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'Mythical' rules

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  • #102
    ForeRight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    GreeBo wrote: »
    18-1
    Replace it.
    If after the second drop the ball is still not in play then you place it at the point it first struck the course on the second drop.
    Note that you can only re drop if the ball is not in play after the first drop, not just because you don't like the lie!

    Ok cheers for that.


  • #103
    G1032
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    mag wrote: »
    Whyner wrote: »
    Good questions and good answers above. The last one is now allowed as you are improving your line of play (13-2/6 Replacing Divot in Divot Hole on Line of Play)

    PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE:
    Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.

    i guess you you mean the last one is not allowed, as fixing the pitchmark off the green is deemed as improving your line of play. right?
    Wrong. .......some of the time!!!
    If the plug mark which is off the green was made AFTER your ball came to rest then you are entitled to repair it.
    If the plug mark was there before your ball came to rest then you are not allowed to repair it.


  • #104
    G1032
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    Whyner wrote: »
    WHIP IT! wrote: »
    Lads, can someone clear up a 'plugmark' rule in the following scenarios please - I believe they were amended in recent years...

    1) I play my approach shot to the green, it lands on the putting surface but finishes off it... am I permitted to repair my own plugmark before playing my next shot?

    2) I play my approach shot to the green, it lands off the green (ie, fringe) but finishes on the green... am I permitted to repair that pitchmark before putting?

    3) I play my approach shot to the green, it finishes off the green and I have a pitchmark from another player (ie, not the pithmark from my shot) in my line on the green... am I permitted to repair this pitchmark? Would I be permitted to repair it if it (the pitchmark) was off the green?

    Thanks in advance

    Good questions and good answers above. The last one is not allowed as you are improving your line of play (13-2/6 Replacing Divot in Divot Hole on Line of Play)

    PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE:
    Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.
    On the phone so can't multi quote but again if the plug mark was made after your ball came to rest then your can repair it


  • #105
    GreeBo
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    G1032 wrote: »
    Wrong. .......some of the time!!!
    If the plug mark which is off the green was made AFTER your ball came to rest then you are entitled to repair it.
    If the plug mark was there before your ball came to rest then you are not allowed to repair it.

    Please quote the rule when you make statements like this.
    16-1 (c) has no mention of what you state above.

    I think you are confusing this with (for example) a ball in a bunker. You are entitled to return the bunker to the condition it was in when you ball first landed there (i.e. someone else plays out of the bunker before you do, you can rake it before you play) Same if someone chunks a divot onto your ball on the fairway etc.

    You can repair a pitch mark or old hole mark on the green at any time!

    /edit
    If what you said was true then you wouldnt be able to repair your own pitchmark!


  • #106
    fullstop
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    Please quote the rule when you make statements like this.
    16-1 (c) has no mention of what you state above.

    I think you are confusing this with (for example) a ball in a bunker. You are entitled to return the bunker to the condition it was in when you ball first landed there (i.e. someone else plays out of the bunker before you do, you can rake it before you play) Same if someone chunks a divot onto your ball on the fairway etc.

    You can repair a pitch mark or old hole mark on the green at any time!

    /edit
    If what you said was true then you wouldnt be able to repair your own pitchmark!
    You're not allowed repair your pitchmark if it's off the green and the ball is off the green...


  • #107
    Whyner
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    fullstop wrote: »
    You're not allowed repair your pitchmark if it's off the green and the ball is off the green...

    Read the full sentence


  • #108
    Whyner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭Whyner


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Please quote the rule when you make statements like this.
    16-1 (c) has no mention of what you state above.

    I think you are confusing this with (for example) a ball in a bunker. You are entitled to return the bunker to the condition it was in when you ball first landed there (i.e. someone else plays out of the bunker before you do, you can rake it before you play) Same if someone chunks a divot onto your ball on the fairway etc.

    You can repair a pitch mark or old hole mark on the green at any time!

    /edit
    If what you said was true then you wouldnt be able to repair your own pitchmark!

    He's correct, but the rule is:

    13-2/8 Player's Lie or Line of Play Affected by Pitch-Mark Made by Partner's, Opponent's or Fellow-Competitor's Ball

    A player's lie or line of play through the green is affected by a pitch-mark made by his partner's, his opponent's or a fellow-competitor's ball. Is the player entitled to relief?

    If the pitch-mark was there before the player's ball came to rest, he is not entitled to relief without penalty.
    If the pitch-mark was created after the player's ball came to rest, in equity (Rule 1-4) he may repair the pitch-mark. A player is entitled to the lie which his stroke gave him.

    Nice correction addendum


  • #109
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,406 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Sorry I had missed the part where he was specifically talking about off the green.

    In my defence I didnt disagree with the rule he was actually talking about.

    "You are entitled to return the bunker to the condition it was in when you ball first landed there"
    But its a tough one to call from 150m down the fairway :D


  • #110
    G1032
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    G1032 wrote: »
    Wrong. .......some of the time!!!
    If the plug mark which is off the green was made AFTER your ball came to rest then you are entitled to repair it.
    If the plug mark was there before your ball came to rest then you are not allowed to repair it.

    Please quote the rule when you make statements like this.
    16-1 (c) has no mention of what you state above.

    I think you are confusing this with (for example) a ball in a bunker. You are entitled to return the bunker to the condition it was in when you ball first landed there (i.e. someone else plays out of the bunker before you do, you can rake it before you play) Same if someone chunks a divot onto your ball on the fairway etc.

    You can repair a pitch mark or old hole mark on the green at any time!

    /edit
    If what you said was true then you wouldnt be able to repair your own pitchmark!
    No I'm not confusing it with a ball in the bunker.
    Like I said in an earlier post yesterday I'm posting from my phone. It's just too much hassle to go find and post the rule.
    I'll refrain from making such statements in future while on my phone.


  • #111
    TheDoc
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    BigChap1759 wrote: »
    That you're allowed relief if a sprinkler head is in your line just off the green - tough luck unless your course has a local rule

    In fairness, only a ****ter club doesnt have that local rule, or the club doesn't have sprinkler heads.


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  • #112
    fullstop
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    Whyner wrote: »
    Read the full sentence

    What? I did read the full sentence. The OP referred to pitchmarks off the green, GreeBo was talking about on the green


  • #113
    golfwallah
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    BigChap1759 wrote: »
    That you're allowed relief if a sprinkler head is in your line just off the green - tough luck unless your course has a local rule
    TheDoc wrote: »
    In fairness, only a ****ter club doesnt have that local rule, or the club doesn't have sprinkler heads.

    I wouldn't be so sure that many clubs have a local rule covering this point.

    I never noticed such a rule on notice boards. In fact, reading the earlier post is the first time I became aware of it and the specimen rule (in Appendix I - Section 6, "Immovable Obstructions Close to Putting Green") is a bit long winded to fit on a score card.


  • #114
    TheDoc
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    golfwallah wrote: »
    I wouldn't be so sure that many clubs have a local rule covering this point.

    I never noticed such a rule on notice boards. In fact, reading the earlier post is the first time I became aware of it and the specimen rule (in Appendix I - Section 6, "Immovable Obstructions Close to Putting Green") is a bit long winded to fit on a score card.

    Alot of courses have better sprinkler mechanisms or have a slab of grass/artificial grass to cover sprinkler heads around the green during competition time.

    Obviously this is expensive and while its not expected every club has it, every club should have sprinkler head relief. The difference in wanting to putt the ball 10th and having to use a wedge is massive, and its a massive disadvantage.

    Sprinkler head relief should be a R&A rule at this point.


  • #115
    Whyner
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    fullstop wrote: »
    What? I did read the full sentence. The OP referred to pitchmarks off the green, GreeBo was talking about on the green

    Ah right, thought you were referring to the highlighted on the green part, sorry


  • #116
    golfwallah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭golfwallah


    TheDoc wrote: »
    Alot of courses have better sprinkler mechanisms or have a slab of grass/artificial grass to cover sprinkler heads around the green during competition time.

    Agreed that most courses have sprinkler mechanisms (mostly for irrigation of greens and tees) but, I doubt if many of the approximately 420 registered clubs in Ireland have a slab of grass / artificial grass covering sprinkler heads around greens (even during competition time). I don’t claim to play that much outside my own club, but whenever I have played competitions at courses away from home, I haven’t noticed any with the coverings you describe. I’ve never noticed them watching golf on TV either.

    I saw some reference to tray attachments for sprinkler heads through Google but couldn’t find anything on suppliers’ (e.g. Toro) sites. All that aside, I doubt if many clubs would be prepared to incur the extra capital and maintenance costs involved in such covers, but would be interested to heard other views.
    TheDoc wrote: »
    Obviously this is expensive and while its not expected every club has it, every club should have sprinkler head relief. The difference in wanting to putt the ball 10th and having to use a wedge is massive, and its a massive disadvantage.

    Local rules permitting sprinkler head relief is another thing altogether. But again, I haven’t seen much evidence of such local rules being in force.

    I don’t disagree that a local rule is a good idea, it’s just that member clubs tend to be run by voluntary committees whose members are not likely to be aware of such little known local rules.
    TheDoc wrote: »
    Sprinkler head relief should be a R&A rule at this point.

    On this point, I don’t disagree either, but the next rules change is not due until 2015 and I haven’t heard any demand for such a rule change at any of the Leinster GUI AGMs I attended.


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