orange provocation

I wish we could just cut Northern Ireland off from the rest of Ireland.

Then they can play their silly flute music about murdering catholics and protestants or whatever the pipe bomb in the school hit.

Fu­cking dullards.

Chuck Stone

alastair wrote: »

Thanks for caring enough to count.

If you press the number of posts as it appears on the front page it gives a list of who has 'contributed' the most.

1 click.

3ndahalfof6

Edz87 wrote: »

I wish we could just cut Northern Ireland off from the rest of Ireland.

Then they can play their silly flute music about murdering catholics and protestants or whatever the pipe bomb in the school hit.

Fu­cking dullards.

yes they do it when reading the weather.

alastair

Chuck Stone wrote: »

If you press the number of posts as it appears on the front page it gives a list of who has 'contributed' the most.

1 click.

You learn something new every day. Still - thanks for checking!

celtictiger32

ha ha this lot marching through dublin very funny

Galwayguy35

Don't know if any of ye were watching BBC Newsline but it was almost laughable the excuses the DUP guy was making for the band playing outside the church.
Apparently they "didn't know" it was a catholic church that they were playing next to.:rolleyes:

celtictiger32

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Don't know if any of ye were watching BBC Newsline but it was almost laughable the excuses the DUP guy was making for the band playing outside the church.
Apparently they "didn't know" it was a catholic church that they were playing next to.:rolleyes:

your right that is laughable, they know exactly where their little marches go, they plan every route and submit it to the parades commision

blingrhino

I live in the south , I work in the north.
Northern people whether catholic or protestant are generally a pain in the arse .
I hate dealing with them , they moan , whine and sing as they talk .
Have a real distrust of them even "friends", find them sneaky with another agenda.
Does anybody in the south really care about the north.
Just get a big fence from Dundalk to Donegal and leave them at it .

Happyman42

blingrhino wrote: »

Just get a big fence from Dundalk to Donegal and leave them at it .

That kinda irresponsible attitude created the problem in the first place. :rolleyes:

SocSocPol

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Lads, Alastair has almost 3 times the number of posts of the next nearest person (144) and is still getting a kick out of this thread. I think it's time people stopped giving him the oxygen of attention.

Anticipated response:

If this advice was applied to the marching bands them we might not have all this outrage.

To which I would redirect him to this post.



TL;DR, Do not feed.

Congratulations on your promotion as a Mod:)

Bessiebee

blingrhino wrote: »

I live in the south , I work in the north.
Northern people whether catholic or protestant are generally a pain in the arse .
I hate dealing with them , they moan , whine and sing as they talk .
Have a real distrust of them even "friends", find them sneaky with another agenda.
Does anybody in the south really care about the north.
Just get a big fence from Dundalk to Donegal and leave them at it .

Hang on a minute you can't be coming on here adding your tuppence worth at this stage by suggesting fences :eek: Bridges is what we need to be building .. bridges. Haven't you read any of the previous posts Though if you do consider fences necessary kindly ensure Donegal is on the correct side this time round - it's never to late to make amends.

As for the way they talk forget the fact that yer man in that video with his big stick is an "alleged" racist bigot & rather unpleasant on the eye, doesn't a little bit of you think his accent is kinda sexy?

Chuck Stone

SocSocPol wrote: »

Congratulations on your promotion as a Mod:)

I don't see what's 'moddy' about my post.

Bessiebee

Does Boards have any Prod Mods :eek:

woodoo

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Don't know if any of ye were watching BBC Newsline but it was almost laughable the excuses the DUP guy was making for the band playing outside the church.
Apparently they "didn't know" it was a catholic church that they were playing next to.:rolleyes:

That was Nelson McCausland. His credibility is on the floor after that. I wouldn't believe anything he has to say on anything after that.

getzls

Nipper Man wrote: »

Hi Everybody,

I think that people are entitled to march, however they should march and enjoy themselves and not try and incite people by hateful remarks or the like.

After all the things that have happened in the past 30 odd years and all the deaths because of that era, people seem not to have learned anything at all.

Education seems to have missed that part of a person's reasoning ability to behave in a Christian manner towards their neighbour's of all Religion's and or beliefs.

There are some things that I do not agree with, however I can accept them as long as I am not directly put in any harm by their existence in this world where we all have several differences to contend with on a daily basis, so lets not do onto others that we would not like done to ourselves, please.

A memory of something past should not now cause injury for those living in the present.

Nipper, welcome to the site. But i fear you won't last long when posting about Northern Ireland related matters. Why? Because your post is far too sensible.

Bessiebee

woodoo wrote: »

That was Nelson McCausland. His credibility is on the floor after that. I wouldn't believe anything he has to say on anything after that.

I am not defending him but in all fairness most of those band members wouldn't recognise a protestant church never mind a catholic church.

Border-Rat

Bessiebee wrote: »

Does Boards have any Prod Mods :eek:

A better question is does it have any Catholic mods?

getzls

Bessiebee wrote: »

Does Boards have any Prod Mods :eek:

:rolleyes: If they have they would still be Republican and not Unionists ones.:cool:

Bessiebee

Border-Rat wrote: »

A better question is does it have any Catholic mods?

I don't know anything about anything - I'm kinda new here

Bessiebee

getzls wrote: »

:rolleyes: If they have they would still be Republican and not Unionists ones.:cool:

Republican Protestant Moderator - I like that Is there anyone with that job description on the Parades Commission ?

getz

alastair wrote: »

The GAA are just as involved in seeking grants as the OO is - and that's the extent of 'aiding and abetting by authorities' at play.

in may the GAA stated,the GAA has strict protocols and rules regarding the use of property for political purposes,good on them as they have been able to be funded to the tune of £61 million from the british taxpayer,then on the 10th of june rossa GAC hosted a tournament for the under 10s with 16 teams coming from all over ireland,in honour of a IRA terrorist called joe mckelvey,he was the one who was chief of staff of the IRA who was executed by the irish free state in 1922,the man who sparked off the irish civil war,

J Cheever Loophole

blingrhino wrote: »

I live in the south , I work in the north.
Northern people whether catholic or protestant are generally a pain in the arse .
I hate dealing with them , they moan , whine and sing as they talk .
Have a real distrust of them even "friends", find them sneaky with another agenda.
Does anybody in the south really care about the north.
Just get a big fence from Dundalk to Donegal and leave them at it .

Out of curiosity, once the fence goes up, will you be sorted for a job in the South? *




* When reading the words above, do so to the tune of Bigmouth Strikes Again by the Smiths, to get an accurate representation of how I would sing say it.

Happyman42

getz wrote: »

in may the GAA stated,the GAA has strict protocols and rules regarding the use of property for political purposes,good on them as they have been able to be funded to the tune of £61 million from the british taxpayer,then on the 10th of june rossa GAC hosted a tournament for the under 10s with 16 teams coming from all over ireland,in honour of a IRA terrorist called joe mckelvey,he was the one who was chief of staff of the IRA who was executed by the irish free state in 1922,the man who sparked off the irish civil war,

And was also a founder member of the club.
King Billy was a 'terrorist' too in some peoples eyes. What you have to accept is the fact that those who fought on behalf of the nationalist and republican side will not be remembered as 'terrorists' by their communities or supporters, whatever you might think of the campaign they conducted. That's a political reality. The British legitimised the action of the IRA by doing a deal with them and enshrining the right to align yourself with them and to remember them, in the GFA, that everybody signed up to.

What you can't do is remember or glorify, those who engaged in purely sectarian killing, crimes or discrimination.

Even if the GAA gets it wrong in some instances, that doesn't mean sectarianism is enshrined in it's constitution and operations and that STILL doesn't excuse the OO (who this thread is about)

alastair

Happyman42 wrote: »

The British legitimised the action of the IRA by doing a deal with them and enshrining the right to align yourself with them and to remember them, in the GFA, that everybody signed up to.

Heh. That's some serious delusion at play.

Kunny

blingrhino wrote: »

I live in the south , I work in the north.
Northern people whether catholic or protestant are generally a pain in the arse .
I hate dealing with them , they moan , whine and sing as they talk .
Have a real distrust of them even "friends", find them sneaky with another agenda.
Does anybody in the south really care about the north.
Just get a big fence from Dundalk to Donegal and leave them at it .

This is the type of attitude that is representative of knuckle dragging. You as you have no problem stating have no problem in working in the north while profiting from it. If you look at this it is in fact you that appear to be sneaky and with another agenda. If you don't like these people then don't work there and don't take their money!! If you treat them like you speak about them I am sure they also feel you are a pain in the arse.

getz

Happyman42 wrote: »

And was also a founder member of the club.
King Billy was a 'terrorist' too in some peoples eyes. What you have to accept is the fact that those who fought on behalf of the nationalist and republican side will not be remembered as 'terrorists' by their communities or supporters, whatever you might think of the campaign they conducted. That's a political reality. The British legitimised the action of the IRA by doing a deal with them and enshrining the right to align yourself with them and to remember them, in the GFA, that everybody signed up to.

What you can't do is remember or glorify, those who engaged in purely sectarian killing, crimes or discrimination.

Even if the GAA gets it wrong in some instances, that doesn't mean sectarianism is enshrined in it's constitution and operations and that STILL doesn't excuse the OO (who this thread is about)

i would rather be blasted by racist and bigoted music than petrol bombs and guns,but its obvious that you believe it justified attacking the police,and i do remember the sectarian murders killings and the bombings far better than you,as i was born in the 40s

Happyman42

alastair wrote: »

Heh. That's some serious delusion at play.

I suggest you take the blinkers off and read the 'actual' agreement, we all signed up to, from a non biased perspective. The points bolded below, apply to this thread.

OPPORTUNITY
Human Rights
1. The parties affirm their commitment to the mutual respect, the civil
rights and the religious liberties of everyone in the community. Against
the background of the recent history of communal conflict, the parties
affirm in particular:
• the right of free political thought;
• the right to freedom and expression of religion;
• the right to pursue democratically national and political aspirations;
• the right to seek constitutional change by peaceful and legitimate
means;
• the right to freely choose one’s place of residence;
• the right to equal opportunity in all social and economic activity,
regardless of class, creed, disability, gender or ethnicity;
• the right to freedom from sectarian harassment; and
• the right of women to full and equal political participation.

http://www.dfa.ie/uploads/documents/Anglo-Irish/agreement.pdf

alastair

Happyman42 wrote: »

I suggest you take the blinkers off and read the 'actual' agreement, we all signed up to, from a non biased perspective. The points bolded below, apply to this thread.



http://www.dfa.ie/uploads/documents/Anglo-Irish/agreement.pdf

Your emboldened points have nothing whatsoever to do with the IRA - but that really shouldn't need saying. :rolleyes:

Happyman42

alastair wrote: »

Your emboldened points have nothing whatsoever to do with the IRA - but that really shouldn't need saying. :rolleyes:

Do people have the right to 'free political thought' or not, and what do you think that means in actuality?
The IRA are a historical organisation now, that has been accepted by all the monitoring organisations and they have fulfilled the terms of the agreement.

Anything to say about 'the right to freedom from sectarian harrassment' clause, in the context of the thread?

alastair

Happyman42 wrote: »

Do people have the right to 'free political thought' or not, and what do you think that means in actuality?

I'll tell you precisely what it doesn't mean - would that help?:

The British legitimised the action of the IRA by doing a deal with them and enshrining the right to align yourself with them and to remember them, in the GFA, that everybody signed up to.

Happyman42

alastair wrote: »

I'll tell you precisely what it doesn't mean - would that help?:

If I live in NI then I have the right to 'free political thought'. Yes or No? Believeing that the IRA where right to do what they did, is a political thought, just as believeing that the British reaction was right is a political thought.
That is just the realities of any conflict agreements, fair and balanced implementation.

If you do a deal with somebody, you accept and respect their right to be accomodated.

SIR PEADO BAILOUT

john why wrote: »

just seen on the bbc newsline that yesterday a loyalist band stoped at a catholic church to sing the famine song and to have a little march. wtf is wrong with these people, and they claim there not sectarian.

dont know how to upload links, maybe someone else could

Sense of humour failure !! :P

alastair

Happyman42 wrote: »

If I live in NI then I have the right to 'free political thought'. Yes or No? Believeing that the IRA where right to do what they did, is a political thought, just as believeing that the British reaction was right is a political thought.

There's precious little thought going on here tbh. Stop digging.

Happyman42

alastair wrote: »

There's precious little thought going on here tbh. Stop digging.

Still refusing to engage with the issues Al?

Anything to say about that clause on 'sectarian harrassment'?

alastair

Happyman42 wrote: »

Still refusing to engage with the issues Al?

Anything to say about that clause on 'sectarian harrassment'?

I'm refusing to engage with your fantasy regarding the IRA and the GFA - as would any sensible person.

I'm opposed to sectarian harrassment - have you some confusion in that regard also?

Happyman42

alastair wrote: »

I'm refusing to engage with your fantasy regarding the IRA - as would any sensible person.

Just tell us what you think 'free political thought' means Alastair, you are getting ridiculous now.

I'm opposed to sectarian harrassment - have you some confusion in that regard also?

Shouldn't you be fervently on the side of residents who want to live free from the 'sectarian harrassments' of an organisation you admit are sectarian? Would that not be the logical and moral position to have?

alastair

Happyman42 wrote: »

Just tell us what you think 'free political thought' means Alastair, you are getting ridiculous now.

Once again - what it doesn't mean:

The British legitimised the action of the IRA by doing a deal with them and enshrining the right to align yourself with them and to remember them, in the GFA, that everybody signed up to.

Happyman42

alastair wrote: »

Once again - what it doesn't mean:

WHat does iit mean to YOU? I am not skilled in mind reading...jesus H!

I'm opposed to sectarian harrassment - have you some confusion in that regard also?

Shouldn't you be fervently on the side of residents who want to live free from the 'sectarian harrassments' of an organisation you admit are sectarian? Would that not be the logical and moral position to have?

alastair

Happyman42 wrote: »

Shouldn't you be fervently on the side of residents who want to live free from the 'sectarian harrassments' of an organisation you admit are sectarian? Would that not be the logical and moral position to have?

You see the word following 'Sectarian' there? That's the key issue: harrassment. The political reality of NI - and of the GFA - is sectarian itself. Residents and the OO worked out their own arrangements in all but one march this year - seems like they know what they're doing.

Happyman42

alastair wrote: »

You see the word following 'Sectarian' there? That's the key issue: harrassment. The political reality of NI - and of the GFA - is sectarian itself. Residents and the OO worked out their own arrangements in all but one march this year - seems like they know what they're doing.

That is NOT the question you were asked.

alastair

Happyman42 wrote: »

That is NOT the question you were asked.

Ah well - if you think your 'logic' there makes any more sense than it does with regard to:

The British legitimised the action of the IRA by doing a deal with them and enshrining the right to align yourself with them and to remember them, in the GFA, that everybody signed up to.

then you'd be mistaken (again).

Happyman42

alastair wrote: »

Ah well - if you think your 'logic' there makes any more sense than it does with regard to:



then you'd be mistaken (again).

And you still have to tell us what YOU think doing a 'deal' means in reality.
My cards and opinions are on the table, deal with them like an adult, and stop indulging in pathetic juvenile evasion.

Dubhlinner

The band had the brass neck to say they didn't know they were outside the church. They also claim they were just playing a beach boys song not the famine song.

(the famine song is sung to the tune of said beach boys song)

Guess what though. McCausland and DUP will be elected again and again. What does that say about the people who vote for them?

I know some will say "the other side" are as bad they vote for ex-terrorists. Its a bit different though. I doubt you'd get anyone in sdlp SF or alliance defending an act of naked sectarianism like that. whereas uup tuv and dup seem to get more votes the more they steep themselves in bigotry

billybudd

Noreen1 wrote: »

Of course you can be proud to be Irish and Protestant without being a member of the OO.

I'm not a member, or supporter, of the OO, by the way.
But plenty of Protestants, who are not members of the OO, go to these marches, and, whether I like it or not, some Protestants see King Billy as the defender of their Religion, and the defender of Religious freedom, but without seeing any need for triumphalism, or having any dislike against either the Irish, or Catholics.

If we prevent an orderly, peaceful march in Dublin - and again, I stress the need to respect Nationalist sentiments - then we are discriminating against them, in the same way that Catholics in Northern Ireland were discriminated against for years - and the extremists among the OO get to bleat about how we're intolerant.

I'm fully aware of the hypocrisy of the "victim complex" that some Northern OO members like to portray. I just don't believe in either giving them fuel for that particular fire - or allowing them any triumphalist nonsense.

Therefore, if the Irish lodges are allowed march, avoiding sensitive areas - and assuming that they are going to behave in a civilised manner - then, fair enough, let them march.

If they choose not to behave in a civilised manner - then future marches can be banned. (And the bill for damages should be forwarded to any lodge that causes trouble.)

If any of the yobs from Northern Ireland show up, and decide to start trouble, then they should be flung in Mountjoy, and subjected to every charge the Gardaí can throw at them.
I'm tempted to suggest that they should be escorted back across the border, preferably by the Irish army, and at gunpoint, but
a: I doubt if that's possible, and
b: The idea of them spending a while locked up, and subjected to justice, appeals to me.:D

Indeed, but there is such a thing as a catholic loyalist/unionist (just as there is protestant nationlists) and they are not welcome to march with the OO and feel as one to celebrate the 12th of july so why should we tolerate and facilitate a orgnaisation who exclude based on religious principles?


Dont think the BOTB was about religious freedom, more to do with james reclaiming his throne in his homeland and the Irish supporting him to try and reclaim our country.

billybudd

alastair wrote: »

Ah well - if you think your 'logic' there makes any more sense than it does with regard to:



then you'd be mistaken (again).

Suppose it takes one to know one......IRA=BA.

billybudd

Dubhlinner wrote: »

The band had the brass neck to say they didn't know they were outside the church. They also claim they were just playing a beach boys song not the famine song.

(the famine song is sung to the tune of said beach boys song)

Guess what though. McCausland and DUP will be elected again and again. What does that say about the people who vote for them?

I know some will say "the other side" are as bad they vote for ex-terrorists. Its a bit different though. I doubt you'd get anyone in sdlp SF or alliance defending an act of naked sectarianism like that. whereas uup tuv and dup seem to get more votes the more they steep themselves in bigotry

Yes people only want to move on when its not SF they are moving on with.

Marcellus Jerome Clarke

Dubhlinner, Sinn Fein are in no position to lecture anyone. They have a very nasty and dirty past which involved executions, bomb making and cold blooded murder of innocent civilians and even a Garda police officer.

Only a Sinn Fein apologist would try and cover these war crimes up.

Noreen1

billybudd wrote: »

Indeed, but there is such a thing as a catholic loyalist/unionist (just as there is protestant nationlists) and they are not welcome to march with the OO and feel as one to celebrate the 12th of july so why should we tolerate and facilitate a orgnaisation who exclude based on religious principles?


Dont think the BOTB was about religious freedom, more to do with james reclaiming his throne in his homeland and the Irish supporting him to try and reclaim our country.

I don't think BOTB was about religious freedom, either, but, the truth is, history tells you and I one story - and it's not the story that many Protestants believe.

Look up the sermon given at the Donegal parade, by Reverend Gamble (I think!).
I found it quite amazing - because it's not at all the way Irish, Catholic Nationalists see it.

Now, before you take my head off - I'm not saying I agree with him. I don't.
But, both he, and his audience, clearly do believe it.
It's like some Unionists think flying the Red Hand is some kind of sign of Unionist supremacy. Actually, the Red Hand was originally the flag of the O'Neill clan.

I suppose what I'm saying is that much of the truth of history is not always known, and each "side" tends not to tell any truths that don't make their own case look good.

The question is: Will the truth be known and accepted by each side respecting the others rights - or will it be known if we keep up a tit for tat running battle?
I think if we keep up the tit for tat, it will only add to the "victim":rolleyes: mentality of some Northern Unionists. If we don't - but insist on a respectful parade - then we both prove ourselves to be mature, reasonable people - and we give the lie to the rubbish that is spouted about discrimination against Protestants in Ireland.

Our man in Havana

It is actually quite a catchy tune.

billybudd

Marcellus Jerome Clarke wrote: »

Dubhlinner, Sinn Fein are in no position to lecture anyone. They have a very nasty and dirty past which involved executions, bomb making and cold blooded murder of innocent civilians and even a Garda police officer.

Only a Sinn Fein apologist would try and cover these war crimes up.

So called legit armys are still committing these crimes against humanity at least the IRA/Sinn fein have ceased and are building towards a peaceful future, only a gob****e would disagree.