Racism in Ireland

techsavysista

Do you think that because of the recession employers are more likely to hire white Irish people?

I have seen far too many times, people less qualified than me getting positions I probably shouls have gotten.

Is Ireland racist?

(Just go through the streets of Dublin city centre or marketing offices, there is a very very small number of black/asian people working there? Couldn't just be a coincidence?)

What are your thoughts?

summerskin

troll-oll-oll-oll

Sykk

techsavysista wrote: »

Do you think that because of the recession employers are more likely to hire white Irish people?

I have seen far too many times, people less qualified than me getting positions I probably shouls have gotten.

Is Ireland racist?

(Just go through the streets of Dublin city centre or marketing offices, there is a very very small number of black/asian people working there? Couldn't just be a coincidence?)

What are your thoughts?

Yes, because you can't get a job. The entire country is racist.

Jester252

Bosses in Ireland just hate people that are better then them.
Well thats what I tell myself so I don't feel bad when I fail Job interview
So Op hold on to your excuse

emul8ter25

summerskin wrote: »

troll-oll-oll-oll

Dont be so quick to dismiss his point.

Of course racism exists, and I am sure this is happening to some degree.

You would be silly to think otherwise.

MrStuffins

Country with a massive majority of white people and minorities of "black" & "asian" people has mostly white people working in offices with "black" & "asian" workers being in the minority!

RACISTS!!!!!!!!

Great logoc OP!

Pushtrak

techsavysista wrote: »

I have seen far too many times, people less qualified than me getting positions I probably shouls have gotten.

How do you know the qualifications of the other applicants? You wouldn't be pre judging people would you?

SEPT 23 1989

Are you black OP?

Lando Griffin

Dublin is not the rest of Ireland OP.

summerskin

Jester252 wrote: »

No
Bosses in Ireland just hate people that are better then them.
Well thats what I tell myself

Have your C.V. proof read by someone, perhaps a professional, and then try applying again. Grammar makes a difference when applying for jobs.

MrStuffins

summerskin wrote: »

Have your C.V. proof read by someone, perhaps a professional, and then try applying again. Grammar makes a difference when applying for jobs.

Only if you're not white!

Real Life

maybe irish people should have a slight advantage in getting the job anyway since its where they are from, but only if their experience, qualifications etc are as good

summerskin

MrStuffins wrote: »

Only if you're not white!

I can't see what colour they are when reading a C.V.

MrStuffins

summerskin wrote: »

I can't see what colour they are when reading a C.V.

True!

In this case we should just start reading the "Nationality" part and not consider anyone who isn't Irish! It's the only way!

neil_hosey

techsavysista wrote: »

Do you think that because of the recession employers are more likely to hire white Irish people?

I have seen far too many times, people less qualified than me getting positions I probably shouls have gotten.

Is Ireland racist?

(Just go through the streets of Dublin city centre or marketing offices, there is a very very small number of black/asian people working there? Couldn't just be a coincidence?)

What are your thoughts?

most immigrant workers in most countrys generally work as labour, skilled trades, or other non skilled areas.

Same with the irish in australia mostly.. big deal.

I am pie

If you believe you have a case there are options open to you for pursuing a case against a potential employer for discriminatory hiring practises.

Or, you could come on to AH and post some vague nonsense about having been round dublin and completed some sort of ethnicity headcount measured against the amount of non-white eligible candidates.

For what it's worth, most IT offices I have worked in have a larger % of non-white/non-irish due to shortages of available local staff.

I think your opinions are misinformed.

summerskin

MrStuffins wrote: »

True!

In this case we should just start reading the "Nationality" part and not consider anyone who isn't Irish! It's the only way!

I hire people wherever they are from. Ethnicity/nationality isn't something that should come into the mind of an employer, only ability and aptitude.

MrStuffins

summerskin wrote: »

I hire people wherever they are from. Ethnicity/nationality isn't something that should come into the mind of an employer, only ability and aptitude.

So wait........ you're saying you AREN'T racist?

Whoa whoa! But........ why not?

Party Supply Van

.....and a sniper starts to circle....

AlfaZen

summerskin wrote: »

I can't see what colour they are when reading a C.V.

In the current economic climate I'm sure employers are looking to get the most qualified person at the lowest cost to them.

I would however concede that nepotism is alive and well in Ireland. Always has been and always will be.

dodderangler

Who cares bout racism
Your sayin white Irish are racist
Sure Blacks are the worst for it
If someone called an Irish person a spud peeling nacker I'd say and what's your point is just laugh at him
Call a black person somethin as small as an idiot or a tick they near get the papers involved screaming racist
I know cu I've been there
Happened to me in school

summerskin

MrStuffins wrote: »

So wait........ you're saying you AREN'T racist?

Whoa whoa! But........ why not?

When did I ever say i WAS racist?

MrStuffins

What I find amazing is how you can have a forum like this where there are Irish people saying they can't get jobs due to non-Irish people getting them......

and then you have non-Irish people saying they can't get jobs because Irish people are getting them!

So either EVERYBODY has a job or NOBODY has a job! Which is it?

MrStuffins

summerskin wrote: »

When did I ever say i WAS racist?

I was being sarcastic the whole time. it obviously didn't come across too well!

davet82

MrStuffins wrote: »

So either EVERYBODY has a job or NOBODY has a job! Which is it?

ffs isn't it obvious? everybody that has a job is racist to those that dont have a job :rolleyes:

MrStuffins

dodderangler wrote: »

Who cares bout racism
Your sayin white Irish are racist

Hmmm.... go on!

I'm sure you're about to prove this wrong..........

Sure Blacks are the worst for it

Whoops!

techsavysista

See I'm not sure if I believe it myself. But a lot of my friends have been complaining so I put it up.

In relation to my graduating class there has been many cases where the wrong person got the job.

But obviously, we are in the middle of some hard times and its hard to find a job for everyone. So maybe they too are doing what one post said above about reassuring themselves after being rejected?

Maybe I'll put "Nationality. Irish" on my cv (true) and shut these guys up!

And Jeez, you don't have to get so wound up, light conversation....

dejopadu

ireland is in recession, hundreds of irish people emigrating every week, OF COURSE COMPANIES SHOULD HIRE IRISH BEFORE FOREIGNERS !!

not to sound 'racist' but i am Irish, i am not in ireland just to earn money or
learn english or travel - i live here, i want to stay living here, its my home.

MrStuffins

davet82 wrote: »

ffs isn't it obvious? everybody that has a job is racist to those that dont have a job :rolleyes:

Jobist?

techsavysista

dodderangler wrote: »

Who cares bout racism
Your sayin white Irish are racist
Sure Blacks are the worst for it
If someone called an Irish person a spud peeling nacker I'd say and what's your point is just laugh at him
Call a black person somethin as small as an idiot or a tick they near get the papers involved screaming racist
I know cu I've been there
Happened to me in school

Ah jaysus...
Didn't say that, it was a question. Conversation starter. You can't sweep everyone with the same brush. Chill.

MrStuffins

techsavysista wrote: »

You can't sweep everyone with the same brush. Chill.

techsavysista wrote: »

Is Ireland racist?

You need to work on your sweeping OP!

techsavysista

I am pie wrote: »

If you believe you have a case there are options open to you for pursuing a case against a potential employer for discriminatory hiring practises.

Or, you could come on to AH and post some vague nonsense about having been round dublin and completed some sort of ethnicity headcount measured against the amount of non-white eligible candidates.

For what it's worth, most IT offices I have worked in have a larger % of non-white/non-irish due to shortages of available local staff.

I think your opinions are misinformed.

But don't you think there should be some sort of case study done so that noone can say so and so is misinformed and allegations of racism arent't untrue?

dodderangler

MrStuffins wrote: »

dodderangler wrote: »

Who cares bout racism
Your sayin white Irish are racist

Hmmm.... go on!

I'm sure you're about to prove this wrong..........

Sure Blacks are the worst for it

Whoops!

And you care why?
I am a racist but instantly everyone thinks if your racist you hate everyone that's not white
No it's not that's the problem with this country
I hate certain a race of people
Actually two

And don't be givin me this **** sayin whoops cuz I said blacks are the worst for it cuz they are and all Irish kno it!!!!!

Sometimes I'd be ashamed to call myself Irish that this country has turned into cowards and would rather protect the foreigners than their own irish

techsavysista

MrStuffins wrote: »

What I find amazing is how you can have a forum like this where there are Irish people saying they can't get jobs due to non-Irish people getting them......

and then you have non-Irish people saying they can't get jobs because Irish people are getting them!

So either EVERYBODY has a job or NOBODY has a job! Which is it?

Great point! Except I am Irish, so maybe I can fit into both categories?

Maybe eveyone is just looking for someone else to blame?

Ellis Dee

techsavysista wrote: »

Do you think that because of the recession employers are more likely to hire white Irish people?

I'd have thought that in straitened times employers would be less likely to hire anyone, and when they did it would be those they could get at lowest cost, with due regard to the person's suitability. Some of them may remember the Celtic Tiger era long ago, when a lot of Irish people turned up their noses at the jobs they were being offered, but Poles or Lithuanians took them and turned out to be good workers.:rolleyes:

techsavysista wrote: »

I have seen far too many times, people less qualified than me getting positions I probably should have gotten.

Me, too, but that's only my view. I suppose the same goes for you.;)

techsavysista wrote: »

Is Ireland racist?

You cannot say that a country is racist unless racism is enshrined in its constitution and laws. The opposite applies to Ireland. Unfortunately, some Irish people are racist, as are some everywhere in the world. But fortunately our laws and the majority of decent-minded people prevent them from doing any serious harm and at the end of the day the racists and xenophobes just come across as the kind of begrudging, ignorant skanger cnuts no normal person would want to be.:)

techsavysista wrote: »

(Just go through the streets of Dublin city centre or marketing offices, there is a very very small number of black/asian people working there? Couldn't just be a coincidence?)

Have you any figures to back that up?

techsavysista wrote: »

What are your thoughts?

Meh!:D:D

MrStuffins

dodderangler wrote: »

And you care why?
I am a racist but instantly everyone thinks if your racist you hate everyone that's not white

No but it generally means you're an idiot!

And don't be givin me this **** sayin whoops cuz I said blacks are the worst for it cuz they are and all Irish kno it!!!!!

I'm Irish. Don't think you can speak for the entire country because you can't.

Sometimes I'd be ashamed to call myself Irish that this country has turned into cowards and would rather protect the foreigners than their own irish

I'd ask you "What do you mean by protect?" but I really don't care what your opinion is!

techsavysista

MrStuffins wrote: »

techsavysista wrote: »

You can't sweep everyone with the same brush. Chill.

techsavysista wrote: »

Is Ireland racist?

You need to work on your sweeping OP!

I didn't say it was. It's nort an unfair question to ask. These are questions we need to ask more often to insure that we're going the right way as a country.

Again, chill

MrStuffins

techsavysista wrote: »

I didn't say it was. It's nort an unfair question to ask. These are questions we need to ask more often to insure that we're going the right way as a country.

Again, chill

I'm chilled.

You asked was Ireland racist. It's not an answerable question.

if you'd asked "Does racism exist in Ireland?" the answer would be yes.

But what is it that you wanted to know? Are irish people in general more racist than others? Less than others? Are all Irish people racist? Do the majority of Irish employers only hire Irish people? DO they take it into account?

Just asking "Is Irish racist?" did your discussion no favours.

I am pie

techsavysista wrote: »

See I'm not sure if I believe it myself. But a lot of my friends have been complaining so I put it up.

In relation to my graduating class there has been many cases where the wrong person got the job.

Why where they the wrong person?

Hint - grades don't count at an interview. Personality & enthusiasm and ability to display an understanding of the role go a lot further than grades.

I would respectfully suggest that your opinion that the wrong people have been hired is tainted with a little bit of bitterness. Either on your part, or on the part of your classmates.

El Weirdo

Balls to this.

Like all the other threads in here on this subject, it won't end well.