Can/will Rossi win MotoGP Races again??

CJhaughey

Magown3 wrote: »

With regard to Dovi, why on earth would he contemplate moving to a factory Ducati when he (I assume) could stay where he is on a much more competitive Yamaha? Same goes for Cal. I don't know why anyone would move to Ducati unless it was their complete last option to stay on the grid.

If Dovi DOES move to Ducati, it must mean he is tremendously p1ssed off with Yamaha for bringing in Rossi over himself. And if that's true, money on a pissed off Dovi to win this weekends Indy could be smart money

Dovi has thrown his toys out of the pram, he believed that he deserved a factory Yam and wasn't going to stay at Tech 3 for another year after his results so far this year.
Tech 3 have already signed Smith for next year and that only leaves one seat.
Plus he probably correctly believes that a full factory bike is the only way he can get to the top step.

Rossi vs Dovi? No contest, Rossi will not only bring himself but also a big name sponsor which Yamaha don't have and haven't had for 2 seasons.
Thats worth big money to Yamaha.

Dovi can be pissed off all he likes, he is still riding a satellite M1 and will be down by a few tenths per lap, this is why he is pissed off. Basically without a full factory bike he won't win unless everyone else on Factory Yamaha and Honda crash out.

Cal believes that he can ride the Ducati. Thats all he needs to believe.
And the bike is fast, that much is without question.
Its just getting it to steer and behave predictably is the problem.

Hotblack Desiato

Smith isn't good enough to be in MotoGP yet, and may never be, despite the BBC hype machine. I'll be very surprised if Tech3 give him a top class ride next year even though he was promised one. Scott Redding is a much better prospect (and has tested a Ducati) but I'd still be surprised if he moved up next year.

Magown3

ninja900 wrote: »

Smith isn't good enough to be in MotoGP yet, and may never be, despite the BBC hype machine. I'll be very surprised if Tech3 give him a top class ride next year even though he was promised one. Scott Redding is a much better prospect (and has tested a Ducati) but I'd still be surprised if he moved up next year.

I'd be surprised too looking at where he is inthe Moto2 class at the moment. I think the Eurosport guys said that there might have been a performance clause in the contract for next year. Maybe he has to finish top 5 in the championship this year to fulfill his moto gp contract for next year.

I agree with you on Redding tho. He's far bigger than the other riders he's up against but still gives them a good run for their money

Please Kill Me

CJhaughey wrote: »

Dovi has thrown his toys out of the pram, he believed that he deserved a factory Yam and wasn't going to stay at Tech 3 for another year after his results so far this year.
Tech 3 have already signed Smith for next year and that only leaves one seat.
Plus he probably correctly believes that a full factory bike is the only way he can get to the top step.

Rossi vs Dovi? No contest, Rossi will not only bring himself but also a big name sponsor which Yamaha don't have and haven't had for 2 seasons.
Thats worth big money to Yamaha.

Dovi can be pissed off all he likes, he is still riding a satellite M1 and will be down by a few tenths per lap, this is why he is pissed off. Basically without a full factory bike he won't win unless everyone else on Factory Yamaha and Honda crash out.

Cal believes that he can ride the Ducati. Thats all he needs to believe.
And the bike is fast, that much is without question.
Its just getting it to steer and behave predictably is the problem.

Great post and all true!!

Re: Cal - he's a good pilot and he's determined, there's no doubt about that. But Rossi/JB said they could fix the Ducati in no time and had to eat copious amounts of humble pie afterward, not realising what a dog it is. One of the quickest bikes out there, but not worth a sh!te if it won't go round corners. And Cal likes to be able to have good corner speed.

CJhaughey

Please Kill Me wrote: »

Great post and all true!!

Re: Cal - he's a good pilot and he's determined, there's no doubt about that. But Rossi/JB said they could fix the Ducati in no time and had to eat copious amounts of humble pie afterward, not realising what a dog it is. One of the quickest bikes out there, but not worth a sh!te if it won't go round corners. And Cal likes to be able to have good corner speed.

See thats the thing about Ducati, both Rossi and Stoner before complained that necessary development on the GP bike wasn't being done.
Stoner could adapt to the bike and still put himself on the podium, but as the Honda and Yamaha evolved you could see that he was riding the thing beyond its limits and crashing a lot more.
Rossi OTOH was confident that he could make the thing work, but thats contingent on the factory being supportive to the ideas and feedback that he provided.
He provides feedback that engineers can work with, like Yamaha and the crossplane crankshaft. Furusawa mentioned that they gave a ****load of different configurations to him to try and Rossi picked the crossplane out of them all and gave them confidence to go down that route.
Thats feedback that is hugely valuable to a factory as long as they act on it.
And thats been the problem since 07 when Casey Stoner won, Ducati have believed that their machine is good enough and only needs a little tinkering to make it right.
Compare that to Honda, the RCV suffers chatter so what do HRC do? Make a couple of brand new chassis to try and fix it.

Please Kill Me

CJhaughey wrote: »

See thats the thing about Ducati, both Rossi and Stoner before complained that necessary development on the GP bike wasn't being done.
Stoner could adapt to the bike and still put himself on the podium, but as the Honda and Yamaha evolved you could see that he was riding the thing beyond its limits and crashing a lot more.
Rossi OTOH was confident that he could make the thing work, but thats contingent on the factory being supportive to the ideas and feedback that he provided.
He provides feedback that engineers can work with, like Yamaha and the crossplane crankshaft. Furusawa mentioned that they gave a ****load of different configurations to him to try and Rossi picked the crossplane out of them all and gave them confidence to go down that route.
Thats feedback that is hugely valuable to a factory as long as they act on it.
And thats been the problem since 07 when Casey Stoner won, Ducati have believed that their machine is good enough and only needs a little tinkering to make it right.
Compare that to Honda, the RCV suffers chatter so what do HRC do? Make a couple of brand new chassis to try and fix it.

See, this is key!!! The factory HAVE to act on it and Ducati never believed they had a serious issue! Jesus they told Melandri ha had to see a psychiatrist cos there was nothing wrong with the bike!! Nutters! :pac:

On another note, I believe it's Dovi going to Ducati and not Cal???

Andrea Dovizioso is tipped to take the place of fellow Italian Valentino Rossi at the factory Ducati MotoGP team next season.

It was officially confirmed on Friday that seven time MotoGP champion Rossi will return to Yamaha in 2013, having taken just two podiums from 27 starts on the Desmosedici.

According to the Italian media, including GPone.com and SportMediaset.it, Dovizioso has agreed a two-year deal to take over The Doctor's Ducati.

Dovi would ride alongside Nicky Hayden, who has already signed a new one-year contract extension.

Dovizioso replaced Hayden at the factory Honda team in 2009, where he went on to win one race and finish a best of third in last year's championship, but lost his Repsol seat when the team cut back from three to two riders.

The former 125c world champion thus switched to Tech 3 this year, where he has already scored four podiums - the most ever by a Tech 3 rider in a single season - and holds fourth place, as the leading satellite rider, in the world championship.

Dovizioso - who had never raced a Yamaha or 1000cc machine before this season - hoped such results would lead to a factory M1 ride for 2013, until Rossi's return was announced. Dovizioso's Tech 3 team-mate Cal Crutchlow had been strongly linked to a factory Ducati ride earlier in the year.

Once Hayden's team-mate is confirmed, it will mean that all six factory MotoGP seats for 2013 have been decided.

paddy147

Rossi and JB cant force the Ducati Head Honchos to do or change anything.

Rossi and JB said that the carbon frame had to be diteched in order to start making progress.

Ducatis head honchos basicly told Rossi and JB to fcuk off and that they would use what they were given.

Ducati was all about "look at us and our beautifull and sexy 1 piece carbon frame and swing arm".

IF they had have listened to Rossi and JB from the word go,then maybe Rossi wouldnt be leaving from Yamaha and maybe the Ducati would be a much better package than what it is now.

Theres no doubt that Rossi and JB have evloved the bike...but you can only do so much with the Ducati,when their head honchos keep throwing their weight around and telling you no.


Which leads me to believe that the only reason that Ducati ever paid big bucks for Rossi,was to be more so seen and not heard...(image is everything in Italy).



Anyway getting back to my original thread title...........

Yes Rossi can and will win again.Id say he will be very eager to wipe the floor with alot of them at the 1st race in 2013 too.

Please Kill Me

paddy147 wrote: »

....IF they had have listened to Rossi and JB from the word go,then maybe Rossi wouldnt be leaving from Yamaha and maybe the Ducati would be a much better package than what it is now.

Theres no doubt that Rossi and JB have evloved the bike...but you can only do so much with the Ducati,when their head honchos keep throwing their weight around and telling you no.....

And this has been VR/JB's problem from day 1!! It's nothing to do with their ability but more to do with the fact there was a limit on what they were allowed to change!

paddy147 wrote: »

Anyway getting back to my original thread title...........

Yes Rossi can and will win again.Id say he will be very eager to wipe the floor with alot of them at the 1st race in 2013 too.

I hope so, I really do!! THAT'D stick it to Ducati!!!

paddy147

Bradley Smith in MotoGP next year with Tech3........according to Moto GP sources and TV stations.

Are Tech 3 completely MAD?????

Smith is not a MotoGP rider,hes just about a Moto2 rider (questionable at that too),so theres no way in hell he will cut it in MotoGP.

I think Tech3 are making a big misstake here with Smith.

Sorry,but In my eyes,Smith is not good enough for MotoGP.

Smith should stay in Moto2 for at least another year and actually learn how to ride a Moto2 bike and get propper results.

CJhaughey

paddy147 wrote: »

Bradley Smith in MotoGP next year with Tech3........according to Moto GP sources and TV stations.

Where have you been for the last 6 months?
He had a contract with Tech3 for ages, but I think there is a performance clause in it.

paddy147

CJhaughey wrote: »

Where have you been for the last 6 months?
He had a contract with Tech3 for ages, but I think there is a performance clause in it.

Eh,I know hes been a Tech 3 rider for a few years now...but Tech3 are keeping very quiet of whether Smith will be on their bike in MotoGP next year...(even though Smith himself and other MotoGP sources seem to think so).

Ive watched Smith come up through the ranks,from 125s..but to me,hes just not good enough (at the moment) for a Tech3 Yamaha M1 ride in MotoGP.

Please Kill Me

paddy147 wrote: »

Ive watched Smith come up through the ranks,from 125s..but to me,hes just not good enough (at the moment) for a Tech3 Yamaha M1 ride in MotoGP.

No, he's definitely not!! There are way better riders in Moto2 than him FFS!

CJhaughey

I am not sure that Moto3 or even Moto2 prepares a rider for MotoGP bikes.
You go from 125hp to 250hp from Moto2 to MGP, thats a huge jump and its not just the power.
Think about all the Superbike champions that have tried their hand at MotoGP and come nowhere.
Nico Terol was last years champ in 125 class but in Moto2 he is midpack at best.
Maybe Smith has something on a MotoGP bike that we haven't seen?
Tech3 is a pretty savvy outfit and they must have seen something that impressed them otherwise they wouldn't have signed him for the premier class bikes.

paddy147

Its official...Dovi has signed with Ducati for 2 years.

I hope Dovi knows what hes doing and how much of a challenge the Ducati and its team will be.

Crutchlow is now rumored to be going to the Gresini San Carlo Team next year and ride their HRC Factory Honda bike.

Please Kill Me

paddy147 wrote: »

Its official...Dovi has signed with Ducati for 2 years.

I hope Dovi knows what hes doing and how much of a challenge the Ducati and its team will be.

Aye. It'll either kill his career or boost it!

paddy147 wrote: »

Crutchlow is now rumored to be going to the Gresini San Carlo Team next year and ride their HRC Factory Honda bike.

Interesting! Question: is the bike Bautista is riding not the bike Simoncelli (God rest him) had last year? Cos Simo was always fighting at the sharp end, I was expecting Alvaro to be doing the same! Having said that, Bautista spends a lot of time behind the two Tech 3's, so hopefully Cal won't be taking a step back!

CJhaughey

The Gresini RCV is an interesting machine, not quite the same as Bradls because its running Showa suspension and Nissin Brakes.
Wonder how he'll cope with it.
I don't think Bautista is as good as Simoncelli was, even though he was on the GSR-V and it was difficult to draw comparisons he never looked as good.

Please Kill Me

CJhaughey wrote: »

The Gresini RCV is an interesting machine, not quite the same as Bradls...

Is it basically not another Repsol factory bike, but slightly less toys? That's how Simo was so competitive on it, well...that and he was an animal!

Wonda-Boy

Makes for very good reading....

http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=Crutchlow-set-to-turn-his-back-on-MotoGP&newsid=7806

Have to say I would be sick as a dog to see him go.....he is IMHO a talented rider.

Please Kill Me

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Makes for very good reading....

http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=Crutchlow-set-to-turn-his-back-on-MotoGP&newsid=7806

Have to say I would be sick as a dog to see him go.....he is IMHO a talented rider.

WOW!! :eek:

God I hope it doesn't come to that! He's one of the few characters in the paddock, and talented too. But you can see where he's coming from!

KamiKazi

Wonder what odds Paddy Power are giving for Rossi to get a win sometime next year.

Would be worth a €100 punt.

Hotblack Desiato

Crutchlow needs to improve his attitude sharpish, or else rev up and f**k off to WSB where you can win but nobody cares.

Wonda-Boy

I can see his point about wages but the other riders on 40 times his wages or whatever ( I bet its Rossi he is talking about) have actually won the moto gp championship. Although he is a talent, in moto gp terms he has not done a thing. In total over the last 2 seasons he has had 27 starts with no wins, no podiums not even a pole in qualifying over the 2 terms yet he wants big bucks!

He signed the contract for tech 3 and must of been happy with it....Its not like he would be short a few quid now is it.

Still hope he sticks around all the same I like him.

paddy147

Crutchlow is on a very competitive machine allready.

If that link is true and what it says of Crutchlow.........

Hes now bitching and ranting,because he himself has lost focus on the Tech 3 M1 and also that his team mate (Dovi) is getting on the podium (5 podiums in 7 races) and beating him all the time now.



He needs to shut up,sharpen up,knuckle down,and ride the M1 like he used to in the beginning of the season.

Stop looking for excuses and complaining.

Ride well,get some podiums and then teams will take note of you.

Sids Not

Cal............have a Snickers.............:D

KamiKazi

paddy147 wrote: »

Crutchlow is on a very competitive machine allready.

If that link is true and what it says of Crutchlow.........

Hes now bitching and ranting,because he himself has lost focus on the Tech 3 M1 and also that his team mate (Dovi) is getting on the podium (5 podiums in 7 races) and beating him all the time now.



He needs to shut up,sharpen up,knuckle down,and ride the M1 like he used to in the beginning of the season.

Stop looking for excuses and complaining.

Ride well,get some podiums and then teams will take note of you.

you were saying?

paddy147

KamiKazi wrote: »

you were saying?

In the last few weeks,Crutchlows whole attitude seems to have changed.

His mentality and focus seems to be gone astray.

And its shows too.

Thats what Im saying.;)


I havent seen qualifying yet...(not on Setanta live this afternoon,for some strange reason)....so I hope he gets a good grid slot for tomorrows Bruno MotoGP and he gets a good race result too...for his own sake and mental well being.

CJhaughey

Tech 3 have resigned Cal, He'd better show some results now that his nearest rival has gone to ride the turnip tractor.
Brno would be a good start.

KamiKazi

CJhaughey wrote: »

Tech 3 have resigned Cal, He'd better show some results now that his nearest rival has gone to ride the turnip tractor.
Brno would be a good start.

Resigned Cal?

he's confirmed that he'll be riding with them next year

Wonda-Boy

I think he meant re-signed Cal...as in extended his contract. Not kicked him to touch.....

Wonda-Boy

CJhaughey wrote: »

Tech 3 have resigned Cal, He'd better show some results now that his nearest rival has gone to ride the turnip tractor.
Brno would be a good start.

Have they given him 40 times his previous wage? :pac::pac::pac:

paddy147

Crutchlow and Smith confirmed as riders for Tech 3 MotoGP team next year.

Smith qialified 15th in Moto2 and finished 8th this morning.

Crutchlow has qualified "2nd" in MotoGP,and we will wait and see what happens,.

MotoGP race is starting in 5 minutes time,Live on Setants and BBC



PS-Rossi is in 6th..but dont forget that we are missing Stoner and also Hayden this weekend,due to serious accidents last week.

paddy147

Ben Spies crashes out of the race again.


Rummors now going around that Spies is off to Gresini Honda for 2013.

paddy147

WOW...Pedrosa wins (just barely)

Lorenzo is 2nd...by a whisker.

Crutchlow is 3rd....WELL DONE CAL....about time.

1st time in 12 years that a British Rider has got on a Grand Prix/MotoGP podium.

Rossi...a lonely 7th place...with a smokey Ducati


PS-Lorenzos champoinship lead is now down to 13 points,with Pedrosa in 2nd.

KamiKazi

Delighted for Cal!

Sids Not

Why hasnt this thread been moved to "motorsport"..........

paddy147

Sids Not wrote: »

Why hasnt this thread been moved to "motorsport"..........

Motor "Bikes"...which include all types of bikes,whether they be road bikes or race bikes.


Why dont you go back onto the Tony Bannon RIP thread and complain some more there.:rolleyes:

Sids Not

paddy147 wrote: »

Why dont you go back onto the Tony Bannon RIP thread and complain some more there.:rolleyes:

Totally dis-respectful there pal...............

paddy147

Sids Not wrote: »

Totally dis-respectful there pal...............

Would like to read YOUR OWN post on that thread.

You want to try and talk about dis-respectfull??


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056652760


Take a long hard look at what you posted on that thread.




PS-Try quoting a persons "entire" post and not what you seem to fit to try and use for your own silly pointless posts.

paddy147

Back on topic now please.

Wonda-Boy

Another great performance from the talented Spies......:rolleyes:

And a 1st podium for a british rider for 12yrs with Cal in 3rd......

paddy147

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Another great performance from the talented Spies......:rolleyes:

And a 1st podium for a british rider for 12yrs with Cal in 3rd......

It was nice to that Cal was able to pull the lead back to Dovi out from 1.9 seconds to 2.7 seconds towards the end of the race.

He rode very well and very cleverly today.:)

KamiKazi

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Another great performance from the talented Spies......:rolleyes:

And a 1st podium for a british rider for 12yrs with Cal in 3rd......

I suppose you'd be able to win with a slipping clutch?

I noticed that you didn't mention the fact that he was in 2nd last week when his engine failed, suppose that's his fault too...

Wonda-Boy

KamiKazi wrote: »

I suppose you'd be able to win with a slipping clutch?

I noticed that you didn't mention the fact that he was in 2nd last week when his engine failed, suppose that's his fault too...

I notice you only have something to say when there is a mechanical problem with SPIES because that is the only way you can justify your point which says it all really :rolleyes:, but say nothing when he bins it due to rider error. So what if he was 2nd when his engine blew, he dam well would not have finished in that position....he was winning 2 or 3 races this year before he BINNED it but you not waffling about that are you :pac::pac::pac:

Man you really need to get some facts or statistics to back up your waffles...dont worry the gang will be along in a minute to give you 5 "thanx" under your posts to give you some credibility on the matter......PMSL

Wonda-Boy

paddy147 wrote: »

It was nice to that Cal was able to pull the lead back to Dovi out from 1.9 seconds to 2.7 seconds towards the end of the race.

He rode very well and very cleverly today.:)

He was over the moon, I really taught Dovi would have caught him. And was surprised that Alvaro B took Rossi aswell as Bradl.

Roll on San Marino....also just read that J Rea will be testing the Stoner machine IIRC for a few weeks while MR S recovers.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2012/August/Jonathan-Rea-set-to-test-for-Repsol-Honda-in-Brno/

KamiKazi

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

KamiKazi wrote: »

I suppose you'd be able to win with a slipping clutch?

I noticed that you didn't mention the fact that he was in 2nd last week when his engine failed, suppose that's his fault too...

I notice you only have something to say when there is a mechanical problem with SPIES because that is the only way you can justify your point which says it all really :rolleyes:, but say nothing when he bins it due to rider error. So what if he was 2nd when his engine blew, he dam well would not have finished in that position....he was winning 2 or 3 races this year before he BINNED it but you not waffling about that are you :pac::pac::pac:

Man you really need to get some facts or statistics to back up your waffles...dont worry the gang will be along in a minute to give you 5 "thanx" under your posts to give you some credibility on the matter......PMSL

yes he has binned his bike due to rider error, name one world class rider that hasn't?

what's that? you can't think if one? oh no

Please Kill Me

Not a bad race at all. Great last lap, nice to see a clean, fair battle. Delighted for Pedrosa. 13 points behind Jorge and how many races left?? This could be his only chance of winning a championship, let's hope he has somewhat of a chance.

As for the rest, Bradl consistant again, he's a good lad. Spies pushing a wee bit too hard to make up lost time and bins it. bet he can't wait for the end of the season! Nice ride by Cal too. Chuffed for him.

Zascar

Lads quit the bickering I'm getting pretty tired of this - locks or bans will follow.

Sids Not

paddy147 wrote: »

Motor "Bikes"...which include all types of bikes,whether they be road bikes or race bikes.


Why dont you go back onto the Tony Bannon RIP thread and complain some more there.:rolleyes:

Zascar wrote: »

Lads quit the bickering I'm getting pretty tired of this - locks or bans will follow.

Here here.........;)

Wonda-Boy

KamiKazi wrote: »

world class rider

Talk about back tracking....:rolleyes:

Ohh so he is gone from talented to world class.....tell me this Kami what makes him world class? I am all ears....

His consistency? His mulitple motogp championships? Cant even hold onto his current team, maybe yamaha should listen to you. What are they doing letting this world class talent slip through their fingers.

:o:o:o

paddy147

@ Sids Not.......Maybe you could actually contribute a proper post or 2 in relation to the "actual thread title and topic".????


This is a good informative thread with quite a few people posting informative links and stories on Rossi,Crutchlow,Dovi and other MotoGP and Moto2 riders and manufacturers.


So lets keep it that way please.