124,000 warrants never executed

SocSocPol

And people wonder why some people have no regard for the law, why would they if they can just ignore the courts!

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/almost-124000-garda-warrants-still-to-be-acted-on-3167405.html

saiint

well hopefully the 124,000 people to be arrested have jobs
so then they get fired
them BAM were back to a good eco, or at least most people on the dole will have a job ha

Pushtrak

saiint wrote: »

well hopefully the 124,000 people to be arrested have jobs

It isn't 124,000 people. The article pointed out people who have multiple warrants are counted in the 124,000.

Dravokivich

Jaysus, Dublin has a fair amount outstanding.

mikemac1

saiint wrote: »

well hopefully the 124,000 people to be arrested have jobs

If you have one to your name it's likely you have another few


Frog Ward has four outstanding for him before he met his end, just an example

SocSocPol

Pushtrak wrote: »

It isn't 124,000 people. The article pointed out people who have multiple warrants are counted in the 124,000.

That makes it worse, imagine there are people out there walking free with muliple arrest warrants against them:mad:

CardBordWindow

We need Ash Ketchum!

gurramok

Add another 600 odd thousand warrants to that total for the non-payment of the household charge

Kenno90

CardBordWindow wrote: »

We need Ash Ketchum!

Gotta catch em all

goldenhoarde

Pushtrak wrote: »

It isn't 124,000 people. The article pointed out people who have multiple warrants are counted in the 124,000.

I agree but if a person has multiple warrants (for whatever) i do think they should be sought out and have them executed.

also its up to 124,000 from 1,142 in 2000 (a 10,758% increase) - thats a plain and simple disgrace - its giving the message "do the crime and never the time/punishment!"

smash

The PULSE system is a joke. It's an application slapped together by years of contractors who've come and gone.

Dravokivich

goldenhoarde wrote: »

I agree but if a person has multiple warrants (for whatever) i do think they should be sought out and have them executed.

also its up to 124,000 from 1,142 in 2000 (a 10,758% increase) - thats a plain and simple disgrace - its giving the message "do the crime and never the time/punishment!"

Article references more serious charges are prioritised and doesn't go into detail of what the outstanding warrants are for. A lot of them could be minor offences such as non payment of fines.

Edit:
Also to note, its never mentioned, but I wouldn't be suprised if the problem could be related to a lack of prison space as well.

CardBordWindow

Dravokivich wrote: »

Article references more serious charges are prioritised and doesn't go into detail of what the outstanding warrants are for. A lot of them could be minor offences such as non payment of fines.

Mick Wallace?

Dravokivich

CardBordWindow wrote: »

Mick Wallace?

Tax isn't a fine. :rolleyes:

Standard Toaster

smash wrote: »

The PULSE system is a joke. It's an application slapped together by years of contractors who've come and gone.

It's one big massive csv file, right?

smash

Standard Toaster wrote: »

It's one big massive csv file, right?

It's an oracle db but with all the hacked in code it might as well be an access db.

VEN

SocSocPol wrote: »

And people wonder why some people have no regard for the law, why would they if they can just ignore the courts!

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/almost-124000-garda-warrants-still-to-be-acted-on-3167405.html

but this is the irish independent, how do we know this news piece is true?
apparently the independent has 'no agenda'

news to me how could they tell us lies?

SocSocPol

VEN wrote: »

but this is the irish independent, how do we know this news piece is true?
apparently the independent has 'no agenda'

news to me how could they tell us lies?

What are you on about, these are Dept of justice figures, quoted on RTE and other media as well, why are you trying to derail the thread?

VEN

SocSocPol wrote: »

What are you on about, these are Dept of justice figures, quoted on RTE and other media as well, why are you trying to derail the thread?

no, i believe it to be correct, the evidence is there, on the irish independant

Duggys Housemate

If there is a warrant for the arrest of someone with a murder charge, or assault, the gardai are looking for him. These are probably all minor offences.

What computer systems do is in fact ampify these warrants. A warrant for non-paid parking violation in Mayo which used to be kept in a cupboard in the barracks in Mayo is probably now on the computer system nationally. Which, I bet, explains the increase.

Odysseus

Dravokivich wrote: »

Article references more serious charges are prioritised and doesn't go into detail of what the outstanding warrants are for. A lot of them could be minor offences such as non payment of fines.

Edit:
Also to note, its never mentioned, but I wouldn't be suprised if the problem could be related to a lack of prison space as well.

Yeah you have that, others would be when it is known the person is homless, or it is know they are not currently in the area etc, the can be many reason why they are not acted on.

SocSocPol

Odysseus wrote: »

Yeah you have that, others would be when it is known the person is homless, or it is know they are not currently in the area etc, the can be many reason why they are not acted on.

None the less 124,000 unexecuted warrents does little to engender faith in the justice system.

Odysseus

SocSocPol wrote: »

None the less 124,000 unexecuted warrents does little to engender faith in the justice system.

Well that depends on a few things, I know loads of lads with minor warrents, if they were lifted there would be no space for them and they get a turn around. However, one of them does something serious and there is a car waiting for them outside my clinic, and if they don't get them there they get them somewhere else.

Something like that would not effect my faith in the justice system. Warrents IIRC have to be renewed every so often, especially for the minor ones; I would like to know how many of these would fall in that area.

davet82

24,000 belong to just 5 people from dublin the rest are shared out evenly between everyone from limerick :P

Biggins

SocSocPol wrote: »

124,000 warrants never executed...

Add another possible 400,000 onto that if they don't pay their household tax and it should be some fun in the courts next year! :pac:

Conall Cernach

They should allow bounty hunting for this kind of thing.

Jester252

Conall Cernach wrote: »

They should allow bounty hunting for this kind of thing.

I am the Dug. The big bad Dug the bounty hunter.

saiint

hate to be the people doing that paperwork
its weird because their was a warrent for my mate
(didnt pay his tax) YES I KNOW SCUMBAGGGGGG!!!!!

and the garda were at his door
and this was well after 2011 his arrest warrent came to light
he didnt he know ha

aidan24326

SocSocPol wrote: »

That makes it worse, imagine there are people out there walking free with muliple arrest warrants against them:mad:

The vast majority are for minor offences, it's not like we have thousands of gun-toting psychos prowling the streets.

The reason a lot of these don't get processed is the gardai simply don't have the time and resources to do it, and will obviously have to prioritise the ones involving more serious crimes.

Donnielighto

Shocking levels of shite

Donnielighto

Conall Cernach wrote: »

They should allow bounty hunting for this kind of thing.

Can I use my lasso?

Casillas

There's quite a few people avoiding summons for non-payment of speeding fines/tv licenses etc. When they are caught up with, they worst that happens is they report to prison, sign a form to say they were there and go home an hour later. There is no follow through on minor offences and word of that is beginning to spread, hence the exponential rise in figures.

Dionysius2

Sometimes a better perspective can become apparent by looking problems like this in a different way. Given that the criminal justice system which we have created is and has been for many a day creaking at the seams, what would have been achieved had the entire 124,000 warrants been executed., i.e. the loading of 124K warrants onto the existing system ? In what way would that have facilitated the administration of justice given that the likely outcome would have resulted in the collapse of the entire system ?

hondasam

I'd imagine most of them are penal warrants for non payment of fines, gardai have enough to do without arresting people on penal warrants.

Pottler

goldenhoarde wrote: »

I agree but if a person has multiple warrants (for whatever) i do think they should be sought out and have them executed.

also its up to 124,000 from 1,142 in 2000 (a 10,758% increase) - thats a plain and simple disgrace - its giving the message "do the crime and never the time/punishment!"

:eek: Bit harsh. Though, if we executed all 124000, it would free up a fair bit of space etc. We could dig a big hole in Leitrim to bury them all in. What way do you want them executed? I'm thinking bet to death with old copies of the Daily Mail. Or made stand alongside a freshly chipped stretch of road - the flying stones would keep a Mullah happy, might be a bit hit and miss tho. I'm coming around to this execution idea, it seems entirely reasonable.

Duggys Housemate

Pottler wrote: »

:eek: Bit harsh. Though, if we executed all 124000, it would free up a fair bit of space etc. We could dig a big hole in Leitrim to bury them all in. What way do you want them executed? I'm thinking bet to death with old copies of the Daily Mail. Or made stand alongside a freshly chipped stretch of road - the flying stones would keep a Mullah happy, might be a bit hit and miss tho. I'm coming around to this execution idea, it seems entirely reasonable.

Or maybe execute the warrants?

fasttalkerchat

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Or maybe execute the warrants?

No prison spaces. Make kneecapping an official punishment :rolleyes:

Temptamperu

I think I have a warrant for punching an asshole who tried to punch my then british girlfriend, for being british. I never even turned up at court that was like 6 years ago.

Phill Ewinn

Temptamperu wrote: »

I think I have a warrant for punching an asshole who tried to punch my then british girlfriend, for being british. I never even turned up at court that was like 6 years ago.

Punching an asshole? Don't you mean fisting?

fasttalkerchat

Temptamperu wrote: »

I think I have a warrant for punching an asshole who tried to punch my then british girlfriend, for being british. I never even turned up at court that was like 6 years ago.

Have you been stopped by guards since and had your name called over the radio?

hondasam

Temptamperu wrote: »

I think I have a warrant for punching an asshole who tried to punch my then british girlfriend, for being british. I never even turned up at court that was like 6 years ago.

You should get this sorted if you are stopped and they do a check on you the bench warrant will show up and they will arrest you.

Dionysius2

All those who think they have somehow slipped between the cracks in the floorboards might like to ponder this. Seems that the 124K warrants are now about to be computerised in a linkup system which automatically searches for 'unfinished law enforcement business' in respect of each name searched.
Recalcitrance may not be an option for much longer if the errant one wishes to retain uninterrupted mobility.

Slippin Jimmy

Temptamperu wrote: »

I think I have a warrant for punching an asshole who tried to punch my then british girlfriend, for being british. I never even turned up at court that was like 6 years ago.

Why didn't you just go to court?

Sulla Felix

I'd like to see it become impossible to collect social welfare, pay for anything by credit card, attend a hospital etc with an outstanding warrant.
Most of these are for piddle shít stuff. They shouldn't be left hanging on, I doubt most of them are even trying very hard to avoid the Gardai anyway.

Slippin Jimmy

Sulla Felix wrote: »

I'd like to see it become impossible to collect social welfare, pay for anything by credit card, attend a hospital etc with an outstanding warrant.
Most of these are for piddle shít stuff. They shouldn't be left hanging on, I doubt most of them are even trying very hard to avoid the Gardai anyway.

I'd love to see this too. But you would be denying people their basic human rights.

miller50841

Hi all I was attacked only noticed how long ago back in 2007 in Sligo town on a night out was in pub then a club along the river and was drinking but not falling around or didnt say anything bad or look wrong at someone anyway the guy just came up behind and lay into my head didnt even know he was there eventually got him away and 2 of his friends grabbed him and apologised they believed he must have thought I was someone else. 5 mins later was talking to a few people just waiting on my friend and then yet again the same thing happened same guy but this time he had something in his hand and busted my eye. Blood all over me eventually got attention of guards who were great caught him and arrested him he then tried to get me again at the station. Didnt know him never met him still dont know why to this day went to court he never showed bench warrant out for him and still no sign of them getting him many years on

Slippin Jimmy

miller50841 wrote: »

Hi all I was attacked only noticed how long ago back in 2007 in Sligo town on a night out was in pub then a club along the river and was drinking but not falling around or didnt say anything bad or look wrong at someone anyway the guy just came up behind and lay into my head didnt even know he was there eventually got him away and 2 of his friends grabbed him and apologised they believed he must have thought I was someone else. 5 mins later was talking to a few people just waiting on my friend and then yet again the same thing happened same guy but this time he had something in his hand and busted my eye. Blood all over me eventually got attention of guards who were great caught him and arrested him he then tried to get me again at the station. Didnt know him never met him still dont know why to this day went to court he never showed bench warrant out for him and still no sign of them getting him many years on

Punctuate!!!!!!

Sulla Felix

Duffff-Man wrote: »

I'd love to see this too. But you would be denying people their basic human rights.

Pretty sure "free use of a credit card" isnt in the Convention. For the others, just link their pps # to the justice dept and when someone is flagged, Gardai are en route.

miller50841

Duffff-Man wrote: »

Punctuate!!!!!!

P**s O** Im not applying for a job oh no i didnt put capitals or spaces in wright place bothered

Hail 2 Da Chimp

CardBordWindow wrote: »

We need Ash Ketchum!

No brah, we need Dog the bounty hunter!

Duggys Housemate

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Pretty sure "free use of a credit card" isnt in the Convention. For the others, just link their pps # to the justice dept and when someone is flagged, Gardai are en route.

Yeah all 124,000 of them. Meanwhile murder cases get nowhere. I had an warrant once, I moved house and missed a traffic violation, missed that I didn't pay the fine, and had sold the car so I didnt re-register the address for the car - which would have sent the increased fine I think. The result was a warrant.

Anyway I did find out about it and sort it but its the kind of thing that most of these warrants are for. You may have one.

They should not let people not turn up for assault cases in court - the Gardai should have tracked that down, for sure, but for the trivial ****e people get caught when they are otherwise pulled over for something else, and radioed in. And thats all the work the Gardai should do ( for me it was different, a background check, I still wouldnt know I as sold my car and never, therefore, meet the police or get pulled).