Does the success of '50 Shades Of Grey' prove that every woman loves a bastard?

IvaBigWun

Because I'm struggling to explain the popularity of the humourless, controlling, manipulative, stalky, psycho

Gummy Panda

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Because I'm struggling to explain the popularity of the humourless, controlling, manipulative, stalky, psycho

It makes women want to flick their bean therefore is popular

chin_grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOwTF_i6zOc

PK2008

No, just rich b@stards

Tayla

I thought the books were crap, he's not what I would consider to be a bastard either, he's very needy and clingy.

Pantsface

No woman wants a wet wimp

Tin Foil Hat

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Because I'm struggling to explain the popularity of the humourless, controlling, manipulative, stalky, psycho

Nope. It just means that junk sells in huge numbers - be it food, movies, TV, music or books.

Banjaxed82

It proves that the publisher's marketing department is a bastard.

Pacing Mule

He's got some serious issues after events in his childhood. She's not that comfortable with it but sees through his issues and helps him overcome them. Compromise is reached and she enjoys a bit of his world. Anyone saying the books are just sex / porn and unreal fantasy etc are frankly jumping on an ill informed band wagon.

Blondini

Women are dirty

Curly Judge

Treat them mean and keep them coming, eh?

Ficheall

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

He's got some serious issues after events in his childhood. She's not that comfortable with it but sees through his issues and helps him overcome them. Compromise is reached and she enjoys a bit of his world. Anyone saying the books are just sex / porn and unreal fantasy etc are frankly jumping on an ill informed band wagon.

What's the word on the informed band wagon then?

If it gets more women into fisting then it's all good as far as I'm concerned.

Pantsface

meh, its cool to say you've read it / enjoyed it "oh look at me i'm a bit risky"

Pacing Mule

Ficheall wrote: »

What's the word on the informed band wagon then?

Read them and see

It's a lot deeper than a bit of porn with a story around it (yes I said deeper before anyone gets excited ) For the most part the sex stuff whilst graphic enough is graphic because it needs to be to give an insight into the mind of Grey, why he is the way he is and how it impacts on those he is involved with. Granted by the end of book 2 and into book 3 it does get a bit gratuitous but you'd find a lot worse / more graphic erotic stories online easily enough.

That's my 2 cents anyway - don't want to give any spoilers.

biko

I heard the butler did it.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

It just reinforces the "treat her mean, keep her keen" stereotype at least that's my excuse...

g'em

It proves that for some women a bad boy is an exciting fantasy.

Does regular porn prove that men only love fake boobed wimmin who fake orgasms every time they take it up the mum? Course not, doesn't mean it doesn't appeal.

Varied

g'em wrote: »

Does regular porn prove that men only love fake boobed wimmin who fake orgasms every time they take it up the mum? Course not, doesn't mean it doesn't appeal.

Plenty of women love the bad boys of porn too. :pac:

admiralofthefleet

whats all this fifty shades of grey shit? ive been hearing nothing else for the last week and i still have no idea what it is

4zn76tysfajdxp

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Read them and see

It's a lot deeper than a bit of porn with a story around it (yes I said deeper before anyone gets excited ) For the most part the sex stuff whilst graphic enough is graphic because it needs to be to give an insight into the mind of Grey, why he is the way he is and how it impacts on those he is involved with. Granted by the end of book 2 and into book 3 it does get a bit gratuitous but you'd find a lot worse / more graphic erotic stories online easily enough.

That's my 2 cents anyway - don't want to give any spoilers.

Please don't analyse that "book" like it's real literature. It cheapens the whole medium. Possibly all media.

mickydoomsux

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

whats all this fifty shades of grey shit? ive been hearing nothing else for the last week and i still have no idea what it is

A series of books that would be porn if guys read them but they are considered "erotica" because they are aimed at women.

castletownman

I'm not bitching about women's tastes in popular culture or anything but I take no interest in books that become universally popular amongst women. They are after all generally the same demographic that made Big Brother, X Factor, Sex and the City and Twilight pollute our airwaves/cinema/bookshelves. And they wouldn't exactly be the epitome of entertainment!

At least us men have sport!

cristoir

It's now only that book that shows it. Look at the twilight saga, it is adored by teenage girls even though the relationship shown is extremely abusive.

krudler

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Read them and see

It's a lot deeper than a bit of porn with a story around it (yes I said deeper before anyone gets excited ) For the most part the sex stuff whilst graphic enough is graphic because it needs to be to give an insight into the mind of Grey, why he is the way he is and how it impacts on those he is involved with. Granted by the end of book 2 and into book 3 it does get a bit gratuitous but you'd find a lot worse / more graphic erotic stories online easily enough.

That's my 2 cents anyway - don't want to give any spoilers.

or they're badly written Twilight fanfiction spinoffs

g'em

g'em wrote: »

Does regular porn prove that men only love fake boobed wimmin who fake orgasms every time they take it up the mum? Course not, doesn't mean it doesn't appeal.

Heh, I just noticed my typo. Freud would jizz himself

CodyJarrett

Johnny Cash gets the blame for everything.

FloatingVoter

Doctor Who here - the follow up about a naive young woman becoming involved with a kinky unemployed guy in a bedsit in Coolock didn't sell many copies. The sex was excellent in that, ropes and rubber bands and elastoplasts n' all. Strange that.:o

cantankerous

http://files.myopera.com/JanetB/albums/933483/Twilight%20Moms.jpeg

c_man

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

whats all this fifty shades of grey shit? ive been hearing nothing else for the last week and i still have no idea what it is

All I've been hearing is people bitching about how popular it is. Would never have heard of it if not for them

Queen-Mise

Arjun Little Menthol wrote: »

Please don't analyse that "book" like it's real literature. It cheapens the whole medium. Possibly all media.

Now that is literary snobbery. And all media is far from the quality of 'literature'. Everything has its place.

Anything that has the amount of people reading it that 50 Shades does - deserves to be analysed in some way.

Eve_Dublin

Pantsface wrote: »

meh, its cool to say you've read it / enjoyed it "oh look at me i'm a bit risky"

Ehhh...I think women want to read it to have a bit of a twiddle and not to be "cool".

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

it's ****ing twilight fanfiction

twilight
****ing
fanfiction

anyone who reads it needs to be shot

whendovescry

Irish 50 shades of grey, courtesy of voteforlee on reddit:

Give it to me, give it to me’, he roared aggressively. Some days Mary hated working at Ulster Bank.

He slipped his hand under the red silk.. “You’re so beautiful in that dress.” “Feck off, it was only a euro in Penneys!” ...

Bríd’s knees were sore and her throat was raw…This was the longest Novena she’d ever attended.

You’re so tight, he said, I’m from Cavan she replied.

Slowly he ran his finger down the middle, parting the pink softness, feeling the moist sticky centre. He loved a Mikado.

‘She Quivered as I stroked her thighs. ‘Take me in the shower Sean!’ I whispered to her ‘Wait til I turn on the immersion’

‘Her underwear was wet as he pulled the rope. There’s great drying out today she thought as the clothes line hoisted’

She wrapped her fingers around it and greedily pulled it towards her lips.20 bottles for 15 quid at Centra Mick! Bargain!

'its so long!Never seen the likes of it!' exclaimed maire, as she joined the dole queue

She widened her mouth, trying to fit it all in!! Juices ran down her face. Mary did love a kebab after coppers

She was panting as she let out one final scream of pure pleasure. There was nothing like beating Kilkenny in the hurling

She took a deep breath as the shivers rolled down her hot body... Jaysus, she thought. The vicks is kicking in now!

Come on! Pump it hard.. Real hard! But it was no use the tyre was definitely punctured!

He asked if she could handle more than one finger. She said she preferred Hob Nobs or a purple Schnack with her tea

'Spread 'em', he said gruffly. Margie looked dolefully at the bags of fertilizer destined for the back field...

My name is URL

Ride me sideways was another one

havent read it. heard all about it from girls who have.

poo, i believe is the general consensus!!

the popularity i would imagine is with women who;
1. dont generally read anything!!
2. dont watch/read porn.

if you want a story, read a book.
if you want a racy story read a good jilly cooper novel, at least they have good story.
if you want to get off, read porn, or maybe watch it!!

ejmaztec

biko wrote: »

I heard the butler did it.

With a cucumber in the library.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Queen-Mise wrote: »

Now that is literary snobbery. And all media is far from the quality of 'literature'.

Hardly snobbery. Trashy is one thing. Good, lowbrow disposable shite is great fun in any form. But bad writing is bad writing and should be treated as such.

Everything has its place.

That's right, and rubbish goes in the bin!

*throws book in a skip*

Anything that has the amount of people reading it that 50 Shades does - deserves to be analysed in some way.

Yes, but only in this case to determine how it got to be so inexplicably popular. Not because it has any literary merit because from what I've heard, it has none.

Pantsface

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Ehhh...I think women want to read it to have a bit of a twiddle and not to be "cool".

you'd be surprised....

Cork Lass

Pantsface wrote: »

meh, its cool to say you've read it / enjoyed it "oh look at me i'm a bit risky"

Risqué would be the word you're looking for there. If you're going to criticise then do it right:)

Pacing Mule

Arjun Little Menthol wrote: »

Please don't analyse that "book" like it's real literature. It cheapens the whole medium. Possibly all media.

Classic knee jerk response.

Head over to literotica.com and read some of the absolute ****e on that site. That's the kind of crap that cheapens the medium.

Then actually read the entire story (the fact you say "book" I suspect means you haven't read it - there's three books in total)

There's no comparison at all.

krudler wrote: »

or they're badly written Twilight fanfiction spinoffs

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

it's ****ing twilight fanfiction

twilight
****ing
fanfiction

anyone who reads it needs to be shot

Again another misconception.

My understanding is that the story was originally written for / published on a message board for fans of the twilight books. It was noticed there, picked up and eventually published. However the fifty shades series has nothing to do with twilight, vampires or whatever else. It just happened to be published within a community who were fans of that series.

Lads go and read the books and then criticise them by all means but don't criticise them based on the assumptions doing the rounds.

PK2008

50 shades of Mustard!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEipG31iAC4

AhInFairness

Queen-Mise wrote: »

Anything that has the amount of people reading it that 50 Shades does - deserves to be analysed in some way.

So should we analyse The National Enquirer? That has over half a million people reading it every week. How about the Twilight books? Should we analyse those?

Anyone who reads this without seeing how bad the writing is needs to seriously expand their reading horizons.

Crap like this, Twilight, and fiction "written" by celebrities should not be celebrated in any way. It should be recognised for the crap that it is.

Edited to add: I have read them. They are tripe.

Gummy Panda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K1RcKJVbHA

4zn76tysfajdxp

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Classic knee jerk response.

Head over to literotica.com and read some of the absolute ****e on that site. That's the kind of crap that cheapens the medium.

Then actually read the entire story (the fact you say "book" I suspect means you haven't read it - there's three books in total)

There's no comparison at all.

The fact that there are worse novels out there doesn't make this one any better. I mean, here's an extract:

“Let me ask you something first. Do you want a regular vanilla relationship with no kinky ****ery at all?"
My mouth drops open. "Kinky ****ery?" I squeak.
"Kinky ****ery."
"I can't believe you said that.'
"Well, I did. Answer me," he says calmly.
I flush. My inner goddess is down on bended knee with her hands clasped in supplication begging me.
"I like your kinky ****ery," I whisper.”

I mean for fuck's sake.

I think this might have to go on the kindle just for the craic. I've a flight next week, it might keep me entertained, but I don't want people to actually know I'm reading it!

Arjun Little Menthol

Arjun Little Menthol wrote: »

Please don't analyse that "book" like it's real literature. It cheapens the whole medium. Possibly all media.

I'm yet to be convinced that Dan Brown didn't really write it.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Again another misconception.

My understanding is that the story was originally written for / published on a message board for fans of the twilight books. It was noticed there, picked up and eventually published. However the fifty shades series has nothing to do with twilight, vampires or whatever else. It just happened to be published within a community who were fans of that series.

Lads go and read the books and then criticise them by all means but don't criticise them based on the assumptions doing the rounds.

pretty sure it was twilight fanfiction but when she realised how popular it was/could be she rewrote it to remove all twilight references and got it published

Pacing Mule

Arjun Little Menthol wrote: »

The fact that there are worse novels out there doesn't make this one any better. I mean, here's an extract:



I mean for fuck's sake.

It makes it better than them

The quote itself - yep not quite shakespeare quality. But it's out of context. If that was a story on literotica it would just be that. Within the context of the 50 shades storyline there is a whole exploration of why the kinky stuff was on the agenda in the first place, how it effected Ana (the lady in question) how she was at first disgusted by it and how she came to appreciate some of the world.

Anyway it's beyond ridiculous for me to be on here defending a book All I ask is you give it a full read.

Potatoeman

Read game of thrones instead.

Pacing Mule

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

pretty sure it was twilight fanfiction but when she realised how popular it was/could be she rewrote it to remove all twilight references and got it published

If that's the case I of course bow to your greater knowledge of Twilight

I'm not a mad fan of either series so I could well be wrong. The story I read had **** all to do with vampires etc. Actually I'd be interested to read the originals if that was the case.