Junk Mail

BrianJD

Is it really junk mail if you get a Menu or a flyer through the door? Occasionally I deliver some handbills with a local Supermarket's offers from door to door and it amazes me the number of people with a "No Advertising" sticker on their letterbox.

How much trouble must it be to receive it when you go to hassle and ugliness of putting a sticker on your door?

Out of curiosity, would you look through a handbill of offers or does it go straight in the bin?

FatherLen

junk mail is anything that doesn't have a name or address on it.

Casillas

BrianJD wrote: »

Is it really junk mail if you get a Menu or a flyer through the door? Occasionally I deliver some handbills with a local Supermarket's offers from door to door and it amazes me the number of people with a "No Advertising" sticker on their letterbox.

How much trouble must it be to receive it when you go to hassle and ugliness of putting a sticker on your door?

Out of curiosity, would you look through a handbill of offers or does it go straight in the bin?

I'd read the menu, the problem occurs when the same one is delivered twice a week.

davet82

they ran out of 'beware of rottweiler' so i stuck a 'No advertising' stick on my door, think about it OP

biko

Let me put it this way - if I want information from local supermarkets or Chinese restaurants I'll look you up on the internet. I will not hang on to your handbills "just in case".

Btw, why is poll secret?

MarkHitide

FatherLen wrote: »

junk mail is anything that doesn't have a name or address on it.

It should be subject to littering laws.

bluecode

I'm also amazed at the number of No Junkmail signs about. They're ugly and pointless anyway. If I was delivering leaflets I'd simply ignore them.

In my own case, I like to get flyers from local restaurants etc. Saves me looking up the internet. If you don't like something you get, the recycle bin is the place for it. Or use it to light the fire.

Biggins

bluecode wrote: »

I'm also amazed at the number of No Junkmail signs about. They're ugly and pointless anyway. If I was delivering leaflets I'd simply ignore them.

In my own case, I like to get flyers from local restaurants etc. Saves me looking up the internet. If you don't like something you get, the recycle bin is the place for it. Or use it to light the fire.

I have one on my letterbox - and if someone ignores it, I go out and give it back to them in no uncertain terms.
So far they have all got the message.

boomtown123

Yes - I'm easily amused in the morning.

Morlar

BrianJD wrote: »

.... I deliver some handbills with a local Supermarket's offers from door to door and it amazes me the number of people with a "No Advertising" sticker on their letterbox.

How much trouble must it be to receive it when you go to hassle and ugliness of putting a sticker on your door?

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What right do you have to cause every single person you come into contact with to have to do that every single bloody day ? I think there should be an opt-in clause. Just assume people don't want your advertising shíte until they have a 'Junk Mail - yes please' sign on their letterbox. I think these companies should be fined for breaches, the companies who use them to advertise should also be fined. That's soon knock it on the head. At least with spam gmail or hotmail filter them automatically you don't have to physically do it every day.

Morlar

Also why are the results of this poll hidden ?

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crazy cabbage

i hate junk mail. i dont want it or need it. If i wanted to know something i would look it up online. The amount to trees that must me cut down for fliers that will just put through letterboxs and put straight into the bin.

BrianJD

Morlar wrote: »

Also why are the results of this poll hidden ?

Sorry it is my first Poll and I'm not sure why it's hidden. How do I chane it to public?

Biggins

BrianJD wrote: »

Sorry it is my first Poll and I'm not sure why it's hidden. How do I chance it to public?

PM a mod and request it.

Oranage2

I use to deliver leaflets when i was in college and i was paid per leaflet and nothing annoyed me more than walking the length of somebodys garden and seeing this sign, though usually it just meant id stick a handful through the next door to make up for it.

biko

BrianJD wrote: »

Sorry it is my first Poll and I'm not sure why it's hidden. How do I chane it to public?

Poll fixed

BrianJD

Morlar wrote: »

What right do you have to cause every single person you come into contact with to have to do that every single bloody day ? I think there should be an opt-in clause. Just assume people don't want your advertising shíte until they have a 'Junk Mail - yes please' sign on their letterbox. I think these companies should be fined for breaches, the companies who use them to advertise should also be fined. That's soon knock it on the head. At least with spam gmail or hotmail filter them automatically you don't have to physically do it every day.

Why so venomous? Tbh, I manage in a supermarket and one form of our marketing is to deliver a handbill from time to time promoting SAVINGS to be made in our store. For a lot of people, that is helpful as it saves them money.

I receive junk mail as well but I really can't see what the trouble is in just throwing it in the bin. It's surely not causing that much hardship to do that?

Stiffler2

Because it's a waste of paper, ink, colour ink, the maintence kit on the printer, tree's.

You have to have breakfast to give you energy to deliver the junk mail.

It's all a massive waste of time & resources.
I actaully have my bin pushed up behind my front door just under the letterbox.


this way I don't have to touch your junk

Morlar

BrianJD wrote: »

...I manage in a supermarket and one form of our marketing is

I have no interest in receiving your marketing shíte - never have and never will.

BrianJD wrote: »

I receive junk mail as well but I really can't see what the trouble is in just throwing it in the bin. It's surely not causing that much hardship to do that?

It's not a case of 'hardship', also this is not your decision to make. One idiot marketeer causes 5,000 people to have to empty their mailbox every single day and the marketeer doesn't see a problem with it ? You have no right to make that desicion on everyone elses behalf.

The presumptiveness of the thing, the principle of it is aggravating. Also, having to empty your mailbox of crap every single day IS a chore. Whether the marketeer acknowledges that or not is irrelevant.

You should only have to do it when you actually have mail.

Not everytime some marketeer decides to make a few pennies delivering you crap you never asked for.

Biggins

I used to get loads of it every day non-stop - and every day I used to look at it all and think "Crikey, a schite load of trees has passed though my hands in the last few years."

UCDVet

Trust me, I know me really well. In fact, I'm probably the leading expert in me.

I have a 'no junk mail' sign up because I *don't* want junk mail. And yes, I'm really sure that I don't want junk mail. That menu, guess what....I don't want it. I'm absolutely, positively sure of this.

I'm *not* going to try your restaurant because you give me a flyer.
I'm *not* looking for great deals or a good charity to donate to.

Since I know that I don't want them, and I know that it takes time and money to deliver it to me, and because I know it takes some of our limited amount of resources to produce the flyers, I'm really do everyone a favour by saying 'No Junk Mail'. All it does is go straight into my trash. And then I have to pay someone to take it away.

I don't even care if you used a really cool font, or printed it on a pretty coloured sheet of paper....

Lawrence1895

Thinking from the point of view of someone who delivers them leaflets. Do they only get paid, if they delivered all their leaflets?

jimmurt

BrianJD wrote: »

Is it really junk mail if you get a Menu or a flyer through the door? Occasionally I deliver some handbills with a local Supermarket's offers from door to door and it amazes me the number of people with a "No Advertising" sticker on their letterbox.

How much trouble must it be to receive it when you go to hassle and ugliness of putting a sticker on your door?

Out of curiosity, would you look through a handbill of offers or does it go straight in the bin?

All of it goes striaght in the bin, I have to pay to dump this even though I never asked for it.

Morlar

UCDVet wrote: »

Trust me, I know me really well. In fact, I'm probably the leading expert in me.

I have a 'no junk mail' sign up because I *don't* want junk mail. And yes, I'm really sure that I don't want junk mail. That menu, guess what....I don't want it. I'm absolutely, positively sure of this.

I'm *not* going to try your restaurant because you give me a flyer.
I'm *not* looking for great deals or a good charity to donate to.

Since I know that I don't want them, and I know that it takes time and money to deliver it to me, and because I know it takes some of our limited amount of resources to produce the flyers, I'm really do everyone a favour by saying 'No Junk Mail'. All it does is go straight into my trash. And then I have to pay someone to take it away.

I don't even care if you used a really cool font, or printed it on a pretty coloured sheet of paper....

I have one of those 'No JUNK MAIL's signs now too - had to, thing is even with that clearly printed it does not always work.

I also make a point of never using companies who market this way.

ncmc

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Because it's a waste of paper, ink, colour ink, the maintence kit on the printer, tree's.

You have to have breakfast to give you energy to deliver the junk mail.

It's all a massive waste of time & resources.
I actaully have my bin pushed up behind my front door just under the letterbox.


this way I don't have to touch your junk

I deliver leaflets for a local supermarket. They employ around 70 people directly, not to mention the amount of people employed in their suppliers. They use a lot of small, local suppliers, so that is creating employment and spending in the economy. Times are tough and direct mail marketing is an affordable way of getting their special offers out to thousands of people. The leaflets are purchased from a local printer, also creating employment and putting money into the economy. I am paid per leaflet and pay tax on this, so again more money in the economy.

I really don’t understand the vehemence people are using in this thread. The leaflets can be put in the recycling bin, so I’m sure it’s not just about trees!

Morlar wrote: »

I have no interest in receiving your marketing shíte - never have and never will.



It's not a case of 'hardship', also this is not your decision to make. One idiot marketeer causes 5,000 people to have to empty their mailbox every single day and the marketeer doesn't see a problem with it ? You have no right to make that desicion on everyone elses behalf.

The presumptiveness of the thing, the principle of it is aggravating. Also, having to empty your mailbox of crap every single day IS a chore. Whether the marketeer acknowledges that or not is irrelevant.

You should only have to do it when you actually have mail.

Not everytime some marketeer decides to make a few pennies delivering you crap you never asked for.

Wow, who knew picking post up from the floor or from a letter box was so much hassle. You don’t ask for Christmas cards or birthday cards either, do you reward people who send you a card with the same diatribe?

Morlar

ncmc wrote: »

I deliver leaflets ..........
....You don’t ask for Christmas cards or birthday cards either, do you reward people who send you a card with the same diatribe?

Unsolicited marketing shíte is not the same as birthday cards now is it ?

JustAddWater

bluecode wrote: »

I'm also amazed at the number of No Junkmail signs about. They're ugly and pointless anyway. If I was delivering leaflets I'd simply ignore them.

In my own case, I like to get flyers from local restaurants etc. Saves me looking up the internet. If you don't like something you get, the recycle bin is the place for it. Or use it to light the fire.

You can't disrespect peoples rights to unsolicited mail. If I put up a sign (which I have) I would expect you to respect my request

I really don't appreciate coming home to a shedload of glossy flyers in my hallway, firstly I can't open my door sometimes because they get wedged in there, second I have slipped on them coming in and almost broke my bollox falling over it

I also noticed that some leaflet delivery guys (who require leaflet distribution experience to get the job, so should be more professional ) often only leave the flyer half way in the letterbox. I can take 1 look at over 50 houses on my street and tell you in 2 seconds, who is home and who is not. All I need as a thief is a home with easy in/out access and like that, the house is robbed.

I could really do without the visual marker for thieves as well as the bowling alley surface you've made in my hallway ... but thanks all the same, at least I can get a 3-in-1 off you... they're pretty hard to find

ncmc

Morlar wrote: »

Unsolicited marketing shíte is not the same as birthday cards now is it ?

That’s subjective though, these leaflets obviously work or else they wouldn’t be used as a marketing tool. I know an offer on a recent leaflet drop I did sold out on the first day purely because of the leaflets. The leaflets I deliver have really good offers on them; normally half price meat, cheap beer etc. The fact is that offers like that are of interest to a lot of people.

Btw, I wouldn’t put a leaflet in a letterbox if it had a no junk mail sign, however I do think they are really unsightly. I would prefer to go to the hassle of bending down and picking up post once a day and making the long walk to the recycling bill rather than stick one on my door. But each to their own I suppose!

CreepingDeath

BrianJD wrote: »

Is it really junk mail if you get a Menu or a flyer through the door? Occasionally I deliver some handbills with a local Supermarket's offers from door to door and it amazes me the number of people with a "No Advertising" sticker on their letterbox.

Yes, it is junk mail.
(And I'd lump in religious trash with that)

Even as a matter of security, if I'm on holiday for a week I don't want a pile of junk mail in my porch advertising the fact that the house is empty.

In the past I've rung up the junk mail businesses who ignored my "no junk mail" sign and complained to them.

You have to attack the problem at the root of the money trail.
If the local indian or some supermarket gets grief from people immediately after a leaflet drop, they'll put pressure on the leaflet distributors to respect the "no junk mail" signs.

Chucken

I love my junk mail ....cos no one writes me letters anymore, it gives me something to browse through at breakfast time

Morlar

ncmc wrote: »

.... these leaflets obviously work or else they wouldn’t be used as a marketing tool.

So does nigerian spam otherwise they wouldnt keep doing it. You are still pissing off a large number of people with unsolicited crap into their mailbox every single day in order for you to make your money.

Am Chile

BrianJD wrote: »

Is it really junk mail if you get a Menu or a flyer through the door? Occasionally I deliver some handbills with a local Supermarket's offers from door to door and it amazes me the number of people with a "No Advertising" sticker on their letterbox.

How much trouble must it be to receive it when you go to hassle and ugliness of putting a sticker on your door?

Out of curiosity, would you look through a handbill of offers or does it go straight in the bin?

Id glance through a menu or flyer from local supermarket when I get them through the door-one point about the no junk mail signs- if someone canvassing for a political party or campaign say someone from campaign against property taxes/water charges is canvassing an area to let people there's an upcoming public meeting by the campaign due to be held-if you got a leaflet about an upcoming public meeting against property taxes or a leaflet from an election canditate at election time- how many would class either leaflet as junkmail ?

Morlar

CreepingDeath wrote: »

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You have to attack the problem at the root of the money trail.
If the local indian or some supermarket gets grief from people immediately after a leaflet drop, they'll put pressure on the leaflet distributors to respect the "no junk mail" signs.

I'd love if the law was changed so that if you get an unsolicited leaflet you just drop it straight in a post box and then an post deliver it back to where it came from at a charge to the recipient.

Biggins

Morlar wrote: »

I have one of those 'No JUNK MAIL's signs now too - had to, thing is even with that clearly printed it does not always work.

I also make a point of never using companies who market this way.

Same here.

If they are rude enough to have my wishes ignored on my own property, well stuff them!
Why the hell should I in return, use their services, giving them cash if they are still going to previously ignore my wishes!

Business should tell their leaflet droppers not to ignore such notices because (a) those that have a "No junk mail" notice are going to bin it and further possible ignore their business in return for being ignorant - and (b) their leaflet will definitely go in the bin more so out of disgust, so that's one less leaflet that will more effectively reach a possible other alternative customer!

Morlar wrote: »

I'd love if the law was changed so that if you get an unsolicited leaflet you just drop it straight in a post box and then an post deliver it back to where it came from at a charge to the recipient.

I've brought some of their crap back to them!

Ficheall

I think I may start collecting my junk mail from now on and returning all of it to a random one of the offenders' premises. Papa John's can expect my Joyce's, Specsaver's and Chinese take-aways' junk mail to be returned along with their own the next time they shove some of their crap through my door.
The question is how to send it to the manager rather than simply dropping it into the diner for the workers to throw in the bin? Perhaps in an envelope address to the manager? This requires some further thought...

Capt'n Midnight

Postmen push the letters through.

Leaflet delivery people frequently don't and there is at best a heat loss issue.

Worst thing is that it allows burgers know if a house is unoccupied.



And don't get me started on the scum involved in fake charities :mad:

Rasheed

Chucken wrote: »

I love my junk mail ....cos no one writes me letters anymore, it gives me something to browse through at breakfast time

Same as, I get bored eating me porridge. They are better than reading bills anyway.

ncmc

Morlar wrote: »

So does nigerian spam otherwise they wouldnt keep doing it. You are still pissing off a large number of people with unsolicited crap into their mailbox every single day in order for you to make your money.

You’re comparing an illegal scam to con people out of money to a legitimate business trying to advertise? Hardly the same thing now is it. You’d be amazed at how many people are interested in this type of advertising. Especially the leaflets I deliver, which is for a local shops special offers. I would say the vast majority of people at least skim through them.

That said, there should be a ‘sometimes’ option added to the poll. I would read some marketing leaflets, but then there are some like those so called ‘charity’ collection leaflets that I would put straight in the bin.

DonkeyStyle \o/

It might as well be an empty crisp packet coming through the door.

crazygeryy

Morlar wrote: »

I have one of those 'No JUNK MAIL's signs now too - had to, thing is even with that clearly printed it does not always work.

I also make a point of never using companies who market this way.

whos a bit of a moaning michael,jesus lighten up they are just pieces of paper.throw it in the bin.blood pressure goes down.
breathe in through the nose out through the mouth.:D

love junk mail, i secretly roll around naked in piles of it and pretend its money.

Am Chile

Can a moderator please add an option to the poll- as what should and shouldn't be classed as junk mail- example should advertising menu leaflets from local takeaways/ flyers from supermarkets only be classed as junk mail ? should poltical leaflets from poltical campaigns/ poltical canditates/poltical parties be classed as junk mail ?

Biggins

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Postmen push the letters through.

Leaflet delivery people frequently don't and there is at best a heat loss issue.

Worst thing is that it allows burgers know if a house is unoccupied.
And don't get me started on the scum involved in fake charities :mad:

Any junk mail that comes with the postman, you can request that they stop delivering it.

Also see this: http://www.dublinwaste.ie/block_junk_mail.html

Also: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/telecommunications_and_postal_services/dealing_with_unsolicited_direct_marketing.html

Finally: http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/smart-consumer/smart-consumer-how-can-i-stop-all-this-junk-mail-2138509.html

Morlar

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

It might as well be an empty crisp packet coming through the door.

I think that sums up the thread perfectly.

spoofilyj

I got a no junk mail sticker on the door about two months ago, It was getting stupid the amount of junk coming in every day,

It wourked really well and the vast majority of people delivering the flyers respect the sign.
There have been one or two that have pushed the crap through anyway, if it happens and I'm home I go out after them and make them take it back.

I do not want any of this crap, if I want to look at a menu I'll go online where all the information I need can be found, these leaflets should be banned as they are extremely wastful and a nousance.

Pain in the arse picking up all the crap that used to come through the door.

chasm

I have a no junk mail sign on my letterbox, works most of the time but still get the odd one every now and then. The religious leaflets always get put through, they obviously feel it doesn't apply the them! They have had their chance now and if they do it again when i am at home i will be going out to them and they will have their leaflets back and be told not to come near the door again. I have to pay for my recycling to be taken away and i have enough of my own rubbish without them adding to it!

Am Chile

Am Chile wrote: »

Can a moderator please add an option to the poll- as what should and shouldn't be classed as junk mail- example should advertising menu leaflets from local takeaways/ flyers from supermarkets only be classed as junk mail ? should poltical leaflets from poltical campaigns/ poltical canditates/poltical parties be classed as junk mail ?

IMO anything which has no name or address on it is junk mail. No exceptions. If it's not addressed to me, then I don't care...

CreepingDeath

Morlar wrote: »

I'd love if the law was changed so that if you get an unsolicited leaflet you just drop it straight in a post box and then an post deliver it back to where it came from at a charge to the recipient.

That reminds me of a story I heard at least 10 years ago from the UK.
Some junk mail came with a "freepost" card to respond / subscribe.
Actually, I may be showing my age and it was pre-email !

Anyway, someone got fed up with the junk mail, and attached a brick to the freepost card and sent it back.
So the junk mailer got charged a decent amount for the postage cost of mailing a brick

Duggys Housemate

I'm happy enough with local businesses advertising this way. Getting annoyed is a first world problem.

Morlar

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

I'm happy enough with local businesses advertising this way. Getting annoyed is a first world problem.

We live in the first world.

We don't just have to contend with famine plague and pestilence anymore.

Duggys Housemate

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Morlar wrote: »

I'd love if the law was changed so that if you get an unsolicited leaflet you just drop it straight in a post box and then an post deliver it back to where it came from at a charge to the recipient.

That reminds me of a story I heard at least 10 years ago from the UK.
Some junk mail came with a "freepost" card to respond / subscribe.
Actually, I may be showing my age and it was pre-email !

Anyway, someone got fed up with the junk mail, and attached a brick to the freepost card and sent it back.
So the junk mailer got charged a decent amount for the postage cost of mailing a brick

10 years ago there was email.

Duggys Housemate

Morlar wrote: »

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

I'm happy enough with local businesses advertising this way. Getting annoyed is a first world problem.

We live in the first world.

We don't just have to contend with famine plague and pestilence anymore.

It's a very minor complaint. Don't like the flyer, recycle it. Do like it - use it.