike tyson after a couple of drinks..i mean ffs

Sounds like an insecure föök

Monty Burnz

davet82 wrote: »

Monty Burnz wrote: »

That was a serious post. The point is that, because it depends on whether he habitually carries a knife, you can't state definitively whether his possession of a knife indicates that the stabbings were premeditated.

its that sort of bollix talk that has scumbags back out on the streets after a few months instead of a few years!

nobody needs to carry a knife to a fcuking music festival! :mad:

How in the name of Christ could anyone interpret my post as a suggestion that someone should bring a knife to a concert?

giggle84

gcgirl wrote: »

My 6 yr old is mad into SHM I would of loved to bring her to see them but the knackfest put me off

Good thing you didn't waste your money, I assure you you would have turned back at Heuston Station!

MrPain

dlofnep wrote: »

I had never heard of this group before this, and I used to go to listen to all kinds of music. Few friends posted about it on facebook, and I thought there was a Swedish mafia living in Waterford going around stabbing people. How the **** did a no-name group get so many people there?

Sound logic: I havnt heard of them, therefore they are a no name.

Oh almighty musical guru your ideas interest me and I would like to subscribe to your news letter.

o1s1n

gcgirl wrote: »

My 6 yr old is mad into SHM I would of loved to bring her to see them but the knackfest put me off

She's only 6, it's not too late!

I'd start blasting her with classical music about now. She'll probably end up hating it, but it might ingrain some sort of appreciation of decent music on a subconscious level. :pac:

Cheeky_gal

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Ever had a drink to enjoy yourself a bit more?

Yes of course I do from time to time.

But do I drink to excess? No
Is it illegal to buy alcohol? No
Am I contributing to crime? No
Does it change the way I behave? No, because I know my limit. (I tend to only have one or two glasses of wine anyways)

Now substitute alcohol for drugs and ask yourself those questions. The answers will be yes

It's gas the way you can even argue this, almost every murder case in Ireland is drug related and you can be sure that this lad was off his face too. And please don't give me the lame excuse "because he combined alcohol with the drugs!" it's nonsense

Brain Stroking

Monty Burnz wrote: »

But every time you take (some) drugs, there's a chance you're going to do something that doesn't make a lot of logical sense. Like stab people.

Such a silly statement. I guess you are in favour of banning alcohol then?

Laneyh

I was in town the night of one of the Westlife gigs and there were lots of drunk women peeing not very discreetly down alleyways, walking in front of traffic on to the LUAS line and generally making a nuisance / danger of themselves.

I was in town the night Deadmau5 was playing in the RDS saw some fairly young people acting the maggot ,knacker drinking and randomly shouting at passers by - this was before the gig I've no doubt they were a horror show at the gig and a mess afterwards

I remember Jessie J was freaked out by the state of people at the Trinity ball

I've been to many a gig and festival where there are people who can barely stand going into the event - firstly this is a massive waste as there's zero chance they'll remember much of the gig but it seems to be something we're more prone to or acceptant of here

A lot of people set out with the intention of doing the dog on it. When those people are unsavoury types unfortunately they do things that impact on others.

Tighter security and tougher policing are the only preventive measures I can think of. Certain types of people are more prevalent at certain events but it's not fair to label everyone going as scumbags.

They are like this every chance they get, just think what happens on Paddy's day and Halloween. They are a law unto themselves.

I'm not a fan of any of the acts that played on Saturday but banning certain acts from playing or labelling fans as scum seems pretty shortsighted.

It's mortifying and depressing that that is the image of Ireland that many people will have now but scumbags are scumbags on a daily basis. Until they see consequences for their actions I'm afraid the best we can hope for is their exclusion from events we're likely to be at.

In relation to the drug deaths I just think its terribly sad. I'm not going to pass any judgement on the young people involved and feel very sorry for their family and friends.

Monty Burnz

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Monty Burnz wrote: »

But every time you take (some) drugs, there's a chance you're going to do something that doesn't make a lot of logical sense. Like stab people.

Such a silly statement. I guess you are in favour of banning alcohol then?

Such a silly post. Did I suggest banning any other drugs?

gcgirl

giggle84 wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

My 6 yr old is mad into SHM I would of loved to bring her to see them but the knackfest put me off

Good thing you didn't waste your money, I assure you you would have turned back at Heuston Station!

The walk up I'd say was teenagers either passing out or pukefest On the pavement and completely unsure of where they were at, nothing changes

skeleton_boy

What! No Joe??

Ah Joe, what a cop out.

criticalcritic

SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA statement on concert

http://www.thejournal.ie/swedish-house-mafia-make-statement-following-phoenix-park-incidents-514724-Jul2012/

Abit arrogant and cowardly if you ask me

They could have at least gave condolences to injured and dead not lick MCDs a*se