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Gardaí drinking seized alcohol 'common practice'

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    #92
    bernardamaac.
    Registered Users Posts: 363 ✭✭bernardamaac.


    i agree with this thread completely there a bunch of corrupt c*nts once me and a couple of the lads were "bushing" behind a merry's.i went in went on the bumpers came back out there's 2 gardai walking past bags of drink to get to my slab pick it up boot of the car and gone.there was me with nothing and every one else langer's drunk. :( sad times..


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    #93
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,402 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    they would hardly drink cans of Dutch Gold. have they no standards?
    https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/2160/212354.jpg

    the people who bitch about them drinking are the same one who bitch about them getting a free coffee.
    It is one thing to get a free coffee at a meeting, another to not have to pay for lunch - ever. I admit that this is less frequent than it was in the past.
    baldbear wrote: »
    Iv seen the free entry into nightclubs myself. Quick badge flash and in he went. My local pub used to give crates of beer to the local station at xmas to stay in their good books. Never heard of the free grub though
    Rules were introduced to stop it.

    It is one thing to give a reward, another to grease palms.


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    #94
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    MagicSean wrote: »
    I'm interested in how you think it makes a Garda less professional. I use to work in a deli and the boss would not allow anyone to take home leftover rolls at the end of a day because he thought they might purposely bake too many. Is that the kind of practice you believe in?

    The use of stolen goods wouldnt make a man whose job is to uphold the law less professional?


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    #95
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    The use of stolen goods wouldnt make a man whose job is to uphold the law less professional?

    You are referring only to the case of the fella in court. In the vast majority of cases it is not stolen, it is purchased illegally by or for under 18's and that is who it is seized from.


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    #96
    smash
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    I used to know a lad who got bags of fireworks at Halloween from his dad who was a Garda and used to confiscate them.


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    #97
    giftgrub
    Registered Users Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭giftgrub


    Dont know about seized alcohol but I used to work in a well known Dublin pub about 12 years ago...

    We would regularly get a knock on the door when we were having a few drinks after closing, the manager would get up, take a look and then go out to the squad car with a case of beer.

    My uncle has a country pub and the local sergeant is always WELL taken care of at Christmas


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    #98
    El Horseboxo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭El Horseboxo


    One of my friends has a brother that is a guard. He'd regularly bring home drink over the years. Mate told me that he has brought home fireworks, weed and even clothes at different times.

    I've recently start working for law enforcement in the US. I'd be out on my ear if I messed with evidence or confiscated goods. Maybe it's cause I'm on probation but I haven't heard of any perks like that over here.


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    #99
    LadyMayBelle
    Registered Users Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭LadyMayBelle


    When we were kids in the 80's my uncle used to bring up bagloads of pirate VHS , he'd get them from his friend who was a Garda..this progressed to DVD, all dodgy quality but obviously 'confiscated' from the sellers up at the Galway Races.. pretty sure the same happened with beer \o/


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    #100
    paddyandy
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    I doubt the Gardai would drink the fizzy slop that street drinkers drink or the Paint remover vodka .
    They might give it away though .


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    #101
    talla10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭talla10


    El Horseboxo wrote: »
    One of my friends has a brother that is a guard. He'd regularly bring home drink over the years. Mate told me that he has brought home fireworks, weed and even clothes at different times.
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    LadyMayBelle wrote: »
    When we were kids in the 80's my uncle used to bring up bagloads of pirate VHS , he'd get them from his friend who was a Garda..this progressed to DVD, all dodgy quality but obviously 'confiscated' from the sellers up at the Galway Races.. pretty sure the same happened with beer \o/


    A mate of mine used to work with a fella who lived next door to a girl who was friends with a niece of copper and he always let her play with the seized guns when they were younger...:rolleyes:


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    #102
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭blue note


    They should give whatever they confiscate to the homeless.


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    #103
    _feedback_
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    In this particular case the stolen stuff should have been returned. But generally don't see a problem with them using confiscated stuff. Bit of a perk.

    When I was young, we used to go to the neighbouring housing estate at Haloween because they used to have shít loads of fireworks. They all cam from the guard who lived there. It was common knowledge. Him and other parents were there to supervise, unlike the people he would have been taking them from.


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    #104
    Ray Palmer
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    For the higher up guard to claim is not normal is the big thing here. He is simply lying as enough people know it is common. To claim it doesn't happen indicates his willingness to lie in court.
    The guy made a mistake of doing it with stolen beer. Fine to say it is a perk and no problem with it. Now we have a senior guardi lying about it which is a really big deal. Highly plausible he did suggest going looking for some extra for a planned party.
    If you know any guardi you know they do this. They also take drugs and keep them. I'm sure some don't but it would be common practice.


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    #105
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    El Horseboxo wrote: »
    I've recently start working for law enforcement in the US. I'd be out on my ear if I messed with evidence or confiscated goods. Maybe it's cause I'm on probation but I haven't heard of any perks like that over here.

    Is it more like the shield or the wire?


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    #106
    Paddy De Plasterer
    Registered Users Posts: 360 ✭✭Paddy De Plasterer


    baldbear wrote: »
    Iv seen the free entry into nightclubs myself. Quick badge flash and in he went. My local pub used to give crates of beer to the local station at xmas to stay in their good books. Never heard of the free grub though

    Yes, most fast food joints give free grub to garda. Also most hotels etc.


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    #107
    El Horseboxo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭El Horseboxo


    talla10 wrote: »
    A mate of mine used to work with a fella who lived next door to a girl who was friends with a niece of copper and he always let her play with the seized guns when they were younger...:rolleyes:

    I know his brother. I've been in the house a few times when he has brought in drink. My mate wouldn't be making stuff up about his brother like that. So i've no reason not to believe him.

    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Is it more like the shield or the wire?

    Neither for me anyways. I'm with the crimes against children unit so since coming out of my 20 weeks training i've mostly been office based or sitting in on court cases.


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    #108
    stephendevlin
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    be a total waste to throw it down the sink... think of all them sober children in ethiopia


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    #109
    bluecode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭bluecode


    Taking stolen goods well that's not good. But seized alcohol is routinely taken home or handed out to friends. Availed of some myself at times.

    I love the story of the motorcycle cop randomly stopping some guy and handing him seized beer.

    As for people who deny this happens, well next they'll be telling us Gardai never ever drink and drive.:p


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    #110
    LH Pathe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    Pottler wrote: »
    LH Pathe wrote: »
    Last time I was arrested, on suspicion of armed robbery in Carlow when about to board the train, they were listening to my seized cassettes! Fairly surreal coming out of the cell to find the sargeant with his feet up n his shades on listnin to a doors tape. Commending my 'taste'?!

    prick was beatin the legs out from under me on the way up the stairs, now it's all buddy cop. what gives
    As you do. Try a car - they are way less predictable than a train when it comes to getting away. The whole, "no fixed stops/route" thing improves chances by a country mile.

    Sorry, comma! once.. n sure enough i didn't do it!! was more obviously the case in the flesh with me looking more like a student with an Aria Pro rosewood semi acoustic across his back n a rucksack full of musicalia. They really did have that few leads.. needed a scapegoat. Why always me?


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    #111
    getzls
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    I worked for a year in Co. Louth, won't give town in case it narrows the Guard down. If you wanted any DVD's he was the man to see. And they weren't copies he had made either. A fair few other things were to be got from him also.


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    #112
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    Back in my youth I only really noticed this with fireworks.

    If you wanted some bangers and the like, there was a guy next road over (in wicklow) who would sell them.

    By a remarkable coincidence his father was a cop.


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    #113
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    What about the coke and pills, gard?


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    #114
    nbar12
    Registered Users Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭nbar12


    my mates dad is a garda and his fridge would be full of confiscated cans! It's very rare to see cans of Heineken though! It's mostly full of royal dutch gold or karpackie, absolute piss but it was free!


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    #115
    viclemronny
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    MagicSean wrote: »
    interesting phrasing. They don't take them for personal use. They take them from underage drinkers. If you could explain why it is more ethical to pour the booze down a drain rather than drink it I would be very interested to hear your reasoning.

    The way I would see it is a 'thin end of the wedge' problem. Honestly, if they drink the booze they confiscate, it's no real harm. But the thing is there is a point where stealing evidence or confiscated property is a problem.

    Now, we can either have a hard and fast set rule of 'Don't steal anything from evidence or confiscated stuff for your own use' or we can have a separate rule for every possible object the Gardaí could seize.

    Should they be allowed use illegal substances? (not saying they do, just should they) what about counterfeit goods? stolen clothing? smuggled cigarettes?

    It's too much hassle to rule for every conceivable object and it's more fair if we have a set rule for all members of the force rather than a 'use your judgment' rule.

    That's why they shouldn't take the confiscated booze for themselves, it's the thin end of the wedge.


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    #116
    Dionysius2
    Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭Dionysius2


    There will always be a percentage of people who like to portray the Gardai in a poor light and always also, a percentage of Gardai who provide the opportunity for doing just that. Both types are in a miniority and not representative of main-stream thinking. Such attitudes say as much (if not more) about the individuals themselves as they say about those in the target areas.


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    #117
    walnut grove
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭walnut grove


    NOT GUILTY, and righty so .........................


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    #118
    scarymoon1
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    I knew of Guards coming home from work with bags of stolen stuff and going through it saying 'ooh il wear this Saturday night etc'. Asking did I want perfume etc that thwy could get me some from the station.. and I also knew another Guard that bought weed and was addicted to the stuff! Corrupt!! And then they hand out parking fines to innocents like me... today!


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    #119
    SocSocPol
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    MagicSean wrote: »
    You are referring only to the case of the fella in court. In the vast majority of cases it is not stolen, it is purchased illegally by or for under 18's and that is who it is seized from.
    In which case it becomes the property of the state not the the copper who confiscated it, coppers taking things including alcohol which has been confiscated are just thieves in a uniform.
    Of course some coppers in this country think they are the law, as opposed to officers of the law.


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    #120
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    In which case it becomes the property of the state not the the copper who confiscated it, coppers taking things including alcohol which has been confiscated are just thieves in a uniform.
    Of course some coppers in this country think they are the law, as opposed to officers of the law.

    But once it is disposed of it is no longer anyones property is it? So you would be ok with people digging it out of the bins? Or do you think it should be incinerated?


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    #121
    Shryke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    MagicSean wrote: »
    SocSocPol wrote: »
    In which case it becomes the property of the state not the the copper who confiscated it, coppers taking things including alcohol which has been confiscated are just thieves in a uniform.
    Of course some coppers in this country think they are the law, as opposed to officers of the law.

    But once it is disposed of it is no longer anyones property is it? So you would be ok with people digging it out of the bins? Or do you think it should be incinerated?

    It might be a tiny bit handier to pour it down the sink instead of trying to incinerate it...


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