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DinoRex

And of course none of those web links are functioning any more.

It's like a grim view of the future of games consoles.

Nerdkiller1991

Today is the 20th anniversary of the release of the Super Mario Bros. movie.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9123782/the-strange-case-super-mario-bros-movie

KeRbDoG

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

Today is the 20th anniversary of the release of the Super Mario Bros. movie.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9123782/the-strange-case-super-mario-bros-movie

Thats one of those crimes against humanity that people want to forget right?

Retr0gamer

James Rolfe reviews it:

http://cinemassacre.com/2013/05/28/super-mario-bros-1993-movie-review/

Retr0gamer

It's a weird movie, I heard the writers of Max Headroom wrote the script. What were they thinking?

Nerdkiller1991

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Thats one of those crimes against humanity that people want to forget right?

You should really try watching the movie again. It's so hilarious in its badness. Just like the Street Fighter movie.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It's a weird movie, I heard the writers of Max Headroom wrote the script. What were they thinking?

I think they discussed that in the link from my last post.

Retr0gamer

New Sonic looks very good. Reminds me of Sonic Xtreme

johnny_ultimate

Retr0gamer wrote: »

New Sonic looks very good

For the love of *non denominational prophet* don't make us pull out that Sonic Cycle jpeg again!

DinoRex

Not sure about the character design on the bad guys... got a bit of a Space Jame bang off them.

richymcdermott

sonic lost world looks like its going to better than mario galaxy

Atavan-Halen

Just done a half an hour workout with Mel B on the Xbox. She's left me a broken man

But I'm going to stick to it and see if I get any results!

Myrddin

richymcdermott wrote: »

sonic lost world looks like its going to better than mario galaxy

I seriously doubt that

Retr0gamer

richymcdermott wrote: »

sonic lost world looks like its going to better than mario galaxy

richymcdermott

Myrddin

There's more hope of Atavan starting a self help group than there is of a modern Sonic game being 1) actually any good, and 2) coming anywhere close to Mario Galaxy

Steve X2

Retr0gamer wrote: »

New Sonic looks very good. Reminds me of Sonic Xtreme

CiDeRmAn

Who knows, a good Sonic game made outside the 1990's, perhaps...
But it's be loath to judge the quality of a game based on the trailer or a cut scene, might as well chuck your taste in games in the nearest bin and become a games journo!
Isn't Galaxy 2 better than Galaxy?
I can relax now, once that question filled me with worry, but no more because I own them both!

johnny_ultimate

atavan-halen wrote: »

Just done a half an hour "workout" with Mel B on the Xbox. She's left me a broken manhood

But I'm going to stick it in and see if I get any results!

^^^ I'm really sorry, couldn't resist

krudler

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Who knows, a good Sonic game made outside the 1990's, perhaps...
But it's be loath to judge the quality of a game based on the trailer or a cut scene, might as well chuck your taste in games in the nearest bin and become a games journo!
Isn't Galaxy 2 better than Galaxy?
I can relax now, once that question filled me with worry, but no more because I own them both!

I prefer Galaxy 2, its more of the same but everything just feels...nicer? the level design is amazing too, and the music is fooking brilliant, had a huge grin on my face when I heard the Throwback Galaxy level music.

Nerdkiller1991

WOOOO! That's the first time in god only knows how long that I've been excited for a Sonic game, but I have to say...what role, if any, is Eggman gonna play in this?

johnny_ultimate

Here's the thing though: if they haven't come even remotely close to nailing the standard, linear 3D Sonic game, how the hell are they going to manage throwing in all manner of other dimensional shenanigans (the answer is, frankly, they won't - they're almost without exception incoherent messes already).

Also, the only 'problem' with Mario Galaxy II is that lack of newness - it's like the best expansion pack ever made. But in terms of overall design, it's almost without doubt that bit more tightly honed than its predecessor. Both games, simply, are masterpieces.

Retr0gamer

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Here's the thing though: if they haven't come even remotely close to nailing the standard, linear 3D Sonic game, how the hell are they going to manage throwing in all manner of other dimensional shenanigans (the answer is, frankly, they won't).

I don't know, think they may be on to something here. The problem with 3D sonic (other than a 3D engine that was broken on release in 1998) is that the developers think his speed is what makes Sonic unique and not the fact that his movement is totally inertia controlled and the old 2D games aren't even all that fast. By pulling the camera right back and at a low angle you get to see much more of where sonic is in 3D space and it looks like you will have much more control over where he goes. I think this one might actually work.

johnny_ultimate

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I don't know, think they may be on to something here. The problem with 3D sonic (other than a 3D engine that was broken on release in 1998) is that the developers think his speed is what makes Sonic unique and not the fact that his movement is totally inertia controlled and the old 2D games aren't even all that fast. By pulling the camera right back and at a low angle you get to see much more of where sonic is in 3D space and it looks like you will have much more control over where he goes. I think this one might actually work.

The problem is there's no hint in that trailer that they've learned that lesson, instead seeming like a straight adaptation of the incoherently, obnoxiously fast gameplay that has plagued every Sonic game of the 3D era - twirling, mind-numbing camera angles and all (assuming, of course, they're not liberally using non-player angles, but the samples there seem par for the course in modern Sonic). All it suggests they've done is add another complication to a fundamentally broken system.

Of course, it's a trailer, and who knows? But really: Sonic Team have yet to show any evidence they have even the foggiest notion of what they're doing, so well over a decade later I'm of the 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twenty times, shame on us' attitude. Much like Michael Bay probably isn't going to make a decent film at this stage, I think Sonic Team just keep flogging the deadest of horses, and emulating the masters will only potentially leave them open to further ridicule and failure. But it will still sell like gangbusters, and there's always the slim possibility of it actually all coming together somehow, so whatever.

Myrddin

I have to agree with the good Film mod here. Vintage Sonic for me holds massive standing gaming & nostalgia wise. I've seen nothing that even comes close to those games in a long time. The fundamentals, that actually made Sonic a successful franchise, have long since disappeared form the games.

MrVestek

So apparently my new Saturn just needed a replacement fuse on the PSU
No problem I though, ill just nick the one from my semi working Saturn.

Cue lots of sparks... And two now dead Sega Saturn's. Just abtad frustrated. Anybody have or know of where I can get a replacement EU PSU?

Myrddin

Achilles wrote: »

So apparently my new Saturn just needed a replacement fuse on the PSU
No problem I though, ill just nick the one from my semi working Saturn.

Cue lots of sparks... And two now dead Sega Saturn's. Just abtad frustrated. Anybody have or know of where I can get a replacement EU PSU?

If the fuse was gone in the psu, the console wouldn't have turned on...it wouldn't have been an intermittent prob like you described previously. I'd say you'll have a tough job finding a psu, best off buying one that doesn't read discs or something & pillage the psu from that

MrVestek

EnterNow wrote: »

If the fuse was gone in the psu, the console wouldn't have turned on...it wouldn't have been an intermittent prob like you described previously. I'd say you'll have a tough job finding a psu, best off buying one that doesn't read discs or something & pillage the psu from that

Well the PSU in my original still works all I did was swap a fuse. I reckon the PSU in the replacement I got is dodgy.

If I transplant the working PSU with replacement fuse I cant see why it wouldn't work. Any idea which fuse I need?

Andrew76

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I don't know, think they may be on to something here. The problem with 3D sonic (other than a 3D engine that was broken on release in 1998) is that the developers think his speed is what makes Sonic unique and not the fact that his movement is totally inertia controlled and the old 2D games aren't even all that fast. By pulling the camera right back and at a low angle you get to see much more of where sonic is in 3D space and it looks like you will have much more control over where he goes. I think this one might actually work.

Started playing Sonic 1 on the Nomad recently and while I'm enjoying it, it's also quite frustrating. As you say, and EnterNow said it before, it's not about rushing through the level as I want to explore the place. But I find his slow movement hard to get used to, it's a little too heavy on the inertia side, like you're carrying a fish tank full of water when trying to stop. Maybe that's just lack of game time speaking or maybe I was spoilt by Mario's movement which always felt spot on.

Cool game nonetheless.

Sparks43

Fishing update

Caught lots of fish then slipped on a rock this morning and have ended up with a badly sprained ankle

Bugger:mad:

CiDeRmAn

Achilles wrote: »

So apparently my new Saturn just needed a replacement fuse on the PSU
No problem I though, ill just nick the one from my semi working Saturn.

Cue lots of sparks... And two now dead Sega Saturn's. Just abtad frustrated. Anybody have or know of where I can get a replacement EU PSU?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMpXAknykeg

Mr.Saturn

EnterNow wrote: »

There's more hope of Atavan starting a self help group than there is of a modern Sonic game being 1) actually any good, and 2) coming anywhere close to Mario Galaxy

Generation and Colours were a good crack at redeeming the brand, all told. Granted, they'd some of the borkings that've plagued Sonic since his leap to the Z-axis in '98, such as the occasional over-reliance on speed tracks, but I felt 85% satisfied with the finished products.

As for the SMG compared to Lost Worlds. I doubt it, very much, but no harm living in delusion hope.

CiDeRmAn

Sparks43 wrote: »

Fishing update

Caught lots of fish then slipped on a rock this morning and have ended up with a badly sprained ankle

Bugger:mad:

Feck, stick a cold compress and drink plenty of alcohol!

Also, don't use it as an excuse of avoiding us at the Beers!
There may be cake!

MrVestek

In other news I've gotten the arcade builds of Tekken 3 and Tekken tag working properly now on my test arcade cab pc build... mess that's currently on my kitchen table.



Currently unraring Hyperspin with a feckload of ROMs... looking forward to playing with that. If I have time later tonight I'll also remove Windows explorer and sort out some custom boot animations etc.

Myrddin

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

Generation and Colours were a good crack at redeeming the brand, all told. Granted, they'd some of the borkings that've plagued Sonic since his leap to the Z-axis in '98, such as the occasional over-reliance on speed tracks, but I felt 85% satisfied with the finished products.

As for the SMG compared to Lost Worlds. I doubt it, very much, but no harm living in delusion hope.

Generation was prob the best effort I've seen since the golden days of the franchise, but the controls, camera & speed killed it for me. It all feels far too much 'on rails', whereby the vintage Sonic games impressed in other far simpler ways. I did enjoy the new take on old zones, but the controls & in particular the physics are all wrong, & let it down for me.

o1s1n

Andrew76 wrote: »

Started playing Sonic 1 on the Nomad recently and while I'm enjoying it, it's also quite frustrating. As you say, and EnterNow said it before, it's not about rushing through the level as I want to explore the place. But I find his slow movement hard to get used to, it's a little too heavy on the inertia side, like you're carrying a fish tank full of water when trying to stop. Maybe that's just lack of game time speaking or maybe I was spoilt by Mario's movement which always felt spot on.

Cool game nonetheless.

I could understand how the controls in Sonic could be frustrating to someone used to playing Mario games alright - as I had the exact opposite happen to me!

Was so used to dealing with Sonic's inertia that when I started playing Mario games he felt like he was too responsive.

I guess the designers were trying to achieve different things in both games. Sonic is about exploration but it is also about speed. The inertia adds to that. Probably makes it feel like you're running faster than you actually are.

On the other hand, Mario is far more about timed jumps - so you need that level of response.

Steve X2

"LOAD"


http://vimeo.com/66599774#

Worth a look

Retr0gamer

Grr, I've had my first experience of asking international sellers to ship to Ireland, them saying yeah sure and then when I go to snipe I'm informed that the seller woun't ship to Ireland

o1s1n

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Grr, I've had my first experience of asking international sellers to ship to Ireland, them saying yeah sure and then when I go to snipe I'm informed that the seller woun't ship to Ireland

DAMN! I hate when that happens.

It's usually a good idea just to throw down a bid after they said they changed it to make sure. Even just a tiny test bid.

Was it a UK auction?

To be safe, whenever I snipe UK auctions I always change my default address to my UK Parcel Motel one - even if they said they've changed it. Can never be too safe when sniping!

Retr0gamer

It was a german and an aussie auction.

o1s1n

Ah crap

Only way around that is to go into your ebay address settings and add Germany or Australia as you country. Then change back after the auction ends

Pain in the arse though.

Retr0gamer

If only I had of known that Thanks for the tip.

OwaynOTT

Ah Germany and Australia, the place to get over priced pal stuff is cheap.

Retr0gamer

Pity aussie shipping is so high.

o1s1n

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Ah Germany and Australia, the place to get over priced pal stuff is cheap.

Yep! Loads of my rarer PAL Megadrive stuff came from Australia. Until everyone else copped on

Retr0gamer

Pity I'm late to the party.

OwaynOTT

Still can get a few deals though. Last year I got megaman x2, terranigma and mario party 3 for peanuts in comparison to what they can go for.

Retr0gamer

Terranigma is one of the games I'm looking for. The worst thing is I had it in my hands a while ago and gave it to my friend in the US for helping me out when I was over there last year. Oh well.

Andrew76

Steve SI wrote: »

"LOAD"


http://vimeo.com/66599774#

Worth a look

Very cool. Tape counter never moved that fast when loading though.

Nerdkiller1991

Just so you should know, Shadow Warrior is currently available on Steam for free, so why don't you go and check that out, eh?

Retr0gamer

Andrew76 wrote: »

Very cool. Tape counter never moved that fast when loading though.

It only moved slower when you were looking at it. Going to make a cup of tea exponentially improved loading speeds.

Taking magic mushrooms to look at the coloured load lines on the other hand was not recommended.