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All is not well in Tuam

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    #122
    LFC Murphy
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭LFC Murphy


    So why shop in his store?

    The message will be heard alot quicker if money is at stake..


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    #123
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    LFC Murphy wrote: »
    So why shop in his store?
    It is still a local business that employs a lot of local people. It also sells a lot of Irish products. Surely no one actually wants to see the place closed?

    I just think this is such a mess. Tuam now has had a fairly large amenity that did at least somewhat serve the town closed down, if the town can't find money from somewhere to dig it up and replant it again it will go derelict.


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    #124
    Shakti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Shakti


    If it does it will be the of fault O'Toole and his cronies and nobody else's


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    #125
    serfboard
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    Tuam now has had a fairly large amenity that did at least somewhat serve the town closed down, if the town can't find money from somewhere to dig it up and replant it again it will go derelict.
    So illegal behaviour should be tolerated?


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    #126
    LFC Murphy
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭LFC Murphy


    ScumLord wrote: »
    It is still a local business that employs a lot of local people. It also sells a lot of Irish products. Surely no one actually wants to see the place closed?

    I just think this is such a mess. Tuam now has had a fairly large amenity that did at least somewhat serve the town closed down, if the town can't find money from somewhere to dig it up and replant it again it will go derelict.


    Agree regarding jobs etc, but why should the town have to foot the bill to rectify someone's mess....


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    #127
    galwayspur
    Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭galwayspur


    Really bad form to print the names of the objectors on a big 'business as usual' sign at the front door.


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    #128
    LFC Murphy
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭LFC Murphy


    Sure thet'll have RGDATA coming out next :D


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    #129
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    serfboard wrote: »
    So illegal behaviour should be tolerated?
    Obviously that was my point. :rolleyes:
    LFC Murphy wrote: »
    Agree regarding jobs etc, but why should the town have to foot the bill to rectify someone's mess....
    What if he can legally find a way of saying he can't afford to pay? They might be able to get some money out of him but he may not be able to cover the entire cost. Although nobodies said what they want to put in there.

    At the end of the day this should be a lesson to Tuam, well, for all us small towns. The people of the town had a chance to do something about this before it happened. They watched it happen and waited until it was too late to do something about it. As we can see now, the town had the ability to do something about it all along when they pulled together.

    It's our own procrastination that allows these people to get away with whatever they want, I'm just as guilty and these kind of issues have been a big wake up call (we have our own in my town). Hopefully Tuam will keep the group that made this turn around very active and on the look out for any potential disasters in the town.


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    #130
    bagels
    Registered Users Posts: 630 ✭✭✭bagels


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Although nobodies said what they want to put in there.
    Incorrect. More than 2,500 members of the Facebook group Restore Our Palace Road want the Palace Road restored as close as possible to its former glory.
    ScumLord wrote: »
    The people of the town had a chance to do something about this before it happened.
    Incorrect. Statutory procedures were not adhered to and the plan was shrouded in secrecy, thereby enabling the 'stroke' to be pulled under the radar.
    ScumLord wrote: »
    They watched it happen and waited until it was too late to do something about it.
    We watched it happen alright, conned into believing something entirely different was being constructed. We weren't aware we needed to do something about it until the project neared completion and then we realised we'd been conned. We immediately organised and began to oppose the'stroke'.
    ScumLord wrote: »
    As we can see now, the town had the ability to do something about it all along when they pulled together.
    We succeeded despite the fact that some Town Cllrs, many County Cllrs and big shots in County Buildings opposed us all the way. Its the function of these people to serve us, not fight us. So much for pulling together.
    ScumLord wrote: »
    It's our own procrastination that allows these people to get away with whatever they want, I'm just as guilty and these kind of issues have been a big wake up call (we have our own in my town).
    Its been a huge wake up call to the whole town. Its only now we realise how badly we've been shafted down through the years. Procrastination will result in this country being taken over by the elites and we've only ourselves to blame if that happens.
    ScumLord wrote: »
    Hopefully Tuam will keep the group that made this turn around very active and on the look out for any potential disasters in the town.
    Several groups and individuals are now very active in Tuam. Residents are on guard against further attempts to destroy Tuam.

    I encourage everybody to get involved in the running of their communities, before they've no communities left.


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    #131
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    bagels wrote: »
    Incorrect. More than 2,500 members of the Facebook group Restore Our Palace Road want the Palace Road restored as close as possible to its former glory.
    A road isn't going to fill that entire space though. Do you just want a road surrounded by the rubble of a ripped up car park?


    We watched it happen alright, conned into believing something entirely different was being constructed.
    Workers on that project made complaints to the Tuam herald during the construction about what was happening in there, in particular the felling of ancient trees. They were completely ignored. But it seemed everyone had bought into the idea that what would replace those trees would be more important.


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    #132
    Shakti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Shakti


    ScumLord wrote: »
    the felling of ancient trees

    They were beautiful, the shame of it


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    #133
    loveBBhate
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 645 ✭✭✭loveBBhate


    I used to jog the park and my usual routine was to sit down by the bench nearest the big tree near the bridge. I would then kiss the tree and jog on and finish my run. I do miss it :(


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    #134
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    A right mess. Will the relief road have to close too? Wasn't it part if the deal?


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    #135
    Some12
    Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭Some12


    Cut and paste from Galway Bay FM website

    Higher Planning Authority overturns permission for Tuam car park

    GBFM News

    May 20, 2014

    Galway Bay FM News Desk



    Galway Bay fm newsroom – A decision on a planning appeal, which has been the source of much controversy in the town of Tuam, has been made.

    An Bord Pleanála has refused to grant planning permission to Joe O’ Toole for car parking and associated works and alterations to roads and footpaths at Townparks.

    The appeal had been made by Leo Moran and Palace Fields Residents’ Association among others.

    The County Council granted permission to Joe O’ Toole to retain the car park at Townparks close to his supermarket, last October.
    This decision was appealed by musician and singer, Leo Moran, Palace Fields Residents’ Association and other individuals.

    The higher planning authority has decided to overturn the County Council’s grant of permission.

    In making the decision to refuse permission for the Tuam car park, An Bord Pleanála states that the development to be retained, would result in the proliferation of car parking in that area, which is not justified.

    There was a perfectly good parking lot there to service both his store and the local area before he destroyed a beautiful area of Tuam just to build a bigger parking lot...


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    #136
    Mars Bar
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    And now we've even less parking spaces than we had to begin with.


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    #137
    dharma200
    Registered Users Posts: 998 ✭✭✭dharma200


    Mars Bar wrote: »
    And now we've even less parking spaces than we had to begin with.

    which is great.. supervalu does not need all those spaces. It was abhorrent what they did to that piece of land, illegally.... truly disgusted me. I drive a van and yes, it is a hanssle for me to park anywhere, but i still refused to park there.
    A few less parking spaces in the world.. so what... what was done to that area was nothing short of vandalism on a huge scale, to line the pockets of a businessman.

    Delighted about this ruling, I have a bit of faith in planners now to hold vandals accountable.


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    #138
    Some12
    Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭Some12


    Mars Bar wrote: »
    And now we've even less parking spaces than we had to begin with.

    There was an existing parking lot across the road that was more than sufficient before O'Toole started destroying the area.

    In addition to restoring the road, I hope O'Toole has to put the original parking lot back in place.

    Perhaps he should be arrested for vandalism or more??? He did destroy a beautiful area against the law...


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    #139
    Mars Bar
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    What I'm saying is he had enough, then he added more, now he has even less than he had to begin with! His greed went too far.

    I'm glad to hear of the ruling but it can't stop there. Something has to be done with it.

    It's dangerous and we have lazy idiots who park in illegal and dangerous places like along the face at the bend by the Gaelscoil.


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    #140
    Some12
    Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭Some12


    Mars Bar wrote: »
    What I'm saying is he had enough, then he added more, now he has even less than he had to begin with! His greed went too far.

    I'm glad to hear of the ruling but it can't stop there. Something has to be done with it.

    It's dangerous and we have lazy idiots who park in illegal and dangerous places like along the face at the bend by the Gaelscoil.

    I sit corrected! Re-reading your post, after reading the above, clears that up!

    He did have enough parking.


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