London 2012 Megathread [Part 1]

robinph

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

BBC are hardly going to have such blanket covered of the paralympics are they? Be great of they were.

Channel 4 have the Paraylympics coverage.

keith16

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

BBC are hardly going to have such blanket covered of the paralympics are they? Be great of they were.

I think Channel 4 are covering the paralympics.

phasers

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

BBC are hardly going to have such blanket covered of the paralympics are they? Be great of they were.

Afaik channel 4 broadcast the Paralympics

leahyl

CivilServant wrote: »

Federer is a class act. Still looked happy and in good spirits receiving silver.

But inside he's seething :-P

Rascasse

titan18 wrote: »

Anyone can miss a test, true. You miss 3 tests and you're either hiding something or you're so stupid that you have trouble tying your shoelaces.

It was found that it was impossible for her to have doped as she was tested in between and after the two missed test (the third was from a previous year).

From the Telegraph:

Tests she missed:
Oct 12 2005: Testers waited for an hour at Mile End stadium, but Ohuruogu failed to appear.

June 28 2006: Ohuruogu tried to drive across London when she realised she had not notified testers she had switched training venues from Mile End to the Olympic Medical Institute in Harrow. She failed to make it in time.

July 25 2006: A school sports day at Mile End forced her to relocate at the last minute to Crystal Palace. In the panic to drive to the venue, Ohuruogu forgot to tell the testers.

Tests she passed:
July 16 2006: Ohuruogu underwent a random test following her run in the 200m at the European Championship trials in Manchester where she finished fifth. Result: negative.

July 28 2006: Finished last in the 400m at the British Grand Prix at Crystal Palace. Again chosen at random to be tested. Result: negative.

marco_polo

titan18 wrote: »

Pherekydes wrote: »

The usual ignorant sh1te. She's not a druggie or a drug cheat. She had a ban because of three missed tests. Athletes are allowed miss tests, just not 3. Sh1t happens. Anyone can miss a test.

Anyone can miss a test, true. You miss 3 tests and you're either hiding something or you're so stupid that you have trouble tying your shoelaces.

At the time they were relatively new regulations, and it was completely accepted even as the ban was handed down that there was no question of it being anything other than extreme carelessness on her behalf, as she was tested on numerous occasions within weeks either of the missed tests.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/2325245/Dates-prove-Christine-Ohuruogu-is-no-cheat.html

nice_very

Irish guy warming up for the cycling sprint on bbc3

Mars Bar

Corruptedmorals wrote: »

Horriffic women's vault final in gymnastics, literally the worst one I have ever seen.

My sister and I were saying the same thing. Quality was terrible!

Anyone

F00king hell, the womens weightlifting.....Russian woman just lifted 149kg(about 23 stone in old money). New world record.

Jimoslimos

Pherekydes wrote: »

The usual ignorant sh1te. She's not a druggie or a drug cheat. She had a ban because of three missed tests. Athletes are allowed miss tests, just not 3. Sh1t happens. Anyone can miss a test.

Just like Kostas Kenteris and E. Thanou?

To miss one test is unfortunate, two is careless and three........

Rio Ferdinand missed one and was banned for eight months, she can consider herself fortunate to only have received a 1 year ban

Colmustard

Jason Kenny also looks unbeatable, the British are really dominating the track cycling.

Guy:Incognito

Whats the story with all these eejits holding up ipads and taking pictures of stuff 30 metres + away? Its a bloody 5mp camera on a tablet. Do these people not have phones at least or do they just want everone to know they have an ipad?

COYW

cgpg5 wrote: »

Well done Murray couldn't be happier for him. Another gold for GB! Great stuff

Team GB is on some roll. Unreal stuff. I see Katie is fighting at team GB girl tomorrow. I am actually getting worried about this fight now.

Pherekydes

titan18 wrote: »

Anyone can miss a test, true. You miss 3 tests and you're either hiding something or you're so stupid that you have trouble tying your shoelaces.

Jeez, did you never forget anything?

Anyone

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Just like Kostas Kenteris and E. Thanou?

To miss one test is unfortunate, two is careless and three........

Rio Ferdinand missed one and was banned for eight months, she can consider herself fortunate to only have received a 1 year ban

Well you cant get perma banned anymore, look at Chambers, the British federation wanted him banned for life, the IOC overturned it..

And holy shít that Russian just lifted 151kg

cgpg5

Roger Federer is a gent

COYW

cgpg5 wrote: »

Roger Federer is a gent

Different class in that interview.

robinph

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Whats the story with all these eejits holding up ipads and taking pictures of stuff 30 metres + away? Its a bloody 5mp camera on a tablet. Do these people not have phones at least or do they just want everone to know they have an ipad?

Don't know how anyone could ever think that a tablet is a convienient way of taking pictures, well other than the late Mr Jobs maybe. Even a phone is pretty rubbish for photo taking but if that is what you happen to have on you. The tablet thing is daft though.

metaoblivia

Corruptedmorals wrote: »

Horriffic women's vault final in gymnastics, literally the worst one I have ever seen. Canadian Elsabeth Black crashes her first vault, is injured on it and balks after running for her second one and doesn't vault. First (and second) receive a zero, but it's another controversial zero (a vault is zeroed if anything other than your feet hit the mat first) as it looks like she MAY have got her feet down.

Dominican Republic's Yamilet Pena Abreu spectacularly crashes her impossible vault- which few men attempt at all, nevermind women. She has sat the thing for over a year now, but gets a score as her feet hit first. Normally happy to be alive after vaulting (people predict her death when she throws that vault) she is absolutely gutted not to medal- must have been insane pressure on her, sad to see.

Russia's Maria Paseka comes off the mat entirely which is a huge deduction..and isn't deducted for it. She gets bronze and screws over the two very clean and ON the mat vaults by Germany's Janine Berger.

The outright favourite McKayla Maroney whose vault screenshot from team finals went viral as it showed judges with their mouths open at how spectacular it was SITS her second vault. This was seen as the only sure-thing gold in all of gymnastics, male or female. She would have won with a huge margin if she had vaulted like she did in qualification. Even with the sit-down and a non-perfect landing on her first vault- she loses gold by only one tenth, an absolutely tiny margin, which shows how fantastic her vaulting is. Sandra Izbasa takes gold, deservedly- great vaults. But this was a sickening final.

It was a shocking final. Maroney had hit 59 consecutive vaults up until that point. She said during the press conference afterwards that she wasn't disappointed with her silver medal - she was disappointed with her performance. Class. And Izbasa was the deserved winner. I'm American, but I would have been uncomfortable with an Olympic champ who had fall. Frankly, I'm uncomfortable with the silver medalist having fall, but Maroney does have such a huge advantage over everyone else in both difficulty and execution.

And how about that men's pommels final? Britain has to be feeling a little undone by this competition. First, the fluke in team finals, sending them from silver to bronze, and now a tie breaker that worked out in favor of Berki instead of Smith (although I've personally always preferred Berki to Smith).

Shryke

Roger interviewed there. Really good guy. Great sport about taking silver.

Guy:Incognito

If that Chinese one in the weightlifting walked on in the mens competition no one would question her not being a man.

Pherekydes

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Just like Kostas Kenteris and E. Thanou?

To miss one test is unfortunate, two is careless and three........

Rio Ferdinand missed one and was banned for eight months, she can consider herself fortunate to only have received a 1 year ban

No. Ohurougu's case has nothing to do with the two Greeks.

Ferdinand's case was also different.

Missing a test is not a doping offence (Ohurougu)

Avoiding a test is a doping offence (Ferdinand)

If Ohurougu did what Ferdinand did she would get a two year ban, so who got off lightly?

titan18

Pherekydes wrote: »

Jeez, did you never forget anything?

Yes, have I ever forgotten something that important, no.

If you had to be at a meeting to save your job, would you forget it? Or worse, forget it 3 times.

Rascasse wrote: »

It was found that it was impossible for her to have doped as she was tested in between and after the two missed test (the third was from a previous year).

From the Telegraph:

Tests she missed:
Oct 12 2005: Testers waited for an hour at Mile End stadium, but Ohuruogu failed to appear.

June 28 2006: Ohuruogu tried to drive across London when she realised she had not notified testers she had switched training venues from Mile End to the Olympic Medical Institute in Harrow. She failed to make it in time.

July 25 2006: A school sports day at Mile End forced her to relocate at the last minute to Crystal Palace. In the panic to drive to the venue, Ohuruogu forgot to tell the testers.

Tests she passed:
July 16 2006: Ohuruogu underwent a random test following her run in the 200m at the European Championship trials in Manchester where she finished fifth. Result: negative.

July 28 2006: Finished last in the 400m at the British Grand Prix at Crystal Palace. Again chosen at random to be tested. Result: negative.

Pretty naive to think it's impossible to be doping because you tested negative, considering the history of athletics and the amount of athletes who've never tested positive who were doped up.

marco_polo

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Just like Kostas Kenteris and E. Thanou?

I suppose if you can't be bothered to look at the specific circumstances of each case individually then yes.

Corruptedmorals

metaoblivia wrote: »

It was a shocking final. Maroney had hit 59 consecutive vaults up until that point. She said during the press conference afterwards that she wasn't disappointed with her silver medal - she was disappointed with her performance. Class. And Izbasa was the deserved winner. I'm American, but I would have been uncomfortable with an Olympic champ who had fall. Frankly, I'm uncomfortable with the silver medalist having fall, but Maroney does have such a huge advantage over everyone else in both difficulty and execution.

And how about that men's pommels final? Britain has to be feeling a little undone by this competition. First, the fluke in team finals, sending them from silver to bronze, and now a tie breaker that worked out in favor of Berki instead of Smith (although I've personally always preferred Berki to Smith).

I am fed up of tiebreakers. How many are we at now? Aly Raisman screwed entirely, Denis Ablyazin misses silver due to one and now again in pommel horse Smith loses gold. Still seven events to go! Scoring has been shocking so far. Just give both the meal if they have the same score! Berki IS better, but Smith has the higher difficulty..tough to call that one. Still, Whitlock's bronze was pretty unexpected...TF bronze, a silver and bronze in EF and still have Beth to go..that's a pretty phenomenal Olympics in GB gymnastics' book.

I think McKayla deserved that silver, her difficulty and execution just put her so far ahead. So close to the gold shows how great she is. Gutted for her.

garv123

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Whats the story with all these eejits holding up ipads and taking pictures of stuff 30 metres + away? Its a bloody 5mp camera on a tablet. Do these people not have phones at least or do they just want everone to know they have an ipad?

Idiots at Wimbledon were doing it too. Basically watching the match through the I-pads. I was hoping a stray ball would smash it.

Basically just like when the iphone came out they wanted to show that they are a posh C*nt and have one.

el diablo

leahyl wrote: »

So Federer let Murray win? JUST KIDDING!

Murray wanted it more.... Simple.

Jimoslimos

Rascasse wrote: »

Tests she missed:
Oct 12 2005: Testers waited for an hour at Mile End stadium, but Ohuruogu failed to appear.

June 28 2006: Ohuruogu tried to drive across London when she realised she had not notified testers she had switched training venues from Mile End to the Olympic Medical Institute in Harrow. She failed to make it in time.

July 25 2006: A school sports day at Mile End forced her to relocate at the last minute to Crystal Palace. In the panic to drive to the venue, Ohuruogu forgot to tell the testers.

Tests she passed:
July 16 2006: Ohuruogu underwent a random test following her run in the 200m at the European Championship trials in Manchester where she finished fifth. Result: negative.

July 28 2006: Finished last in the 400m at the British Grand Prix at Crystal Palace. Again chosen at random to be tested. Result: negative.

I think that raises more questions,

The tests she passed were in-competition tests - where she would expect a high chance of being picked.

The ones she missed seem to be out-of-competition. Rather important in the context of athletes cycling their doping regimes to be clean during competition time.

Anyone

After the snatch comes the clean and jerk. Gold medal if you can manage it to the chinese woman.

Guy:Incognito

Jimoslimos wrote: »

The ones she missed seem to be out-of-competition. Rather important in the context of athletes cycling their doping regimes to be clean during competition time.

Would all traces be gone in 3 days?

leahyl

el diablo wrote: »

leahyl wrote: »

So Federer let Murray win? JUST KIDDING!

Murray wanted it more.... Simple.

No doubt he did after losing Wimbledon final a few weeks back - delighted for him

leahyl

Irish guy in cycling now

robinph

titan18 wrote: »

If you had to be at a meeting to save your job, would you forget it? Or worse, forget it 3 times.

Bad comparison. These are meetings that you do not know about until the other guys turn up on your doorstep, but you have to let them know where you will be for an hour everyday(?).

leahyl

Ooooh Denmark guy just fell off bike!

marco_polo

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Jimoslimos wrote: »

The ones she missed seem to be out-of-competition. Rather important in the context of athletes cycling their doping regimes to be clean during competition time.

Would all traces be gone in 3 days?

All substances are different and the list is long but for say testosterone or steroids you would be Looking at weeks or even months of remaining detectable.


On another note some great news that after these games they are going to name 5 athletes from Athens 2004 who have now been re tested as positive on there original samples, including a few medal winners who are to be stripped of their medals. Thankfully its getting harder and harder for the cheats to escape.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/news/five-athens-drug-cheats-to-be-revealed-8008017.html

metaoblivia

Corruptedmorals wrote: »

I am fed up of tiebreakers. How many are we at now? Aly Raisman screwed entirely, Denis Ablyazin misses silver due to one and now again in pommel horse Smith loses gold. Still seven events to go! Scoring has been shocking so far. Just give both the meal if they have the same score! Berki IS better, but Smith has the higher difficulty..tough to call that one. Still, Whitlock's bronze was pretty unexpected...TF bronze, a silver and bronze in EF and still have Beth to go..that's a pretty phenomenal Olympics in GB gymnastics' book.

I think McKayla deserved that silver, her difficulty and execution just put her so far ahead. So close to the gold shows how great she is. Gutted for her.

Yeah, the tiebreaking situation is just insane. It sucks to be a place lower than you expected, but especially on a tiebreaker. And you're exactly right - Berki is better, but Smith has more difficulty, and the execution breaks the tie, so it's all in accordance with the rules. It just sucks that both men can't receive gold medals.

I'm hoping - hoping! - for no more ties, but the way things have been going... today just wasn't an auspicious start to event finals.

patmac

Donegal winning the wrestling.

titan18

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Would all traces be gone in 3 days?

EPO has a half life if injected intravenously of 5 hours. An intravenous injection nearly eliminates the chance of it showing up in an urine test.

The old test for HGH was only detectable with blood testing and for up to 72 hours, I believe.

patmac

Pherekydes wrote: »

The usual ignorant sh1te. She's not a druggie or a drug cheat. She had a ban because of three missed tests. Athletes are allowed miss tests, just not 3. Sh1t happens. Anyone can miss a test.

Not ignorant sh1te, she was banned for drug offences for missing 3 tests, I would rather accept the IOC's decision than your opinion.

Pherekydes

patmac wrote: »

Not ignorant sh1te, she was banned for drug offences for missing 3 tests, I would rather accept the IOC's decision than your opinion.

Nothing to do with the IOC.

The fact that she was banned for missing three tests doesn't mean she's a doper or a drug cheat.

Colmustard

An OK performance from Martin Irvine, 9th overall but he is at least competing and giving it his all. Kudos to him as he comes from a country with one outdoor velodrome which is useless in a country were it rains a lot.

patmac

Pherekydes wrote: »

Nothing to do with the IOC.

The fact that she was banned for missing three tests doesn't mean she's a doper or a drug cheat.

Same for Michelle Smith anyway you have your opinion, so I am leaving it at that. Back to the GAA and Olympics.

YFlyer

Colmustard wrote: »

An OK performance from Martin Irvine, 9th overall but he is at least competing and giving it his all. Kudos to him as he comes from a country with one outdoor velodrome which is useless in a country were it rains a lot.

He is on again in the 1Km TT at 6:16. Surely the legs will be fatigued.

Pherekydes

patmac wrote: »

Same for Michelle Smith anyway you have your opinion, so I am leaving it at that. Back to the GAA and Olympics.

Nothing to do with any other case. And it's not my opinion. It's simple fact. Check it out on the WADA website if you want.

garv123

I really dont get this head to head cycling, coast around looking at each other barely moving for 2-3 laps and then flat out for the last half lap.

Rascasse

GB 2 breaks up in the tennis. Dream start.

GB 3-0 Belarus

Colmustard

YFlyer wrote: »

He is on again in the 1Km TT at 6:16. Surely the legs will be fatigued.

Yes but so will all the other riders, he seems fit but IMO he is not much of a tactician. But overall I think he is doing Ireland proud. It's great having a worthy Irish athlete in the velodrome. I think Ireland could do more in track cycling, we have a decent cycling tradition and cycling is a growing sport in Ireland, its something the Olympic committee should look into.

Pendelton has invisible rockets on that bike of hers. What an athlete.

Colmustard

garv123 wrote: »

I really dont get this head to head cycling, coast around looking at each other barely moving for 2-3 laps and then flat out for the last half lap.

I think its great, its all about the flat out burst of speed at the end, you want to be just behind your opponent so you can get into his slip stream and let him expend his energy. Then you burst past him. But you can't let him get to ahead.

YFlyer

Colmustard wrote: »

Yes but so will all the other riders, he seems fit but IMO he is not much of a tactician. But overall I think he is doing Ireland proud. It's great having a worthy Irish athlete in the velodrome. I think Ireland could do more in track cycling, we have a decent cycling tradition and cycling is a growing sport in Ireland, its something the Olympic committee should look into.

Pendelton has invisible rockets on that bike of hers. What an athlete.

Would the other countries have different riders for different events?

Edit: Ah ok, just listening now on rte. they get points for positions and they are added up.

Colmustard

YFlyer wrote: »

Would the other countries have different riders for different events?

No the same rider must compete in all 6 events.