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    #152
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,840 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    fclauson wrote: »
    Hmm interesting - I would love to see the full spec for that price because I suspect its not current regs by a long way

    I would suspect that the materials alone for such a build would be in the region of €85k.......does that mean that every single tradesman would be working for free!! Or does it take us back to an earlier point where builders are refusing to pay sub-contractors and therefore gaining their profit there?

    Either way i agree fully with your post FC.


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    #153
    June Bird
    Registered Users Posts: 47 ✭June Bird


    mfceiling wrote: »
    I would suspect that the materials alone for such a build would be in the region of €85k.......does that mean that every single tradesman would be working for free!! Or does it take us back to an earlier point where builders are refusing to pay sub-contractors and therefore gaining their profit there?

    Either way i agree fully with your post FC.

    no too many people on forum making comments without knowing prices of materials.
    Quote actually inclueds for high spec nordan windows and pumped insulation in cavities cousin doing plumbing / electrics for next to nothing so sorted there all rest done by builder


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    #154
    archtech
    Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭archtech


    June Bird wrote: »
    no too many people on forum making comments without knowing prices of materials.
    Quote actually inclueds for high spec nordan windows and pumped insulation in cavities cousin doing plumbing / electrics for next to nothing so sorted there all rest done by builder
    Please define high spec windows, double glazed, triple glazed u-ualue, certification etc the u-value of walls, type of heating etc What's your provisional ber rating .


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    #155
    fclauson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭fclauson


    Also how is Part L being complied with
    what level of insulation in walls and floors and roof

    and saying "cavities cousin doing plumbing / electrics for next to nothing so sorted ..."

    means its not a true cost of a build


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    #156
    kkelliher
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kkelliher


    June Bird wrote: »
    no too many people on forum making comments without knowing prices of materials.
    Quote actually inclueds for high spec nordan windows and pumped insulation in cavities cousin doing plumbing / electrics for next to nothing so sorted there all rest done by builder

    No people living in a dreamland in probably closer to the mark. And again we have someone putting a figure out that is again includung ubstantial free labour


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    #157
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,840 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    June Bird wrote: »
    no too many people on forum making comments without knowing prices of materials.
    Quote actually inclueds for high spec nordan windows and pumped insulation in cavities cousin doing plumbing / electrics for next to nothing so sorted there all rest done by builder

    Well to be honest june a lot of the forum members here are builders, architects, quantity surveyors and tradesmen, who would have an idea of the price of materials.


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    #158
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    this is what Im up against when I sit down with a cleint to dicsuss their project/design their house - they'll come up with unrealistic costings because of this type of research:
    June Bird wrote: »
    Not necessarily free labour it's just that in rural areas there are more tradesmen willing to do the rate per sq ft cheaper because it can be done and they can still make their profit...

    i got a quote in the north west for 1500 sq ft bungalow for 85k -
    black market labour by any chance?
    June Bird wrote: »
    no too many people on forum making comments without knowing prices of materials.
    Quote actually inclueds for high spec nordan windows and pumped insulation in cavities cousin doing plumbing / electrics for next to nothing so sorted there all rest done by builder
    so what type of drawings and spec were given to the builder to get this price? planning drawings by any chance?
    archtech wrote: »
    Please define
    1. high spec windows, double glazed, triple glazed u-ualue, certification etc
    2. the u-value of walls,
    3. type of heating etc
    4. What's your provisional ber rating .

    would love to see this answered
    kkelliher wrote: »
    No people living in a dreamland in probably closer to the mark. And again we have someone putting a figure out that is again including substantial free labour
    amen


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    #159
    kkelliher
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kkelliher


    kkelliher wrote: »
    No people living in a dreamland in probably closer to the mark. And again we have someone putting a figure out that is again includung ubstantial free labour

    and I have to stop using the iphone for typing as my spelling confirms ......:D


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    #160
    Jaap
    Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭Jaap


    1400sq ft bungalow in Mayo...coming in at just under 147k.
    That is builder's finish...no kitchen, no flooring, no painting, no wall tiling.
    House will be A3...MVHR unit, solar water heating, oil boiler with energy manager, 300mm pumped cavity wall, 400mm insulation in roofspace, 200mm insulation in floor, triple glazed windows, room heating woodburning stove, air permeability of 2, sanitaryware included.
    Main Contractor running the show.
    Solicitor fees, valuer fees, architect fees, esb, water, furniture all not included.
    Hopefully will be finished for Christmas...6 month build.


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    #161
    joeirish
    Registered Users Posts: 456 ✭✭joeirish


    Jaap wrote: »
    1400sq ft bungalow in Mayo...coming in at just under 147k.
    That is builder's finish...no kitchen, no flooring, no painting, no wall tiling.
    House will be A3...MVHR unit, solar water heating, oil boiler with energy manager, 300mm pumped cavity wall, 400mm insulation in roofspace, 200mm insulation in floor, triple glazed windows, room heating woodburning stove, air permeability of 2, sanitaryware included.
    Main Contractor running the show.
    Solicitor fees, valuer fees, architect fees, esb, water, furniture all not included.
    Hopefully will be finished for Christmas...6 month build.

    Hi Jaap

    That sounds interesting, not just the cost but the build method. Could you contact me so I can get some more details. Thanks


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    #162
    kkelliher
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kkelliher


    Jaap wrote: »
    1400sq ft bungalow in Mayo...coming in at just under 147k.
    That is builder's finish...no kitchen, no flooring, no painting, no wall tiling.
    House will be A3...MVHR unit, solar water heating, oil boiler with energy manager, 300mm pumped cavity wall, 400mm insulation in roofspace, 200mm insulation in floor, triple glazed windows, room heating woodburning stove, air permeability of 2, sanitaryware included.
    Main Contractor running the show.
    Solicitor fees, valuer fees, architect fees, esb, water, furniture all not included.
    Hopefully will be finished for Christmas...6 month build.

    Thanks for what appears to be one of the most realistic honest costing with detail displayed in a while. Best of luck with the finish and hope it all works well


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    #163
    Jaap
    Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭Jaap


    kkelliher wrote: »
    Thanks for what appears to be one of the most realistic honest costing with detail displayed in a while. Best of luck with the finish and hope it all works well

    My wife and I were shocked in March when the 3 tenders came back...our architect was telling us last year something like €80 a square foot, more or less turnkey! Saying that we were the first of his clients to build under the new 2011 regs.
    We had to leave out the garage and downgrade / remove a few electrical items...changed the roof from being a cut one to trusses...changed the make of radiators...switched from slates to tiles...got it down to a good price.
    Looking to get the house finished...kitchen, flooring, tiling, painting, fees and the essential pieces of furniture for 185k.
    If I do I will enjoy my Xmas! :D


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    #164
    Jaap
    Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭Jaap


    joeirish wrote: »
    Hi Jaap

    That sounds interesting, not just the cost but the build method. Could you contact me so I can get some more details. Thanks

    Sent you a PM.


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    #165
    yoloc
    Registered Users Posts: 375 ✭✭yoloc


    Jaap wrote: »
    1400sq ft bungalow in Mayo...coming in at just under 147k.
    That is builder's finish...no kitchen, no flooring, no painting, no wall tiling.
    House will be A3...MVHR unit, solar water heating, oil boiler with energy manager, 300mm pumped cavity wall, 400mm insulation in roofspace, 200mm insulation in floor, triple glazed windows, room heating woodburning stove, air permeability of 2, sanitaryware included.
    Main Contractor running the show.
    Solicitor fees, valuer fees, architect fees, esb, water, furniture all not included.
    Hopefully will be finished for Christmas...6 month build.



    147K i could build it for half that price, well i could have before these new regs come in as i dont think your legally aloud to do all the work yourself now. Ill be building my 2nd home at some stage in tge next decade so ill have to look out for loop holes on how to get around get around these regs because theres nothing like building your own home witg your own hands.


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    #166
    hexosan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭hexosan


    yoloc wrote: »
    147K i could build it for half that price, well i could have before these new regs come in as i dont think your legally aloud to do all the work yourself now. Ill be building my 2nd home at some stage in tge next decade so ill have to look out for loop holes on how to get around get around these regs because theres nothing like building your own home witg your own hands.

    Ill sit back and wait for the replies 😄


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    #167
    kkelliher
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kkelliher


    yoloc wrote: »
    147K i could build it for half that price, well i could have before these new regs come in as i dont think your legally aloud to do all the work yourself now. Ill be building my 2nd home at some stage in tge next decade so ill have to look out for loop holes on how to get around get around these regs because theres nothing like building your own home witg your own hands.

    only in Ireland...... AND for the god knows how manys times.... FREE labour or doing things yourself does not mean you are building for half as you are paying for it in other ways.......I could go on but based on the manner of your post why bother....


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    #168
    4Sticks
    Registered Users Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭4Sticks


    yoloc wrote: »
    147K i could build it ...

    I don't think so


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    #169
    yoloc
    Registered Users Posts: 375 ✭✭yoloc


    4Sticks wrote: »
    I don't think so



    Do you thickos not understand that some people can go 20 odd years and not once tie an extention into an old cottage. This doent mean that one cant build a new house.

    Tell me what you get out of following me about boads.ie and questioning my work. I bet your one of these miserable ****ers that gets a wee kick out of sitting behind your computer thinking your the dogs balls taking wee digs at others just to make you feel important.


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    #170
    archtech
    Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭archtech


    yoloc wrote: »
    147K i could build it for half that price, well i could have before these new regs come in as i dont think your legally aloud to do all the work yourself now. Ill be building my 2nd home at some stage in tge next decade so ill have to look out for loop holes on how to get around get around these regs because theres nothing like building your own home witg your own hands.
    yoloc wrote: »
    Do you thickos not understand that some people can go 20 odd years and not once tie an extention into an old cottage. This doent mean that one cant build a new house.

    Tell me what you get out of following me about boads.ie and questioning my work. I bet your one of these miserable ****ers that gets a wee kick out of sitting behind your computer thinking your the dogs balls taking wee digs at others just to make you feel important.
    yoloc wrote: »
    How does one pay for it in other ways, if you mean by losing out on a wage because has to be on site. What if one doesnt work or knows a legal loop hole on how to still get weekly money yet still build a house ;)

    Care to give a break down on how you could build a house for what you claim. I would certainly like to see your rates for concrete/block work, costs associated with achieving the required air tightness , heating proposals etc and also how you propose to achieve compliance with Part L 2011.

    We all know anyone can build a house or even a block of a few hundred apartments however just because one can build something doesn't mean it is built correctly or in compliance with the statutory regulations.


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    #171
    4Sticks
    Registered Users Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭4Sticks


    yoloc wrote: »
    What if one knows a legal loop hole on how to still get weekly money yet still build a house ;)

    Abusive , incompetent and dishonest. You really learnt a thing or two down Stepney way.



    ( with no disrespect intended to the decent folk of Stepney )


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    #172
    dines08
    Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭dines08


    I've made an offer on a site being sold by a builder with the option to get the house built. The builder has indicated he is willing to consider the offer and is coming back to me with a spec for the house on Monday. Has anybody any experience with this sort of process and how it would differ from buying the site and getting different quotes from different builders? Obviously I am tying myself to the one builder, I will perform all necessary checks on his previous work. From general research he has a good reputation and has been in operation since 1990. My main concern is due to the nature of the purchase that the specification of the house could be really scaled back in order to save money as he has reduced the price by over €300k since the ad was first placed. Any advice on the pitfalls and things to look out for will be greatly appreciated.


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    #173
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    dines08 wrote: »
    the specification of the house could be really scaled back in order to save money
    have a detailed set of drawings, specification, performance standard & contract drawn up by an architect & QS and retain these services throughout - thats normal practice and it applies in your case also

    if it were me, id be asking for an option on what the site sale price is only - and going to a QS to see what the build cost is separately


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    #174
    sean8carthy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 ✭sean8carthy


    Beanie13 wrote: »
    anyone know about timber framed houses? want to erect a simple dormer 3 bed and looking for average price.....

    any of my friends that built one wont be doing so in future concrete is the best. just look what happened to the three little pigs!


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    #175
    fclauson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭fclauson


    sean8carthy wrote: »
    any of my friends that built one wont be doing so in future concrete is the best. just look what happened to the three little pigs!

    some the oldest buildings in Europe are timber framed
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_framing


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    #176
    sean8carthy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 ✭sean8carthy


    fclauson wrote: »
    some the oldest buildings in Europe are timber framed
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_framing

    they were not using softwood and their climate is not as damp and humid as ireland .plus i dont think they had chipboard factories back in the 1500s. history tells us a lot that is why they are no old timber frame houses in ireland it just dont work


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    #177
    archtech
    Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭archtech


    sean8carthy wrote: »
    they were not using softwood and their climate is not as damp and humid as ireland .plus i dont think they had chipboard factories back in the 1500s. history tells us a lot that is why they are no old timber frame houses in ireland it just dont work

    We're moving off topic here to some degree, but done correctly timber frame in ireland will outlast poorly constructed masonry any day. Its as much about the quality and attention to detail of the build as it is anything else. Typically the lifespan of current construction (buildings) is an average of 60 years. (The lifespan is often extended by significant refurbishment)

    The only cost people generally are interested in, is the monitory cost at the time of building and possibly the cost of heating the building afterwards.The average house builder does not factor in lifecycle costings when building a house, when selecting materials etc and then there's the Carbon cost , which has yet to become a real factor.


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    #178
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    sean8carthy wrote: »
    any of my friends that built one wont be doing so in future concrete is the best. just look what happened to the three little pigs!

    ah yes, Pyrite much ???

    Lots of concrete houses never make it to the design life of 60 years too.

    As Archtech says, it's the quality of design/detailing and workmanship that makes a good house - components (of concrete, wood or anything else), is but one piece of the puzzle.

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    #179
    893bet
    Registered Users Posts: 9,002 ✭✭✭893bet


    Almost finished blockwork on my house. Fairly straightforward 2 story house in region of 2100 sq feet with 6 inch cavity.

    Cost to date

    Block laying labour- 6100
    First floor labour- 800
    First Floor materials-1900
    Sills and lintels 1600
    Blocks 4000 (not got final bill yet)
    Cement/wall ties/ plas/micell etc 700

    Total: 15,100


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    #180
    butler_767
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭butler_767


    I understand that I dont have nearly enough information but am I just dreaming or could it be possible to build a 3 bedroom bungalow (basic, nothing special) with a budget or 80 to 90k. Literally just had the thought as I was going to buy. I don't want to go into debt before I move in so that is about as far as I can stretch. I know that this information is way too vague but just wondering if people think im dreaming with this idea.


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    #181
    fclauson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭fclauson


    butler_767 wrote: »
    I understand that I dont have nearly enough information but am I just dreaming or could it be possible to build a 3 bedroom bungalow (basic, nothing special) with a budget or 80 to 90k. Literally just had the thought as I was going to buy. I don't want to go into debt before I move in so that is about as far as I can stretch. I know that this information is way too vague but just wondering if people think im dreaming with this idea.

    no:(


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