Jackpot overraking

Formation

Having been asked a simple question as to how much they would rake out of a certain pot their silence is proof enough that they are robbing their players.

TrueDub

Formation wrote: »

Having been asked a simple question as to how much they would rake out of a certain pot their silence is proof enough that they are robbing their players.

And you've been offered several ways to resolve this to your satisfaction, but refused to take them. This indicates, to me at least, that you have a grudge of some sort and aren't interested in a resolution, just in attacking the club.

My 2c.

OnTheCounter

The jackpot wants to discuss the matter privately in the club.

The OP wants them to answer publicy here on this forum which is understandable.

I would also like to know how much would be raked out of that pot before I play in the Jackpot again.

TrueDub

OnTheCounter wrote: »

The jackpot wants to discuss the matter privately in the club.

The OP wants them to answer publicy here on this forum which is understandable.

I would also like to know how much would be raked out of that pot before I play in the Jackpot again.

They're exercising their choice not to reply.

You're exercising your right as a consumer not to play there, which was a course of action suggested to the OP a long time ago.

OnTheCounter

At least people are aware now and might pay more attention.

If, for example, in a session I would be raked 50% more in the jackpot I would consider travelling to the Fitz or Voodoo instead.

Regardless I will be paying more attention to how much I'm being raked.

DAMO72

LOL

OnTheCounter

The more I think about it the dodgier it seems.

I would think if the specific hand question was put to any other cardroom they would answer.

I realise the OP was a bit out of line with the way they went about the whole thread but now other customers are asking.

DAMO72

Formation wrote: »

Paul,

This is probably the best way to put an end to this discussion while being transparent about your rake structure...

Can you detail how much would be raked out of this pot?

9 handed e1/2 game:

preflop:
UTG open to e20
UTG+1 calls e20
MP1 folds
MP2 calls e20
MP3 folds
CO calls e20
BUTTON calls e20
SB folds
BB goes all in for e80
UTG calls e60
UTG+1 calls e60
MP2 folds
CO folds
BUTTON calls e60

flop:
UTG bets e150
UTG+1 folds
BUTTON calls e150

turn:
UTG checks
BUTTON bets e250 all in
UTG folds

showdown between BB and BUTTON.

BB: AhAc
BUTTON: KhKc

board: 2c,4c,5h,9s,Jd

Paul can you tell me how much would be raked out of the above hand and detail how you decided on the amount of the rake?

Quickest way to end this.

What did UTG open with??

MP62

DAMO72 wrote: »

Formation wrote: »

Paul,

This is probably the best way to put an end to this discussion while being transparent about your rake structure...

Can you detail how much would be raked out of this pot?

9 handed e1/2 game:

preflop:
UTG open to e20
UTG+1 calls e20
MP1 folds
MP2 calls e20
MP3 folds
CO calls e20
BUTTON calls e20
SB folds
BB goes all in for e80
UTG calls e60
UTG+1 calls e60
MP2 folds
CO folds
BUTTON calls e60

flop:
UTG bets e150
UTG+1 folds
BUTTON calls e150

turn:
UTG checks
BUTTON bets e250 all in
UTG folds

showdown between BB and BUTTON.

BB: AhAc
BUTTON: KhKc

board: 2c,4c,5h,9s,Jd

Paul can you tell me how much would be raked out of the above hand and detail how you decided on the amount of the rake?

Quickest way to end this.

What did UTG open with??

Jacks or better to open.

premierstone

MP62 wrote: »

Jacks or better to open.

Wasn't opened the previous hand, so Queens it was, unlucky, coooler!

Formation

UTG was drunk was had watched too much high stakes poker so tried to win the hand with 72.

premierstone

Formation wrote: »

UTG was drunk was had watched too much high stakes poker so tried to win the hand with 72.

Doesn't make sense why would he fold on the turn then, he was drawing to trips shur??

Formation

premierstone wrote: »

Doesn't make sense why would he fold on the turn then, he was drawing to trips shur??

he said he got a bad feeling about that hand. He thought BB was bluffing preflop but realised the button was playing his one hand an hour and more than likely wasn't bluffing. He said he almost called but seen the button look at the dealer which is a dead giveaway apparantly.

How are things Paul? Did you figure out the rake on this hand yet?

If it makes a difference BB is a bit tipsy and the button was on the double vodkas in coppers and he was thirsty.

pkr_ennis

Pretty interesting thread - I think it's hard to accuse the Jackpot of over raking as it's definitely in their best interest to rake the correct amount and keep the games going strong for as long as possible thereby attracting more and more people to the club enabling the games to become more and more successful - at least this was the philosophy behind the highly successful games I ran in this country.

There could be a crew of dealers helping themselves - which is pretty rare - even in an un-regulated gambling scene like there is in this country.

I've heard many good reports about the Jackpot from players and dealers alike - and to be honest, bad games usually die pretty quickly. So my money is on the Jackpot to be running a fair game.

My gut says there may be some sprinkling of truth in this thread - but I worked those games for twenty years and am as paranoid as hell!

I remember when the EPT first started up, there was often a scandi keeping count of the rake every hour on a sheet of paper - that'd keep it right don't ya think?

Formation

Somewhere like Ennis with a small player pool you would have to be careful with the rake or you would be out of business in a short time especially if there were no table games supplementing revenues.

The Jackpots Dublin city centre location allows them to have a very high turnover of players so customer satasfaction is not as crucial to their bottom line.

Why won't they state how much they would rake from the hand and be done with the thread? Any other cardroom manager would tell you straight away.

Lplated

Formation wrote: »

Why won't they state how much they would rake from the hand and be done with the thread? Any other cardroom manager would tell you straight away.

Probably as easy to just let the thread slowly die away to the second page etc... Then they don't have to answer at all!

tournamentnoel

having played int he jackpot in a previous life, i have to admit that i always had concerned re raking.....generally the drunker the crowd - the easier the rake - as regards trusting a cardclub or a casino, sure they wouldnt want to take your money, would they? My advice - excellent local game in various pubs - good fun - no crazy roulette tables and blackjack to part u with ur hardearned cash.....dens of inequity like the jackpot,. fitz and voodoo should all be closed as ahealth hazrards - and never belive whta they tell u in the clubs - they'd say mass - again just my opinion - tournament noel

augustus gloop

the jackpots silence is somewhat deafening on this one, formation may have a point here, Paul came here with some well worded answers but when proposed a real life situation... no response.

tournamentnoel

what is the purpose of a casino - to part people with thier hardearned cash....have they any morality - this is a question of money, not morality.....are casinos (not just the jakpot) overraking - when 10 drunk people arrive in a cardclub / casino, would they have any idea if pots were being overraked answer) no - simply people, casinos are dens of inequity for the tormented - only function to deprive people of thier cash - :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: - my personal experience of the jackpot was essentially negative - simply place for students to sit and hatch and rob boozers - not aplace for proper poker players - simply a dive - avoid peeps - play in your local pub game with locals and enjoy a pint and give the jackpot and its cronies a wide berth.......

Lplated

To be fair - they are a business and entitled to charge for their services.

Obviously if you dislike the amount they charge you can leave and not pay that amount.

The question in this thread is slightly different - i.e. the clarity of the rake/fee in a specific context.

Regardless, it's open to people who read the thread to draw their own conclusions on the deafening silence.....

tournamentnoel

agreed......sorry to see the jackpot unable or unwilling to defend its nefarious practises.......punters, give these plcs a miss and visit ur local pub to play....better crack and seriously low rakes................

premierstone

tournamentnoel wrote: »

what is the purpose of a casino - to part people with thier hardearned cash....have they any morality - this is a question of money, not morality.....are casinos (not just the jakpot) overraking - when 10 drunk people arrive in a cardclub / casino, would they have any idea if pots were being overraked answer) no - simply people, casinos are dens of inequity for the tormented - only function to deprive people of thier cash - :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: - my personal experience of the jackpot was essentially negative - simply place for students to sit and hatch and rob boozers - not aplace for proper poker players - simply a dive - avoid peeps - play in your local pub game with locals and enjoy a pint and give the jackpot and its cronies a wide berth.......

tournamentnoel wrote: »

agreed......sorry to see the jackpot unable or unwilling to defend its nefarious practises.......punters, give these plcs a miss and visit ur local pub to play....better crack and seriously low rakes................

Two things I would point out to you noel, firstly you should familarise yourself with the libel laws in this country and secondly you should take a look at the gambling laws, it is illegal to play for cash in a pub.

Samba

It's a shame this thread descended into what it's now. There was a valid discussion to be had, well I guess the thread will at least serve to demonstrate how not to go about making a complaint. :pac:

Just for the record, I earned my living in Dublin card rooms for around 2 years and played casually for around 5, and this is something I've seen happen regularly, in just about every room I've played in.

SE, Jackpot, Fitz etc.

It usually happens after a period of low action activity and the dealer needs to make up the numbers. In this particular instance I honestly don't know, and I'm not going to comment on conjecture.


OP you've gone about this in the wrong manner, also your suggestion that you could simply implement a cap and still make up figures, essentially what you're saying is that there will always be enough action at the table that you could easily implement a cap.

What if you're dealing to a table full of nits, can you say with absolute certainty that they could easily achieve their hourly rate with a 5 or €10 cap? I'm not so sure...you might not even hit that cap once in a full hours play.

Ok my example was a bit far fetched, a table full of nits in Jackpot, yeah right

But you get my point.

When you're calculating rake on fly like they do, it's not easy to come up with any set formula that will 100% assure you meet your rates.

I will agree with you on one thing, if rake structures and how dealers are applying were more transparent, I probably wouldn't be posting on this thread right now.

Lplate is right, people will read this thread and make their own decision, but it's hard to decide whether the management simply opted to ignore you because they deemed you were just an incessant moaner (they not I!) or is it because there's something more sinister at play. Had you carried your complaint with a little more decorum, you'd be able to rule out the first possbility, as things stand this isn't the case i'm afraid.

Vote with your feet and don't play there if you're not happy.

Formation

I'm glad to see others are keeping this thread on the front page so that new customers will be aware of how the Jackpot does business.

If you want to contact the Jackpot directly if you are curious as to how much you are being charged you can do so by emailing them at info@thejackpot.ie and possibly post here what they have to say for themselves.

They have been posting regularly in this thread and are reading this thread on a regular basis - It will stay on the front page until Paul comes clean about how much he actually charges his customers!






The best way to deal with clubs who operate like this is to go elsewhere:

Fitzwilliam Card Club: http://fitzwilliamcardclub.com/
D1 Card Club: http://www.d1club.ie/
Voodoo Card Club: 40 Arran Quay Dublin 7, Co. Dublin, (01) 872 7918





















The question currently posed to the Jackpot is:

Paul,

This is probably the best way to put an end to this discussion while being transparent about your rake structure...

Can you detail how much would be raked out of this pot?

9 handed e1/2 game:

preflop:
UTG open to e20
UTG+1 calls e20
MP1 folds
MP2 calls e20
MP3 folds
CO calls e20
BUTTON calls e20
SB folds
BB goes all in for e80
UTG calls e60
UTG+1 calls e60
MP2 folds
CO folds
BUTTON calls e60

flop:
UTG bets e150
UTG+1 folds
BUTTON calls e150

turn:
UTG checks
BUTTON bets e250 all in
UTG folds

showdown between BB and BUTTON.

BB: AhAc
BUTTON: KhKc

board: 2c,4c,5h,9s,Jd

Paul can you tell me how much would be raked out of the above hand and detail how you decided on the amount of the rake?

GKidd

Formation wrote: »

I'm glad to see others are keeping this thread on the front page so that new customers will be aware of how the Jackpot does business.

If you want to contact the Jackpot directly if you are curious as to how much you are being charged you can do so by emailing them at info@thejackpot.ie and possibly post here what they have to say for themselves.

They have been posting regularly in this thread and are reading this thread on a regular basis - It will stay on the front page until Paul comes clean about how much he actually charges his customers!

Good luck in your crusade noble keyboard warrior. You can tell from the lack of 'thanks' at the bottom of your post how much interest peeps have in your quest. Nobody gives a **** so move on with your life

the_pits

Think it time for Mods to lock it up .......

Lplated

GKidd wrote: »

Good luck in your crusade noble keyboard warrior. You can tell from the lack of 'thanks' at the bottom of your post how much interest peeps have in your quest. Nobody gives a **** so move on with your life

You'd be surprised GKidd - people can support the general gist of a post without bothering to click the thanks button.

Probably a better indication of people's interest in the OPs quest is how many have read the thread.

2moreMinutes

What amazes me about this thread is that you can open to €20 and still get 5 callers at 1/2. I need to find myself a live game to play!