London 2012 Megathread [Part 1]

Dr.Broccoli

Jelly2 wrote: »

You, me and a few others have been saying this through the thread. But some people don't like facts to get in the way of their vitriol.

Isn't a relaxant performance enhancing no? Or was it just because of the horse travelling? Surely if the horse was erratic and gave him the relaxant his performance would improve?

racso1975

Last time i "popped a floater" herself went mental

opinion guy

racso1975 wrote: »

Downtown is backkkkkkkkkk

If only there were medals for commentary!!!!

Rascasse

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I could be wrong, but didn't the authorities clear him and his vet of deliberately trying to enhance the horse's performance?
It's also kind of ironic that the Brazilian rider who inherited the gold from O'Connor in 2004 was disqualified from the 2008 Olympics for the same offence.

Yeah, from memory, if was stuff given to the horse to relax it. That could, I'd imagine, have an advantage if the horse is upset or nervous.

At the end of the day the drugs are on the banned list for a reason. If your horse tests positive you get the other sample tested and, if positive, you lose your medals. You then apologise to your supporters for letting them down and move on.

The whole stealing samples thing hints at something more sinister.

StephenHendry

is cian from meath or kildare lads

Colmustard

Originally Posted by Lord Trollington
It wasn't a performance enhancing drug and it was months before the olympics.

It was a relaxant to calm the horse.

But surely that will enhance the horses performance, especially in that sport. I heard Clair Balding say it was a class 1 banned substance.

PS Just asking I don't know much about the sport or horseys

the groutch

the B-Ball commentator sounds like a bit of a prick

jaykay74

MyBrokenKnees wrote: »

The walkers might have a chance at a medal as well fingers crossed

read that quickly as wankers and thought it a bit harsh

B0X

the groutch wrote: »

the B-Ball commentator sounds like a bit of a prick

No way! He's class, sounds really passionate about the sport.

Anyone

Commentary in the womens hockey....Holland score, commentator says "she's the best flicker in the world"...they all hug each other.....

Pornography has ruined me.....

Dr.Broccoli

the groutch wrote: »

the B-Ball commentator sounds like a bit of a prick

Yeah so annoying with his American twang. Why do RTE have commentators that big up everything. :mad:

"OH THAT'S A NICE PASS, WHAT A PASS" to a routinely good pass by a team.

Eathrin

Some real lookers in the hockey!

Meauldsegosha

leahyl wrote: »

That's what I mean - and from what I'm reading here the stuff Cians horse had been given wasn't even a banned substance was it? Might be wrong there. But Jessicas horse tested positive for a Class A banned substance for horses so it's a bit rich her getting on her 'high horse' (:P) about Cian.

I agree, he should be given another chance. It was fairly minor I feel and not intentional.

If it wasn't a banned substance why was his medal taken from him? Genuine question by the way, it doesn't make sense to me but I don't know anything about horse jumping.

Colmustard

Jelly2 wrote: »

As far as I remember, the muscle relaxant was given to the horse some time before the Olympics but traces of it were still in his blood.

I don't believe that, there are very few drugs that stay in the system that long. A month at the most.

phasers

Dr.Broccoli wrote: »

Yeah so annoying with his American twang. Why do RTE have commentators that big up everything. :mad:

"OH THAT'S A NICE PASS, WHAT A PASS" to a routinely good pass by a team.

The basketball commentator is a legend! He's clearly mad into it.

I'm sure you'd all prefer a total sourpuss commentating.
"The stupid prick passed the ball. Oh yes good for you Mr Athlete, you're just brilliant" *slow clap*

Jelly2

Colmustard wrote: »

I don't believe that, there are very few drugs that stay in the system that long. A month at the most.

I don't know exactly how long. But it's eight years ago now, and he was punished for the crime. Surely that's enough?

Pherekydes

Dr.Broccoli wrote: »

Yeah so annoying with his American twang. Why do RTE have commentators that big up everything. :mad:

"OH THAT'S A NICE PASS, WHAT A PASS" to a routinely good pass by a team.

Listening to him now. Of course RTE are showing a match that's over, while another QF is live. :rolleyes:

He sounds like he loves the sound of his own voice, which I find grating.

the groutch

phasers wrote: »

The basketball commentator is a legend! He's clearly mad into it.

I'm sure you'd all prefer a total sourpuss commentating.
"The stupid prick passed the ball. Oh yes good for you Mr Athlete, you're just brilliant" *slow clap*

he's one of those d4 types who just likes the sound of his own voice

I like commentators who know when to emphasise, not just shout the whole match.

opinion guy

the groutch wrote: »

the B-Ball commentator sounds like a bit of a prick

Dr.Broccoli wrote: »

Yeah so annoying with his American twang. Why do RTE have commentators that big up everything. :mad:

"OH THAT'S A NICE PASS, WHAT A PASS" to a routinely good pass by a team.

You 2 must be new here.
Round here we love Timmy Mac.
Get with the program

Fishooks12

Fair play to Cian, I see the begrudgers are out in force discussing an event that took place 8 years ago

Some nerve on the second run and only .22 off a jump off for gold

ThisRegard

the groutch wrote: »

he's one of those d4 types who just likes the sound of his own voice

That would be the D4 in Cork ?

Fishooks12

the groutch wrote: »

he's one of those d4 types who just likes the sound of his own voice

I like commentators who know when to emphasise, not just shout the whole match.

Christ, nothing in his accent is in anyway Dublin four like

I think he's good too, knows what he's on about, unlike Jimmy Magee

Colmustard

Jelly2 wrote: »

I don't know exactly how long. But it's eight years ago now, and he was punished for the crime. Surely that's enough?

NO
Not in my opinion if an athlete uses drugs to cheat I think it should be an automatic lifetime ban. END OFF,

buyer95

the groutch wrote: »

the B-Ball commentator sounds like a bit of a prick

I've been saying that all through the games, he has no NBA knowledge. He consistently misprounces players names, if I hear "Dee-awe" one more time I swear. Shows his lack of bball know-how when he called Borris Diaw a journeyman NBA player. He has been a nailed on starter in the NBA for most of his career, and in 08-09 averaged 16 points, 6 rebounds and 5 assists per game.
Just this past year he has seen solid minutes for San Antonio, an elite NBA team.
Its not "Pe-et-truce" either, I could go on..


Edit: BTW I'm referring to BBC commentary here, Timmy is the man

opinion guy

Colmustard wrote: »

NO
Not in my opinion if an athlete uses drugs to cheat I think it should be an automatic lifetime ban. END OFF,

so the horse should have been banned then :pac:

Dr.Broccoli

opinion guy wrote: »

You 2 must be new here.
Round here we love Timmy Mac.
Get with the program

He just almost burst a blood vessel because of a 3 pointer? It's not that outrageous?

I'd fear for his health if USA play Spain.

leahyl

Meauldsegosha wrote: »

If it wasn't a banned substance why was his medal taken from him? Genuine question by the way, it doesn't make sense to me but I don't know anything about horse jumping.

I must be wrong - I'm just going by what I read on this thread but just reading back on what I wrote that's obviously wrong cos like you said why would his medal have been taken?! I don't know - I think people were saying it was just a relaxant and that it had been given to the horse months before the olympics so maybe that's the argument - that he didn't intentionally do it so that the horse would do better at the games?? I don't know though really.

My main point was about Jessica Kurten really - hypocrisy at its finest as far as I can see.

Pherekydes

Colmustard wrote: »

NO
Not in my opinion if an athlete uses drugs to cheat I think it should be an automatic lifetime ban. END OFF,

Fortunately, the people in charge of sports administration are much more measured in their response.

Plus, how do you know he was attempting to cheat?

opinion guy

Dr.Broccoli wrote: »

He just almost burst a blood vessel because of a 3 pointer? It's not that outrageous?

I'd fear for his health if USA play Spain.

No my friend. That is awesome. That is why these games are worth watching

GerM

"He backed into him, he felt his body on him, he wanted his body on him and he dunked him".

If that isn't poetry, I don't know what is.

Colmustard

opinion guy wrote: »

so the horse should have been banned then :pac:

Dog fooded along with the rider.

Fishooks12

Colmustard wrote: »

NO
Not in my opinion if an athlete uses drugs to cheat I think it should be an automatic lifetime ban. END OFF,

You're so wrong. Cian didn't even know what he gave the horse was banned never mind purposefully trying to cheat , and it was in noway performance in enhancing drug, anyone who knows anything about horses will tell you that if anything, it would inhibited the animals performance

. Compare that to someone like Justin Gatland knowingly using performance enhancing drugs twice and your argument sounds a bit silly.

Maybe you should give a go at the showjumping since you towering above us all on your high horse

Oscars Well.

Eathrin wrote: »

Some real lookers in the hockey!

You inspired me to put it on and I'm not disappointed :P

Jelly2

Colmustard wrote: »

NO
Not in my opinion if an athlete uses drugs to cheat I think it should be an automatic lifetime ban. END OFF,

Crikey. Good thing I didn't cheat in my junior cert and get caught by you.:D

Colmustard

Pherekydes wrote: »

Fortunately, the people in charge of sports administration are much more measured in their response.

Plus, how do you know he was attempting to cheat?

No that is unfortunate, there should be a zero tolerance to drug cheats,

His horse was tested positive for a banned substance and he was stripped of his medal, stripping an athlete of a medal is a rare event in the Olympics, they don't do that unless there is cause.

racso1975

Sliced diced and dunked......the red army opens up.......L E G E N D

Jelly2

leahyl wrote: »

I must be wrong - I'm just going by what I read on this thread but just reading back on what I wrote that's obviously wrong cos like you said why would his medal have been taken?! I don't know - I think people were saying it was just a relaxant and that it had been given to the horse months before the olympics so maybe that's the argument - that he didn't intentionally do it so that the horse would do better at the games?? I don't know though really.

My main point was about Jessica Kurten really - hypocrisy at its finest as far as I can see.

It was a relaxant, but it was prohibited. So that is why he was stripped of his medal. But it was used medically before the games, and was not one of the drugs listed as banned because they are performance-enhancing. Some drugs do not enhance performance, but they might be used to relax muscles in the back if there was an strain there, for example (to help healing).

WumBuster

Who's that loudmouth commentating, sounds like Gerald kean

Dangerous Man

Any chance of a synopsis of the previous 206 pages? A good one. I don't really fancy reading through it all. What's been going on?

Dr.Broccoli

Colmustard wrote: »

No that is unfortunate, there should be a zero tolerance to drug cheats,

His horse was tested positive for a banned substance and he was stripped of his medal, stripping an athlete of a medal is a rare event in the Olympics, they don't do that unless there is cause.

Yeah there's not enough stripping at these olympics.

Fishooks12

Colmustard wrote: »

No that is unfortunate, there should be a zero tolerance to drug cheats,

His horse was tested positive for a banned substance and he was stripped of his medal, stripping an athlete of a medal is a rare event in the Olympics, they don't do that unless there is cause.

Like the judo guy who was thrown out for eating a brownie full of weed

Some cheat he was, a clever plan to get so hungry he'd actually want to eat the opponent

Hammer Archer

Colmustard wrote: »

No that is unfortunate, there should be a zero tolerance to drug cheats,

His horse was tested positive for a banned substance and he was stripped of his medal, stripping an athlete of a medal is a rare event in the Olympics, they don't do that unless there is cause.

As I said before, he was cleared of cheating. His horse did test positive for a banned substance, but both himself and his vet were cleared of any deliberate wrongdoing.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0327/oconnorc.html

catchup

Min wrote: »

A rower from Coleraine won a medal for the Great Britain.

I sometimes think they are confused that NI is not in Britain....

3 rowers from Coleraine won medals. The 2 Chambers brothers won Silver in the lightweight fours and Alan Campbell won a Bronze in the single sculls. The Chambers rowed for Ireland as juniors but declared for GB when they went senior.

Dr.Broccoli

racso1975 wrote: »

Sliced diced and dunked......the red army opens up.......L E G E N D

Ahhh I get it now. He's the Bill and Giles of basketball, hasn't a clue about the sport but he's liked for that fact.

opinion guy

Dangerous Man wrote: »

Any chance of a synopsis of the previous 206 pages? A good one. I don't really fancy reading through it all. What's been going on?

BOOOOOOMMMMMMM.....DOWNTOWN!!!!!!!!!!

Kate Taylor won

Some doper came third

Jame Gumb

The rules are there for a reason...one error shouldn't necessarily ruin someone's career or life.

If a guy is stripped of a medal and (say) has to serve a ban and "does his time", then he's entitled to compete and win. Congrats to Cian O'Connor re the medal.

And congrats re the hot sister (Pippa) and the hot ex (Irish bird "Something Wyse" from Sky Sports News). Hard luck re having Brian Ormonde as a brother in law though...

Mod: Banned

el diablo

the groutch wrote: »

he's one of those d4 types who just likes the sound of his own voice

I like commentators who know when to emphasise, not just shout the whole match.

There's nothing D4 about that accent. it's a mixture of bog and something else.

Fishooks12

Hammer Archer wrote: »

As I said before, he was cleared of cheating. His horse did test positive for a banned substance, but both himself and his vet were cleared of any deliberate wrongdoing.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0327/oconnorc.html

What are you doing? This guy can't see facts and truths from atop his mighty high horse

Colmustard

Fishooks12 wrote: »

You're so wrong. Cian didn't even know what he gave the horse was banned never mind purposefully trying to cheat , and it was in noway performance in enhancing drug, anyone who knows anything about horses will tell you that if anything, it would inhibited the animals performance

. Compare that to someone like Justin Gatland knowingly using performance enhancing drugs twice and your argument sounds a bit silly.

Maybe you should give a go at the showjumping since you towering above us all on your high horse

If that was his defence, I need to be convinced and I imagine a relaxed horse would be easier to handle in an event like that, if not why is it a banned substance.

Justin Gatlin IMO should get a lifetime ban

As for me even sitting on a horse I would want a relaxant.

Pherekydes

Colmustard wrote: »

No that is unfortunate, there should be a zero tolerance to drug cheats,

His horse was tested positive for a banned substance and he was stripped of his medal, stripping an athlete of a medal is a rare event in the Olympics, they don't do that unless there is cause.

In case you didn't see my question: how do you prove cheating?

Plus, do you know there are certain classes of drug which will lead you to be DQed from the competition in question, but not banned. There is never any question of cheating.