Terry Court Case * Mod Note #51 *

citytillidie

Caveman1 wrote: »

Wonder what the FA will do now, delighted for Terry

He is English so nothing

Otacon

Not guilty

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/18824802

killwill

citytillidie wrote: »

He is English so nothing

This is the bottom line

I am pie

Seems you can say whatever you want, so long as you say you were being sarcastic after the event.

I bet Suarez wishes he had tried that on at his FA hearing.

Mr.Crinklewood

GavRedKing wrote: »

Here comes the shit storm in 3......2........1.......

Time to lock the thread.

The_Kew_Tour

Its like OJ Simpson all over again.

willowthewisp

In all fairness the FA cant do anything when the court have found him not guilty.

killwill

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Its like OJ Simpson all over again.

LOL

wonderfullife

Melion wrote: »

Video evidence of terry - Not Guilty
Evras word against Suarez - 8 game ban

Oh the English fa are comedians

Video evidence of Terry - cleared in a criminal court. Absolutely right decision.

Evras word against Suarez - dealt with by FA and on a different agenda.


The court decision has zero to do with the FA.

ebbsy

Can't trust a Ferdinand, sure did'nt his brother miss a drugs test as well ?

Justice has been served.

citytillidie

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Done now. Let's move on.

There is still the complaint from QPR to the FA about it

Chucky the tree

willowthewisp wrote: »

In all fairness the FA cant do anything when the court have found him not guilty.

Of course they can. But they won't because he is English.

Kess73

Well that's that.



Now to see what the FA say.

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Mr.Crinklewood

Champagne!!.

Pathetic.

GavRedKing

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Time to lock the thread.

I'm going to leave this run if we can all be civil, talk of this case in comparisson to the Suarez one is fine just keep it above board and civil folks or else it will be locked up.

Caveman1

citytillidie wrote: »

He is English so nothing

He's innocent so nothing would be more appropriate

Mr.Crinklewood

Notice the way that the cab he got, was not a black cab.

Skid

Joke of a decision.

Greenlight for Terry to say any racist comment he wants, while others get banned based on hearsay.

Melion

I hope the fa get involved in this now. They said they wouldn't while the criminal investigation was ongoing

ASOT

Cya in a few days lads, in the words of Peter jones

"I'm Out"

That_Guy

How dare that white fecker walk free.

:pac:

Doubt the FA will act tbh. No need now given the verdict.

Melion

Caveman1 wrote: »

He's innocent so nothing would be more appropriate

Innocent? He quite clearly called him a "fúcking black cúnt", how is that innocent?

I am pie

What was the decision based on ? How did the judge interpret what Terry said? ...or did they rule that he did not use the phrase ( i think we all know what is was) at all ?

Purely interested on what the basis of the legal ruling was here.

NoelJ

Aren't the FA going to seem racist in all this if they don't charge Terry?

That_Guy

Melion wrote: »

Innocent? He quite clearly called him a "fúcking black cúnt", how is that innocent?

Why didn't you present this evidence to the court? :rolleyes:

eigrod

I am pie wrote: »

What was the decision based on ? How did the judge interpret what Terry said? ...or did they rule that he did not use the phrase ( i think we all know what is was) at all ?

Purely interested on what the basis of the legal ruling was here.

Reasonable doubt over whether it was used in an insulting manner.

citytillidie

Caveman1 wrote: »

He's innocent so nothing would be more appropriate

There is different rules in the FA to what the court has he should be done for breaking those rules like Suarez was

lmao

There was only ever going to be one outcome in this case. By putting the case back till after the Euro's to suit Terry and England, the writing was on the wall that he would be found not guilty.

ThunbergsAreGo

It will be interesting to see what happens

while both Suarez and Terry cases deal with the same subject matter there are a number of differing circumstances

In a way both really shouldnt be compared

I feel Suarez was hard done by, always have, always will (dont want to open it up) but just because he got banned doesnt mean Terry should, they are different cases.

Not suprised at not guilty -
Court of Law - innocent until guilty
FA - guilty until proven innocent

Mr.Crinklewood

So fans that racially abuse players can now say:-

"Oh, i thought the player said i called him a black b@stard, i was merely questioning him on this. I would never say this to a player".

Kess73

wonderfullife wrote: »

Video evidence of Terry - cleared in a criminal court. Absolutely right decision.

Evras word against Suarez - dealt with by FA and on a different agenda.


The court decision has zero to do with the FA.

Think what it says is that if a footballer has an allegation of a racist comment against them in the future and the evidence is not clear cut, then the footballer would be better served if "somebody" reported the incident to the police rather than going through the FA.


Not saying that there was anything untoward done by the member of the public who reported Terry or that Terry has anything to do with that, but it would appear to have provided an option for future incidents.

citytillidie

Melion wrote: »

I hope the fa get involved in this now. They said they wouldn't while the criminal investigation was ongoing

They have to sky have said that QPR put in a complant about it back when it happened

wonderfullife

Melion wrote: »

I hope the fa get involved in this now. They said they wouldn't while the criminal investigation was ongoing

"An FA disciplinary investigation into the alleged racist incident at Loftus Road last October is set to restart regardless of what verdict is delivered today"

Don't see what an FA investigation can achieve. If Suarez had been charged in a criminal trial, would you advocate an FA investigation when he was cleared (and he would have been cleared)

Caveman1

Melion wrote: »

Innocent? He quite clearly called him a "fúcking black cúnt", how is that innocent?

That was for the judge to decide

Kess73

That_Guy wrote: »

How dare that white fecker walk free.

:pac:

Doubt the FA will act tbh. No need now given the verdict.

Does that mean you might be a black and white fecker?

GavRedKing

This is going to make our trip to Loftus road in September very interesting, thats if the FA dont ban Terry retrospectively that is.

Soby

Why bother with the case , everyone seems to know better than the judge

Mr Alan

Quite simply, the FA have to charge him now.

The court have reached the right verdict. Based on the evidence heard in court, there was no way he could be found guilty of such a serious offence. However, the FA (based on previous cases) have no issue finding guilty despite any real evidence so they should be able to go to town now.

donalg1

How can he be cleared of it after admitting he did it? I dont get it, the whole court case was about whether or not he said it and on day 1 JT told the court that he said it.

IamtheWalrus

He can still have committed the offence and not been found guilty. There has to be clear evidence for a guilty verdict. The judge obviously didn't see enough of it. Don't think there's a conspiracy here.

I am pie

eigrod wrote: »

Reasonable doubt over whether it was used in an insulting manner.

Is there a way for that phrase to be used in a non-insulting manner ! Very confused ? I am trying to understand how he used it in a questioning or sarcastic manner ?

Rekop dog

donalg1 wrote: »

How can he be cleared of it after admitting he did it? I dont get it, the whole court case was about whether or not he said it and on day 1 JT told the court that he said it.

Boiled down to they couldn't prove he meant "****ing black ****" as a direct insult.

Fairly lol tbf.

The_Kew_Tour

Caveman1

How can the FA possibly charge him of anything? He has been found not guilty. Will they be charging Anton Ferdinand for all the comments he made towards Terry?

Also why is everyone going about the language players are using on the pitch? They are all grown men ffs

Techless

The big question now is will he get the England captaincy back...:cool:

eigrod

I am pie wrote: »

Is there a way for that phrase to be used in a non-insulting manner ! Very confused ? I am trying to understand how he used it in a questioning or sarcastic manner ?

Yes, and that was the thrust of Terry's defence. He claimed Ferdinand accused him of calling him that and he was simply repeating what Ferdinand had accused him of. Or something. Anyway, it worked.

Kess73

wonderfullife wrote: »

"An FA disciplinary investigation into the alleged racist incident at Loftus Road last October is set to restart regardless of what verdict is delivered today"

Don't see what an FA investigation can achieve. If Suarez had been charged in a criminal trial, would you advocate an FA investigation when he was cleared (and he would have been cleared)

I think if Suarez had been tried in a criminal court and found innocent, and another footballer had recived extra punishment on probablitities by the FA for things other than what he admitted to, then supporters of that player would be calling for Suarez to face the FA.


I am just curious to see how the FA handle it given that they sent through the whole "we think Suarez is not a racist" spiel, but still dished out the bulk of his punishment for the bits based on probabilities rather than giving the bulk for what he admitted.

I really don't think the FA will actually do anything to Terry, and am not expecting much bar maybe some window dressing from them at most, but I do think a few potential loopholes might have been created thanks to the the Suarez case and the Terry case.

average_runner

In fairness this was the right call.

Ferdinand was intent on trying to get Terry to react, so Ferdinand got personal with Terry. If you cant take it, then dont give it Mr Ferdinand.

Now Terry is an idiot and i couldnt careless if he had got found guilty, but it only went to court because of who he is.

If Ferdinand had called him White b**tard would there be much said about it???

I am pie

Soby wrote: »

Why bother with the case , everyone seems to know better than the judge

I think it's extremely valid to ask questions to understand what the basis of the verdict was ?

No one disagrees he said those words, at in court they didn't. He seems to have got off because they were not used in a racist context. I think it's very valid to want to understand how that judgement can be made ?? Especially as it contradicts how the FA ruled on the Suarez case.....which was a clear case of did he say a word which can be construed as racist ?

The different approaches will continue to cause confusion. I cannot see how the FA can charge Terry now ? Unsportsmanlike sarcastic conduct?

Mr Alan

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

He can still have committed the offence and not been found guilty. There has to be clear evidence for a guilty verdict. The judge obviously didn't see enough of it. Don't think there's a conspiracy here.

No conspiracy here tbh. There wasn't enough to say he did it beyond a reasonable doubt.

The conspiracies will start when/if the FA don't now act.