Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

Collie D

Higher wrote: »

MCD are always notoriously understaffed in security when it comes to big events.

**** all 'heavy hitters' (the big, usually eastern european lads who you see running to every fight at gigs) around yesterday. Sorry but control was lost yesterday and once again it was down to a poor lack of planning.

I mean come on, the acts were always going to attract a mainly young, working class crowd. Considering it is an all-day event and the amount of drink that would have been consumed it was pretty easy to predict this would happen.

What has being working class got to do with anything?

Varied

Higher wrote: »

lol rockers are pansies

Haha I'd love to see you in a pit at a Slayer concert, then see how many pansies there are.:D

slave2thewage

Higher wrote: »

lol rockers are pansies

Monty Burnz

realies wrote: »

True as I heard the FG/lab party where meeting in Farmleigh

Yeah, cos those guys are to blame for the economic mess, not FFailure... :rolleyes:

General Relativity

Higher wrote: »

lol rockers are pansies

Mick Jagger has done more drugs then everyone at the gig last night put together.

Oranage2

Higher wrote: »

lol rockers are pansies

Rockers are some of the nicest concert goers, Was at oxygen at RATM and I fell to the ground in the mosh pit, when I looked up a good few people gathered around in a protective circle and helped me up and made sure I was alright.

If that happened last night I reckon I would have been trampled and/or stabbed and my phone & wallet nicked.

Solair

It's amazing how this contrasts with the Stone Roses gig a few nights earlier. The atmosphere was really pleasant!

This kind of thing could even cause some acts to think twice about coming here at all. It also tends to put people off going to what should be an enjoyable event and could totally undermine the Irish summer music scene entirely.

I was at the stone roses and the security seemed en par with any gigs I've been to in the UK or elsewhere. I'd assume this event was similar.

It's a sad reflection on the emerging generation if they're going to have to be policed like 1980s football hooligans at gigs.

I mean, this kind of stuff could mean needing Gardai with tazers being needed to patrol a gig.

Perhaps one solution would be to require people to have an ID registered at such events. So at least that way they could weed out and blacklist trouble makers.

Tricky to do without an ID card, but im sure law could be brought in to allow promoters to collect a list of names, addresses and DOBs to be passed to Gardai to be run against a database of public order convictions. Anyone flagged gets their tickets cancelled and refunded.

Hate that kind of big brother stuff, but I'm not sure how else you can keep trouble makers with violent histories out of events like this.

At the very least,anyone convicted of an offence at a gig or festival should face a court ordered ban from attending such events for say 10 years. If found at an event again, they face jail time.

Dyr

Higher wrote: »

lol rockers are pansies

Pretty much, wasn't like that in the glorious thrash era though.

Weepsie

No fan of SHM and expected trouble at this to be honest, but expected it would be a handful.

Unexpected good weather, loads of alcohol, general thuggery blended to this but the biggest reason is that the trouble makers are probably just s*its anyway.

There was rampant drug use at body and soul, and a fair bit at forbidden fruit but nothing along these lines in terms of trouble. Obviously there were substantially fewer people, but still it says a lot about the difference in crowds.

Im still scratching my head how SHM are that popular though it's third rate dance music at best and gives other if the genre a bad name.

They need more police, and allow them to be more militant and perhaps some extra trained security who can help with policing. I've been abroad for events and there is zero tolerance. Half the people would be turned away at the gate in some festivals in Europe if they were that pissed.


People also had to go into work the day after stone roses. That would have helped keep it fairly laid back.

Monty Burnz

Solair wrote: »

It's a sad reflection on the emerging generation if they're going to have to be policed like 1980s football hooligans at gigs.

It's not the 'emerging generation', it's the usual underclass skangers responsible for 90% of the trouble.

Higher

Higher wrote: »

MCD are always notoriously understaffed in security when it comes to big events.

**** all 'heavy hitters' (the big, usually eastern european lads who you see running to every fight at gigs) around yesterday. Sorry but control was lost yesterday and once again it was down to a poor lack of planning.

Not to be the ultra-PC bastard or anything but generally it's weedy Irish lads starting something they can't finish in my experience.

Oranage2 wrote: »

Rockers are some of the nicest concert goers, Was at oxygen at RATM and I fell to the ground in the mosh pit, when I looked up a good few people gathered around in a protective circle and helped me up and made sure I was alright.

If that happened last night I reckon I would have been trampled and/or stabbed and my phone & wallet nicked.

Ah the comradery of the pit.

Nodin

...I think boards should get sponsorship from the Evening Herald for this kind of thread.

daithiobeag

This was bound to happen - Phoenix park impossible to police. Only policing was for the traffic - I walked in Park earlier in the evening real real sense of menace with plenty of obnoxious totally out-of-it kids everywhere. Very few coppers. The place is now like a tip and battle of the Somme site - It will be for a long time. OPW will have to be made stop these concerts. Madness they are not what the park is about. Incidentally any money doesnt do back into the park at all but the exchequer. If money is the object let the promoters pay for venues security and cleanup in a closed site. Its one thing Bloom which has a vaguely green health theme but this yearly invasion is of no benefit to anyone.
Not sure if OPW is up to the job.

Mayo_Boy

Cowboys Ted.... a bunch of Cowboys!

Nodin

daithiobeag wrote: »

This was bound to happen - Phoenix park impossible to police. Only policing was for the traffic - I walked in Park earlier in the evening real real sense of menace with plenty of obnoxious totally out-of-it kids everywhere. Very few coppers. The place is now like a tip and battle of the Somme site -...............

Good man. Thats raised the rhetorical bar for the rest of them.

demakinz

Meanwhile, gardaí are also appealing for information on the identity of a man who was at the concert but died in Connolly Hospital last night.

The man, who was in his early 20s, sought medical attention at the concert, before being taken to hospital

This is a shocking story. RIP the poor people that died.

cocoshovel

Higher wrote: »

lol rockers are pansies

X genre I dont like are pansers. You must be a 16 year old.

mikom

Quote:
Originally Posted by daithiobeag View Post
This was bound to happen - Phoenix park impossible to police. Only policing was for the traffic - I walked in Park earlier in the evening real real sense of menace with plenty of obnoxious totally out-of-it kids everywhere. Very few coppers. The place is now like a tip and battle of the Somme site -...............

Nodin wrote: »

Good man. Thats raised the rhetorical bar for the rest of them.

Poppies sprouting up from a thousand dropped E's ground into the soil.

mikom

mikom wrote: »

Poppies sprouting up from a thousand dropped E's ground into the soil.

Double conflation, nice. :pac:

Lumbo

daithiobeag wrote: »

This was bound to happen - Phoenix park impossible to police. Only policing was for the traffic - I walked in Park earlier in the evening real real sense of menace with plenty of obnoxious totally out-of-it kids everywhere. Very few coppers. The place is now like a tip and battle of the Somme site - It will be for a long time. OPW will have to be made stop these concerts. Madness they are not what the park is about. Incidentally any money doesnt do back into the park at all but the exchequer. If money is the object let the promoters pay for venues security and cleanup in a closed site. Its one thing Bloom which has a vaguely green health theme but this yearly invasion is of no benefit to anyone.
Not sure if OPW is up to the job.

Have you any of those hash tablets doing the rounds?

Nodin

mikom wrote: »

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Poppies sprouting up from a thousand dropped E's ground into the soil.

Don't say that, or therell be real killins in the rush to get there.

We need a poll to see what this event is worse than as well - The Famine, World War II, Cromwell, The Mongol Hordes in Persia.......

eviltwin

Oranage2 wrote: »

Rockers are some of the nicest concert goers, Was at oxygen at RATM and I fell to the ground in the mosh pit, when I looked up a good few people gathered around in a protective circle and helped me up and made sure I was alright.

If that happened last night I reckon I would have been trampled and/or stabbed and my phone & wallet nicked.

I've been to many a metal / rock gig in my time, some with very rough activity in the mosh pits and the fans have always been incredible.

I did however notice a certain element at the Rammstein gig who acted the goat during the support act, jumping around and just being a pain in the hole to the people around them. I hope this is not becoming a sign of the times for gigs in the future.

LH Pathe

Some amount of attempted slayings. And one e casualty who is on today snow patrol? eesh.. scangers yesterday; Samaritans today. No harm predicted

Collie D

LH Pathe wrote: »

Some amount of attempted slayings. And one e casualty who is on today snow patrol? eesh.. scangers yesterday; Samaritans today. No harm predicted

It's probably worth the admission fee alone tonight to see the look of bewilderment on the faces of the Snore Patrol fans when they're looking for their assigned seats or the covered area.

charlemont

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's not the 'emerging generation', it's the usual underclass skangers responsible for 90% of the trouble.

Problem is they have multiplied and each generation of them gets worse, Scumbags doing that at a concert.

lightspeed

My theory is that the ridiculous system in place that allows and caters for many young people to survive comfortably on social welfare means they just hang around in groups of like minded knackers from an early age. Ive spoke on this site before about the need for the death penalty to be brought in. I know few would probably agree with me but its retarded to ignore the current facts.
There are people out on bail with over 80 convictions and yet they continue to commit murder, violent and sexual crimes and that attitude is thats just how it is.

If u live in country where people can achieve so many convictions without being put in prison for life is it logical to expect violent crimes to rise or decline???

Do we really have to debate which is the most likely outcome?

hatrickpatrick

People on Boards telling it like it is.
MCD lawsuit in 5, 4, 3...............

Tombi!

Actually, what is MCD?

lightspeed

lightspeed wrote: »

My theory is that the ridiculous system in place that allows and caters for many young people to survive comfortably on social welfare means they just hang around in groups of like minded knackers from an early age. Ive spoke on this site before about the need for the death penalty to be brought in. I know few would probably agree with me but its retarded to ignore the current facts.
There are people out on bail with over 80 convictions and yet they continue to commit murder, violent and sexual crimes and that attitude is thats just how it is.

If u live in country where people can achieve so many convictions without being put in prison for life is it logical to expect violent crimes to rise or decline???

Do we really have to debate which is the most likely outcome?

Yet the murder rate is lower than ever.

BunShopVoyeur

lightspeed wrote: »

My theory is that the ridiculous system in place that allows and caters for many young people to survive comfortably on social welfare means they just hang around in groups of like minded knackers from an early age. Ive spoke on this site before about the need for the death penalty to be brought in. I know few would probably agree with me but its retarded to ignore the current facts.
There are people out on bail with over 80 convictions and yet they continue to commit murder, violent and sexual crimes and that attitude is thats just how it is.

If u live in country where people can achieve so many convictions without being put in prison for life is it logical to expect violent crimes to rise or decline???

Do we really have to debate which is the most likely outcome?

I agree with you.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

People do know that alcohol is a drug, don't they??

If you look at any credible statistics you'll actually find that its the worst drug of all

Brutal Deluxe

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Actually, what is MCD?

A low-quality fast food restaurant.

Nodin

lightspeed wrote: »

My theory is that the ridiculous system in place that allows and caters for many young people to survive comfortably on social welfare means ................?

O jesus god no........

Lumbo

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Actually, what is MCD?

It's an evil money making machine.

christmas2012

RMD wrote: »

If you think the "youth of today" are regularly using Crack you really have no sense of what is going on. I'm 20, know plenty of lads who've smoked weed / hash, taken pills and 1-2 who've snorted coke but never have I heard of someone taking crack. In all honesty I don't even know where I could find it, the other 3 mentioned I could have in an hour with little problem.

crack use in ireland is higher than it used to be,so is heroin use,so is poly drug use,ie using many different types of drugs,and so is using drugs and drink together,there was studies done on it you can find it on drugs.ie or anywhere to do with drugs and ireland,just google it,and lots of stuff will appear..i also heard that head shop drugs are more widely available illegally on the street since the head shops closed down..real concern as these drugs are not the classical love drug MDMA eg extasy,they are far more lethal and can make you agressive like mixing cocaine and alcohol can..

Nodin

christmas2012 wrote: »

crack use in ireland is higher than it used to be,so is heroin use,so is poly drug use,ie using many different types of drugs,and so is using drugs and drink together,there was studies done on it you can find it on drugs.ie or anywhere to do with drugs and ireland,just google it,and lots of stuff will appear..i also heard that head shop drugs are more widely available illegally on the street since the head shops closed down..real concern as these drugs are not the classical love drug MDMA eg extasy,they are far more lethal and can make you agressive like mixing cocaine and alcohol can..

wtf?

mikom

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Actually, what is MCD?

Murder Caused by Drugs

christmas2012

its true look it up..

Tombi!

I regret asking my question on AH.

I assume it was MCD Productions and they organized the gig?

LH Pathe

Swedish (babes?)

House (music..)

Mafia (scangbang)

stupid name like that alone woulda brought every skobe n his crew to teh yard. Nevermind Tinee Tempah n his grimey element, this was always a disco for the tweenyboppers

withless

Hezekiah Steep Slavery wrote: »

People do know that alcohol is a drug, don't they??

If you look at any credible statistics you'll actually find that its the worst drug of all

To the plain people of Ireland it is not a drug because it is legal.

Collie D

lightspeed wrote: »

My theory is that the ridiculous system in place that allows and caters for many young people to survive comfortably on social welfare means they just hang around in groups of like minded knackers from an early age. Ive spoke on this site before about the need for the death penalty to be brought in. I know few would probably agree with me but its retarded to ignore the current facts.
There are people out on bail with over 80 convictions and yet they continue to commit murder, violent and sexual crimes and that attitude is thats just how it is.

If u live in country where people can achieve so many convictions without being put in prison for life is it logical to expect violent crimes to rise or decline???

Do we really have to debate which is the most likely outcome?

I had started to reply and then I saw this bit. You're right. No point in debating such garbage.

mikom wrote: »

Murder Caused by Drugs

Clever lad, very good

christmas2012

in fairness did anybody hear of stabbings at concerts in the early 00's or late 90's even..?

funkhouser

It's amazing so many people who weren't there are so absolutely certain about so much to do with the concert and the people who attended it. If you're that prejudiced don't bother posting or engaging with anyone on the subject because you know it all already! One poster even blamed the "working class". :rolleyes:

Call Liveline tomorrow to decry how terrible it all is.

"That's OK....your tears say more than real evidence ever could".

hatrickpatrick

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I regret asking my question on AH.

I assume it was MCD Productions and they organized the gig?

Yeah my joke was in pretty poor taste. Without going to any troublesome details, similar incidents happened at Oxegen a few years back, people naturally discussed it on Boards and MCD went into full litigation mode and forced a gag on Boards of any MCD discussion, including discussion of any of their gigs, any of the venues they sponsor, etc. It was insane. As I recall, they actually managed to perpetuate this situation for almost three years up until some time in 2009. The word "Oxegen" was a banned word on the entire site because of it, and the site was threatened with being sued for an absolutely insane amount of money in "damages".

I'm sorry, but if you can't handle legitimate criticism then instead of suing people you should try to improve your business model. I have absolutely no time for gag orders etc, and I'm genuinely serious when I say it wouldn't surprise me at all if the knives come out (no pun intended) very quickly in the event of serious discussion of events occurring on Boards. :mad:

Lumbo

funkhouser wrote: »

It's amazing so many people who weren't there are so absolutely certain about so much to do with the concert and the people who attended it. If you're that prejudiced don't bother posting or engaging with anyone on the subject because you know it all already! One poster even blamed the "working class". :rolleyes:

Call Liveline tomorrow to decry how terrible it all is.

"That's OK....your tears say more than real evidence ever could".

You realise that a lot of people called what was going to happen when the line up was announced. This is not an isolated incident.

Solair

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's not the 'emerging generation', it's the usual underclass skangers responsible for 90% of the trouble.

Strange though, that it was never an issue even a few years ago. Yeah you got drugs, drunks, idiots etc at gigs but, never came across stabbings!!

This is a new low.

There's definitely a large emerging and tolerated thuggish element wrecking stuff like this for everyone else.

It was a minority of out of control thugs that destroyed English soccer for a generation too.

VEN

Melion wrote: »

People blaming weed and pills for any fights last night make me laugh. Smoke weed and you wont be able to fight. Take pills and you'll be too loved up to want to fight.

and take cocaine you'll be?

eviltwin

funkhouser wrote: »

It's amazing so many people who weren't there are so absolutely certain about so much to do with the concert and the people who attended it. If you're that prejudiced don't bother posting or engaging with anyone on the subject because you know it all already! One poster even blamed the "working class". :rolleyes:

Call Liveline tomorrow to decry how terrible it all is.

"That's OK....your tears say more than real evidence ever could".

Well I have had the misfortune of driving on the Navan Road every night this week after kicking out time. Not a single problem with any of the gigs so far and I don't expect any tonight either.

However last night when it was a case of dodge the traffic cone the scumbags were throwing at cars, glasses and bottles being thrown at cars from the Halfway House and I saw one young man taking a dump on the roundabout.

Not a guard in sight either.

christmas2012

it should be discussed it happened at a concert,teens and kid and relatives of loved ones attend these events,if there is a safety issue with the concert and the people tanked up on drugs and drink allowed in then its a problem.i remember going to concerts years ago and nothing like that went on,no stabbings or fights or anything like that people popped es ,smoked a joint and were happy out,not like now its all head shop gear,cocaine and drink and getting aggressive..