Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

Cuddlesworth

Zascar wrote: »

Any news on what drugs the 3 people who overdosed were doing? It's not often you hear of someone overdosing on pills.

It was a warm day, the gig was outdoors and the Irish love to drink booze. Severe dehydration was on the cards for a large number of morons, so I wouldn't say it was the pills themselves.

Merch

Marcin_diy wrote: »

Let kids behave like they do this now and in 10 or 20 years we will have 3rd world gangs on the streets. Soon we will get a bullet just for looking at kids and teenagers. I think child protection policy is too strong. every adult verbally or physically abused by kid should by law have right to kick that youth ass. Kids if not stopped when they are kids when they grow up will behave like that idiot with knife yesterday

I agree, The fact that this can be hushed up, its true though, when you let people get away with this stuff then it can only get worse, and as people have suggested MCD can put pressure to keep this quiet, thats sickening.
The powers that be need to ensure the Gardai carry out their job, not that Im blaming the gardai on the ground, I dont think the will exists above that to ensure there is proper law and order applied.
I'm not sure about people having the right to kick the **** out of kids, but when someone does something wrong there needs to be consequences, if its a first offence, depending on how serious then maybe a warning, if you're stupid enough to do 2, then 3 and you're out. I know in the people said thats crazy in the US as someone could get a long prison term for som ething that is apparently an insignificant crime, but if its repeat offence after repeat offence, fluck it.

As for the last line,We have parents defending kids, that become scumbag parents, defending scumbag kids, gardai that are unwilling or unable to carry out the job unless it affects those in power and a system that can do or wants to do nothing about it? I'd say its doesnt care/wants to do nothing, if the prisons are full, then how much does a barbed wire fence in a field cost? if they think they will be living in tents in the rain instead of prison cells maybe they will think twice about it, the thing is they aren';t even being put in prison cells, never gets that far.

We need to look further afield and see how law and order is kept and how these people are dealt with, its not good enough that people that are a danger to good people in society are allowed to walk the streets,

christmas2012

I hope they get heavy sentences for this,when i was younger there was nothing of the sort like this going on,the worst we witnessed was some guy out of his tree,lying in the mud half naked with plastic coke cups put on his hands and feet..

andy g

So, the stereotyping has began.

General Relativity

criticalcritic wrote: »

There should be outright ban on any events being held in the Phoenix Park again

Absolute bollix tbh.

I was at The Stone Roses on Thursday; zero stabbings, zero deaths, little to no trouble, few sick and a bit of liter. (to be expected)

I'd wager a large amount of money that there will be; zero stabbings, zero deaths, little to no trouble, few sick and a bit of liter. (to be expected) At Florence & the machine tonight.

One bad crowd shouldn't ruin it for everyone.

Tombi!

Merch wrote: »

I agree, The fact that this can be hushed up, its true though, when you let people get away with this stuff then it can only get worse, and as people have suggested MCD can put pressure to keep this quiet, thats sickening.
The powers that be need to ensure the Gardai carry out their job, not that Im blaming the gardai on the ground, I dont think the will exists above that to ensure there is proper law and order applied.
I'm not sure about people having the right to kick the **** out of kids, but when someone does something wrong there needs to be consequences, if its a first offence, depending on how serious then maybe a warning, if you're stupid enough to do 2, then 3 and you're out. I know in the people said thats crazy in the US as someone could get a long prison term for som ething that is apparently an insignificant crime, but if its repeat offence after repeat offence, fluck it.

As for the last line,We have parents defending kids, that become scumbag parents, defending scumbag kids, gardai that are unwilling or unable to carry out the job unless it affects those in power and a system that can do or wants to do nothing about it? I'd say its doesnt care/wants to do nothing, if the prisons are full, then how much does a barbed wire fence in a field cost? if they think they will be living in tents in the rain instead of prison cells maybe they will think twice about it, the thing is they aren';t even being put in prison cells, never gets that far.

We need to look further afield and see how law and order is kept and how these people are dealt with, its not good enough that people that are a danger to good people in society are allowed to walk the streets,

As lovely as that was here's the problem: The Gardaí can't do much. They're still held by the law. When they (the knackers) realize it's perfectly fine to smash someone's skull in and then get released, they do it again, get released and continue.
The gardaí can put them in cuffs but it's the law that lets them go back out. Changing the law is a big deal. And we're in the age of "Damo didn't do it" and can't punish the kids properly. So when you realize there aren't much punihsments for punching someone in the face because you're from a poor area, why not repeat it for the laugh?

madma

General Relativity wrote: »

Absolute bollix tbh.

I was at The Stone Roses on Thursday; zero stabbings, zero deaths, little to no trouble, few sick and bit of liter. (to be expected)

I'd wager a large amount of money that there will be; zero stabbings, zero deaths, little to no trouble, few sick and bit of liter. (to be expected) At Florence & the machine tonight.

One bad crowd shouldn't ruin it for everyone.

agreed.

swedish house mafia will always attract scum in this country. and the likes of snoop dog etc do aswel. been to gigs all over europe and the only trouble seems to be here and the Uk

Collie D

Hard to get inside the head of somene who brings a weapon to a gig (or anywhere for that matter). If you have a knife and get in a fight and use it the charge should be attempted murder as you've obviously had a premeditated idea of doing somebody serious damage.

I don't agree with the line "this type of music attracts scumbags". Was on a bus yesterday with about 30/40 people aged between 16-22 yesterday obviously going to gig. All in high spirits and a bit loud but there's no harm in that. Was chatting to a couple of lads at bus stop and they seemed like decent young fellas barring their obviously sh*te taste in music and dodgy pink wellies. I'm sure the vast majority were in the same boat.

If we were to cull people just because they listen to awful music then the Snow Patrol gig would be hit by an earthquake tonight

Tombi!

Collie D wrote: »

Hard to get inside the head of somene who brings a weapon to a gig (or anywhere for that matter). If you have a knife and get in a fight and use it the charge should be attempted murder as you've obviously had a premeditated idea of doing somebody serious damage.

People are saying they used broken bottles (which is a bit better) instead of bringing a knife to kill.

Though I'm not sure what the Gardaí said.

pragmatic1

1210m5g wrote: »

This wont be popular but MDMA should be encouraged at these events instead of drink, get everyone on a love buzz.

I remember being at a Gods Kitchen rave in Dublin years ago. The amount of scum around was unreal but didn't see one fight the entire night.

christmas2012

So, the stereotyping has began.

Its not stereotyping its fact,in the 00's/90's did you ever hear of stabbings taking place at concerts?Im sure when the full story comes out,they will have found they had been out of their mind on substances that you wouldnt have had so easily got in the 90's/00's as it was all E's then,but now its head shop gear and crack(drugs has always been there,but its getting worse for stuff that you wouldnt even hear of,and ive done a study on poly drug use,and its on the increase in ireland,ie kids blind drunk and stoned,getting aggressive)..Im not saying oh its the youth of today etc,im saying its the drugs of today,its totally different now..

Profiler

Collie D wrote: »

If we were to cull people just because they listen to awful music then the Snow Patrol gig would be hit by an earthquake tonight

Don't bringing Letrim fracking into this... this is not a Dub -V- Country thing

cuz it's all shell's fault and we know it

montyrebel

just my opinion but lets face it this sort of concert only had 1 outcome, surprised its so few

dodderangler

can anyone say that they are surprised
I knew it'd be like that one of the main reasons for not going
Is the gig tonight still going ahead then

miju

madma wrote: »

its like hearing about a disaster where the numbers get higher throughout the day

the number will probably hit 20 by tonight.

still wont be right

and in fairness to the Gardai they were in present last night in serious numbers

steddyeddy

andy g wrote: »

So, the stereotyping has began.

Its not stereotyping. The term scumbag can be applied to all socio economic classes.

Real Life

christmas2012 wrote: »

Its not stereotyping its fact,in the 00's/90's did you ever hear of stabbings taking place at concerts?Im sure when the full story comes out,they will have found they had been out of their mind on substances that you wouldnt have had so easily got in the 90's/00's as it was all E's then,but now its head shop gear and crack(drugs has always been there,but its getting worse for stuff that you wouldnt even hear of,and ive done a study on poly drug use,and its on the increase in ireland,ie kids blind drunk and stoned,getting aggressive)..Im not saying oh its the youth of today etc,im saying its the drugs of today,its totally different now..

kids arent getting aggressive cos theyre stoned. like i was saying earlier drugs are getting the blame for what alcohol is doing.

mikom

Hold on, hold on................ I was promised no more drug overdoses once prohibition came in...

christmas2012 wrote: »

stoned,getting aggressive)

Huh?

christmas2012 wrote: »

ive done a study on poly drug use

I'd revise my notes if I were you.

Dunny

dodderangler wrote: »

can anyone say that they are surprised
I knew it'd be like that one of the main reasons for not going
Is the gig tonight still going ahead then

You could have told the rest of us like!!

steddyeddy

Real Life wrote: »

kids arent getting aggressive cos theyre stoned. like i was saying earlier drugs are getting the blame for what alcohol is doing.

Im all for legalising cannabis but I really think some of the smokers overlook the effects it can have on some people.

Real Life

steddyeddy wrote: »

Im all for legalising cannabis but I really think some of the smokers overlook the effects it can have on some people.

yes i agree with this but it doesnt make anyone aggressive. it can have bad effects psychologically if abused for long periods but ive never seen someone stoned and aggressive.

If the apparent overdoses did happen then why are no warnings or information being released?

B.A._Baracus

Why would anyone go to that gig?

Just look at the surface..... Big dance music concert. In the phoenix park. Guranteed scumbags will be present. Drugs and alcohol also will be present.

token101

christmas2012 wrote: »

I hope they get heavy sentences for this,when i was younger there was nothing of the sort like this going on,the worst we witnessed was some guy out of his tree,lying in the mud half naked with plastic coke cups put on his hands and feet..

Yeah, of course not. Depending on what generation you grew up in, This, this and this all happened back in 'the good ol' days' and there's countless other examples. It's not a new problem. So please stop this 'It's the young people of today' horsesh*t.

Collie D

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Drugs and alcohol also will be present.

I think you'll find that at a lot of gigs.

token101

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Why would anyone go to that gig?

Just look at the surface..... Big dance music concert. In the phoenix park. Guranteed scumbags will be present. Drugs and alcohol also will be present.

I'd almost guarantee this was the draw for 90% of the people that went. Why should they be put off by the rest? There's probably thugs hanging around outside your local supermarket aswell, but you still have to go shopping.

ArmaniJeanss

Deleted User wrote: »

If the apparent overdoses did happen then why are no warnings or information being released?

Apparently because concert promoters MCD have put pressure on the guards, hospitals, media (including all international media outlets) to hush it up because theres no Oxygen festival this year and they need the money. Sounds highly plausible.

LaVail

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Why would anyone go to that gig?

Just look at the surface..... Big dance music concert. In the phoenix park. Guranteed scumbags will be present. Drugs and alcohol also will be present.

But there are drugs and alcohol present in your local pub, does that mean you shouldn't go there either

Personally I have seen a huge amount of people on drink and drugs in my time but they didn't cause trouble like last night.

It takes a "special" type of idiot/scumbag to stab someone whether drink/drugs is involved or not.

Fupping Grasshole

minidazzler wrote: »

You realise we aren't a war-going country don't you?

and look where its got us

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I think he meant drop them in a jungle with a bayonet and see what one lasts the longest. Winner gets to come back to Ireland.

We're onto a winner for a new reality show.

Lumbo wrote: »

Jungle music???????? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yeah whatever Pops.

:mad:

kevmol88

token101 wrote: »

Yeah, of course not. Depending on what generation you grew up in, This, this and this all happened back in 'the good ol' days' and there's countless other examples. It's not a new problem. So please stop this 'It's the young people of today' horsesh*t.

Slane 1984

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/07/10/arts/town-clears-wreckage-of-bob-dylan-rioters.html

MagicSean

mikom wrote: »

Hold on, hold on................ I was promised no more drug overdoses once prohibition came in...





Huh?

I'd revise my notes if I were you.

Please, I would love to hear your reasoning on how drug prohibition caused three guys to take too much drugs.

Varied

I'm heading to Florence tonight and the only thing worrying me is the mud, no way will there be even half the element there was last night.

mikom

MagicSean wrote: »

Please, I would love to hear your reasoning on how drug prohibition caused three guys to take too much drugs.

*removes others words from mouth*

criticalcritic

http://www.thejournal.ie/phoenix-park-three-males-dead-swedish-house-mafia-overdose-513781-Jul2012/

Thats 3 confirmed dead and Ill bet theres more to come


MCD have alot of explaining to do

This has diaster written all over it

And it seems drugs was biggest killer second to stabbings

jack presley

There have been a few posts saying MCD and DCC are trying to hush the media etc. it should be noted that DCC have no jurisdiction over the park. That's the OPW's responsibility.

leonidas83

Dance music concerts in Ireland -> scummy druggie knacker types

Dont see this problem at any of these type of concerts on the continent, if anything they seemed quite chilled out and fun.

Turns me off going to any decent dance acts in Ireland tbh

Oranage2

Was anybody expecting anything else?



SHM is out of your face music which appeal to our tracksuit clad, pill popping knife wielding inner city folk and their suburban cousins.

At least with Oxygen it kept the scum confined for 3 days to reek havoc onto themselves. Not having a sleep over and releasing thousands of people into our city centre with our poor transport system and our shortage of garda/ambulances was surely a recipe for disaster.

The Dublin City council workers who organised this should be sacked and probably should charged with having blood on their hands!

Logical Fallacy

leonidas83 wrote: »

Dance music concerts in Ireland -> scummy druggie knacker types

Dont see this problem at any of these type of concerts on the continent, if anything they seemed quite chilled out and fun.

Turns me off going to any decent dance acts in Ireland tbh

Absolutely wrong in my experience. I've been heavily involved in the electronic scene in Ireland for years. I've been to gigs all over this country and have never seen a violent incident.

It's all about the gigs you go to, much like anything else, certain acts etc will attract a certain element.

It's pointless to tar an entire and varied scene with one brush.

token101

kevmol88 wrote: »

Slane 1984

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/07/10/arts/town-clears-wreckage-of-bob-dylan-rioters.html

Exactly, it's got nothing to do with young people or today's generation or the music. I've not read the whole thread, but I'm sure there's some gob****e here just to say it's the fault of trance/dance music. People take drugs/alcohol and do stupid things or even die. That's their responsibility as an individual, not the collective responsibility of music genres or young people. It wouldn't surprise me to see some similarly moronic, backward, parish pump councilor/TD/Seanad member to come and say how bad young people are becoming and how live music should be banned and Jesus will save us.

B.A._Baracus

token101 wrote: »

I'd almost guarantee this was the draw for 90% of the people that went. Why should they be put off by the rest? There's probably thugs hanging around outside your local supermarket aswell, but you still have to go shopping.

I understand what you mean and while I do agree....

But what I mean is.... well here is an example. Lets take avoiding a kip of a pub. You know scumbags will be there. Fights or s*it happening is likely. I would avoid that pub and go somewhere else.

I worked a good few gigs with Sword Security and maybe thats just put me off gigs. People off their face drunk or high. People just looking to have fights. The amount of girls I've seen just trip over themselves. Scumbag shapers. The whole thing is just off-putting.

Thats why for me, looking at the concert on the surface. Why the hell go you know.

Sunnyisland

I know what joe duffy be on about tomorrow It was all the rain joe i swear it

mikom

token101 wrote: »

Exactly, it's got nothing to do with young people or today's generation or the music. I've not read the whole thread, but I'm sure there's some gob****e here just to say it's the fault of trance/dance music. People take drugs/alcohol and do stupid things or even die. That's their responsibility as an individual, not the collective responsibility of music genres or young people. It wouldn't surprise me to see some similarly moronic, backward, parish pump councilor/TD/Seanad member to come and say how bad young people are becoming and how live music should be banned and Jesus will save us.

Wasn't it ever thus........

I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint. --- Hesiod, Eighth Century B.C.

Varied

leonidas83 wrote: »

Dance music concerts in Ireland -> scummy druggie knacker types

Dont see this problem at any of these type of concerts on the continent, if anything they seemed quite chilled out and fun.

Turns me off going to any decent dance acts in Ireland tbh

It only seems to be the acts in the charts that attract these knobs though.

I've gone to plenty of techno, house etc gigs and you never see this happening. It only seems to happen when there's the likes of deadmau5, rhianna and all those knacker magnet music purveyors.

Bluefoam

Reports of nine stabbed now. Also they believe there was more than one person responsible...

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/nine-stabbed-at-swedish-house-mafia-concert-in-phoenix-park-3161699.html

token101

Oranage2 wrote: »

Was anybody expecting anything else?

SHM is out of your face music which appeal to our tracksuit clad, pill popping knife wielding inner city folk and their suburban cousins.

Stereotyping's class! Next you'll be telling us that all internet users are virgins with bad acne.

Oranage2 wrote: »

The Dublin City council workers who organised this should be sacked and probably should charged with having blood on their hands!

There's no words for how stupid this is.

kegzmc

I suppose on a positive note there won't be gigs in there anymore.

Hope no one died though

Real Life

Varied wrote: »

It only seems to be the acts in the charts that attract these knobs though.

I've gone to plenty of techno, house etc gigs and you never see this happening. It only seems to happen when there's the likes of deadmau5, rhianna and all those knacker magnet music purveyors.

exactly, this is what i was saying earlier. seth troxler played dublin on friday, i didnt hear of any trouble, hes voted the number 2 dj in the world by resident advisor but i bet most of these shm fans wont have even heard of him.

ArmaniJeanss

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Apparently because concert promoters MCD have put pressure on the guards, hospitals, media (including all international media outlets) to hush it up because theres no Oxygen festival this year and they need the money. Sounds highly plausible.

Well it's been reported in the media. When it's dodgy junk killing people they put the alert out pretty quickly.

B.A._Baracus

kegzmc wrote: »

I suppose on a positive note there won't be gigs in there anymore.

Hope no one died though

1 did sadly.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0708/stabbing-phoenix-park-concert.html

Meanwhile, gardaí are also appealing for information on the identity of a man who was at the concert but died in Connolly Hospital last night.

doesnt say he was stabbed tho.

kegzmc

Any announcements yet about the 4 that died from drug overdose?