Shelbourne FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

dan1895 · 14-05-2013 9:25am

Friday's game with Pats should be interesting. Will be heading down early for once.

Lawrence1895 · 14-05-2013 11:05am

dan1895 wrote: »

Friday's game with Pats should be interesting. Will be heading down early for once.

I am not looking forward to the match

Lovely Bloke · 14-05-2013 11:28am

Don't even know if I'm going.

CSF · 14-05-2013 11:41am

Should go. Whole fanbase needs to unite on Friday and let that *insert profanity here* know he is not welcome for 90 minutes

dan1895 · 14-05-2013 12:34pm

CSF wrote: »

Should go. Whole fanbase needs to unite on Friday and let that *insert profanity here* know he is not welcome for 90 minutes

Any plan of action? Anti- Matthews chants, banners, hanging flags upside down?

CSF · 14-05-2013 12:52pm

dan1895 wrote: »

Any plan of action? Anti- Matthews chants, banners, hanging flags upside down?

I don't know myself. BD will probably have a display planned.

Bateman · 14-05-2013 1:18pm

Who/what is/are Reds Independent?

Lovely Bloke · 14-05-2013 1:46pm

Bateman wrote: »

Who/what is/are Reds Independent?

Independent fans group who produce the fanzine Red Inc (longest running fanzine in the league, for what it's worth) - they are also pretty much Briogaid Dearg - the grouping behind displays when they happen. There is a lot of crossover between RI and BD, but they claim to separate entities.

They are not affiliated in any with the club, or groups like the SSDG or the 1895 Trust - but there ARE people who claim membership of all 4.

Captain Havoc · 14-05-2013 2:41pm

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Independent fans group who produce the fanzine Red Inc (longest running fanzine in the league, for what it's worth) - they are also pretty much Briogaid Dearg - the grouping behind displays when they happen. There is a lot of crossover between RI and BD, but they claim to separate entities.

They are not affiliated in any with the club, or groups like the SSDG or the 1895 Trust - but there ARE people who claim membership of all 4.

That sounds like a lot of unnecessary crossing over for a club.

Bateman · 14-05-2013 2:46pm

The "Development Group" and the "Trust" probably should be one organisation.

The Ultras and the Fanzine Team could also probably be one organisation but one name could have more clout than the other I suppose

Lawrence1895 · 14-05-2013 2:56pm

dan1895 wrote: »

Any plan of action? Anti- Matthews chants, banners, hanging flags upside down?

Turning the back to the pitch, showing the naked backside? :pac:

Seriously, we did that in Dortmund many years ago.

CSF · 14-05-2013 5:11pm

Bateman wrote: »

The "Development Group" and the "Trust" probably should be one organisation.

The Ultras and the Fanzine Team could also probably be one organisation but one name could have more clout than the other I suppose

All 4 groups do very different things, so the crossover is fine IMO.

CSF · 14-05-2013 5:13pm

Lars1916 wrote: »

Turning the back to the pitch, showing the naked backside? :pac:

Seriously, we did that in Dortmund many years ago.

Need to do something that singles out Matthews.

dan1895 · 14-05-2013 5:19pm

CSF wrote: »

Need to do something that singles out Matthews.

Agree with this, no point in abusing the players, many of whom are in their first year of senior football. Matthew's out chants before ko, at half time and at the final whistle but nothing but support for the team while the match is on?

CSF · 14-05-2013 5:26pm

dan1895 wrote: »

Agree with this, no point in abusing the players, many of whom are in their first year of senior football. Matthew's out chants before ko, at half time and at the final whistle but nothing but support for the team while the match is on?

I would be in favour of 90 minutes of letting him know he is not welcome. But no abuse at the players.

Lawrence1895 · 14-05-2013 6:39pm

Whatever will happen, I hope the volunteer stewards won't get right in the middle of the action

dan1895 · 14-05-2013 7:51pm

Lars1916 wrote: »

Whatever will happen, I hope the volunteer stewards won't get right in the middle of the action

I doubt there will be a need for them to get involved.

Lawrence1895 · 14-05-2013 10:15pm

dan1895 wrote: »

I doubt there will be a need for them to get involved.

Let's put it this way, all the volunteer stewards are Shels fans, they suffer a fair bit, they way things are now. And even if I'm relatively new in Tolka (compared to others), I don't want the club going down the drain

The_Kew_Tour · 14-05-2013 10:24pm

Who would take over though?

CSF · 15-05-2013 12:20am

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Who would take over though?

Pete Mahon & John Gill have been the 2 most talked about. Ideally though, you'd just advertise it and see what applicants come in, I don't like this whole thing of having someone in mind straight away, see what is out there first.

Most important thing for the club right now is Matthews leaves.

"I'm not getting into that. They are damaging the club. I'm not getting into a shouting match with them because it's only going to go one way...and don't edit that."

He really isn't good at being a human being.

BOHtox · 15-05-2013 12:48am

CSF wrote: »

Pete Mahon & John Gill

Jesus that's depressing. More of the same! At least go for a young manager not one that has been all around the league. Mahon isn't that bad but Gill doesn't inspire me at all. I remember when he was linked to the Bohs job and literally felt ill thinking about him managing us.

kksaints · 15-05-2013 1:00am

BOHtox wrote: »

Jesus that's depressing. More of the same! At least go for a young manager not one that has been all around the league. Mahon isn't that bad but Gill doesn't inspire me at all. I remember when he was linked to the Bohs job and literally felt ill thinking about him managing us.

Mahon and Gill did a decent job at Pats. When they took over in 2009 we were a mess after Kenna's reign of terror but they helped stablise the club. Did well in 2010 and 2011 even if the teams did tend to run out of steam in the last third of the season. The football wont be brilliant but it was fairly effective. Going for a young manager at this stage is always a bit risky especially with the team Shels have.

Lovely Bloke · 15-05-2013 6:27am

I'd take Mahon, I'd take Gill - I'd take anyone bar Matthews, Collins or Dolan - the best man for the Shels job at the moment is "not Matthews".

Lovely Bloke · 15-05-2013 10:27am

Looks like any planned protest may be postponed.

dan1895 · 15-05-2013 10:40am

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Looks like any planned protest may be postponed.

Why's this now?

Lovely Bloke · 15-05-2013 11:07am

dan1895 wrote: »

Why's this now?

Seemingly any protest was against the bannings of the three lads who chanted anti-Matthews in the bar last week, but Joe Casey has agreed to meet them now.

Weird I know

Lawrence1895 · 15-05-2013 1:53pm

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Seemingly any protest was against the bannings of the three lads who chanted anti-Matthews in the bar last week, but Joe Casey has agreed to meet them now.

Weird I know

It's weird alright. But maybe they were just afraid of the protest as such? it must look ridiculous to have some media coverage about it, even if it's only MNS.

I hope though, the bans will be reversed

dan1895 · 15-05-2013 3:26pm

Hope the bans are lifted. I don't agree that an U19 end of season presentation after the senior side's first win of the season was the place for such chanting but the chants themselves were relatively harmless. Much worse was being sung in the stand during the match (not necessarily by the same people).

Gavin "shels" · 15-05-2013 8:32pm

dan1895 wrote: »

Any plan of action? Anti- Matthews chants, banners, hanging flags upside down?

Yes, check out the Reds Independent forum for details.

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Independent fans group who produce the fanzine Red Inc (longest running fanzine in the league, for what it's worth) - they are also pretty much Briogaid Dearg - the grouping behind displays when they happen. There is a lot of crossover between RI and BD, but they claim to separate entities.

They are not affiliated in any with the club, or groups like the SSDG or the 1895 Trust - but there ARE people who claim membership of all 4.

There's very little crossover between RI and BD actually.

Bateman wrote: »

The "Development Group" and the "Trust" probably should be one organisation.

The Ultras and the Fanzine Team could also probably be one organisation but one name could have more clout than the other I suppose

SSDG and the Trust are completely different groups, with different ideas. BD and RI were set up for two completely different reasons, BD are Ultras and RI were set up when the Shels -v- Rangers match was moved to Tranmere due to fears from the Guards if it was played in Dublin.

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Looks like any planned protest may be postponed.

Still a protest being planned.

Ebbs · 15-05-2013 9:27pm

What is the protest actually about, trying to get Matthews to walk without a pay off or for the board to sack him? I assume thats the only reason he isnt gone?

What's left on his contract?

CSF · 15-05-2013 9:29pm

Ebbs wrote: »

What is the protest actually about, trying to get Matthews to walk without a pay off or for the board to sack him? I assume thats the only reason he isnt gone?

What's left on his contract?

3 fans banned for chanting at Matthews in the club bar.

SantryRed · 15-05-2013 9:41pm

CSF wrote: »

3 fans banned for chanting at Matthews in the club bar.

Tbh, they deserved the bannings.

CSF · 15-05-2013 9:42pm

SantryRed wrote: »

Tbh, they deserved the bannings.

They did? Do you know more to it than I do?

Ebbs · 15-05-2013 9:48pm

CSF wrote: »

3 fans banned for chanting at Matthews in the club bar.

Ah sorry, got that much. 3 Banned at underage presentation for abusing matthews, thought there was a separate protest for getting Matthews out but just happened three were banned before, nevermind thanks.

Lovely Bloke · 15-05-2013 9:52pm

No they didn't - it was not an officially announced event, they just arrived into the bar for the evening, and the thing started.

Nobody knew what was planned for the evening, Matthews arrived into the bar and the chants started, perfectly normal under the circumstances.

The lads shouldn't have been banned, and the aspect of the protest about that is not going ahead any more, as Joe Casey, the chairman, has agreed to meet the three banned lads to get it sorted.

I've also been made aware that a protest against Matthews is still to go ahead. I will be partaking in this protest.

To whoever asked how long he has left, I think it's the rest of this season, plus next season.

Lawrence1895 · 15-05-2013 10:09pm

SantryRed wrote: »

Tbh, they deserved the bannings.

It could have been handled in a more decent manner. Just throwing out the three lads, is a bit harsh, imo.

Though they picked the wrong stage...

SantryRed · 15-05-2013 11:21pm

From what I heard they started chanting at Matthews, in a bar, during the 19s presentation. Regardless of the fact of what he has done, maybe have a few choice words, but to start chanting at him is ****ing ridiculous when not at a game.

CSF · 15-05-2013 11:47pm

SantryRed wrote: »

From what I heard they started chanting at Matthews, in a bar, during the 19s presentation. Regardless of the fact of what he has done, maybe have a few choice words, but to start chanting at him is ****ing ridiculous when not at a game.

He was in the club bar after the game, not in the shopping centre with his family. He knows full well he is not welcome around the club, but refuses to leave anyway. He needs to be reminded of the fact that he is not welcome at every possible opportunity.

Lovely Bloke · 16-05-2013 6:16am

SantryRed wrote: »

From what I heard they started chanting at Matthews, in a bar, during the 19s presentation. Regardless of the fact of what he has done, maybe have a few choice words, but to start chanting at him is ****ing ridiculous when not at a game.

You are being entirely disingenuous here. The lads did not know, in fact no-one apart from "club people" knew it was going to be the u19 presentation night in the bar that night.

So it's not as if they crashed a party with the express intent of ruining the night on the kids.

No, they were in the Club bar, after a match - when in walked a most unwelcome person, and he was let know he was not wanted.

celtictiger32 · 21-05-2013 2:26pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

SSDG and the Trust are completely different groups, with different ideas. BD and RI were set up for two completely different reasons, BD are Ultras and RI were set up when the Shels -v- Rangers match was moved to Tranmere due to fears from the Guards if it was played in Dublin.
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ah the memories...... great trip that was even if we were disappointed it was moved. pity about tony mc carthy though

dan1895 · 21-05-2013 11:27pm

Disappointing to see an ex-Red talking so much sh*t. Good to see him being called out on it though. http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish/2013/0521/451609-shels-should-lure-heary-from-bohs/#idc-container

celtictiger32 · 24-05-2013 2:10am

any indication of a time frame for appointing the new manger?

Gavin "shels" · 24-05-2013 4:29am

celtictiger32 wrote: »

any indication of a time frame for appointing the new manger?

Next week I'd guess, all but a done deal.

Pierce_1991 · 24-05-2013 4:49am

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Next week I'd guess, all but a done deal.

Who's getting it?

CSF · 24-05-2013 2:59pm

Welcome to Shelbourne Johnny McDonnell!!!

dan1895 · 24-05-2013 5:46pm

CSF wrote: »

Welcome to Shelbourne Johnny McDonnell!!!

Good appointment in my opinion and a gent by all accounts unlike the last fella.
Best of luck to him.

celtictiger32 · 28-05-2013 9:00pm

happy enough i suppose, i hadnt really made my mind up who i would have chosen personally. wonder will we see any faroes players in tolka in the next season or two?:D

Gavin "shels" · 28-05-2013 10:19pm

The 1895 Trust Update: Survey launch.

Shelbourne FC and The 1895 Trust are delighted to announce the launch of the first Shelbourne FC Fans' Survey.

The aim of this survey is to collect information on the Shelbourne FC community and to query fans on the match day experience at Tolka Park. The results of this survey will be used by the club to improve our advertising and marketing strategy and to improve the match day experience of Shelbourne FC fans.

The survey is for anyone who has come to a game at Tolka Park, including lapsed fans and casual attendees. Shelbourne FC encourage fans to pass the survey on to those who are no longer regular attendees, so their views can be represented.

This survey is being produced with the help of The 1895 Trust. Survey design and data analysis is being performed on a voluntary basis by members of the Trust.

Fans can fill in the survey online by clicking https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/shelsfanssurvey .

Paper copies of the survey can be obtained from the 1895 Trust stall in Tolka Park.

Final results will be made available to the public after the survey closes on Sunday, June 30th.

http://shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=2516

If everyone could fill this in, and pass it onto other Reds, regulars or lapsed that would be greatly appreciated.

Lawrence1895 · 28-05-2013 10:31pm

More than happy to participate in the survey. Well done and fair play to the lads who put it up :cool:

dan1895 · 28-05-2013 10:41pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

The 1895 Trust Update: Survey launch.

Shelbourne FC and The 1895 Trust are delighted to announce the launch of the first Shelbourne FC Fans' Survey.

The aim of this survey is to collect information on the Shelbourne FC community and to query fans on the match day experience at Tolka Park. The results of this survey will be used by the club to improve our advertising and marketing strategy and to improve the match day experience of Shelbourne FC fans.

The survey is for anyone who has come to a game at Tolka Park, including lapsed fans and casual attendees. Shelbourne FC encourage fans to pass the survey on to those who are no longer regular attendees, so their views can be represented.

This survey is being produced with the help of The 1895 Trust. Survey design and data analysis is being performed on a voluntary basis by members of the Trust.

Fans can fill in the survey online by clicking https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/shelsfanssurvey .

Paper copies of the survey can be obtained from the 1895 Trust stall in Tolka Park.

Final results will be made available to the public after the survey closes on Sunday, June 30th.

http://shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=2516

If everyone could fill this in, and pass it onto other Reds, regulars or lapsed that would be greatly appreciated.

Done.

Great way of getting feedback. I'll email a few past and present fans to do it too.

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