The Official Boxing at London Olympics Superthread - July 28-August 12

The_Kew_Tour

Just hope Nevin does not do any messing and showboating tonight. If he fights to potential he will win.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

I disagree. Conlan just doesn't have Nevin's ring IQ, which can't be taught, nor the physical skills to compensate for it. That said, he's still a great boxer in his own right and if he's around for the next Olympics I'm sure he'll be a big medal hope as well.

Whatever Conlon has it is world class. His first fight was a wee bit stale for me. Did well, but I was left wanting more. He showed his class in the last two fights. I really thought he boxed brilliantly last night. Them scores were a joke. That Cuban was getting them body scores I think whereas Conlon was most likely not. The Cuban was great, I admit that, but Conlon was with him all the way last night.

efb

I actually thing this is going to be a hum dinger of a fight tonight- I'm a big fan of Luke Campbell's style, but, COME ON NEVIN!!!

DDC1990

walshb wrote: »

Spreading rumours? I just happened to make a comment. I never said who they were or that JJN knew them. I said it was tragic and that IF he did know them that it could affect the lad. I read Mullingar. That was incorrect now it seems. End of!

As I said, I wasn't having a go, I just think you should be a bit more careful! Just my own opinion, not telling you what or what not to do, free world and all that.

Its not the end of the world, but you had a whole story concocted before the facts were out.

It more then likely had nothing to do with John Joe, and I was just pointing it out, thats all.

Sorry If I offended you, it wasn't my intention!

RIP to those involved. A whole family destroyed.

Librium

They need to make the medal fights 5 3 min rounds so we are absolutely sure the better boxer is progressing as it stands it's a lot of subjective scoring that is separating the majority of the fighters . Paddy Barnes fight needed at least one more round to tell the full story

walshb

DDC1990 wrote: »

As I said, I wasn't having a go, I just think you should be a bit more careful! Just my own opinion, not telling you what or what not to do, free world and all that.

Its not the end of the world, but you had a whole story concocted before the facts were out.

It more then likely had nothing to do with John Joe, and I was just pointing it out, thats all.

Sorry If I offended you, it wasn't my intention!

RIP to those involved. A whole family destroyed.

You did not offend me. I did say that I hadn't read up on the story. So, I hadn't concocted anything. I saw a headline. That was it. Nothing confirmed from me. I was careful not to state anything as fact!

Anyway, let's hope Nevin gives it his all tonight and brings back gold for Ireland.

walshb

Librium wrote: »

They need to make the medal fights 5 3 min rounds so we are absolutely sure the better boxer is progressing as it stands it's a lot of subjective scoring that is separating the majority of the fighters . Paddy Barnes fight needed at least one more round to tell the full story

Interesting thought that. 5 x 3 would see a big change in training. Major stamina boost needed.

DDC1990

Librium wrote: »

They need to make the medal fights 5 3 min rounds so we are absolutely sure the better boxer is progressing as it stands it's a lot of subjective scoring that is separating the majority of the fighters . Paddy Barnes fight needed at least one more round to tell the full story

That completly disadvantages the older fighters then, as the younger guys will be fitter.

You'll end up getting the fitter boxers rather then the best boxers.

I think the way its structured is fine. They are short enough to be exciting, and long enough to get the best winner out of most of the fights.

Where things need to change is the scoring, but thats a whole different animal.

yabadabado

DDC1990 wrote: »

That completly disadvantages the older fighters then, as the younger guys will be fitter.

You'll end up getting the fitter boxers rather then the best boxers.

I think the way its structured is fine. They are short enough to be exciting, and long enough to get the best winner out of most of the fights.

Where things need to change is the scoring, but thats a whole different animal.

There is talk that they will use the pro fight scoring model for Rio 2016.

Big Ears

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Why does every thread descend into a pro discussion.

Well in the past it would have happened a fair bit, as a lot of fighters turn pro after an Olympics, medal or not. So when their tournament comes to an end, the discussion starts as there's the possibility they may never fight amateur again.

Why it's happened somewhat now and is going to happen a lot more after is due to the fact Mr.Wu wants to turn amateur boxing into professional for his gain. The next Olympics will essentially see 3 round professional fights taking place, with nearly a quarter of the fighters (56 out of ~250) being fully fledged professionals.

Anyway I'm gonna curtail this before I go on a rant.

I think the occasion is going to get to Luke Campbell today. He froze somewhat in the World final for the first couple of rounds and I feel nerves have been a factor in his under par performances at this tournament so far.
Stylistically Campbell has the perfect style to beat Nevin, however John Joe seems to have improved from their bout last year, where as Campbell doesn't.
I thought JJN deserved the win in their fight last year, but if it's that close again the home fighter will get it.

He'll need to make it clear to be sure, so hopefully another performance like yesterday and it should be enough.

Syferus

I'd wonder if there is even much chance of a home-town decision in the ExCel when you're fighting an Irish boxer. At worst it'll be 50:50 and more than likely the Irish supporters will make the most noise. The judges are likely to be scared straight, if you will.

It's very unique that you'll have a situation where a home country boxer is facing a 'foreign' boxer in a final and the away support will be stronger. I don't think we can read too much into the old precedents tonight.

endswell

hope he does no shufflin this time, i dont mind it usually, but brits have been more than good to us this olympics in support for all sports (e.g. bbc on heffernan today).

what do you think are campbells strengths? he doesnt seem quick, footwork is ok, but he knows exactly when to throw his punches, and has power (i think)

walshb

Campbell too has Irish ties. Family over here. His family know the Nevin's.

walshb

endswell wrote: »

hope he does no shufflin this time, i dont mind it usually, but brits have been more than good to us this olympics in support for all sports (e.g. bbc on heffernan today).

what do you think are campbells strengths? he doesnt seem quick, footwork is ok, but he knows exactly when to throw his punches, and has power (i think)

His strengths are his range, work rate and speed. He is deceptively quick.

endswell

from sports forum:

Skid wrote: »

Just in case you haven't seen this

endswell

walshb wrote: »

endswell wrote: »

hope he does no shufflin this time, i dont mind it usually, but brits have been more than good to us this olympics in support for all sports (e.g. bbc on heffernan today).

what do you think are campbells strengths? he doesnt seem quick, footwork is ok, but he knows exactly when to throw his punches, and has power (i think)

His strengths are his range, work rate and speed. He is deceptively quick.

he didnt seem fast to me, obviously too deceptive for me!

gene_tunney

endswell wrote: »

he didnt seem fast to me, obviously too deceptive for me!

He's more powerful than Nevin, and has longer arms which facilitate a rangy style, but aside from that Nevin beats him in every department IMO, except stamina which Campbell may have an edge in.

Big Ears

endswell wrote: »

he didnt seem fast to me, obviously too deceptive for me!

Oh believe me Campbell is quick, very very quick and he's got great timing too.
He's my favourite boxer on the GB squad, beautiful to watch when at his best.

pcworldisajoke

watch boxing every now and again so im no expert, but to me campbell was tired out at the end of that fight and looked weak. John joe has improved a huge amount. Some of the digs JJN was throwing looked far more powerful. That ballsy Jap that campbell fought was awful and had no ability to move at all, and yet still got 11 in on campbell. The movement of Nevin is 10 times better than the Jap, and Campbell looked slightly worried to me .

Im Backing JJN in the bookies aswell, the price is a bit big. I reckon the pricves are only staying close because he might get a hometown decision

yore

Librium wrote: »

They need to make the medal fights 5 3 min rounds so we are absolutely sure the better boxer is progressing as it stands it's a lot of subjective scoring that is separating the majority of the fighters . Paddy Barnes fight needed at least one more round to tell the full story

3X3's is long enough.

Saying that is like saying they should change the 100m sprint to a mile so that you can be sure that the better runner gets through! It makes it a different sport.

JJN probably wouldn't have gotten near a medal in this competition with 5X3's. Not because he's not good enough but because he took a ferocious body shot in an earlier bout. He was able to last out the last half minute. He might not have lasted another 2 full rounds; that doesn't mean he wasn't the better boxer!! We wouldn't have gotten to see him give the Cuban a boxing lesson.

Swings and roundabouts!

yore

yabadabado wrote: »

There is talk that they will use the pro fight scoring model for Rio 2016.

Yeah, it could happen. It works ok on most club shows (20 point scoring) although technically you are still counting punches for that.

The story is that it went computerized after an outcry when Roy Jones got robbed.....and this time the Yanks didn't even medal...they're blaming the scoring but in truth the yanks train to box as pros as soon as they lace up the gloves and they're now making a lot of noises about wanting "pro-style" scoring.

I read a US article moaning that the computerised scoring only scored punches and didn't take into account the boxers aggressiveness and ring presence and charisma

anirishlad

sorry guys but what time is nevin fighting at?

Big Ears

anirishlad wrote: »

sorry guys but what time is nevin fighting at?

20:45 my good man.

efb

Anyone getting excited???

Syferus

Hell yes. Watching the last of the athletics on BBC's wonderful multi-screen system. The gold medal bout is the perfect send-off for our Olympics.

Big props to the Brits for putting on a wonderful and memorable Olympics and for being so gracious to our athletes. I was so proud to see us returning the favour at the ExCel.

gene_tunney

barney4001 wrote: »

That shuffling could well have cost nevin very dear he needs to cut that out at this level

True, it was dangerous, but I really enjoyed it.

efb

Tonight I'll be mostly watching Diving and Boxing!

Clareman

Oooh cmon John Joe, all over twitter today keeping an eye on this, nervous as a nervous thing here

moneyman

Very nervous but also confident. Come on John Joe!!!

AG2R

Thai boxer just got ****ing robbed

Maire2009

Come on John Joe

efb

The crowd didnt like that!

Nevin smiling and Campbell looks nervous.

cranky bollix

any links please in the uk they are not showing it

Clareman

Just said the same thing to the missus, cmon JJ

eigrod

C'mon John Joe

efb

4-8

djhaxman

3-5 after the first, about right imo.

Clareman

3-5, Campbell is picking his punches better here, just 2 punches, cmon JJ

CIARAN_BOYLE

5-3 to Campbell fwck it

Come one John Joe

AG2R

bit harsh but ah well,come on john joe!

efb

great round for nevin 7-3

Clareman

8-9 now I think, cmon JJ

Jimmy Magee is a numpty btw

Maire2009

9-8

Jeez the nerves again

COME ONE JOHN JOE

Kylo Ren

9-8 JJ.

votecounts

9-8 jj, c'mon jj

inmyday

efb wrote: »

great round for nevin 7-3

if only, I thought similar to you

Librium

corny wrote: »

I've a sizeable sum (well for me anyway) on JJ to win all three rounds. 6 to 1.

mugs game

votecounts

nervous

djhaxman

Not enough I reckon. Good fight though.