Man convicted of "child porn" after viewing *animated cartoons*

Gongoozler

Gummy Panda wrote:

How they're depicted is important. It's the same in the UK. A guy got done for having some video of an Asian American pornstar called kitty. He proved she was legal age but judge ruled it was intent based on her being depicted as a minor.

If that's the case, then half the porn on the internet is child porn - all the categories they have for young looking girls.

Tombi!

Millicent wrote: »

Still a horrible thing to happen. I hope you're dealing with it okay now.

And do give it a read. It makes you think that line between the two is not as clear cut as one might think.

Heh, the day I let someone like one bad day get me down is the day I give up on life

But I am about halfway through it. It's so weird to see someone like that. I never got the "cured" aspect of it.
I always viewed is as something that can't be helped. But, then again, depending if there is a reason (as the man in the article had one) to what the cause was, it could be potentially cured. Sometimes though, I just think people have weird attractions and if they can keep themselves under control, well done, they should live in peace.

Millicent

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Heh, the day I let someone like one bad day get me down is the day I give up on life

But I am about halfway through it. It's so weird to see someone like that. I never got the "cured" aspect of it.
I always viewed is as something that can't be helped. But, then again, depending if there is a reason (as the man in the article had one) to what the cause was, it could be potentially cured. Sometimes though, I just think people have weird attractions and if they can keep themselves under control, well done, they should live in peace.

According to that article, almost every paedophile has been abused themselves. Makes sense when you read his account of his childhood, how a mind could get warped like that.

CrazyRabbit

I am a child killer.

I say this, because a few years ago I recall drawing a crude & humourous cartoon which depicted a child being killed.

I am truly remorseful & I hope that the friends and family of this poor innocent fictional child can forgive me someday.

Tombi!

Millicent wrote: »

According to that article, almost every paedophile has been abused themselves. Makes sense when you read his account of his childhood, how a mind could get warped like that.

Maybe it is a thing of repressed memories with say 99% of them.

Because when you think about it, you're not exactly going to sit down and say "hey, remember how I used to abuse you as a child" and human mind does have the power to permantely block memories for most people.

So the article could be right. Which if it is is really amazing.

PrincessLola

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Maybe it is a thing of repressed memories with say 99% of them.

Because when you think about it, you're not exactly going to sit down and say "hey, remember how I used to abuse you as a child" and human mind does have the power to permantely block memories for most people.

So the article could be right. Which if it is is really amazing.

I've also heard that they can get into child porn as a way of acting out what happened to them as a child, to try and make sense of it psychologically.
(I know this sounds like I'm siding with them, I'm not, but I think people should get help instead of being left to rot)

Logical_Bear

While the person isnt very nice that got done(check his previous conviction)but if you are gonna charge somebody for looking at animated porn well you may as well charge me with murder.

I play Call of Duty and regulary stab people to death,shoot them with sub-machine guns(silenced I might add so thats possibly why I have never been charged)and gleefully leave claymores randomly placed to do the max damage to passers by...

Millicent

PrincessLola wrote: »

I've also heard that they can get into child porn as a way of acting out what happened to them as a child, to try and make sense of it psychologically.
(I know this sounds like I'm siding with them, I'm not, but I think people should get help instead of being left to rot)

It doesn't sound like you're siding with them but trying to understand them as human beings and that's really important. It definitely could be that they are trying to act out past abuse to them through videos or that they are repeating those same patterns again.

blacklilly

The issue here is the fact this man was previously convicted of rape and therefore his actions were being watched as he was considered a threat to minors.
Thankfully no child was hurt but the whole notion that this type of porn is available is sickning. Depicting child like cartoon bodies in a sexual manner is in a way trying to normalise child sexual abuse. It is catering for people who have urges to sexually abuse a child. I understand it is a grey area however in my opinion the people who make this type of cartoon porn and the people who watch it are sick.
If I was in a relationship with someone who viewed this well I'd feel sick and would dump them on the spot

Tombi!

PrincessLola wrote: »

I've also heard that they can get into child porn as a way of acting out what happened to them as a child, to try and make sense of it psychologically.
(I know this sounds like I'm siding with them, I'm not, but I think people should get help instead of being left to rot)

Yes that too is possible.

I suppose this is why people often identify as a "boy lover" or "girl lover".

Usually speaking if they're not complete monsters, they don't see children harmed and just had certain type they like. Like in the article Milly gave me, the man there enjoyed boys that hadn't reached puberty and it was explained why.

Interesting isn't it how the most disturbing of topics can be discussed so calmly and civilly in AH

blacklilly wrote: »

The issue here is the fact this man was previously convicted of rape and therefore his actions were being watched as he was considered a threat to minors.
Thankfully no child was hurt but the whole notion that this type of porn is available is sickning. Depicting child like cartoon bodies in a sexual manner is in a way trying to normalise child sexual abuse. It is catering for people who have urges to sexually abuse a child. I understand it is a grey area however in my opinion the people who make this type of cartoon porn and the people who watch it are sick.
If I was in a relationship with someone who viewed this well I'd feel sick and would dump them on the spot

Do you feel that someone who watches a woman (or man) tied up and gagged while being "abused" is going to act out those fantasies on real people?

What about things that show an innocent schoolgirl being seduced by a teacher? I'm in my 20s, does that mean that I want to be a teacher and seduce schoolgirls?

blacklilly

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

blacklilly wrote: »

The issue here is the fact this man was previously convicted of rape and therefore his actions were being watched as he was considered a threat to minors.
Thankfully no child was hurt but the whole notion that this type of porn is available is sickning. Depicting child like cartoon bodies in a sexual manner is in a way trying to normalise child sexual abuse. It is catering for people who have urges to sexually abuse a child. I understand it is a grey area however in my opinion the people who make this type of cartoon porn and the people who watch it are sick.
If I was in a relationship with someone who viewed this well I'd feel sick and would dump them on the spot

Do you feel that someone who watches a woman (or man) tied up and gagged while being "abused" is going to act out those fantasies on real people?

What about things that show an innocent schoolgirl being seduced by a teacher? I'm in my 20s, does that mean that I want to be a teacher and seduce schoolgirls?

Two completely different things! Would you not consider someone who has a fantasy of having sex with a child as sick? The porn you mention above involves adults. In the case of the school girl porn it is somewhat similar to boss and secretary type stuff. The women in these clips usually have adult bodies although they may have a young face
I'm not against porn, I watch it myself but anything that depicts a child in a sexual manner is wrong and I'm sure the vast majority would agree.

Tombi!

blacklilly wrote: »

Two completely different things! Would you not consider someone who has a fantasy of having sex with a child as sick? The porn you mention above involves adults. In the case of the school girl porn it is somewhat similar to boss and secretary type stuff. The women in these clips usually have adult bodies although they may have a young face
I'm not against porn, I watch it myself but anything that depicts a child in a sexual manner is wrong and I'm sure the vast majority would agree.

Okay to me it's the same thing. Fantasies are fantasies.
Milly posted a link to an article in this topic, take a look at it.

I don't see a difference to me. And I don't think they want to have sex with children. I just think they're messed up individuals, TBH.

Millicent

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I just think they're messed up individuals, TBH.

See this I most strongly agree with. I think paedophiles are ****ed up people who need help. I don't excuse their behaviour and am intimately aware of the damage that paedophilia and child molestation can wreak but demonising paedophiles does no one any favours--not society, not at risk children and not the paedophiles themselves. It also places them into a category of scary "other" which allows people who may know a paedophile to brush off their behaviour since it's not consistent with the stereotypical image they have of one.

Tombi!

Millicent wrote: »

See this I most strongly agree with. I think paedophiles are ****ed up people who need help. I don't excuse their behaviour and am intimately aware of the damage that paedophilia and child molestation can wreak but demonising paedophiles does no one any favours--not society, not at risk children and not the paedophiles themselves. It also places them into a category of scary "other" which allows people who may know a paedophile to brush off their behaviour since it's not consistent with the stereotypical image they have of one.

What does pain me most is that in my experience as to what happened with me, I never knew the man who did it (it was a stranger) and honestly, I would give the world to know if I met him one day he would be cured and could be let around kids.

The whole "get them away from me and lock them up forever" helps nobody. It reminds me of one time when I was about 7 years old (back in the mid/early 90s) and someone said "oh no, don't leave him (me) with that man, he's gay! He can't be trusted with kids what if he tries something) and I was 7 years old but to this day that comment always stands out as "WTF is wrong with you". We learned being gay is considered acceptable now.

I'm not condoning child abuse but if we can learn more about what makes these people like this we can put a stop to it early on and have them rejoin the world as normal people.

Millicent

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

What does pain me most is that in my experience as to what happened with me, I never knew the man who did it (it was a stranger) and honestly, I would give the world to know if I met him one day he would be cured and could be let around kids.

The whole "get them away from me and lock them up forever" helps nobody. It reminds me of one time when I was about 7 years old (back in the mid/early 90s) and someone said "oh no, don't leave him (me) with that man, he's gay! He can't be trusted with kids what if he tries something) and I was 7 years old but to this day that comment always stands out as "WTF is wrong with you". We learned being gay is considered acceptable now.

I'm not condoning child abuse but if we can learn more about what makes these people like this we can put a stop to it early on and have them rejoin the world as normal people.

I agree wholeheartedly. And that's as a former victim of abuse who knew her abuser. Weirdly, if I had have known that he was "sick" and needed help, I would have been more likely to tell someone.

blacklilly

Yes they are messed up individuals but that doesn't excuse their actions (I know you're not saying it does) . The sad thing about child abusers is that they are very likely to re offend. I also don't believe they should be hidden but in saying that from interviews I have read many of them claim it is a constant battle to avoid abusing and I have not read an interview where an abuser could say that there was no chance of them abusing again. That does not mean that every abuser continues to abuse but there is a possibility that they will.
sadly as others have mentioned many abusers have themselves been abused. This does not excuse their actions though.
Also I wonder if this thread was about a priest would the posters be so calm in their discussions

Tombi!

blacklilly wrote: »

Yes they are messed up individuals but that doesn't excuse their actions (I know you're not saying it does) . The sad thing about child abusers is that they are very likely to re offend. I also don't believe they should be hidden but in saying that from interviews I have read many of them claim it is a constant battle to avoid abusing and I have not read an interview where an abuser could say that there was no chance of them abusing again. That does not mean that every abuser continues to abuse but there is a possibility that they will.
sadly as others have mentioned many abusers have themselves been abused. This does not excuse their actions though.
Also I wonder if this thread was about a priest would the posters be so calm in their discussions

How does one manage to measure the fact that they'll likely re-offend?
I would still be calm regardless of who it is. I don't care what job they have or what their status is. I firmly believe they need help and if I did meet the man who raped me as a kid I would glady talk to them and treat them as a victim because I think they are one. I don't think he said "today I'll rape a kid". I think it was his urges got the better of him. Maybe the guy never got help (because it's one of the most taboo topics in the world). If there were more help to help them, there would be less abuse.

To me, they're messed up and need help. To many millions of others they're messed up and should be shot.

Millicent

blacklilly wrote: »

Yes they are messed up individuals but that doesn't excuse their actions (I know you're not saying it does) . The sad thing about child abusers is that they are very likely to re offend. I also don't believe they should be hidden but in saying that from interviews I have read many of them claim it is a constant battle to avoid abusing and I have not read an interview where an abuser could say that there was no chance of them abusing again. That does not mean that every abuser continues to abuse but there is a possibility that they will.
sadly as others have mentioned many abusers have themselves been abused. This does not excuse their actions though.
Also I wonder if this thread was about a priest would the posters be so calm in their discussions

I would, especially after the Fr. Kevin Reynolds kerfuffle on Primetime.

I think it's not an area that's studied well enough, to be honest, partly because of the rush to paint abusers as monsters (not saying you did by the way). Yes, they are wrong in their actions, but the factors that lead to them abusing are worth examining again and again and again until we as a society can learn how to prevent abusing from happening and indeed happening again.

Part of the re-offence, I believe, comes from the fact that once a paedophile is identified, their life is more or less over. Forget having a normal job, a normal life or healthy relationships with others your own age -- you are branded for life.

Sindri

Does this mean viewing some of the works of Gauguin is now illegal?

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Being "cured" of liking kids is like being cured of being gay, it's impossible.

It can be cured, so can homosexuality, but homosexuality is an innate trait. Pedophilia is a paraphilia, and it most certainly can be "cured" because it is not an innate sexual trait, it is a developed sexual predilection.

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Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Do you feel that someone who watches a woman (or man) tied up and gagged while being "abused" is going to act out those fantasies on real people?

Maybe not, but somebody who watches a woman (or man) tied up and gagged while being abused would probably wish to and maybe eventually even would.

Having been there myself and knowing others who were and knowing the man who abused us to a greater or lesser extent I would not say that he was sick and needed help but that he needed shooting. Yes, I'm one of those. I doubt that he ever held back on his urges and I doubt that any form of therapy would have stopped him.

So many child abusers say that what they feel is natural. That they love children and showing that love physically is a natural extension of what they feel. How do you convince people like that that what they feel is wrong and can they really suppress those feelings if you do convince them? Can you change them anymore than you can 'ungay' a person like they try to do in the States and many other countries.

Tombi!

Sindri wrote: »

Does this mean viewing some of the works of Gauguin is now illegal?

It can be cured, so can homosexuality, but homosexuality is an innate trait. Pedophilia is a paraphilia, and it most certainly can be "cured" because it is not an innate sexual trait, it is a developed sexual predilection.

Yes and I've informed the cops

By paraphilia, you mean like a foot fetish or liking chubby people, it's just a "thing" you like?

smellslikeshoes

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

If you knew they were overage I don't think there is a legal issue or surely then genre of schoolgirl porn would be child porn.

The way the law is if they are depicted as being underage eg. schoolgirl it's actually illegal. Ridiculous situation really. Obviously they are not going to go round putting people in prison because they have viewed 18+ women dressed as schoolgirls because they would be putting away half the country but they technically could.

PrincessLola

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

The way the law is if they are depicted as being underage eg. schoolgirl it's actually illegal. Ridiculous situation really.

Schoolgirl is illegal?
But I was over 17 years old (i.e of legal age) for my last two years of school, so that doesn't even make sense.

woodoo

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

That's the exact thing that happened to the poor guy in the OP.

He is not a poor guy he is a convicted child rapist.

Tombi!

up for anything wrote: »

So many child abusers say that what they feel is natural. That they love children and showing that love physically is a natural extension of what they feel. How do you convince people like that that what they feel is wrong and can they really suppress those feelings if you do convince them? Can you change them anymore than you can 'ungay' a person like they try to do in the States and many other countries.

Okay, some people feel differently.
The point of a person being "abused" is that it's fake. They're doing it for fun. (video wise in porn I meant, not anything in reality).
You clearly are upset about what happened. Some people deal with it differently. I told one person when I was a child and she taught me that not everyone can help themselves.

Now, as for what you're talking a bout is "boy/girl lovers". They usually enjoy the "innocence" of kids. Clearly though, a lot of child molesters (which is very different) use it as as excuse to feel victimized.

Personally I can sympathize with two of the three (IMO) of people attracted to kids: the ones that can't help themselves and want help, the ones that think it's okay if they don't touch or harm children (directly or indirectly so if you take photos of kids in swimwear to satisfiy yourself, you aren't getting my sympathy).
The ones I have little to no sympathy is the type that is actually malicious and wants to hurt kids. I have no sympathy for someone that abuses a person to enjoy it sexually.

woodoo wrote: »

He is not a poor guy he is a convicted child rapist.

Do read all the posts first, please. I misread that part. And I also stand by what he said, he was trying to fix his problem. I still think it's over-the-top what happened to him.

hatrickpatrick

To all those saying the sentence is justified because he was convicted, if I get convicted of a bank heist tomorrow should I subsequently be arrested for watching Ocean's 11 or the Italian Job? Both are entirely fictional depictions of heists which never actually happened to any actual human beings.

Dubhlinner

good to see a convicted rapist who got a pitiful sentence put back in jail.

for a ridiculous reason though. child porn laws should be to protect actual children nothing else.

Millicent

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

To all those saying the sentence is justified because he was convicted, if I get convicted of a bank heist tomorrow should I subsequently be arrested for watching Ocean's 11 or the Italian Job? Both are entirely fictional depictions of heists which never actually happened to any actual human beings.

If you were watching a "how to", I think the comparison might be more accurate. Ocean's 11 or the Italian Job have a plot and a narrative structure; "3D incest" videos do not.

hatrickpatrick

blacklilly wrote: »

Also I wonder if this thread was about a priest would the posters be so calm in their discussions

If they were fictional cartoons? Absolutely. I cannot see any justifiable way of calling it a crime, unless we are now prosecuting thoughts and fantasies.

Tombi!

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

To all those saying the sentence is justified because he was convicted, if I get convicted of a bank heist tomorrow should I subsequently be arrested for watching Ocean's 11 or the Italian Job? Both are entirely fictional depictions of heists which never actually happened to any actual human beings.

The problem is that a lot of people don't understand the difference between fake porn and reality.

Not to mention the important thing is that the law does consider drawn images to be just as dangerous as the real thing. So the judge honestly had little choice.

hatrickpatrick

Millicent wrote: »

If you were watching a "how to", I think the comparison might be more accurate. Ocean's 11 or the Italian Job have a plot and a narrative structure; "3D incest" videos do not.

How do you know they have no plot, have you ever watched one? A lot of normal porn has a plot after all, usually a boring and crappy one but a plot nonetheless :P

How is a cartoon a "how to"?

Here's another one for you: If someone is convicted of molesting an adult should they be banned from looking at hentai of adults?

It's still thought crime one way or another...

blacklilly

Brutal its great that you have such empathy for your abuser but that is not common. Luckily I was never sexually abused but a very close family member was and the destruction it caused her is unforgivable imo.
Some men beat the crap out of their wives because it is learned behaviour from their child hood, I still can't really empathise with this.
We all have some baggage, some more so than others and people can use excuses for their actions all they want but it does not deflect from the seriousness of their actions.
You are lucky that you seem to have coped well based on your experience but for many being sexually abused as a child has a devastating effect on their lives.

hatrickpatrick

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

The problem is that a lot of people don't understand the difference between fake porn and reality.

Same could be said about "BDSM" porn then, should that be banned just in case someone acts it out?

Not to mention the important thing is that the law does consider drawn images to be just as dangerous as the real thing. So the judge honestly had little choice.

I'm not arguing about the judge, I'm arguing about how effing stupid such a law is.
And I'm probably coming across in this thread as someone who has some sort of hidden deviant agenda :P I don't, I just absolutely cannot abide this kind of law which criminalizes moral issues rather than protecting actual human beings.

blacklilly

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

blacklilly wrote: »

Also I wonder if this thread was about am priest would the posters be so calm in their discussions

If they were fictional cartoons? Absolutely. I cannot see any justifiable way of calling it a crime, unless we are now prosecuting thoughts and fantasies.

I am not saying it is a crime, there is no statute in law governing this so therefore it cannot be technically considered a crime.
In saying that, if your partner was getting off watching this type of porn, how would you feel?

Tombi!

blacklilly wrote: »

Brutal its great that you have such empathy for your abuser but that is not common. Luckily I was never sexually abused but a very close family member was and the destruction it caused her is unforgivable imo.
Some men beat the crap out of their wives because it is learned behaviour from their child hood, I still can't really empathise with this.
We all have some baggage, some more so than others and people can use excuses for their actions all they want but it does not deflect from the seriousness of their actions.
You are lucky that you seem to have coped well based on your experience but for many being sexually abused as a child has a devastating effect on their lives.

I think you're missing the point. Just because I say "forgive and get help" or you say "shoot them" it doesn't matter.
What does matter is that they should be given support. At the very least they should be studied to find out what the heck is wrong with them so to prevent it happening with other people.

That's what I want. My personal experience wouldn't affect that. Anything that someone cannot control (I fully believe there are some abusers out there who do deserve to be locked up forever) certain things should get help.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Same could be said about "BDSM" porn then, should that be banned just in case someone acts it out?

I'm not arguing about the judge, I'm arguing about how effing stupid such a law is.
And I'm probably coming across in this thread as someone who has some sort of hidden deviant agenda I don't, I just absolutely cannot abide this kind of law which criminalizes moral issues rather than protecting actual human beings.

That's what it could come down to. BDSM could be seen as abusive. I think there was a law in Austrialia pased to ban women with boobs small than an A cup in porn because it might encourage child abuse.

But this is how the tide is turning. the PC brigade is in ful motion this time around.

And I know you have a hidden agenda but no, I will not tell you what areas the gardaí look for people like you in :P

Millicent

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

How do you know they have no plot, have you ever watched one? A lot of normal porn has a plot after all, usually a boring and crappy one but a plot nonetheless :P

How is a cartoon a "how to"?

Here's another one for you: If someone is convicted of molesting an adult should they be banned from looking at hentai of adults?

It's still thought crime one way or another...

"I'm here to fix your pipes" is not a plot! :pac:

I don't mean it's necessarily instructional but it can't be argued that there is any other motivation to watch it besides a sexual one.

And if someone is convicted of rape and is being monitored for it, they should absolutely be avoiding any viewing or reading material which has rape materials in it purely for the sake of titillation. This view is in light of the law as it stands now. It should be the same rule for offenders whether they sexually assault an adult or a child.

The legal system is not blameless or innocent in the matter. If rehabilitation is not encouraged, it is not surprising that some would stray back into their area of offence, even if it is a cartoon. They know that watching that cartoon could get them into trouble however. By knowingly downloading and viewing themselves, they have to face the consequences of the current laws.

PrincessLola

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I think there was a law in Austrialia pased to ban women with boobs small than an A cup in porn because it might encourage child abuse.

Oh Australia, what is wrong with you?

Gummy Panda

PrincessLola wrote: »

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I think there was a law in Austrialia pased to ban women with boobs small than an A cup in porn because it might encourage child abuse.

Oh Australia, what is wrong with you?

In all fairness, I think that's more a consumer issue so the customer gets his money's worth lol

Tombi!

Gummy Panda wrote: »

In all fairness, I think that's more a consumer issue so the customer gets his money's worth lol

I kinda liked the petite women

I'm going to jail for liking women if they have a cups.

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Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Okay, some people feel differently.
The point of a person being "abused" is that it's fake. They're doing it for fun. (video wise in porn I meant, not anything in reality).
You clearly are upset about what happened. Some people deal with it differently. I told one person when I was a child and she taught me that not everyone can help themselves.

I am upset about what happened even though it was minimal thanks to my innate sense that it was wrong and that I should get the fuck out of there and never allow myself to be put in the position of being alone with him. For others it wasn't so easy. I am upset that an adult was able to take advantage of so many children. I am upset that people could or would even want to try to rationalise or excuse it in any way.

I find it strange that you say your were taught that not everyone can help themselves. Is that even to the point of people not being able to stop themselves from behaving in a way injurious to others? That is a get out clause for so many things. "I couldn't help myself raping that 4 month old baby. It's a mental illness which wasn't exacerbated by watching a cartoon depiction of the same act."

token101

This is a bit ridiculous. There's probably plenty of gamers salivating (and maybe more) over the release of GTA 5; a game where you can murder anyone with pretty much any kind of weapon you like! If they did happen to get carried away with the excitement, are they committing a crime now as well? Daft!

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token101 wrote: »

This is a bit ridiculous. There's probably plenty of gamers salivating (and maybe more) over the release of GTA 5; a game where you can murder anyone with pretty much any kind of weapon you like! If they did happen to get carried away with the excitement, are they committing a crime now as well? Daft!

It depends on what you mean by getting carried away with the excitement?

Tombi!

up for anything wrote: »

I am upset about what happened even though it was minimal thanks to my innate sense that it was wrong and that I should get the fuck out of there and never allow myself to be put in the position of being alone with him. For others it wasn't so easy. I am upset that an adult was able to take advantage of so many children. I am upset that people could or would even want to try to rationalise or excuse it in any way.

I find it strange that you say your were taught that not everyone can help themselves. Is that even to the point of people not being able to stop themselves from behaving in a way injurious to others? That is a get out clause for so many things. "I couldn't help myself raping that 4 month old baby. It's a mental illness which wasn't exacerbated by watching a cartoon depiction of the same act."

You're not listening to me. I'm not saying it's an excuse to do what you want. I'm saying it's excuse and it should be listened to and dealt with.

If someone is mentally unstable and rapes a child, we shouldn't say "shoot them and forget it" we should say "lock them up, find out why they did it and try to prevent others from doing the same with the information we got from the psychologists".

The attitude of child molestors that say "I can't help it" is true. Sometimes they can't help it. But normal people can. You shouldn't have to give up on a person. Some people are complete scum and show no remorse. Don't give those ones a second chance.

Some honestly just can't help it and deserved to be help.

token101

up for anything wrote: »

It depends on what you mean by getting carried away with the excitement?

What do you think I mean? :pac:

It's a ridiculous case. It's thought crime. This are computer generated images, there's no victims here.

Tombi!

token101 wrote: »

What do you think I mean? :pac:

It's a ridiculous case. It's thought crime. This are computer generated images, there's no victims here.

Alright so long as I'm not the only one who laughed when I killed a cop with a large pink sex toy, I'm okay.

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token101 wrote: »

What do you think I mean? :pac:

It's a ridiculous case. It's thought crime. This are computer generated images, there's no victims here.

Ah ok. I took it up as them getting carried away by the excitement and going out and emulating screen behaviour.

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Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

You're not listening to me. I'm not saying it's an excuse to do what you want. I'm saying it's excuse and it should be listened to and dealt with.

If someone is mentally unstable and rapes a child, we shouldn't say "shoot them and forget it" we should say "lock them up, find out why they did it and try to prevent others from doing the same with the information we got from the psychologists".

The attitude of child molestors that say "I can't help it" is true. Sometimes they can't help it. But normal people can. You shouldn't have to give up on a person. Some people are complete scum and show no remorse. Don't give those ones a second chance.

Some honestly just can't help it and deserved to be help.

Yes, teacher.

For me anyone who just can't help themselves hurting and abusing a child are deserving of very little help and there seems to be very little help that could be given anyway.

From Encyclopedia of Mental Disorders

iThe prognosis of successfully ending pedophilic habits among persons who practice pedophilia is not favorable. Pedophiles have a high rate of recidivism; that is, they tend to repeat their acts often over time.

The rate of prosecution for pedophiles through the criminal justice system has increased in recent years. Pedophiles are at high risk of being beaten or killed by other prison inmates. For this reason, they must often be kept isolated from other members of a prison population. Knowledge of the likelihood of abuse by prison personnel and inmates is not, however, an effective deterrent for most pedophiles.

That is from the first link I pulled up on the subject to read about paraphilia when it was mentioned earlier on the thread.

Tombi!

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For me anyone who just can't help themselves hurting and abusing a child are deserving of very little help and there seems to be very little help that could be given anyway.


That is from the first link I pulled up on the subject to read about paraphilia when it was mentioned earlier on the thread.

Okay, fine. That's you! I'm sure millions would agree. But we're just going to go back and forward on this. So I get exactly where you're coming from. I feel the same way about someone who touches someone when they're unconcious from drinking too much. They're monsters and should be shot, beaten and left in the town square for mob justice to take care of it.

That's how you feel about child molestors.

But here's the thing, we still don't know enough about it as humans. Honestly, there could be just a simple thing we could do to stop it. But the attitude of locking them up and letting them rot doesn't help anyone.
It doesn't help the victims, it doesn't help the future victims of other child molestors and it doesn't help potential molestors in the future. It just tries to ignore a problem that clearly does not need to be ignored.

Richard Hillman

Whilst agreeing with what most posters on here have said about the law being a bit silly and we would rather paedos got their kicks out of animated stuff than the real thing. You would also have to look at the scenario of a change in the law. Could you imagine the **** storm that would take place if the government ammended the law to allow such stuff. The opposition would have a field day and the media will go into overdrive. Joe Duffy would explode.

BeerWolf

Soon, killing in video games is liable of murdering someone!