Parent & Child Parking Spaces - A Poll

the groutch

I'd prefer see the who P&C space thing done away with and have them turned into extra disabled parking.

eviltwin

the groutch wrote: »

I'd prefer see the who P&C space thing done away with and have them turned into extra disabled parking.

Agree with you there

humbert

People who bring children anywhere should be made park as far away as possible to postpone the misery they will inevitably bring to everyone else.

dark crystal

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

C'mon now, just 'cause your little one's are wrecking your lives and took away all the freedom you once had, doesn't mean you can go around calling people names.

Easy up there, parents, it'll get better in 18+ years.

You sound rather anti-parent there. You do know you were the product of a couple yourself, yeah? Do you have as much disrespect towards your own?

allibastor

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

If I go to the supermarket 3 times per week and walk an extra 30 seconds to/from my car, that means I take an unnecessary 159 minutes or 2 hours 39 minutes per year out of my life to accomodate somebody else's life choices.

I don't really see a reason why I would do that.

If kids start being hurt/killed en mass in carparks then by all means, go for it, but as far as I'm aware there isn't a problem with this happening these days.

also, it is not your life choice to go to the shops that many times in a year, why not go twice a week and save yourself more time.

WolfgangWeisen

eviltwin wrote: »

Why do they have to be right up the front of the car park right beside the door anyway?

If its simply a matter of more space why not shove them down the back? I'm sure there will be no issues with a lack of spaces then

I'd be interested to see if they put the P&C spaces right around the back and created a designated, blocked off route, for the parents to walk around to the front, would they be used?

I don't f**king think so personally. I've seen parents pull up and park in disabled spaces and on the yellow box loading zone when there's no spaces beside the front door for them enough times to know that this extends beyond "safety" for them into "look! We had a child! convenience us now!".

stovelid

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

C'mon now, just 'cause your little one's are wrecking your lives and took away all the freedom you once had, doesn't mean you can go around calling people names.

Easy up there, parents, it'll get better in 18+ years.

It's OK for you.

We're lumbered with kids as a result of having sex with people.

Not an eventuality that will ever trouble you, I'd guess.

Crooked Jack

I have no issue with parent and child parking spaces but have parked in them once or twice if im going to be quick or am in a hurry.
When it comes to parkin niggles the biggest issue is cunts who cant park between the lines and end up taking two spaces, or even more infuriatingly, going over the lines just enough so that the other space is to small for anything but a mini.
Those bastards should be fined and/or shot.

Feisar

A money making venture decided to put special car parking spaces in for parents and children in a bid to attract families, so what it's hardly something to take umbrage with.

I don't see it any different than the 10 Items or Less check out queues.

miller50841

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

The question: Do you park in the parent and child spaces at the supermarket/shopping centre?

I am childless and have no qualms about parking in these myself and from looking at other people parking, it appears most don't either. However, in the 6 years of going to the same supermarket a few times per week, I have had an angry mother or two come ranting at me over me parking there. In response, I've offered to call the Gardai and have them come and sort it out, but they never seem to want to take up my offer

My reasoning: Having kids is a personal choice and good for you if you do it, however I'm not going to let someone else's personal choices infringe on me where possible. I look at the P&C spaces as being the same as a space marked for Porsche drivers i.e they can f*ck right off if they think I'm not going to park in a space near to the door that isn't allotted to those with disabilities.

Before someone brings it up, they're not the same as disabled spaces so don't go there. In fact, if you feel you having kids is a disability then you'd really want to take a long hard look at yourself.

On another note, why is it that they seem to only use pictures of a woman + child to mark these spaces? Bit unfair on Dads out there, is it not?

Anonymous poll added.

Your an idiot...
The main reason for these spaces are just to make it a little bit easier to get your kids in and out of the car as in normal spaces there isn't as much space between cars. Remember you were once a child imagine how hard your mum and dad found it getting you in and out of their car with your enormous head...:pac:

Don't worry some day you will p**s off the wrong person.

The shops should clamp the idiots like you there is no point saying you will happily get the cops its a civil matter and won't get involved

smash

allibastor wrote: »

also, it is not your life choice to go to the shops that many times in a year, why not go twice a week and save yourself more time.

He's got money to blow... over 5k a year did you not hear? €100 a week on shopping for himself like!

Lollipops23

the groutch wrote: »

I'd prefer see the who P&C space thing done away with and have them turned into extra disabled parking.

Erm to be honest anywhere I go tends to only have maybe 10% of the disabled parking in use at any one time.

paddydriver

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

I think they'd prefer me and the €5000+ I spend there every year on groceries to keep coming back.

Me and the €5000+ I put into the place every year will go elsewhere,

OP.. what's with ye and your €5k... you are starting to sound like Dr Evil now holding the world to ransom.

Maybe if you got such a big chip on the shoulder you would be best go spend that money on a getting a bigger dick? - or are you just a big dick already;)

juan.kerr

It's like those stupid 'Children on board' stickers. Not my problem.

Wossack

Dont park in them, as Im not a parent, and am not inconsiderate

Medusa22

I agree with you OP, I don't see the purpose of mother and child spaces. I have a disabled badge and the mother and child spaces are sometimes nearer to the door and this really annoys me.

I also agree that if they do exist then they should be for parents and children, not just mothers.

I often find it difficult to get a disabled space and I have to struggle to the door even though there are plenty of these parent and child spaces.

Having children is optional, you don't deserve special treatment if you have them.

Mr. Manager

the groutch wrote: »

I'd prefer see the who P&C space thing done away with and have them turned into extra disabled parking.

Why?

When was the last time you saw all the disabled spaces full up?

They should change the position of those P&C spaces with the disabled spaces. Makes no sense why parents get to be closer than those with a disability.

humbert

I hope the people who see it as being inconsiderate realise those parking spaces are there because families spend more, not because having children makes it difficult to walk.

Wetbench4

Parents have taken it upon themselves to sacrifice at least 18 years and thousands of euro to keep the human race going. What have you done OP

If it wasnt for parents there would be no-one to work at the shopping centre. I think they deserve to park a few feet closer to the door.

stovelid

Medusa22 wrote: »

Having children is optional, you don't deserve special treatment if you have them.

In fairness, it's not really special treatment as such as they don't have any legal basis. It's just a business decision to put them in to accommodate families.

Like I said, I only use them when I have the kids but I'm not pushed about them one way or another and certainly don't look out for them.

What really boils my piss is inconsiderate parking: non-disabled people taking up wheelchair spaces; bad parking and parking across access paths etc.

WolfgangWeisen

Wetbench4 wrote: »

I'd be more considerate OP, you might have kids yourself one day, god forbid. Or you could end up in a wheelchair. Maybe then you'd see the bigger picture.

If I have kids then I'll accept that it was my choice, my responsibility and not demand conveniences be made at a cost to others.

Having kids and being in a wheelchair are not the same by the way and I'd sooner drive to another shop than take a disabled space.

humbert wrote: »

People who bring children anywhere should be made park as far away as possible to postpone the misery they will inevitably bring to everyone else.

Lol

allibastor wrote: »

also, it is not your life choice to go to the shops that many times in a year, why not go twice a week and save yourself more time.

The shops should be glad I go so often as I inevitably end up wasting money there in doing so

juan.kerr

Wetbench4 wrote: »

Parents have taken it upon themselves to sacrifice at least 18 years and thousands of euro to keep the human race going. What have you done OP

He makes regular sperm bank donations so he's doing his bit for the human race.

RaRaRasputin

miller50841 wrote: »

Your an idiot...

The shops should clamp the idiots like you there is no point saying you will happily get the cops its a civil matter and won't get involved

You're obviously a great debater if you have to resort to multiple insults...bravo

A2LUE42

One of the ressons for these spaces is that it allows enough room to put a child into a carseat. Because of the number of idiots in this country who seem incapable of parking correctly in a normal space and leaving enough space on either side. It is done to encourage parents with small children to shop.

forfuxsake

xzanti wrote: »

Also to minimise walking distance to the shop if it's lashing rain and you have a baby in a buggy/car seat.. and they're extra wide for easy access to the vehicle with said baby/car seat..

What he said about the baby seat.

To put a toddler into the car you need to have room to open the door. To put the babyseat into the car, the door needs to be opened fully.

So if I cannot open the door and take my baby out of the car and some lazy selfish prick has parked there so he can walk 10 metres less to the supermarket there will be words.

This happened recently and I got out and literally spanked his bottom. He wasn't physically hurt but was deeply embarrassed.

He said he was going to call the guards and report the assault but when I offered him my phone he refused.

munchkin_utd

Medusa22 wrote: »

<snip>
Having children is optional, you don't deserve special treatment if you have them.

its not a matter of deserving, its a matter of need as many carparks have stupidly narrow parking bays and only the parent+child spaces are wide enough to lift an infant in and out of the car without endangering other folks lovely cars/ car paintwork.

Unlike the disabled spaces, I agree that theres no real need to have them beside the doors.
For me closeness to the trollies is more important than closeness to the actual shop doors.
Once the child/ car seat is sitting in the trolly then a little walking is no bother as the whole procedure of getting the kid mobile/ trying to avoid damage to adjacent cars in the process is then over.

Precious flower

It's not like those mother and child parking spaces take up every available parking space near the shop. I think it's no harm they're there when you think that a mother/father may have several bags full of shopping and two small children or more, it's a tough walk and so much easier when you're near the entrance. If you're a young healthy adult I don't think you should be complaining about having to walk that bit extra.

eviltwin

Dear god what did we do years ago? :eek:

When my eldest was a child I remember car seats were massive big yokes and my car was a 2 door Renault 5 - probably one of the worst cars you could have with a baby.

We had no parent/child spots either but I never once damaged other cars or the child by getting her in and out, you worked around it and got on with it.

Some parents today seem to want everything handed to them.

juan.kerr

I don't use them - I drive to the shop at a time I know if won't be packed so parking isn't an issue and don't mind an extra minute walk.

I don't have an issue with anyone using them though, and don't see why anyone would get worked up about it either way.

stovelid

It's funny; you can just tell that the people that moan the most about other people's kids usually end up being the most insufferable **** about ttheir own kids when they become parents themselves.

Self-absorption is a lifelong trait that just takes different forms.

tiny_penguin

A2LUE42 wrote: »

One of the ressons for these spaces is that it allows enough room to put a child into a carseat. Because of the number of idiots in this country who seem incapable of parking correctly in a normal space and leaving enough space on either side. It is done to encourage parents with small children to shop.

Its also due to the massive number of people (a huge number of these women) who insist on buying huge 4x4 cars to drive around the city. If people didnt insist on buying the biggest car possible then maybe there would be no need for these spaces as there would be plenty of room in normal parking spaces. The only time i am ever tight for room when parking is when one of these giant cars is parked beside me. Not only do they take up pretty much the entire space, most people driving them cant park for sh*t so they inevitably go over the line. Like i said I dont park in the spaces anyway - bit pointless for the sake of an extra 10 seconds walking. But i do agree to a certain extent that there is in general a huge amount of entitlement around a lot of parents these days - expecting others to bend over backwards because they have kids. I'm not going to be a cnut about it though in every day but it does annoy me to see it.

RaRaRasputin

God I wonder how fat your children are if you all struggle to get them in and out of your cars...maybe a little bit of walking wouldn't be so bad for them after all.

miller50841

Don't believe in debates:D wasn't meaning to be insulting just said it how I see it. Entitled to have an opinion but got a yellow card for it...

Is there not more important things just saw this and was laughing to myself the mindset of the OP

Sleepy

Tell ya what OP, give us your reg and I'll park beside you some time in the normal spaces and, since you're so nice and all, you won't care when our 6 year old swings our car door into yours...

the groutch

I love the irony that the parents here complaining about others people taking the P&C spaces are the same parents who will happily block up an entire road and cause gridlock when getting dropping their kids to, or collecting their kids from school

forfuxsake

eviltwin wrote: »

Dear god what did we do years ago? :eek:

When my eldest was a child I remember car seats were massive big yokes and my car was a 2 door Renault 5 - probably one of the worst cars you could have with a baby.

We had no parent/child spots either but I never once damaged other cars or the child by getting her in and out, you worked around it and got on with it.

Some parents today seem to want everything handed to them.

yes, no car seat means you didn't need the extra room to manoeuver. so parents want space to open their doors handed to them. Or should they leave the children in the car?

eviltwin

forfuxsake wrote: »

yes, no car seat means you didn't need the extra room to manoeuver. so parents want space to open their doors handed to them. Or should they leave the children in the car?

I had a car seat and they were much bulkier than the ones on offer now.

Washington Irving

Only if I'm stopping for a minute or two and there's no other spaces

Bad Panda

Sleepy wrote: »

Tell ya what OP, give us your reg and I'll park beside you some time in the normal spaces and, since you're so nice and all, you won't care when our 6 year old swings our car door into yours...

Well, as the parent you should teach him to know better.

Sleepy

I do. However, children, by virtue of the fact they're children, take time to learn things.

If the OP's parents' hadn't failed to teach him common courtesy, there wouldn't be an issue though

dark crystal

eviltwin wrote: »

Dear god what did we do years ago? :eek:

When my eldest was a child I remember car seats were massive big yokes and my car was a 2 door Renault 5 - probably one of the worst cars you could have with a baby.

We had no parent/child spots either but I never once damaged other cars or the child by getting her in and out, you worked around it and got on with it.

Some parents today seem to want everything handed to them.

I don't think it's about having stuff handed to you at all. What harm is it for a supermarket to make things a little easier for parents of small children?

Just because certain things didn't exist years ago, doesn't mean they aren't welcome nowadays.

You sound a bit like my mum who had to walk in hail, rain and snow....barefoot....for 20 miles. It was the making of her, apparantly


*She drives everywhere now, though

sheesh

Wetbench4 wrote: »

Parents have taken it upon themselves to sacrifice at least 18 years and thousands of euro to keep the human race going. What have you done OP

If it wasnt for parents there would be no-one to work at the shopping centre. I think they deserve to park a few feet closer to the door.

HA!
You think you are some sort of hero for reproducing!

your funny

eviltwin

dark crystal wrote: »

I don't think it's about having stuff handed to you at all. What harm is it for a supermarket to make things a little easier for parents of small children?

Just because certain things didn't exist years ago, doesn't mean they aren't welcome nowadays.

You sound a bit like my mum who had to walk in hail, rain and snow....barefoot....for 20 miles. It was the making of her, apparantly


*She drives everywhere now, though

I don't have a problem with the spaces, its a good idea and I can see cases where they are needed.

Its the attitude of some people and the sense of ownership they have over them, this "fcuk you I'm a parent" brigade who think having a child means they take precedent over everyone and anyone.

WolfgangWeisen

stovelid wrote: »

It's OK for you.

We're lumbered with kids as a result of having sex with people.

Not an eventuality that will ever trouble you, I'd guess.

Wheh wheh, I bet 'yer a virgin wheh wheh.

More petty insults and insinuations, stovelid? Is that all you can provide? Bit pathetic really and I'd feel terrible if you're bringing up a kid to be honest. Kids need a better leader than someone who's going to fall to petty insults at the slightest hint of aggravation or disagreement.

miller50841 wrote: »

Your an idiot...

My an idiot? I don't believe I have an idiot?

Remember you were once a child imagine how hard your mum and dad found it getting you in and out of their car with your enormous head...:pac:

Yes, yes I was. I don't believe I had any run-ins in the carpark either in all that time.

Don't worry some day you will p**s off the wrong person.

Are you implying that I deserve something more than words, for disagreeing with your stance on something?

Violence is the key, is it? You're a big man aren't you, talking hard behind your keyboard.

The shops should clamp the idiots like you there is no point saying you will happily get the cops its a civil matter and won't get involved

Yep, there is no legal basis for them and thus won't be respected. Disabled spaces have legal backing and rightly so.

paddydriver wrote: »

OP.. what's with ye and your €5k... you are starting to sound like Dr Evil now holding the world to ransom.

It's just to highlight that I do good business for the supermarket, am a valuable customer etc (although, realistically, everyone who goes to a supermarket other than lidl or aldi should be treated as invaluable these days).

Maybe if you got such a big chip on the shoulder you would be best go spend that money on a getting a bigger dick? - or are you just a big dick already;)

Wheh wheh, more petty insults, what an intelligent bunch you are.

juan.kerr wrote: »

It's like those stupid 'Children on board' stickers. Not my problem.

Oh don't get me started on them. It's like those stickers give them the belief that they can now drive however they want. If you can't drive with a distraction in the car you shouldn't be driving, end of.

Medusa22 wrote: »

Having children is optional, you don't deserve special treatment if you have them.

Yep. There's nothing special about having children either. In fact, it's probably the next most common thing humans do after peeing, pooping and eating and as even the most dumb people in society can do it, it's not really an achievement.

Wetbench4 wrote: »

Parents have taken it upon themselves to sacrifice at least 18 years and thousands of euro to keep the human race going. What have you done OP

The planet isn't short on people and to be honest, society would be SO much better off if there were breeding restrictions in place. We're now at a point where dumb people are breeding like rabbits and the most intelligent in society are having less kids or none at all. That is a hugely negative thing for the species and if you don't understand why then there's no point in explaining it to you.

If it wasnt for parents there would be no-one to work at the shopping centre. I think they deserve to park a few feet closer to the door.

Lol, no.

stovelid wrote: »

In fairness, it's not really special treatment as such as they don't have any legal basis. It's just a business decision to put them in to accommodate families.

Like I said, I only use them when I have the kids but I'm not pushed about them one way or another and certainly don't look out for them.

What really boils my piss is inconsiderate parking: non-disabled people taking up wheelchair spaces; bad parking and parking across access paths etc.

There's a better post, stovelid, well done. I agree with you on the final part also, whole heartedly.

juan.kerr wrote: »

He makes regular sperm bank donations so he's doing his bit for the human race.

Ah, more pettiness. You're so intelligent, aren't you? With insinuations about **** and a screenname that amounts to "wanker", I'd say those around you just love to hear you voice your opinions?

alchemist33

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

You don't deserve special treatment for merely having done something that every living thing on this planet can do, to be honest. The enormous sense of entitlement on display from parent's these days is remarkable, to say the least. A completely undeserved sense of entitlement, I will add.

So you go to somebody else's car park (the supermarket's). They set the rules for their property, so as to help/encourage shoppers as they see fit. And you believe you're entitled to ignore their rules and do whatever you like, because you can't be arsed to walk 30 yards.

And now you say somebody else displayes an enormous sense of entitlement. That's classic.

smash

eviltwin wrote: »

Dear god what did we do years ago? :eek:

When there weren't half as many cars around?

stovelid

WolfgangWeisen wrote: »

Wheh wheh, I bet 'yer a virgin wheh wheh.

More petty insults and insinuations, stovelid? Is that all you can provide? Bit pathetic really and I'd feel terrible if you're bringing up a kid to be honest. Kids need a better leader than someone who's going to fall to petty insults at the slightest hint of aggravation or disagreement.
?

I think you're more of a dog person if I recall correctly?

Madam_X

RaRaRasputin wrote: »

God I wonder how fat your children are if you all struggle to get them in and out of your cars...maybe a little bit of walking wouldn't be so bad for them after all.

Infants can't walk.

eviltwin

smash wrote: »

When there weren't half as many cars around?

There were plenty of cars when my eldest was a baby.

I'm only 35, I'm not talking about the 1950's

stimpson

I've got kids and I use them when the kids are with me. If I'm on my own I leave them for a parent as I'm a decent human being with functioning legs.

It's weird though - when I see people using the spaces without kids, my shopping trolley seems magnetically attracted to the cars and I have "accidentally" caused a few dents and scrapes. Never happens when the spaces are used by parents though. Weird.