Keep Calm And Discuss Retro Generally!

Jack burton

Controller does look pretty slick.

I do like how a lot of things now are returning to a more basic design. For a few years there everything had to be curves, looks like these big companies are finally discovering the rulers they are thrown in the corner for years.

I'm banking on the iphone 6(?) looking like this

o1s1n

Retr0gamer wrote: »

So the 360 was called the 360 because MS thought people would look at the Xbox 2 and think it was less powerful than the PS3. Now the new Xbox is the XBox One?

Is there an echo in here?!

Retr0gamer

o1s1n wrote: »

Is there an echo in here?!

Everything is moving so fast I can't keep up.

o1s1n

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Everything is moving so fast I can't keep up.

Viagra is the solution.

Retr0gamer

So does anyone think the 360 or PS3 will be remembered as classic games machines? I really can't see it myself for the 360, the PS3 I think will be more fondly remembered. I don't see a lot of current gen games really aging well.

o1s1n

We may look back on the 360 in the same light we do the Saturn for shmup ports.

Other than that... Dark Souls and Child of Eden..can't really think of anything else timeless?

Retr0gamer

o1s1n wrote: »

We may look back on the 360 in the same light we do the Saturn for shmup ports.

Other than that... Dark Souls and Child of Eden..can't really think of anything else timeless?

Bullet hell shooters, meh. The saturn was a much better shmup machine.

Retr0gamer

And pushed out on to the table while people are focused on other matters is this tidbit of information:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/407912/microsoft-confirms-pre-owned-fee-for-xbox-one/

Andrew76

Retr0gamer wrote: »

So does anyone think the 360 or PS3 will be remembered as classic games machines? I really can't see it myself for the 360, the PS3 I think will be more fondly remembered. I don't see a lot of current gen games really aging well.

I would have thought the 360 shone brighter than the heap that is the PS3 (and I don't mean the red lights :pac:).

Retr0gamer

Andrew76 wrote: »

I would have thought the 360 shone brighter than the heap that is the PS3.

At the start yes. It had some nice exclusives like Gears of War and third party games run much better. XBLA was a revelation as well with some nice exclusive indie games. In the last few years exclusives on the 360 have dried up while the PS3 has got some really great exclusive content and stepped up their game with PSN. Developers have moved away from XBLA but PSN has still been quite good. I much preferred the 360 but in the last few years the PS3 has been on top by a considerable margin.

Jack burton

Only time will tell really.

So future rarities on the way in the next year for the 360?

Retr0gamer

MS have dropped development on the 360. Only rarities seem to be the PAL version of Tales of Vesperia.

the groutch

Retr0gamer wrote: »

MS have dropped development on the 360. Only rarities seem to be the PAL version of Tales of Vesperia.

and even that they did a re-print

Retr0gamer

the groutch wrote: »

and even that they did a re-print

Was it not only in the US?

Retr0gamer

£27.99 on amazon, seems so.

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy

DinoRex wrote: »

The only positive thing I can say about the new Xbox is that the controller looks sort of nice, but I'd need a better look at the trigger buttons.

It's probably the controller I hate the most, I haven't seen the new one yet

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy

Earthbound tee on Shirt Punch ( buuut shipping is super long "Canada Post, Small Packet International ... 3-6 Weeks" still waiting on mine, just about 3 weeks now, for faster postage is $30 CAD)

unky chop chop

I think Xbox ran the scene looking back.
Xbox live was a phonomenon,and Sony just followed.
Achievements, kenetic etc.
At the end of the current gen the two have come in line with leaps in gaming.
Looks like microsoft are moving towards the multimedia angle with xbox one and hopefully moulding great innovations.
Still at the end of the day I would always feel like a spastic talking to my console,since rainbow six nothing has changed.its easier and quicker to push a button!
Bring on the games

the groutch

I think somebody had been watching Back To The Future 2 when they came up with the talking to your console idea.

Nerdkiller1991

Hoped I wouldn't dig up this gem again, but with The Xbox One having you to be online to activate a game disc (and charging full price to activate a used copy of all things), it seems relevant to post it.

Dr Bob

..blocked used games, requiring a net connection for pretty much the sole reason of checking that you're not doing anything MS dont want you to?
so..at what point did console manafacturers flat out drop any pretense that they didnt actively hate their customers?
(..also when you start making Sony look like the good guys , you are doing something seriously wrong..)
Its PC gaming for me from now on.
Might pick up a 360 in a year or two for the few exlusivesssSS!!!11 I missed as a ps3 owner.
The 1/one/whatever is zero use to me as a retro collector so probably will miss it completely (might pick up a dead one in a few years just to 'have' for the collection, dont see myself playing it though..

Retr0gamer

So we have CD keys now with the Xbox One to tie our games to our accounts. Also for single player games your xbox needs to be connected to the internet once every 24 hours or you can't play them. Sounds like that time MS banned me for not cancelling my XBOX Live subscription on a temporary credit card and removed my access from the XBLA games I owned because I couldn't connect to XBox Live.

murphyebass

After watching the video yesterday I think I'm more inclined to skip this new gen although ill probably pick up a wii u in time for Zelda and Mario etc..

All this it's the only unit u need for entertainment **** and having to be online 24/7 **** does my head in.

I think I'm getting old.

I was playing sonic 2 last night after all. What a game!

Jack burton

I read an interview about trading games with friends and it said "Bringing a game to your friends house and playing on your account gives you permission to play it there"....eh the price tags gives me all the permission! Sony can really capitalise now because the xbox one announcement is already going down as a disaster.

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

So we have CD keys now with the Xbox One to tie our games to our accounts. Also for single player games your xbox needs to be connected to the internet once every 24 hours or you can't play them. Sounds like that time MS banned me for not cancelling my XBOX Live subscription on a temporary credit card and removed my access from the XBLA games I owned because I couldn't connect to XBox Live.

I havn't read any updates since logging off last night, last I heard MS came out & denied you needed to purchase a pass for used games? Has it been reconfirmed again? Whats this 24 hour thing, is it for real? If so, thats the decision made for what Father Xmas might bring this year

Retr0gamer

EnterNow wrote: »

I havn't read any updates since logging off last night, last I heard MS came out & denied you needed to purchase a pass for used games? Has it been reconfirmed again? Whats this 24 hour thing, is it for real? If so, thats the decision made for what Father Xmas might bring this year

It's all confirmed. Eurogamer had Phil Harrison explain it to them then were called back in for another interview while he tried to clarify it some more:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-22-phil-harrison-tries-again-to-clarify-game-ownership-second-hand-sales-and-always-online-in-xbox-one

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It's all confirmed. Eurogamer had Phil Harrison explain it to them then were called back in for another interview while he tried to clarify it some more:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-22-phil-harrison-tries-again-to-clarify-game-ownership-second-hand-sales-and-always-online-in-xbox-one

If Sony are not going to do similar, then MS are taking a huge risk with this system

The Last Bandit

Sony already confirmed that there are no plans or mechanism played in place to prevent used discs being sold/played (for now at least).

Personally, I think its a great idea as it means I won't now be buying an Xbox and can use the funds for more retro purchases

Myrddin

You know you're doing something wrong, when you make Sony look good. And I know I've been really critical of Sony in the past, but just give me a games console & some games...Sony can do that. MS want me to have to have Kinect, wave my arms around like an idiot, have great tv features that'll never be available over here, have to be online every 24 hours, have to pay for a licence for a used game...jeez, take my money Sony. And also, PS+!! How amazing is that service....MS have it all do to do sway me it seems

CiDeRmAn

Just getting around to reading up on this Xbox One doohickey.
What a frakking fup up.
So, as we are all collectors and looking ahead to the days when the console will be getting on, if they decide to shut down the servers some day bang goes your game library.
It also gives Ms control of your purchases, in fact all we'll be buying is the right to use their games, if they want to yank that permission they potentially can, akin to the behaviour of Amazon with Kindle purchases.
I think I'll buy another Jaguar instead!

Andrew76

EnterNow wrote: »

You know you're doing something wrong, when you make Sony look good. And I know I've been really critical of Sony in the past, but just give me a games console & some games...Sony can do that. MS want me to have to have Kinect, wave my arms around like an idiot, have great tv features that'll never be available over here, have to be online every 24 hours, have to pay for a licence for a used game...jeez, take my money Sony. And also, PS+!! How amazing is that service....MS have it all do to do sway me it seems

Lol I'm not sure arm waving will be mandatory, presumably you can still operate the machine with the controller. But even if you can't, nobody is going to see you looking like an idiot or else just perfect some gangster style poses. :pac:

I don't like the idea of the camera being on all the time and the machine being connected to the net.

That Phil Harrison link above is a PR mess. He's talking BS and contradicting himself. How I read it is: you buy a game, install it, register it to your account. You can only play that game for free on another machine if you are logged in using your own profile. Otherwise you have to pay (presumably close to full price).

Having to connect at least once a day to play your own games (even single player) is basically just an extended rental agreement, you no longer properly own the game like you do with a 360 disc.

Myrddin

Aye I'm sure the pad will suffice & the arm waving won't be mandatory But the Kinect will be mandatory, the console won't work without it. Its a camera on all the time, it has a mic listening all the time, it phones home at least once a day...jeez, 1984 material :pac:

Seriously though, Kinect is another box to have to find a space for, more wires, another plug probably...I just don't want to have to have it.

The used games thing is a the big one for me though, & I know in the eyes of the law you never really 'own' your games in the way we perceive owning them, but if the PS4 allows me to avail of 3 for 2 offers, & €10/€15 used games a while down the line, then happy days.

The Last Bandit

Read thru the vague specs for it but can't seem to find if has RF out anymore ?

the groutch

my concern is that they'll try apply this single licence s*** to the 360 versions of games also released on XB1

CiDeRmAn

Andrew76 wrote: »

I don't like the idea of the camera being on all the time and the machine being connected to the net.

So, care will be needed in case all your Xbla friends and contacts wind up seeing your junk flying around while you try to control your Blu ray player with the new Kinect and your penis!

OwaynOTT

Hi guys, thought I might get some advice here.
Recently bought a yellow 3ds XL off eBay from a trusted seller with over 2000 positive feedback.
Got a mail from him saying there was a delay on the stock and could I wait.
Waited to the expected arrival no sigh, so refund.
No contact from seller within 24 hours after previously being quite verbose, so opend a dispute on eBay. Got bounced to PayPal so opend it there.
Dispute was them closed by seller as he offered a full refund.
Status pending until account cleared.
Email from PayPal this morning saying refund failed.
Can't reopen a case through either PayPal or eBay as according to them, I got my full refund.
There advice is to contact seller.

Is there anything I can do here? It's €195!

Andrew76

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

So, care will be needed in case all your Xbla friends and contacts wind up seeing your junk flying around while you try to control your Blu ray player with the new Kinect and your penis!

Hmm, a bit disturbing you thinking about my "junk".

Wonder will the machine still work if you cover the camera or turn it to the wall etc.

Retr0gamer

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Hi guys, thought I might get some advice here.
Recently bought a yellow 3ds XL off eBay from a trusted seller with over 2000 positive feedback.
Got a mail from him saying there was a delay on the stock and could I wait.
Waited to the expected arrival no sigh, so refund.
No contact from seller within 24 hours after previously being quite verbose, so opend a dispute on eBay. Got bounced to PayPal so opend it there.
Dispute was them closed by seller as he offered a full refund.
Status pending until account cleared.
Email from PayPal this morning saying refund failed.
Can't reopen a case through either PayPal or eBay as according to them, I got my full refund.
There advice is to contact seller.

Is there anything I can do here? It's €195!

Jesus, have you rang paypal and ebay and told them what happened, usually a phone call does more than an email.

valleyoftheunos

Have only read a bit about Xbox One but can't say I'm particularly, it looks weird, I don't want to have to use Kinect, I don't want a "Relationship" with my TV FFS, I don't want it to have to have an internet connection, I want to be able to swap games with my mates, I don't want to have to pay for an online membership to use half the features. the games are going to have to be really impressive to interest me.

In fairness PS4 far from blew me away either and at this rate it'll probably be 2015 before I buy any next generation hardware but right now Steam is looking more and more the way to go.

OwaynOTT

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Jesus, have you rang paypal and ebay and told them what happened, usually a phone call does more than an email.

Yeah rang paypal. Couldn't find there number and I was freaking out, as the email they sent when it failed,basically had a vibe of your ****ed!
Got it sorted. That's some bleedin' loophole for scammers though.

What a way to start the day but the good news is I have €200 in my paypal again.

Myrddin

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Yeah rang paypal. Couldn't find there number and I was freaking out, as the email they sent when it failed,basically had a vibe of your ****ed!
Got it sorted. That's some bleedin' loophole for scammers though.

What a way to start the day but the good news is I have €200 in my paypal again.

So what actually happened, he was able to close the dispute simply by saying "yeah I refunded the buyer"??

OwaynOTT

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Jesus, have you rang paypal and ebay and told them what happened, usually a phone call does more than an email.

EnterNow wrote: »

So what actually happened, he was able to close the dispute simply by saying "yeah I refunded the buyer"??

Whoever looked for their refund straight away got refunded as he hadnt time to transfer it to his bank account.
Whoever foolishly believed him and waited got caught as he had the money transferred from his paypal to his account and withdrawn.
So he can close the dispute by giving a refund knowing that paypal will not be able to get money from his paypal balance or his linked bank account.
But because he offered a refund the dispute can't be reopened.
Lucky I was still inside the 45 days I think.

He had decent feedback up until recently but just looked there now and he has gotten a few negatives where he has pulled this stunt.


Paypal refunded the funds so its all good.

o1s1n

Banks can cover you in these issues too. If you ever cant get anywhere with Paypal, give your bank's credit card dept a ring.

Retr0gamer

OwaynOTT

o1s1n wrote: »

Banks can cover you in these issues too. If you ever cant get anywhere with Paypal, give your bank's credit card dept a ring.

It was all paypal money. Never came from my card or bank.

DinoRex

o1s1n

OwaynOTT wrote: »

It was all paypal money. Never came from my card or bank.

Ah right

To avoid those issues, this is what I tend to do.

Someone pays me money via paypal -> extracted from paypal to my bank account ASAP
If I then want to send a payment via paypal ->payment sent via credit card

At no point would I trust paypal to have my money sitting in their account with no links to anything else. Have heard far too many horror stories of them freezing accounts...and now yours to add to it too!

Nerdkiller1991

DinoRex

This sums up the whole event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

Dr Bob

Heres a question
Factory sealed copy of alundra 2 on ps1.. worth anything?, or a trade for a bagatayto item?