What Type Of New Political Parties Would You Consider Voting For ?

Am Chile

Some people have the view there's a need for new political parties and new political ideas in Irish politics- Id tend to agree- most of us see no Ideological difference between fianna fail and fine gael-the other parties left to choose from at present- labour Id class as middle of the road I was never a fan of labour-then we have sinn fein Id class as left of centre- swp/the socialist party both left wing no Ideological difference between the two.With the choice of parties at this present time Id vote sinn fein first preference Id view as the best choice with whats currently there to choose from- but if there was any new political parties that were different to what we have to choose from at present what type of party would you consider voting for? for example Il name out some foreign political parties if there were to be an Irish version of the following parties what preference would give the following ?

Irish version of Ukip) most of us already know Ukip are mainly anti eu' in favour of eu withdrawal and in favour of strict border controls. their other policies can be viewed here, http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies

Irish version of the PVV better known as the party for freedom' led by Geert Wilders- they re mainly anti Islam pro Israel their leader Geert belives in West is at war with Islam' other policies the Pvv has they re also in favour of eu withdrawal' ending Immigration from Islamic countries. their website can be viewed here although it needs translating- http://www.pvv.nl/

Irish Version of the Party for the Animals.
they re mainly an animal rights type party see their website for more details. http://www.partyfortheanimals.nl/

Irish version of the tea party their main policies are on this page. http://www.teaparty.org/about.php

Irish version of the coffee party main policies can be viewed here. http://www.coffeepartyusa.com/about-us

If there was an Irish version of any of the following parties which would you consider voting for? feel free to add in other types of parties if I missed out on any.

Claasman

whatever party supports the 'no pants Friday' law

Shryke

A marxist party would make me smile.

hefferboi

communism?

conor.hogan.2

A actual Labour party, ideally in between SF and Labour.

Dangerous Man

An Irish Nazi party might be nice for a change of tempo.

Dartz

A keg party.

Can't do a worse job of running the country, can it?

Where To

A party that respects my incontrovertible right as an Irishman to take no responsibility for my own actions, a party that recognises that citizens of this country are entitled to services paid for by someone else, a party that will promise the sun, moon and stars because that is what the people want.

If only such a party existed . . . . . . . .

Lapin

The Church of the Militant Elvis Party.

Zebra3

A party that supports corruption and greed and if I get elected to public office will support my right to pocket large wedges of cash from the state and from property developers while overseeing the interests of a clique over the common good.

Ah crap, just been reading about FG and FF.................

John Doe1

A party without bloody politicans:p

Gadfly Girl

We do have a communist party, SWP and Socialists have Maxist ethos too.... Also the Greens are still out there somewhere, and let's not forget Eirigí

For me it would have to be Sinn Féin, there is room there for some new parties though I suppose....:rolleyes:

Lapin

Gadfly Girl wrote: »

..........and let's not forget Eirigí

No, please do forget those tossers.

Maybe an Irish Democratic Party.

Brian_Zeluz

The progressive conservatives. I enjoy their policy on swift lack of change and their wide range of narrow minded views. I also like anyone who is against Israel.

Fenian Army

Lapin wrote: »

No, please do forget those tossers.

And what exactly, is wrong with them?

TBF I think when people bash them they are really thinking of violence supporting parties like the 32CSM, RSF, RNU etc when in fact eirigi are affiliated with no armed group and dont support any either, as has always been the case.

They are about building a popular public movement and are open, democratic and transparent, certainly not the bogeymen some would have you believe (rooted in the confusion I alluded to).

Dont support them personally at all(to say the least) but they certainly are no where near the worst but I'd suggest reading their constitution etc before utterly demonising them. They do some very good community work in Dublin were they have some elected reps.

Am Chile

Being honest if there was an Irish version of Ukip or a politician similar to Nigel Farage Id consider giving a first preference vote- Id Agree with a lot Nigels analysis regarding the euro currency I think it was good at the start but in the longer run its being a disaster Greece has being bailed out twice' Portugal and Ireland have being bailed out' recently Spain and Italy have being bailed out recently Cyprus seems next in line to be bailed out and prob won't be the last eu country using the euro to be bailed out.

squod

Whole country is run by the civil service civil service unions anyhow. The only decisions political leaders get to make is choosing matching shoes and bags, and the women get even less choice.


Independents FTW. Well paid and accountable to the back of my hand (a job I'll do voluntarily). FG, FF and the ''Greens'' need to be eradicated from our shores.

Am Chile

Gadfly Girl wrote: »

We do have a communist party, SWP and Socialists have Maxist ethos too.... Also the Greens are still out there somewhere, and let's not forget Eirigí

For me it would have to be Sinn Féin, there is room there for some new parties though I suppose....:rolleyes:

While I wouldn't be fan of Eirigí they would be too left wing for me-they did play a role in halting an eviction in dublin a while ago- Id commend them for sticking up for ordinary people like that in these troubled times we re in.

Riddle101

Do we have any proper Liberal parties? i'd like a party that supports change. Preferably one that would change/reform the Justice System and Health Care System. But give priority to other things such as Employment and the Economy. Of course I realise that that would be like asking for a utopia and not a realist view. But one can always dream.

squod

Am Chile wrote: »

Greece has being bailed out twice]

Greece were gifted €100bn, or about two thirds of our debts.

Lapin

Fenian Army wrote: »

Dont support them personally at all(to say the least) but they certainly are no where near the worst but I'd suggest reading their constitution etc before utterly demonising them. They do some very good community work in Dublin were they have some elected reps.

I have read it.

It simply confirmed in my mind that they are a bunch of tossers.

Fenian Army

Lapin wrote: »

I have read it.

It simply confirmed in my mind that they are a bunch of tossers.

You have, I'm sure, cause then you'd be able to answer what I asked - what's wrong with them.

Monty Burnz

Anti-corruption party.

mikemac1

The number of people born outside Ireland but living here increased by 25 per cent to 766,770 in the period 2006-2011.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0330/1224314100736.html

Immigration Control Platform ran two candidates in Dublin and I think one in Cork
Got nowhere realy, just a tiny percentage of votes

I'll just add them to the thread, will we see a rise next time around? I think we will, it's a usual reaction when locals are unemployed

Am Chile

mikemac1 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0330/1224314100736.html

Immigration Control Platform ran two candidates in Dublin and I think one in Cork
Got nowhere realy, just a tiny percentage of votes

I'll just add them to the thread, will we see a rise next time around? I think we will, it's a usual reaction when locals are unemployed

They re a single issue party-which single issue parties never really get anywhere.

mikemac1

Could win a few council seats

Dangerous Man

There's a lot of scope for puns here and I have to say I'm disappointed with the effort you lot have put in so far. Very disappointed.

Kurz

An actual Labour party. Not just more of the same FF/FG gombeen types waving a labour flag to win a seat.

Father Damo

Free the Paedos!

It has to be big on bold political statements......

Richard Hillman

A true center right party that is tough on crime

crusher000

A party for the working class people of this Country.

Flex

An economically right wing (fiscally conservative, live within means and borrow money for capital expenditure, responsible with finances, not afraid of unions, etc.) and socially left wing (liberal, gay marriage, etc.) party.

And also supports getting rid of PR-STV and moving towards something that gets rid of constituencies altogether to prevent people from thinking their TD in the national assembly is responsible for having playgrounds and new roads and things made in their area. Would also like some sort of intelligence test required before youre allowed to vote; questions such as "Do you know what the word 'deficit' means?", "What happens when the government spends more money than it has on an ongoing basis?", etc. would see the support of certain parties fall through the floor.

That would be a start

Gummy Panda

Which ever party gets rid of bear tax!

KenSwee

A party for the The United Sates of Europe.

Focus on less bureaucracy and a more federal system which keeps each country as a state while overall running of the country is run from a central capital.

SEPT 23 1989

The Self Employed and Non Union Members Party

Nailz

A party in which doesn't have an overall manifesto, but encourages honesty in its political members, whom also create their own individual manifesto without the restriction of having to maintain consistancy between the other members. I'd prefer if the parties' politicians held some liberal idealisms, but overall being a conservative realist, slightly more conservative than a "liberatarian", although I do hate that word.

eyeball kid

Flex wrote: »

An economically right wing (fiscally conservative, live within means and borrow money for capital expenditure, responsible with finances, not afraid of unions, etc.) and socially left wing (liberal, gay marriage, etc.) party.

Would that not have been the PD's?

Crucifix

Am Chile wrote: »

Irish version of Ukip) most of us already know Ukip are mainly anti eu' in favour of eu withdrawal and in favour of strict border controls. their other policies can be viewed here, http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies

Irish version of the PVV better known as the party for freedom' led by Geert Wilders- they re mainly anti Islam pro Israel their leader Geert belives in West is at war with Islam' other policies the Pvv has they re also in favour of eu withdrawal' ending Immigration from Islamic countries. their website can be viewed here although it needs translating- http://www.pvv.nl/

Irish Version of the Party for the Animals.
they re mainly an animal rights type party see their website for more details. http://www.partyfortheanimals.nl/

Irish version of the tea party their main policies are on this page. http://www.teaparty.org/about.php

Irish version of the coffee party main policies can be viewed here. http://www.coffeepartyusa.com/about-us

Racist, racist, speciesist, racist, never heard of em

Crooked Jack

Anyone seen this lad yet? The next Taoiseach? (or first minister if he gets his way)

http://www.dup.ie/

hooradiation

Flex wrote: »

An economically right wing (fiscally conservative, live within means and borrow money for capital expenditure, responsible with finances, not afraid of unions, etc.) and socially left wing (liberal, gay marriage, etc.) party.

And also supports getting rid of PR-STV and moving towards something that gets rid of constituencies altogether to prevent people from thinking their TD in the national assembly is responsible for having playgrounds and new roads and things made in their area. Would also like some sort of intelligence test required before youre allowed to vote; questions such as "Do you know what the word 'deficit' means?", "What happens when the government spends more money than it has on an ongoing basis?", etc. would see the support of certain parties fall through the floor.

That would be a start

You are the king of bad ideas.

Monty Burnz

hooradiation wrote: »

You are the king of bad ideas.

Any idea that gets rid of the Michael Lowrys, the Healy-Raes and the Mick Wallaces must have something going for it...

Flex

hooradiation wrote: »

You are the king of bad ideas.

Why?

Borrowing for day to day current expenditure isnt a good thing, borrowing for capital investment that will develop infrastructure and help the economy grow to such a degree that it offsets the cost of servicing the borrowed money is the only type of borrowing the government should indulge in.

I would like a socially liberal party in power, whereby the state doesnt unnecessarily interfere with peoples lives, the point about gay marriage was the best example I could think of. Dont see why on earth it shouldnt be allowed.

If we had a responsible economicall right wing party in power during the Celtic Tiger years that didnt engage in pro-cyclical policies and inflated the property bubble we wouldnt be in the mess we are now. Instead we had populist crap that put public pay and welfare benefits way up, narrowed the tax base, etc...

PR-STV is (in my opinion) a terrible system for electing governments, it results in weak coalitions. And in Ireland's case it causes people to vote on local issues all to often and then causes TD's who are meant to be working based on whats best for the country and economy as a whole to be influenced by constituency issues. As Monty Burns mentioned, it would result in fewer Healy-Raes and Lowrys.

The intelligence test remark was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, however

One that it's members get stoned all day and when they canvas around the doors, give out free joints.

mikemac1

Flex wrote: »

An economically right wing (fiscally conservative, live within means and borrow money for capital expenditure, responsible with finances, not afraid of unions, etc.) and socially left wing (liberal, gay marriage, etc.) party.

There was a party for this, the PDs
But not enough voted for them and now they are gone

You could have even put yourself forward as a candidate, it's too late now

hooradiation

Flex wrote: »

Why?

The "intelligence test" bollox for a start.

Flex wrote: »

PR-STV is (in my opinion) a terrible system for electing governments, it results in weak coalitions. And in Ireland's case it causes people to vote on local issues all to often and then causes TD's who are meant to be working based on whats best for the country and economy as a whole to be influenced by constituency issues. As Monty Burns mentioned, it would result in fewer Healy-Raes and Lowrys.

In your dreams, kid.
The presence of "Healy-Raes and Lowrys" is the fault of electorate and nothing else, placing the blame at the feet of PR-STV is nonsense.
If we switched to, say, First past the post (which is so fucking terrible in it's own right, but that's neither here nor there) do you imagine that the situation would be magically fixed?
You can't stop people electing people you don't like and they will.
Blaming the election system is pointless.

Flex wrote: »

The intelligence test remark was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, however

The fuck it was.

Immaculate Pasta

Am Chile wrote: »

Irish Version of the Party for the Animals.
they re mainly an animal rights type party see their website for more details. http://www.partyfortheanimals.nl/

I would vote for this definitely. I think it's a disgrace that a chimpanzee hasn't been elected TD yet :mad:.

Monty Burnz

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

I would vote for this definitely. I think it's a disgrace that a chimpanzee hasn't been elected TD yet :mad:.

We've had a gorilla though.

Monty Burnz

hooradiation wrote: »

The presence of "Healy-Raes and Lowrys" is the fault of electorate and nothing else, placing the blame at the feet of PR-STV is nonsense.
If we switched to, say, First past the post (which is so fucking terrible in it's own right, but that's neither here nor there) do you imagine that the situation would be magically fixed?
You can't stop people electing people you don't like and they will.
Blaming the election system is pointless.

There's something to be said for acknowledging the weaknesses of the electorate and designing the system to ameliorate it though. We do the same when designing roads and such.

Bad Panda

A party with radical ideas to eliminate/incarcerate the scumbag element so prevalent in Irish society today...all the while offending some bleeding heart liberals who they've ensured (through some other radical law) can do nothing about it.

Jester252

A party that has a backbone