Will Ireland ever improve?

RobbieTheRobber

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I know it was a problem but I don't think the city was crawling with them the way it is now

I attached a link to the report and quoted the preface.
15% of 19 to 24 year old girls in inner city dublin would tell me it was crawling with them.

BraziliaNZ

Ok right well I'm going to lunch now, I'm just saying what's on my mind let's not take all this too personally, brb!

I am pie

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

In fairness to London they have a lot to deal with here, massive influx of foreigners that you really have to see to believe, racial tensions are dealt with quite well usually.
Have you been to Finland? They may drink a lot but the country runs very well.

What about Manchester, Birmingham and all those other cities?

So, UK & Ireland, which country has more problem socially? Go on....which has more problems with drink?

I think you're sorely lacking in perpective.

KerranJast

Don't forget the massive crime problems of the time. Recent gang warfare may be perceived to be bad but it's been nothing like the days when The General, Gilligan et al were loose.

invpat

As long as the same political class rule nothing will change.Do you really think Ruairi Quinn (a Labbour Minister) is worried about antics in the Phoenix Park when is driver is ferrying him to his holiday home in Roundstone in his state car (ok its not a garda driver) more than likely he is wondering what wine he and his banker brother Lochlinn will have for dinner, oh and then to fill in the expenses chit for his travel almost 1500 Euros for July last year.Its a big scam keep the plebs happy with scraps and keep the gravy going for the boys.No change here or ever.

RobbieTheRobber

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Ok right well I'm going to lunch now, I'm just saying what's on my mind let's not take all this too personally, brb!

You did make it personal you referred to the irish as pig ignorant in your OP, Im Irish and I take insult at being accussed of having a pig ignorant attitude.

Perhaps the real ignorant one is you, who armed with only a biased opinion formed solely from reading of tabloid media sources have come here to insult a nation of nearly 5 million. :rolleyes:

golden lane

I am pie wrote: »

What about Manchester, Birmingham and all those other cities?

So, UK & Ireland, which country has more problem socially? Go on....which has more problems with drink?

I think you're sorely lacking in perpective.

you are watching too much telly.......lol

Son Of A Vidic

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Ok right well I'm going to lunch now..

O.k. which reminds me, wait a sec........... FART!

Jaysus, must have been the......FART!

Feck, what's wrong with me..........FART!

I'm gonna have to excuse..........FART!

Diapason

The thing is, I get your rant, and it's hard to be objective about anything when we're in the middle of such a serious economic crisis, but change doesn't happen overnight. I agree with a lot of your criticisms about the mentality, but it's not across the board. There are plenty of people left who think things can be done better, and will be done better.

I must be feeling optimistic today, cos normally I spend my time just despairing of the scumbaggery.

damoz

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

In fairness to London they have a lot to deal with here, massive influx of foreigners that you really have to see to believe, racial tensions are dealt with quite well usually.
Have you been to Finland? They may drink a lot but the country runs very well.

Finland suicide rate 17.6 per 100,000, Ireland 11.8 per 100,000. Finland is no utopia either...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate#cite_note-11

I am pie

golden lane wrote: »

you are watching too much telly.......lol

Actually I am not, depsite your ill informed assumptions, I have friends and family in each on of those cities.

I am pretty well informed.

There were or there were not riots in Manchester and Birmingham last summer?

mikom

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Ok right well I'm going to lunch now, I'm just saying what's on my mind let's not take all this too personally, brb!

Enjoy your plate of sauerkraut and your glass of milk (half empty).

golden lane

I am pie wrote: »

Actually I am not, depsite your ill informed assumptions, I have friends and family in each on of those cities.

I am pretty well informed.

There were or there were not riots in Manchester and Birmingham last summer?

of course there were......but very few were affected.....just some people out to get a free ride......

if they had riots in the centre of every city in the uk.....less than ten percent of the population would be affected.......

there are 60 million people here......

the telly and the papers give the impression that everybody is rioting.....

it wasn't rioting anyway....it was telly grabbing.......

Funglegunk

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

With the mess that the country is in now financially, and socially (See Saturday in the Phoenix Park), do you think this country is actively progressive in it's nature? Evolving? Or just stuck in the same rut, a backwater always stuck behind the rest of the developed world. Our public transport is awful, same with healthcare, corruption is rife...

To be blunt... I sometimes cringe at how awful a country it is when reading newspapers online. I look around me here at the news here in the UK, science, politics, media and see a different world. Not perfect but a vast improvement on what Ireland does in almost every aspect, despite both countries having similar opportunities. The pig-ignorant Irish and their 'ah sure its just a bit of craic' and spineless 'its not my job, someone else will do it' mentality to every thing disgusts me and its something that filters through to every single facet of Irish society.

Read a story in any of those newspapers about corruption etc at the highest levels and you'll find half the commenters trying to crack wise. The hilarity. It's far easier to crack a crap pun than sum the intellect to ask a question or write to your local TD. It's the spineless insecure trait that really does it.

Even the drunks who were making a show of us on the world stage with their 'win or lose we're here for the booze' mentality at the euros. They're not fans. They're just drunken Paddies who are so insecure about losing or asking serious questions as to why we lost that they need to hide behind 'ah sure we're here for the craic and we're the best fans in the world' rubbish.

Having a bad day OP? I'll excuse your calling the Irish 'pig-ignorant' and let you calm down a bit. When you come back from lunch hopefully you'll realise you are painting a very rosy picture of the UK and maybe apply some balance and perspective to your comparison of Ireland to other countries.

rgmmg

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Has it improved? So poor people on the dole have xboxes and sky TV these days, which isn't really an improvement, but they are completely out of touch with everything and seem to be very angry. Were people getting beaten to death by teenagers or stabbed in the head with screwdrivers back then? Morals and decency and community are dead. Our leaders have shown us the way, to take all you can for yourself and not to care about anyone else.

The same could be said of any country - hardly unique to Ireland. The world is changing and we're all changing with it, not always for the better alas.

As to whether morals, decency and community are dead in Ireland, compare it to England which you seem to see as a beacon of progress and civility. You clearly don't live in the same area of London as I do, where a neighbour who slashed his wife's throat at the weekend didn't even make the regional news bulletins. It's a bigger economy so can more easily accomodate RBS and Lloyds scandals, with recent libor exposees suggesting it's not just old Paddy that's on the take.


As for the win, lose we're on the booze jibe, again, look at England in the Euros. Would they have exited at the group stage if they'd been in our group instead of us? Most likely considering how they were completely dominated by Italy.

Not too sure insight or incite is your motivation, but one thing Ireland shouldn't do anymore is take sh1t lying down like we did in the past. That's progress.

ToddyDoody

Ireland is..? Dont really have a comparison except that when i went to London for the first time a while back i came to dislike dublin for a bit. It is true that you can define ireland in many ways as 'what britain is not' and so you're almost forced to chose to like one and dislike the other! Maybe something similar is at play for the op.

EdenHazard

Everyone always thinks their own government sucks, Ireland's different in that(on boards anyway) there's loads who actually don't like the actual country which is understandable tbh. Its small, peripheral and changes that are happening elsewhere don't take on here in the same way, but then again not everywhere can be Tokyo or New York.

golden lane

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Ireland is..? Dont really have a comparison except that when i went to London for the first time a while back i came to dislike dublin for a bit. It is true that you can define ireland in many ways as 'what britain is not' and so you're almost forced to chose to like one and dislike the other! Maybe something similar is at play for the op.

i just think it's the valliun....

paddydriver

chin_grin wrote: »

Is someone reading Fifty Shades of Grey to come up with that username? :pac:

My wife got given a copy of that last night... pure filth I hear...

I Love It.. roll on the good times:D

I dont know if you can improve on perfection.

Dyr

Country was a dump through most of the tiger years but the money grubbing covered it up. No values, No real sense of identity, as a nation we stood for nothing and got taken for everything. I've given up on us a people tbh, a shower of c**ts

mikom

EdenHazard wrote: »

but then again not everywhere can be Tokyo or New York.

Thank fuck for that.

hooradiation

Deleted User wrote: »

I dont know if you can improve on perfection.

I for one look forward to the day this is actually a problem for us.

RobbieTheRobber

Bambi wrote: »

Country was a dump through most of the tiger years but the money grubbing covered it up. No values, No real sense of identity, as a nation we stood for nothing and got taken for everything. I've given up on us a people tbh, a shower of c**ts

This is just crap.
On what are you basing your opinion that the country was/is a dump?


I know that the WHO always rate us quite highly on quality of living surveys, maybe you need to stop reading the indo and actually live life.

http://www.mercer.com/qualityoflivingpr#city-rankings

Dublin was a top 20 city in the personal safety of cities in the world survey.
http://www.mercer.com/qualityoflivingpr#personal-safety

Or instead of expert opinions and fact based on serious crime per head of population we could all just read the indo the irish sun and the irish daily mail and hide behind our couches in fear of our lives.

Mr Benevolent

OP admits he takes his opinions from the media. That's enough to make me ignore the rest of his post.

Sea Filly

Bambi wrote: »

I've given up on us a people tbh, a shower of c**ts

I assume you're including yourself there?

Nodin

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

....... The pig-ignorant Irish ........

If that's your racist attitude, perhaps you'd be happier elsewhere.

Ray Palmer

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I was too young in the 80s to be aware of this stuff - was there a massive heroin problem then? Was Dublin city centre crawling with junkies? Were there as many drunks on the streets on a Saturday night? Was the country full of empty ghost estates? Were beauty spots polluted with one off housing due to brown envelopes?
Has it really improved?

Maybe too young as you don't seem to know what was going on. Yes there was a massive heroine problem then. Many ways worse than now. Drunks all over the place. Empty buildings everywhere. Boarded up shops on major streets in Dublin.
A lot of georgian buildings were destroyed during this time. The population in the city centre was destroyed. Many areas in the city and suburbs were no go areas.
Things improved and are no way close to as bad as they were.
Ops rant has complete lack of historical memory and no idea of other countries. A lack of economic reality too.
Consider Ireland was the biggest producer of software in the world for a number of years we can create jobs. We still are near the top.
We do have social issues like every country but actually people are pretty much equal. To compare the uk health system with ours is so stupid. Economy of scales apply.
Italy, Spain, Greece, uk etc all have corruption internationally reported on.
The thing that bothers me in this country who think problems here are somehow unique and have some high opinion of other countries without actually looking about.

Dyr

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

This is just crap.
On what are you basing your opinion that the country was/is a dump?


I know that the WHO always rate us quite highly on quality of living surveys, maybe you need to stop reading the indo and actually live life.

http://www.mercer.com/qualityoflivingpr#city-rankings

Dublin was a top 20 city in the personal safety of cities in the world survey.
http://www.mercer.com/qualityoflivingpr#personal-safety

Or instead of expert opinions and fact based on serious crime per head of population we could all just read the indo the irish sun and the irish daily mail and hide behind our couches in fear of our lives.

Who mentioned crime? You're being weird. I'm basing it on personal opinion my man nothing more

forfuxsake

Watched the UK news last night. Here's what I saw in the ifrst 4 stories:

1. Crisis in care -no money to pay for the car of senior citizens, over 40,000 people had to sell their homes to pay for care and yet people with no homes get it free. So of course people are now starting to sell their homes before they get too old and blowing the money on cruises and getting free care. Others are killing themselves as they want to have something to leave to their children. The whole systems is a shambles.

2. The banks, British banks have been illegally fixing interest rates causing thousands of people to lose their homes. The British banking system, as customers of Ulster Bank here will know, is a fúcking mess.

3.Security at the Olympic Games, the company responsible is 3000 security men short so they are having to call in the army(something that didn't even happen in Beijing)

4. Milk - the distributors of milk are forcing farmers to accept a wholesale price of milk that is 5p a pint less than cost. The government are asking farmers to go away and ensure they have cut their production costs down as much as they can. dairy farmers threatening to strike during olympics.


To be honest the main difference I see is that Irish people like to boast about how shyte their country is, British people like to boast about how great their's is. So if ye are running around England telling everybody how shyte it is in Ireland maybe you should have a cup of shut the fúck up and just stay put.

No country is perfect but bitching about it from afar helps no-one.

MarkHitide

The fact that we tolerated a governments lead by Bertie Ahern and his pals for so long says something of how disengaged with national government we are. The fact we replaced them with one lead by Enda Kenny re-inforces it.

Dyr

Sea Filly wrote: »

I assume you're including yourself there?

No, I am now le outsider, similarez to le albert camus. Youse all disgustez moui

Sea Filly

Bambi wrote: »

No, I am now le outsider, similarez to le albert camus. Youse all disgustez moui

C*nt, so! :pac::P

trevp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUreokkjadmq9iBCHzl8ee0w&v=at1EPPp0Dko&feature=player_detailpage

Eve_Dublin

OP I lived in the UK for 3 years - 2 years in London, 1 years in the midlands. I've no idea where you live in London but parts of my area were cordoned off on a regular basis because of stabbings. My own parents visited me and were outside a pub and saw a man kicked to death and left there. They were the only ones who called the ambulance.

Midlands was bleak. The city I lived in is supposedly the 3rd worst city to live in in the world. Most nights we'd hear car chases, gun shots and thhe street I lived on was lined with prostitutes, most of them drug addicts, most nights.

There was a massive crack problem there and the cities were crammed full of people off their heads.

It's very easy to live in a bubble in London and ignore the fact that London is not the UK. I dunno about you, but I tended to stick to one part of the city, so didn't know what was going on in other parts. If you lived in West London, for example, it could be very easy to never step foot in East London hence have no idea what's going on there.



I live in Spain now. The Spain you know from your holidays is a very different country to the one we live on a daily basis. It's tough to survive and the only reason I'm here at this stage is the weather and my boyfriend is finishing up a masters and can't leave 'till then otherwise I'd be out of here like a shot.

Austerity measures have been carried out recently that are much more severe than Ireland's. For example, the VAT has been increased to 23% in the last few days and the average base salary here is 641 Euro a month.

Public healthcare IS great but the system is MASSIVELY in debt. Basically the councils are not paying what is owed and using the money elsewhere. Public education is slowly but surely becoming privatised.

Corruption is rife and one of two parties will only ever be voted in, like the States.

The dole has a limited time frame and after that, you're on your own.

50% unemployment among young people, 24.2.% among everyone else.

Madrid city is bankrupt.

Most young people are supported by their parents and still live at home.

Spanish might not be big drinkers but are massive cocaine takers...walked home last night from the theatre to find a guy sitting on the step of my flats snorting coke. It's everywhere and it ain't pretty.

Things here are REALLY desperate....not comparable to Ireland hence the mass protests.

I wish the Irish protested more but the Greeks and Spanish (but only among one sector of society) have protested mainly because things have become so intolerable. You can really feel it day to day and only the sunshine makes it bearable. I'm not exaggerating.



I don't completely disagree with all you've said but Ireland isn't the worst, not by a long shot. That doesn't make it any better but just to make it clear that I hear people say similar things to what you've said here....I hear it most days from my students. People are angry and desperate. I heard it in the UK too.

BraziliaNZ

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

You did make it personal you referred to the irish as pig ignorant in your OP, Im Irish and I take insult at being accussed of having a pig ignorant attitude.

Perhaps the real ignorant one is you, who armed with only a biased opinion formed solely from reading of tabloid media sources have come here to insult a nation of nearly 5 million. :rolleyes:

You're right, I got caught up in the rant - I withdraw. Afterall my dear mother is Irish too

KerranJast

MarkHitide wrote: »

The fact that we tolerated a governments lead by Bertie Ahern and his pals for so long says something of how disengaged with national government we are. The fact we replaced them with one lead by Enda Kenny re-inforces it.

People may not have warmed to Enda pre-election (he was in and around 20% popularity afair) but he went up to 65% popularity last year dropping back to 42% this year after the budget.

You may not agree with his policies or like him but a fairly large chunk of the voting population think he's doing a decent job given the circumstances.

BraziliaNZ

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

O.k. which reminds me, wait a sec........... FART!

Jaysus, must have been the......FART!

Feck, what's wrong with me..........FART!

I'm gonna have to excuse..........FART!

You are so extremely witty

ejmaztec

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

You are so extremely witty

Being in the EU, we're all affected by Brussels, but he's more affected by the sprouts.

BraziliaNZ

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

OP I lived in the UK for 3 years - 2 years in London, 1 years in the midlands. I've no idea where you live in London but parts of my area were cordoned off on a regular basis because of stabbings. My own parents visited me and were outside a pub and saw a man kicked to death and left there. They were the only ones who called the ambulance.

Midlands was bleak. The city I lived in is supposedly the 3rd worst city to live in in the world. Most nights we'd hear car chases, gun shots and thhe street I lived on was lined with prostitutes, most of them drug addicts, most nights.

There was a massive crack problem there and the cities were crammed full of people off their heads.

It's very easy to live in a bubble in London and ignore the fact that London is not the UK. I dunno about you, but I tended to stick to one part of the city, so didn't know what was going on in other parts. If you lived in West London, for example, it could be very easy to never step foot in East London hence have no idea what's going on there.



I live in Spain now. The Spain you know from your holidays is a very different country to the one we live on a daily basis. It's tough to survive and the only reason I'm here at this stage is the weather and my boyfriend is finishing up a masters and can't leave 'till then otherwise I'd be out of here like a shot.

Austerity measures have been carried out recently that are much more severe than Ireland's. For example, the VAT has been increased to 23% in the last few days and the average base salary here is 641 Euro a month.

Public healthcare IS great but the system is MASSIVELY in debt. Basically the councils are not paying what is owed and using the money elsewhere. Public education is slowly but surely becoming privatised.

Corruption is rife and one of two parties will only ever be voted in, like the States.

The dole has a limited time frame and after that, you're on your own.

50% unemployment among young people, 24.2.% among everyone else.

Madrid city is bankrupt.

Most young people are supported by their parents and still live at home.

Spanish might not be big drinkers but are massive cocaine takers...walked home last night from the theatre to find a guy sitting on the step of my flats snorting coke. It's everywhere and it ain't pretty.

Things here are REALLY desperate....not comparable to Ireland hence the mass protests.

I wish the Irish protested more but the Greeks and Spanish (but only among one sector of society) have protested mainly because things have become so intolerable. You can really feel it day to day and only the sunshine makes it bearable. I'm not exaggerating.



I don't completely disagree with all you've said but Ireland isn't the worst, not by a long shot. That doesn't make it any better but just to make it clear that I hear people say similar things to what you've said here....I hear it most days from my students. People are angry and desperate. I heard it in the UK too.

I'm not blinded by London at all, I know it has lots of problems but it feels like they are progressive here and actually try and tackle issues head on. If Covent Garden, a massive tourist location, was crawling with heroin addicts like Dublin city centre, I've no doubt Boris would do something about it.
And when the expenses scandal was big news here, they did something about it, they imprisoned people. Why is Ivor Callelly walking the streets?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_parliamentary_expenses_scandal#Criminal_charges

andy1249

I was too young in the 80s to be aware of this stuff - was there a massive heroin problem then?Was Dublin city centre crawling with junkies?

Absolutely , almost the same as now , except then the Stephens green was swamped with em as well , it was a bloody dangerous place in the 80's.
James St. and Thomas St. was like a scene from the walking dead most weekends.
Anyone going to NCAD at the time used to be terrified of the walk up to it.

Were there as many drunks on the streets on a Saturday night?

That has always been the case in this country , it hasn't changed , and beer was a lot cheaper back then than it is now.

Was the country full of empty ghost estates?

No one was building because no one had the money for it , there was no M50 , and getting across the city took hours with the state of the roads, Gardener St , Parnell St, Abbey St. and pretty much all the streets around Smithfield were going back to nature , in that most of the buildings were derelict and had grass and trees growing out of the brickwork , I **** you not ! In fact the City Center north of the river was hardly better than a shanty town.

Were beauty spots polluted with one off housing due to brown envelopes?

I can only speak for Dublin , I rarely if ever had the money to go anywhere else in the Country , and not much qualified in Dublin in the 80's to be called a Beauty spot.

Has it really improved?

It has improved immensely , without a shadow of a doubt.

Eve_Dublin

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I'm not blinded by London at all, I know it has lots of problems but it feels like they are progressive here and actually try and tackle issues head on. If Covent Garden, a massive tourist location, was crawling with heroin addicts like Dublin city centre, I've no doubt Boris would do something about it.
And when the expenses scandal was big news here, they did something about it, they imprisoned people. Why is Ivor Callelly walking the streets?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_parliamentary_expenses_scandal#Criminal_charges

Covent Garden is one thing but what about just outside the centre away from the tourism? What was done about the stabbings (and the drug dealing, drug addicts, robberies etc) in my area that happened on a regular basis? Perhaps Dublin is smaller so it's harder to hide the problem like in London. Just cos you can't see this happen right in the centre of London, doesn't mean it's not happening elsewhere (and not that far from the centre)

Reminds me of third world countries pushing the poor out to the outskirts for the Olympics to give the impression all is well. Don't believe all you see.

And again, London is not the entirety of the UK or even England. Settle down in a city more North and see how it compares.

Lived in Edinburgh too....bigger heroin problem there and regular fights outside my flat in the centre most weekend nights. And this is not Glasgow I'm talking about.


As I said, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but I really believe there's a hell of a lot you haven't seen in that country.

CucaFace

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Has it improved? So poor people on the dole have xboxes and sky TV these days, which isn't really an improvement, but they are completely out of touch with everything and seem to be very angry. Were people getting beaten to death by teenagers or stabbed in the head with screwdrivers back then? Morals and decency and community are dead. Our leaders have shown us the way, to take all you can for yourself and not to care about anyone else.

So you trying to tell me that this isn't the same over in the UK?

Really?

Have you forgotten the London Riots last year already?


As for your pop at the fantastic Irish fans who did nothing but be an absoulte credit to the country for 2 weeks over the Euro's is just pathetic.

Not real fans?

By the way where the hell were you for the Euro's? Or did the REAL fans like you refuse to travel to the event itself.

BraziliaNZ

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Covent Garden is one thing but what about just outside the centre away from the tourism? What was done about the stabbings (and the drug dealing, drug addicts, robberies etc) in my area that happened on a regular basis? Perhaps Dublin is smaller so it's harder to hide the problem like in London. Just cos you can't see this happen right in the centre of London, doesn't mean it's not happening elsewhere (and not that far from the centre)

Reminds me of third world countries pushing the poor out to the outskirts for the Olympics to give the impression all is well. Don't believe all you see.

And again, London is not the entirety of the UK or even England. Settle down in a city more North and see how it compares.

Lived in Edinburgh too....bigger heroin problem there and regular fights outside my flat in the centre most weekend nights. And this is not Glasgow I'm talking about.


As I said, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but I really believe there's a hell of a lot you haven't seen in that country.

I live in Brixton I'm not oblivious to it. I was saying Cov Garden because it's a tourist trap like Dublin city centre, which is riddled with junkies. I spent a year in Edinburgh living on Nicolson st which you probably know, and Leith, the heroin problem is nowhere near as out in the open as it is in Dublin from my experiences.

BraziliaNZ

CucaFace wrote: »

By the way where the hell were you for the Euro's? Or did the REAL fans like you refuse to travel to the event itself.

I should have not mentioned the UK as now it's just a thread saying things are as bad in England, which makes everything ok in Ireland.
I don't consider myself any type of fan.

Eve_Dublin

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I live in Brixton I'm not oblivious to it. I was saying Cov Garden because it's a tourist trap like Dublin city centre, which is riddled with junkies.

But Dublin is tiny. Not comparable to London. The rough parts aren't as far out as Brixton...they're right there in the centre....Convent Garden is a posh part of town....just like you're not going to see as many addicts South of the Liffey either....


But I do agree with you on this point....the amount of addicts in Dublin is pretty shocking. Just as shocking in London though if you go to the rough parts. I saw plenty of it in Brixton when I spent a few weeks there a couple of years ago. This doesn't make the situation in Dublin any more justified though....

Saying that, visited Dublin a few months ago with my boyfriend and warned him that he might find the amount of addicts in the centre shocking....dunno if they'd taken the day off or what but it seemed to have improved....

Eve_Dublin

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I should have not mentioned the UK as now it's just a thread saying things are as bad in England, which makes everything ok in Ireland.
I don't consider myself any type of fan.

And Spain! I suppose people can only comment on places they've lived in otherwise it's guess work....and I guess most Irish, if they've in another EU country, would have lived in England.

BraziliaNZ

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

But Dublin is tiny. Not comparable to London. The rough parts aren't as far out as Brixton...they're right there in the centre....Convent Garden is a posh part of town....just like you're not going to see as many addicts South of the Liffey either....


But I do agree with you on this point....the amount of addicts in Dublin is pretty shocking. Just as shocking in London though if you go to the rough parts. I saw plenty of it in Brixton when I spent a few weeks there a couple of years ago.

Saying that, visited Dublin a few months ago with my boyfriend and warned him that he might find the amount of addicts in the centre shocking....dunno if they'd taken the day off or what but it seemed to have improved....

I've never seen a heroin addict in Brixton, I was saying this to some locals recently. I think crack is drug du jour right now. Anyway I just wanted to rant about Eire, because it's continously letting people down and people are continually emigrating and I can't see it improving.

CucaFace

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I should have not mentioned the UK as now it's just a thread saying things are as bad in England, which makes everything ok in Ireland.
I don't consider myself any type of fan.

You don't consider yourself any type of fan yet you seem to think you can go and make the comments you just made about the fans were actually supported their side and went to Poland?

And you didnt just meantion the UK, you basically stated it is something we here in Ireland should be looking at as beacon of enlightenment to improve our social issues here.

Shocking and downright ridicules statement to make.

I am pie

CucaFace wrote: »

You don't consider yourself any type of fan yet you seem to think you can go and make the comments you just made about the fans were actually supported their side and went to Poland?

And you didnt just meantion the UK, you basically stated it is something we here in Ireland should be looking at as beacon of enlightenment to improve our social issues here.

Shocking and downright ridicules statement to make.

He's sorry he mentioned the football as his statement has been shown up to be completely ridiculous.

He's sorry he mentioned the UK because too many of things he complained about in Ireland exist there too.