Cavachon

al-pal

Hi there,
I'm looking to get a Cavachon Pup.
Anyone know of anyone selling? willing to travel regardless of where in the country.

thanks

SillyMangoX

Whats a cavachon? If thats a posh name for a mongrel id steer clear, you wont get a reputable breeder only puppy farmers and back yard breeders looking to make a fast buck

cocker5

Think its a mix of KC Spaniel and a bichon... a posh / mongrel

Steer clear..

Im sick to death of all these makey uppie breeds... does anyone actually care about the long term prospects of these poor animals?

Irishchick

OP have you researched those individual breeds?

I don't understand why anyone would want that cross. It would be a walking vet bill.

FiveSive

OP I seem to be the only one so far who thinks Cavachons are a great breed! i have 2, both bought from a reputable breeder registered with the IKC who is passionate about Bichons & Cavaliers. Cavachons imo take the best from both breeds, they dont seem to be affected as much by the congenital heart defects that effect purebred cavaliers.

If you research them a bit more thoroughly you will come across breeders who specialise in them only. I would recommned that you go onto the IKC's website, find the deatails & contact info for either the Bichon or cavaliers clubs, phone them up and ask them about Cavachons.

I am pie

FiveSive wrote: »

OP I seem to be the only one so far who thinks Cavachons are a great breed! i have 2, both bought from a reputable breeder registered with the IKC who is passionate about Bichons & Cavaliers. Cavachons imo take the best from both breeds, they dont seem to be affected as much by the congenital heart defects that effect purebred cavaliers.

If you research them a bit more thoroughly you will come across breeders who specialise in them only. I would recommned that you go onto the IKC's website, find the deatails & contact info for either the Bichon or cavaliers clubs, phone them up and ask them about Cavachons.

They are not a breed, therefore cannot be IKC registered. Their parents can, but the pups cannot.

How have you come to the conclusion about their health or otherwise?

If you want a mongrel, go to a rescue. If the pups cannot be IKC registered you have no idea how they have been bred, what their future health will be like, whether the mother has been overbred/had too many litters or is too old etc. IKC registration of the parents guarantees none of the above.



Do not fall into the trap. Get a purebreed from an IKC breeder, where the pups themselves are registered....or go to a rescue and get a healthy mongrel.

Again, Cavachons,...not a breed.

SillyMangoX

The ikc dont support cross breeding so Im afraid who ever sold them to you is having you on. And it is not a guarantee that they will take the best of both breeds, basic genetics dictates that they are every bit as likely to have all the awful aspects too. Sorry but I really dont think any good is coming from people who cross these to make money. Years ago breeders would have given away, dumped or drowned pups that werent pure bred, now everyone is after a quick way to make money so they are charging several hundred euro for something that would have been free years ago. If you want a nice cross breed go to your local pound or shelter. You never know, you might find your 'designer breed' there, dumped from someone who couldnt sell their last pup, or disposed of when the owner figured out they arent some super healthy, immortal, hypoallergenic breed!

tk123

FiveSive wrote: »

OP I seem to be the only one so far who thinks Cavachons are a great breed! i have 2, both bought from a reputable breeder registered with the IKC who is passionate about Bichons & Cavaliers.

It's against IKC rules to cross breed so there is no such thing as a reputable breeder of this mix? Tbh any 'breeder' aka puppy farmer of them should be avoided at all costs.

FiveSive

I never said my 2 were IKC registered, i said the breeder who bred them has his Bichons and Cavaliers registered. I know you cant register Cavachons with IKC.

The only reason I said about future health issues is that my Vet said that he always encountered heart defects in cavaliers and he said cross breeds often take the best from both parents, he says mongrels are the healthiest of all dogs with little or no complaints, and purebreds always had the most complaints.

Anyway my 2 are great and I just wanted to emphasise to the OP that wanting a particular dog is not a crime!

I am pie

FiveSive wrote: »

I never said my 2 were IKC registered, i said the breeder who bred them has his Bichons and Cavaliers registered. I know you cant register Cavachons with IKC.

By mentioning it you're trying to imply legitimacy for this makey-up breed where none exists.

SillyMangoX

Its not a crime, but puppy farming should be. And while its true mongrels are in general healthier, the same cant be said for cross breeds. Their genes just havent been diluted far enough away from their origional lines which would have included inbreeding.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a cross breed or mongrel, ive only ever owned them, but not when the money used to pay for them supports puppy farming. If someone is giving them away for free and not filling you with lies about creating some new super breed then its more likely to be a somewhat reputable breeder.

tk123

FiveSive wrote: »

I never said my 2 were IKC registered, i said the breeder who bred them has his Bichons and Cavaliers registered. I know you cant register Cavachons with IKC.

You implied the breeder was reputable - breaking one of the fundamental rules of the IKC and cross breeding two registered dogs makes them anything but reputable.

andreac

FiveSive wrote: »

OP I seem to be the only one so far who thinks Cavachons are a great breed! i have 2, both bought from a reputable breeder registered with the IKC who is passionate about Bichons & Cavaliers. Cavachons imo take the best from both breeds, they dont seem to be affected as much by the congenital heart defects that effect purebred cavaliers.

If you research them a bit more thoroughly you will come across breeders who specialise in them only. I would recommned that you go onto the IKC's website, find the deatails & contact info for either the Bichon or cavaliers clubs, phone them up and ask them about Cavachons.

THERE ARE NO REPUTABLE BREEDERS OF DESIGNER DOGS, NOT ONE!!!!! :mad::mad:

When will people realise this?? No responsible breeder crosses two dogs and gives it a fancy name, not one decent breeder will do this, are you hearing this??
Its about time people woke and see these people for what they really are, PUPPY FARMERS and nothing less!!!

They do it for money, not for the good of the breed. If they did they wouldnt cross them in the first place then stick a bloody stupid name like Poochon, Cavachone, Pugalier etc etc on them.

Ask a reputable breeder about Cavachons and i can tell you exactly what they would say, nothing, as they would hang up the phone straight away on you, because they dont breed designer dogs, only puppy farmers do that.

The only people that specialise in them are puppy farmers. I think you seriously need to wake up and see the wood for the trees as you are absolutely clueless when it comes to designer breeds by the looks of it....

I wish people would take their heads out of the clouds and wake up to what these people are doing!!!
Rant over :mad::mad:

ISDW

andreac wrote: »

THERE ARE NO REPUTABLE BREEDERS OF DESIGNER DOGS, NOT ONE!!!!! :mad::mad:

When will people realise this?? No responsible breeder crosses two dogs and gives it a fancy name, not one decent breeder will do this, are you hearing this??
Its about time people woke and see these people for what they really are, PUPPY FARMERS and nothing less!!!

They do it for money, not for the good of the breed. If they did they wouldnt cross them in the first place then stick a bloody stupid name like Poochon, Cavachone, Pugalier etc etc on them.

Ask a reputable breeder about Cavachons and i can tell you exactly what they would say, nothing, as they would hang up the phone straight away on you, because they dont breed designer dogs, only puppy farmers do that.

The only people that specialise in them are puppy farmers. I think you seriously need to wake up and see the wood for the trees as you are absolutely clueless when it comes to designer breeds by the looks of it....

I wish people would take their heads out of the clouds and wake up to what these people are doing!!!
Rant over :mad::mad:

Andrea, stop sugar coating it, why don't you tell us how you really feel :D

FiveSive

Ok well just to say the breeder i bought from is 100% reputable. i visited his kennels 3 times before i picked up my 2 dogs and he has some of the friendliest, happiest dogs I have ever come across. The dogs living area is better than something you'd see in a Doggy day care. His life seems to revolve around dogs and while he does breed them he doesnt seem to do it for the money, id say he could have charged me twice what he did.

I think sometimes when people hear of any of these designer dogs they immediately shout puppy farm and this most certainly wasnt one.

And if you were a puppy farmer wouldnt the best thing be to stick with purebreds, they sell for way more.

I would be of the opinion that cross breeds can take the the best from both. The Irish Guide dogs use labradoodles quite often, as the hair is less aggravating to people with allergies than a full labrador.

ISDW

FiveSive wrote: »

Ok well just to say the breeder i bought from is 100% reputable. i visited his kennels 3 times before i picked up my 2 dogs and he has some of the friendliest, happiest dogs I have ever come across. The dogs living area is better than something you'd see in a Doggy day care. His life seems to revolve around dogs and while he does breed them he doesnt seem to do it for the money, id say he could have charged me twice what he did.

I think sometimes when people hear of any of these designer dogs they immediately shout puppy farm and this most certainly wasnt one.

And if you were a puppy farmer wouldnt the best thing be to stick with purebreds, they sell for way more.

I would be of the opinion that cross breeds can take the the best from both. The Irish Guide dogs use labradoodles quite often, as the hair is less aggravating to people with allergies than a full labrador.

OK, if he doesn't do it for the money, why does he do it? Designer dogs can fetch more than pedigrees, because people get caught up in the fancy names.

The reason a reputable breeder has a litter is if they want a dog for themselves, and to better the breed, hence health testing etc. Were the parents of your dogs health tested for the genetic issues prevelent in their breeds? Absolutely no way that a reputable, responsible breeder will cross two breeds like this. Puppy farmer on the other hand .....

Labradoodles aren't quite all they're cracked up to be, not all of them shed less, some shed more, thats what happens when you put two breeds together, there is no guarantee what you're going to get out of it. The man that first created the labradoodle wishes that he had never done it - I wonder why?

andreac

FiveSive wrote: »

Ok well just to say the breeder i bought from is 100% reputable. i visited his kennels 3 times before i picked up my 2 dogs and he has some of the friendliest, happiest dogs I have ever come across. The dogs living area is better than something you'd see in a Doggy day care. His life seems to revolve around dogs and while he does breed them he doesnt seem to do it for the money, id say he could have charged me twice what he did.

I think sometimes when people hear of any of these designer dogs they immediately shout puppy farm and this most certainly wasnt one.

And if you were a puppy farmer wouldnt the best thing be to stick with purebreds, they sell for way more.

I would be of the opinion that cross breeds can take the the best from both. The Irish Guide dogs use labradoodles quite often, as the hair is less aggravating to people with allergies than a full labrador.

Oh God, words fail. They really do, you really haven't a clue....
:rolleyes:

Knine

FiveSive wrote: »

Ok well just to say the breeder i bought from is 100% reputable. i visited his kennels 3 times before i picked up my 2 dogs and he has some of the friendliest, happiest dogs I have ever come across. The dogs living area is better than something you'd see in a Doggy day care. His life seems to revolve around dogs and while he does breed them he doesnt seem to do it for the money, id say he could have charged me twice what he did.

I think sometimes when people hear of any of these designer dogs they immediately shout puppy farm and this most certainly wasnt one.

And if you were a puppy farmer wouldnt the best thing be to stick with purebreds, they sell for way more.

I would be of the opinion that cross breeds can take the the best from both. The Irish Guide dogs use labradoodles quite often, as the hair is less aggravating to people with allergies than a full labrador.

Rubbish. Wake up! It costs a hell of a lot of money to raise an excellent quality of pure breed dogs. There are costs such as

Breed survey health tests
Stud fees & travel to the stud ( not the local handy neighbours Cavalier)
Entry fees to shows. It takes a lot of money to make an Irish Champion.
Pedgrees and registration fees
Microchipping (don't see too many designer litters chipped)
Puppy Packs for new owners
Aftersales care ( you won't ever hear from the puppy farmers again)
Breed Club membership and you have a code of ethics
Registering your Kennel name prefix
Time spent researching and seeing stud dogs.
Quality food and grooming products

Quality costs money.


Designer "breeds" are only designed to rip buyers off. They have none of the overhead costs that reputable breeders have.

girl in the striped socks

While I can understand the genuine hate for puppy farmers from other posters, can you at least give FiveSive the benefit of the doubt that he didn't go to a back yard breeder & just happened to get lucky.

He's after giving his account of buying a cavachon, whether he was right or wrong, but he is after being met with hostility.

Maybe he is the one in a million person to buy one that's not from a puppy farm & is in good health. It's not a regular occurrence but it does happen now & again.

Anyway op, if I was you I'd take a trip to the local rescue. Go in with an open mind & don't choose dog, let the dog choose you!
The more people that buy these so called designer dogs then the more dodgy characters that will continue to breed them, often in inhumane circumstances. Not every story is like FiveSive.

tk123

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

While I can understand the genuine hate for puppy farmers from other posters, can you at least give FiveSive the benefit of the doubt that he didn't go to a back yard breeder & just happened to get lucky.
.

What else was it if it wasn't a puppy farmer/BYB? It doesn't need to be a barn with 50 dogs in it, or a shed out the back etc. The OP and anyone else who stumbles across this post need to realize what these people do and how they fool buyers into thinking they're reputable.
The 'hostility' in this thread is towards gombeens who are churning out these pups. A lot of people here either have experience of dogs with health issues or indeed experience of reading heart breaking threads on here about poorly bred dogs ending up bad health.

girl in the striped socks

tk123 wrote: »

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

While I can understand the genuine hate for puppy farmers from other posters, can you at least give FiveSive the benefit of the doubt that he didn't go to a back yard breeder & just happened to get lucky.
.

What else was it if it wasn't a puppy farmer/BYB? It doesn't need to be a barn with 50 dogs in it, or a shed out the back etc. The OP and anyone else who stumbles across this post need to realize what these people do and how they fool buyers into thinking they're reputable.
The 'hostility' in this thread is towards gombeens who are churning out these pups. A lot of people here either have experience of dogs with health issues or indeed experience of reading heart breaking threads on here about poorly bred dogs ending up bad health.

I totally understand what you & other posters are saying. Maybe he bought off someone who wanted to keep an offspring & sell the rest, only breeding one litter. Maybe he didn't. I honestly don't know. But there is a very small chance that the breeder wanted to breed off his dogs once, that the parents hadn't shown signs of I'll health & that the pups are ok. I'd liken that situation to winning the euro millions. Highly unlikely but not unheard of.
From what I read of FiveSive posts he wasn't telling the op to go ahead no matter what is said by other posters. He gave his opinion on mixing those breeds because of his experience.
Hes one person who got lucky. Ask other owners of these mixed breeds & they could easily tell a story of heartbreak.

Cherry Blossom

Can we please tone down the aggression in this thread as the tone being used here is completely defeating the purpose. Not everyone is aware of the dangers associated with puppy buying, so please use the opportunity to offer constructive advise rather the current style of posting that isn't going to do anything other than turn people away from the forum.

Graces7

To breed responsibly you need to go back several generations in the bloodlines on each side, to eliminate the myriad potential health issues.

You cannot predict how a cross is going to turn out, which is why they are not registerable ( if that word exists..)

I have met two labradoodles; you would not recognise them as being the same type.

We have a "russet"; rescue, JRT Bassett cross. Physically she is 100 % and in rude health, but she is wired to the moon. A lovable clown.

With the weight and girth of the bassett. We thought at first ( we knew the mother was JRT) dachshund, then the deep chest and sheer size and splayed feet emerged.

Rarely still and ultra-sensitive. Nose always in the fore..

We have no idea of her ancestry and there is no way we would have bred from her.

Sometimes it seems that people seek something different? A named entity?

Each mutt in rescue is just that. Different, unique. If you look closely you will find the most interesting combinations and crosses in the world there.

Millem

FiveSive wrote: »

Ok well just to say the breeder i bought from is 100% reputable. i visited his kennels 3 times before i picked up my 2 dogs and he has some of the friendliest, happiest dogs I have ever come across. The dogs living area is better than something you'd see in a Doggy day care. His life seems to revolve around dogs and while he does breed them he doesnt seem to do it for the money, id say he could have charged me twice what he did.

I think sometimes when people hear of any of these designer dogs they immediately shout puppy farm and this most certainly wasnt one.

And if you were a puppy farmer wouldnt the best thing be to stick with purebreds, they sell for way more.

I would be of the opinion that cross breeds can take the the best from both. The Irish Guide dogs use labradoodles quite often, as the hair is less aggravating to people with allergies than a full labrador.

The Irish Guide dogs are using labradoodles but not every dog will make the cut. They have been very carefully bred, the parents have had all the relevant health tests and if a pup from litter develops health related problems the parents will not be bred from again.

sral1

andreac wrote: »

Oh God, words fail. They really do, you really haven't a clue....
:rolleyes:

One ? for all the young people in dog breeding today. Where do you think all the IKC breeds came from. Do you think God made them . NO. All breeds are man made by cross breeding. Am I missing something or was there a cut off point in history where no more new breeds were allowed.
Andreac what breeds were used to develop the Rottweiler ??? Do you know ,,enlighten us.
:rolleyes:

andreac

sral1 wrote: »

One ? for all the young people in dog breeding today. Where do you think all the IKC breeds came from. Do you think God made them . NO. All breeds are man made by cross breeding. Am I missing something or was there a cut off point in history where no more new breeds were allowed.
Andreac what breeds were used to develop the Rottweiler ??? Do you know ,,enlighten us.
:rolleyes:

Sorry but thats very very different. They werent cross breeding them to make a quick buck and give them fancy, stupid names to entice people to buy them :rolleyes: Its worlds apart that type of breeding and you cannot even begin to compare the two at all.

The rottie can be traced back to mastiff type breeds like the Tibetan Mastiff. What a lot of people dont know is that the Rottweiler was used as herding dog.

Evac101

Actually they were breeding idealised standards of 'historical' dogs or creating breeds which they felt reflected ideals of looks or behaviour which they felt dogs should conform to which, given that the codified dog breeding trend developed out of the Eugenics movement, is hardly the most laudable of motives either. In many cases the dogs were breed to exaggerate features because it caused the owners standing within that community to grow and I find it hard to find cases (out side of Rev Parson & et al) where the breeding was performed with the goal of improving the dogs health or quality of life. Feel free to defend IKC/KC/UKC if you wish, it's entirely your right however it's roots were never in the camp of dog welfare and these organisations still have a long way to go before they'll be considered humane and dog (rather then dog owner) orientated.

ISDW

Evac101 wrote: »

Actually they were breeding idealised standards of 'historical' dogs or creating breeds which they felt reflected ideals of looks or behaviour which they felt dogs should conform to which, given that the codified dog breeding trend developed out of the Eugenics movement, is hardly the most laudable of motives either. In many cases the dogs were breed to exaggerate features because it caused the owners standing within that community to grow and I find it hard to find cases (out side of Rev Parson & et al) where the breeding was performed with the goal of improving the dogs health or quality of life. Feel free to defend IKC/KC/UKC if you wish, it's entirely your right however it's roots were never in the camp of dog welfare and these organisations still have a long way to go before they'll be considered humane and dog (rather then dog owner) orientated.

Watched pedigree dogs exposed did you?

Dog breeds were around long before kennel clubs came into being. Siberian huskies were most definitely not bred because of the eugenics movement, but because the Chuchki people needed a dog that could do a specific job, just like the Rottweiler was first bred - not primarily as a show dog, and not as fashion accessories. I am no defender of kennel clubs just for the sake of it, I don't show my dogs and I am disgusted at how some of the dog breeds are going. Dogs should be bred to be fit for purpose, and there is an awful lot needs changing, the KC are actually moving in the right direction, not sure if the IKC will ever follow suit. Major problem though is they get too proscriptive with health testing etc, people will just go and use another registry. I'm sure we all know the other Irish registry that was set up, which has far, far less restrictions on breeding healthy dogs than the IKC.

Labradoodles were bred for a purpose, I can understand that, it will take a while, but hopefully the aims will be achieved. Crossbreeding two breeds just to make a cute cross, with no obvious benefits to the breeds or to mankind (and lets acknowledge that the working breeds exist for mankind's use) is just wrong. Again, I would applaud anyone who could outcross to make the cavalier's healthier, that I can understand and would hope that kennel clubs worldwide would also, and help in that aim, but puppy farmers crossing two breeds to make a quick buck aren't helping the dogs.

**Vai**

Yeah complaining about cavachons and then advising someone to go IKC only seems a bit rich.

Do yourself a favour OP and get yourself a little mongrel from a rescue, it'll save you a boatload in both upfront costs and medical costs down the line.

Cavachon me hole.

Evac101

ISDW wrote: »

Watched pedigree dogs exposed did you?

But of course

More seriously it did start me off looking at the history of dog breeding, both the type you're describing, dog breeding with a working purpose, and the type practised from 1860 initially by (mostly) entitled and monied folk pursuing a hobby that supported their sociological beliefs or who were involved for social purposes (in both cases with a distinct lack of dog welfare in mind).

The 'organic' dog breeding I have no objections to in that, in many cases, the dogs being breed together were known well by the breeder and while they, obviously, didn't have the methods of determining hidden health issues which we have today, they were familiar enough with the dogs to be aware of any 'shown' issues which might have been present. In that respect they conducted what 'health checks' were possible. The other facet of that type of breeding is that they were not, generally, try to breed to extremes but rather for specific working purposes, e.g. breeding a dog with good stamina across another with above average intelligence to, potentially, generate better herding dogs. Not breeding to giant size for example, as much as I adore GDs their catalogue of pervasive and occasional genetic issues is kinda horrifying (would still get one in a heart beat if I had the finances and an appropriate environment for one though).

Hellrazer

**Vai** wrote: »

Yeah complaining about cavachons and then advising someone to go IKC only seems a bit rich.

Do yourself a favour OP and get yourself a little mongrel from a rescue, it'll save you a boatload in both upfront costs and medical costs down the line.

Cavachon me hole.

Vai-theres already been a Mod waring given on thread.Now calm it down or I will be infracting and or issuing bans.